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BlackMamba24
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BlackMamba24
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On September 01 2012 08:12 Hapahauli wrote: @BM24 - Wait - why aren't you voting SnB after all the suspicion you just piled on him? Also, this post by mementoss doesn't give you any townie vibes at all? http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=363625¤tpage=13#258 Because I'm more unsure when it comes to SNB and no, it doesn't. | ||
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BlackMamba24
United States277 Posts
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BlackMamba24
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On September 01 2012 08:13 Hapahauli wrote: Stop it. You don't have a "bandwagon" on you. Second of all, you're pretending like that case of yours never existed. what the one against you? how am i pretending it doesnt exist it's day 1 and i had like what 2-3 votes against me pretty recently, that's a bandwagon isn't it? for someone who wants me lynched so bad and is so sure i'm scum you should stop wasting your time attacking everything I say and try to rally the troops | ||
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BlackMamba24
United States277 Posts
On September 01 2012 08:28 Risen wrote: Ok I'm done. Nothing ever changes in these games because you all just let shitty play happeen. Meta shift from Risen inc. I'm going to start trolling and then once in a while I'll post an awesome case so I get supported by anecdote. If you hate Palmar that much stop playing in games where he /ins and stop acting like a bitch. You should be modkilled for this martyr shit. | ||
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BlackMamba24
United States277 Posts
On September 01 2012 08:38 Shady Sands wrote: DrH can you please use one account while posting? Makes digging through your filter unnecessarily difficult when you swtich back and forth between your alt and your main acct Sorry, I hit flood limits a lot with this account because it is new and I'm very very impatient which is why I tend to spam a lot in games. it takes a lot of effort for me to be able to withhold from posting even when it isn't helpful. | ||
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BlackMamba24
United States277 Posts
On September 01 2012 08:40 Hapahauli wrote: @BM24 - At what point in the last 5 pages did I attack you for the policy junk? I didn't. I've made it clear what I'm attacking you for and you're failure to read is mindblowing. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=363625¤tpage=15#297 If you think this counts as "jumping on you for lurking" - I don't even know what to say. Either you're just not reading, or you're mafia, or both. @ShadySands - Read your case on ghost, and tbh I still read him as null. Him being inconsistent and whatever isn't necessarily scummy. His sudden switch from indecisiveness to voting for mementoss actually reads as slightly townie to me. It would be really easy for him to avoid that contradiction (as mafia) and yet he didn't. You're right, I actually did misread that. Anyway, there's nothing scummy about my case and it's clear you're just really mad that I voted for you early on so get over it and play the game. If you really think I'm scum stop pointlessly bickering with me. I'm not even putting in enough effort to read every sentence in your posts so it's not gonna go anywhere. Rally the troops, try to get me lynched, or shut up about my "case". | ||
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BlackMamba24
United States277 Posts
In Arkham he even lied about being the leader of the scum team just to fuck with people and iirc he was town (or maybe third party) in that. Hapahauli, reread MMtoss's defense. Is it really convincing? He doesn't defend himself so much as he attacks Shady Sands (while not voting for him or accusing him, odd.) who in my mind is one of the most obviously town players here. He just says what he's doing isn't scummy but I really don't agree. The way he throws his "reads" (i.e. always useless scummy fluff shit) into a case which is a bad case to begin with is completely off-base. This could be a case of bad town, it's Day 1 we statistically are almost sure to lynch a townie today, but at least it's something. Palmar gives us nothing. The flip is useless. This is a policy "I don't like Palmar" vote. The only "case" against him is a lazy meta read. Even if Mementoss flips town we have another thing to consider when going back through Day 1 and reading peoples posts. Palmar is a bad vote. The worst vote. | ||
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BlackMamba24
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BlackMamba24
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On September 01 2012 09:13 Hapahauli wrote: I'm going to keep my vote on Palmar for a bit. As it stands, there are a couple of people I want to hear more from before I decide what to do with my vote - namely those that haven't voted yet. I'll give em an hour. Relooking at some filters, I'm growing a bit wary of HiroPro, and his actions seem to follow a scum thought-process.
