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kreb Cubu kushm4sta, Kreb, JacobStrangelove, Xatalos, Stutters695, drazak, KillingTime, WeeTee Stutters695 Sonic Death Monkey, thrawn2112 WeeTee kville drazak I'm gonna be looking closely at the people who voted for cubu, with special emphasis on their motives and explanations for doing so. | ||
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On September 04 2012 10:37 kitaman27 wrote: imcasey has replaced WeeTee. Everyone say hi! Hi imcasey and welcome to Arlen. We may not have all those fancy city "disco clubs" or high tech "theme parks", but you'll find that our town members are God-fearing productive citizens who understand the importance of a well kept lawn. You should go find the chairman of your neighborhood block charter to get started. | ||
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On September 04 2012 10:39 kushm4sta wrote: I dont know dude... he seemed like such a better lynch than everyone else to me. Hi new guy! Well for example, you were very outspoken and probably wrote the most about why he should be lynched. That makes me think your motivations were genuine. Of course I'm going to go through your filter when I look at everyone else's but I think your vote for cubu was townish. My first goal is to try and figure out if there was anyone who voted for cubu who: -had scummy posting/behavior outside of their cubu vote -didn't seem at all genuine or invested in their cubu vote | ||
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On September 04 2012 17:00 KillingTime wrote: Sorry I thought we are not meant to discuss things until after the night post or did I misunderstand? and this just means we can't start voting again until after the night post? No we can talk during the night. That quote is referring to a hypothetical scenario where the host is unable to make the night post on time. night post = lynch results | ||
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On September 04 2012 16:26 Sonic Death Monkey wrote: You're saying we're focus too little on motives? The motive of flying under the radar is to just sit back while the town starts flinging poo on eachother. I'm still not sure what your motive of making generic posts was. Maybe someone who followed XXIV can chime in? Thrawn, it seems like you were playing that game? I'm not exactly sure what you want me to chime in on but I'll talk about scumhunting priorities that you and stutters seem to be arguing about. In XXIV, there was a massive shit-flinging fight between shady and I. There were people who thought shady was being completely illogical, and there were people who though I was being completely illogical. The vote was closely split between shady and I and shady ended up getting lynched. But the people who voted for either of us voted on the premise that illogical posting = scum. There weren't any good scum-motive explanations for either shady or my actions and the votes were completely based on "well this guy says dumb stuff." Then D2 I got lynched and flipped vigilante, and once again nobody was voting based off scum-motive suspicions. The case against me was that my vig claim was unbelievable, and there was an association case against me because another player and I had made extremely similar posts at the exact same time which made people think that we were in conversation with each other as scum. Meanwhile there was a player who had been saying extremely illogical stuff, but most people gave him a town read because they thought there'd be no way that a scum would be so illogical. His actual actions/votes were so extremely scummy throughout the whole game. However, people ignored that because they were spending too much time trying to make reads based on the quality of his posts, when instead they should have been looking at his motives behind the posts. The point is motives>quality of posts in terms of importance to making reads. That was the reason I favored lynching stutters over cubu. They both were heavy lurkers without much actual contribution in the few posts they had made. The people who voted for cubu did it because the quality (reasoning, writing style, and relevance to the thread) of stutter's posts was much higher than cubu's. So in their eyes, having low quality posts (see my earlier definition of quality) makes you look scummy. I didn't think that was a good assumption to make, and I preferred voting stutters because stutters had done less scumhunting than cubu. At the time of deciding between the two, the only scumhunting stutters had done was the very last paragraph of this post. Cubu of course hadn't done as much scumhunting as most poeple, but his contributions towards finding scum were more than what stutters gave. It was a vote based on motives instead of quality... somebody who doesn't scumhunt (ask questions, state what you find scummy, accuse people with FOS and such) is not a town player. | ||
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On September 04 2012 22:53 drazak wrote: I don't think I'm going to try and make any reads until we see who mafia kills. I think Stutters and Kville are both good options at the moment, and I'd really still like to see kville go because he made almost no contributions. Regarding lynching Cubu, it wasn't due to how his posts looked, I could care less. I felt the content of his posts was lacking and poorly thought out. A lot of my posts will have and have had poor formatting. You "could care less" how his posts looked yet you voted for him because you "felt the content of his posts was lacking and poorly thought out." That looks like a contradiction could you clarify what you meant? | ||
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On September 04 2012 23:09 JacobStrangelove wrote: Also if you "Could care less" that implies that you care at least a little bit. Horrible american use of the saying... I know what you mean though. lol gm league trolling from tyler Yeah, I agree with continuing on sharing reads. There's the reason for doing it in case you're night-killed, and also putting a stop on scumhunting will stifle discussion when D2 starts. | ||
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Kville is a huge problem. Here's a summary of his actions so far: His first post which is 12 hours into the game, is only to inform us: "Im not lurking! I just woke up!" In his next post, 6 hours later, he says that he's not in favor of a D1 lynch which isn't even possible. He also says that reads are pointless during D1. Then he self-votes. When asked why he self-voted, he said it was to make a point. His point was that trying to have any reads at all during D1 is a waste of time, therefore his vote on himself and his vote for another player have equal merit. If he doesn't like voting based on reads during D1, then why not vote for one of the lurkers? His vote is completely useless and is anti-town regardless of whether he's town/scum. I do not see his actions or opinions as logical. If we were to take his advice and not try to make any reads during D1, then we will have nothing to start with on D2. Even if a townie gets lynched on D1 it will at least cause people to commit to reads which we can later analyze for how genuine their read seemed. I pointed out that his logic and play are so unbelievably horrible that it must be trollling, and I asked him for an explanation as to what exactly it is he's doing by playing so anti-town. His response was this post where he not only didn't answer my question, he also said my interrogation of him looks scummy. What happened to his strong conviction that we shouldn't make reads during the first day? He goes out of his way to prove his point that making reads is useless, but immediately as I put pressure on him he abandons his "no reads on D1" policy in order to call me scummy? After the lynch he goes on about about his "scumhunting is worthless in D1" idea. So kville, according to you when is a good time to start making reads? Surely you don't think that we should continue to not make reads? So what is your read then, now that D1 is over? I see you voted for the replacement player imcasey but you didn't put it in the voting thread. Is this another one of your anti-town troll posts or do you have a read on him which for some reason you won't explain? Once again I want you to answer to why you're playing so incredibly anti-town. | ||