Thoughts? That's a bit misleading. He was not convinced at all by MMtoss' first defense and only unvoted after MMtoss cleared it up further. If he was looking for a reason to drop his case, he would have done it sooner than that. MMtoss later addresses HiroPro's main suspicion and the answer satisfied him. | ||
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BlackMamba24
United States277 Posts
On September 01 2012 09:19 Node wrote: I'm going to vote for BlackMamba. Here's why: This is such an incredibly wrong and scummy statement that it's unbelievable. Think about what it means for just a second. Mamba is saying that going out of your way to establish your townieness is unnecessary -- even scummy. It's even one of the first rules in Ver's guide: establish your own innocence in order to create a good atmospere and make it easier to find scum. (forgive me for not citing it directly at this moment; my resources are limited) Now, why would he want to enforce this? Only scum could possibly want to establish an atmosphere where showing your innocence is a bad thing. There's also the insinuation that claiming self-aware miller is a poor choice, the questionable case against Hapa (dismissed with an "I wasn't-really-trying" excuse), and the statement that voting for someone doing as little as Palmar would actually be a bad idea. All of this comes together to show somebody that isn't trying to establish a pro-town atmosphere, is pushing the wrong targets, and is definitely scum. ##vote BlackMamba24 I've played in a million games with you saying the same thing every time and this is the first time you've said anything about it. It's been something I looked for ever since RoL nailed the fuck out of Annul in my mini mafia game for it and after I missed axing GMarshal for the same thing. Other good scumhunters have looked for this. Inherent guilt leads to scum trying to establish innocence when not necessary. Concerning themselves with making themselves looking town instead of finding scum. I never dismissed my case against HApa, I'm just not voting for him now because I feel better about something else. Is till think his first two posts were stupid and set off little scum alarms in my head. But they're little. It was 5 hours into the game. It's nice to see you come back into the game after a day with a case that sounds like it was written by someone else at the last minute to push the vote to get rid of me | ||
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BlackMamba24
United States277 Posts
On September 01 2012 09:17 Hapahauli wrote: That's the interesting part - he tunnels MMtoss until I explicitly point out his "first defense" (the longer post I take it?) to HiroPro. Then HiroPro posts that he's waiting for MMtoss to respond to him. Then he immediately drops his read after MMtoss responds. That's not suspicious. He was saying MMtoss' defense wasn't adequate because he didn't address the point. Then when MMtoss addressed the point, he was satisfied. What's scummy about that? We can't have another bandwagon switch right now, the vote is close and there's not a lot of time left in the day. | ||
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BlackMamba24
United States277 Posts
On September 01 2012 09:25 Hapahauli wrote: Because it was too easy. After tunneling MMtoss the entire game, HP was satisfied with just that post? Seriously? I call BS. Why not? tunneling the entire game was like all of a few hours and it seemed to satisfy you so why is it "too easy" when HiroPro likes his answer and not when you like his answer? | ||
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BlackMamba24
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since when is it scummy anyway to change your mind "too easy" is meaningless what does that even mean it's not like MMtoss defense was so stellar he couldn't have continued pushing him if it was really his scum agenda | ||
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BlackMamba24
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On September 01 2012 09:35 Shady Sands wrote: Except Hapa never formalized his PoV on mementoss into a case or laid a vote on him. He just agreed with someone's read on Mementoss, and that's it. That's a heck of a lot weaker than making a 400 word post on him and voting. BUt I thought the main criticism of HiroPro other than that was that his case was a summation of Hapahauli's suspicions of mementoss? Hapahauli told me himself that after reading his defense he thought MMtoss was town for that. But if HiroPro comes to the same conclusion that makes him scum? don't be stupid. | ||
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BlackMamba24
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It's misleading to say he tunneled anyone the entire game because he made his case, asked for a proper response, got it soon after. You can't say he changed his mind instantly AND tunneled this person all game. Those two statements contradict each other in principle. What you should be saying is the case he made on Mementoss was too strong to be dropped so easily, but then that's also admitting that it was a valid case in the first place. It's weird to be the basis of someones case against someone which more or less puts you on their side and then accuse them of being scum for coming to the same conclusion as you and in fact HiroPro came to that conclusion LATER than Haupa did. Haupa pointed out his first defense to me as the thing that made him think MMtoss was town (which seems to be a change of heart from the beginning of the game) whereas HiroPro rejected that and waited for a more direct response. That's what real pressure is. This is ridiculous. | ||
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BlackMamba24
United States277 Posts
On September 01 2012 09:55 Hapahauli wrote: He showed NO intention of dropping his read against MMToss until I confronted him about it, then insta-dropped his read! That was the post I was referring to. It didn't satisfy HiroPro but it satisfied you so how can you say he dropped his suspicions too quick when you dropped them even quicker? He didn't drop it because you pressured it, he didn't drop it until MMtoss directly answered his question and main point of his case. I don't see what is so hard to understand about that... | ||
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BlackMamba24
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BlackMamba24
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Haupa just relax for one minute and take a step back. Why is it scummy to change your mind? why is it scummy to accept someones defense? If his intention was to build a fake case, why didn't he drop it earlier when MMToss initially defending himself? Why continue to pressure then drop it as soon as he gives a more direct answer? That proves, to me, that he had a genuine interest in his case. | ||
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