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On September 05 2012 02:09 Kreb wrote: Hasnt he been FoS for everyone? :p I dont even know what to think of him, but most likely hes trolling. Though, one thing struck me. The OP says this: Play to win. Isnt Kville pretty much by default.... A) Scum B) Breaking the rule It could even be argued that he is.... C) Both ? Yeah I think regardless of his alignment he's trolling. Based on how he posted near the voting deadline I was wanting to lynch him and I thought that kush was thinking the same thing as well, but at that point it was too late and not enough people were in the thread. (top of page 17) So what should we do about it? Trying to get meaningful posts and arguments out of a troll player is just going to result in more trolling so I don't want to spend a lot of time on it during D2 because of the odds. If we lynch him D2 and he's town, then we will be at 6:3 town/scum ratio if the night kill goes through without a save/rb. Policy lynching is ok for D1 but I don't really like it for D2. Kville, this is why if you are town you need to start participating. | ||
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On September 05 2012 02:34 Kreb wrote: I dont know. We could attempt to lynch him D2 while pleading for a modkill before the vote goes through should he be town. Maybe thats shitty because we basically cant lose, so mafia will be at a disadvantage. But I just cant see how he did not break the rule if hes town. The problem with asking for a modkill is that there is always the extremely unlikely chance that he is town and actually thinks he is playing to win. There is also the problem that asking for a modkill under the condition that a player is a certain alignment puts the mod in a position where they would be unfairly giving out information. I think we should leave all discussion of modkilling to the mods unless he blantantly and unquestionably breaks rules. | ||
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If he continues on how he's been playing then I'm going to ignore him so I can focus on getting a solid scumread on someone else. If I'm unable to make a case I'm confident in and nobody else's cases look convincing, then I'm going to ask everyone who is in a similar situation to lynch kville. Is there anyone that thinks back-up plan lynching kville is a bad idea? I'd like to hear some possible town-motives for his posts or reasons to keep him around because I don't see any. He's definitely not everyone's strongest scumread, but it seems to be the consensus that his play is anti-town townie if not anti-town scum. It'll be similar to a D1 lurker lynch policy, in that we all will have an agreed upon alternative lynch plan if we fail to produce strong reads by the end of the day cycle. He is my strongest scumread because I see absolutely no town-motives behind his play, but I think we should pursue other cases for the time being because a read on kville is based off of so little information. (7 total posts) Say so if you agree or disagree, and then set the matter aside unless it needs to be brought up at the end of D2. | ||
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Links to previous posts are underlined. On kville: I feel like my last post made my thoughts on him pretty clear. If you want a more in depth explanation of my read on him, look here. My strongest town read right now is kush. His tendancy to jump to conclusions matches with how I saw him play town in our last game. It's only 1 game of course but in the meta department I gotta assign him some town points. I also felt like his vote on cubu was genuine. Misguided, but genuine. He's also one of the more active when it comes to scumhunting. Scum read: Out of all the lurkers, (exluding kville because nobody knew wtf to think about him) stutters was the one I thought was the scummiest. You can find reasons why in the last paragraph of this post, and in the big paragraph in this post. It's also worth pointing out that he hasn't posted in over 24 hrs as of now, and he's the only one who hasn't posted during the night cycle. My main motivation for considering him as a lynch candidate was because of how we all agreed to follow the lurker policy, and I thought he was the scummiest lurker. After the lynch I was willing to reconsider my read on him in favor of looking at the more active players, but that was under the condition that he starts contributing/scumhunting which he hasn't done. | ||
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What I'd agree on you with though are your comments on his cubu vote. That's one of the shortest explanations for a vote I've ever seen, and sonic pointed this out earlier: On September 05 2012 04:02 Sonic Death Monkey wrote:When looking at yesterday's voting pattern, there's really only one thing that pops up: At one point Cubu placed a vote on Kville to tie it up 2-2. At this point Jacob and Xatalos put down votes on Cubu. If Kville is maffia, it's possible Jacob or Xatalos wanted to push Cubu's wagon to save him. This gives some extra weight behind the case for lynching Kville, as it may give us information on Jacob and Xatalos. If Kville is maffia I highly doubt both Jacob and Xatalos are scum though, so the information we would gain is limited. I want to avoid making association reads if possible so I don't think the "if kville mafia then xatalos or jacob mafia" is a very strong argument to make until we have absolute confirmation of kville's alignment. However I don't even think kville's alignment needs to be brought into discussion. I think it is extremely likely that at least one mafia voted for cubu. Xatalos's reasoning for voting cubu was extremely weak. That is enough to make his vote look scummy. Other people that had weak cubu votes were killingtime and WeeTee. In the case of Weetee I'm going to reserve judgment until his replacement starts posting. So in summary, to me it looks like xatalos's vote was most disingenuous, with killingtime as a close runner up. Go through the filters of the people who voted for cubu and ctrl+f search for posts about "cubu" made before the lynch and you'll clearly see that killingtime and xatalos were less involved with the case than the other voters. Gonna wait to see xatalos's response, and in the meantime I'm going to look at killing's filter. | ||
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