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On August 24 2012 09:24 BloodyC0bbler wrote: If an assassin meets his win condition by being the last assassin standing does the game end or is that player just removed from the game? You thinking of /in-ing? | ||
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I mean, awwwwww. | ||
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ummmmm when is it not time for BM to troll | ||
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On September 01 2012 05:16 strongandbig wrote: yeah and yet somehow town didn't win that game. (hint it's because the "me" was so retarded) just wanted to clarify. i was not talking about myself here. | ||
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That's how 12-hour clocks work. 12:00 to 12:01 AM is the first minute of the day, followed by 12:01, etcetera. | ||
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edit: ooohhh korean time | ||
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On September 04 2012 23:52 Maverick32x wrote: I voted for Matt due to the lying- but I would be curious to hear if he has a defense of some kind?? lol. If matt was going to defend himself he would have said something by now other than "hey guys maybe I'm a VT trying to draw scum shots lol". I've played a bunch of games with Mattchew recently and based on those, I think this is him as scum. For example, if I were going to fakeclaim miller as scum, I would do it very differently. However, you have to remember a couple things about Mattchew: - he's lazy as fuck as scum, except in themed games - he's pretty aggressive as town a lot of the time. The example I was thinking about was from him in TL Mafia LV, where he and I were both town. He lied about taking a shot, and then when I suggested that it made no sense for him to take a scum shot and he might have been vigged, he attacked me like a moron for the rest of the game. Unlike that, in this game his lie doesn't have any follow-up. If it was a planned-out pro-town lie, which I imagine is what he'll pretend it is, he would have been all over the first few people to attack him. Instead he just disappeared. It seems much more likely that what he did was the same thing I did in deathnote - claimed miller without first asking the hosts whether millers are self-aware, and got caught for it. The difference is, I did it in a game with a closed setup. ##vote: mattchew | ||
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On September 04 2012 19:55 Bill Murray wrote: ahhh, man, i just thought I could clear blackmamba and myself via vigilante talk... i just realized MAFIA HAVE A VIG TOO? ASSUMING it's in the game i was looking to see if we had a double lynch, but then i guess i should be just trying to break the setup. it would require people to go out on a limb, and I don't want that yet, so i won't propose any ideas until we have consolidated better current lynch: Mattchew - Reasoning: Claimed a role he can't possibly know he is... 100% logical - 50% he's trolling? doubtful. Positive chance of lynching mafia. If he was blue, I feel like he would have claimed by now. If not, well, he's not playing to the town, and he's showboating... nobody likes a showboat. Maverick had a bad defense of Mattchew's claim. Now, this wasn't just defending Matt for him to build cred, it was defending a claim that any sane person who was a part of this town would be all over. If he's town, I don't want him in lylo. I urge the vig to take action tonight... maybe even an n-word. This guy could easily be a ninjuitsu. awful. Mafia claiming townie is one thing, but who wants to be in a position of the town we are a part of having to let people off.......? weigh in on this theory: townies who are found visiting people as nosy neighbors claim tracker? new FoS presented: Hapahauli. Milton catches him using the word scummy in a way you'd not want to use as town. Admitting something you've done is scummy is one thing, like I did, but the way Hapa used this makes me want to scream scum. His interaction with my 1st suspect Doyouhas is also pretty bad. Doyouhas looks like he is bussing mattchew to me. He tried to get a quick wagon on a good player (me) who is also a policy lynch (i am... i lurk... play scummy as shit as town... etc) seems like something someone would do with a scum agenda. Too long, didn't read: FOS Hap, Mav, DYH from thread prefer to lynch Hap tomorrow ... vig on mav as BlackMamba said Hey BM - are you proposing that nosy neighbors should do this in the future? That sounds like a terrible policy, it basically sets up a free claim for scum who get caught doing scummy stuff - especially for ninjas using their ninja DT checks. | ||
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On September 04 2012 12:05 BloodyC0bbler wrote: No mafia will shoot a nosy neighbor and any vig who does is stupid, blue trying to look vanilla would claim vanilla. You don't claim miller. Miller is a mafia claim to explain why they do shit at night. Pre claiming is to add "legitimacy to it" On September 04 2012 11:53 BloodyC0bbler wrote: You can prove I am lying with 1 action. As you have yet to do so (hey its even in the OP to find out how to prove me wrong). You are right, his fakeclaim doesn't prove he is mafia on its own. However, HIM ASKING FOR CLAIMS DOES. Why would a townie fakeclaim and attempt to get all blues to claim ? No townie day 1 should ever be this fuckign stupid. Even if he gets caught as mafia (as I have caught him) had anyone or if anyone proceeds to claim and a bunch of retard blues out themselves mafia is instantly ahead. Use your head DrH. You know how I play and know even as Mafia I don't spout complete bullshit. If I am calling someone out like this I know I am in the right. So in the offchance I am mafia I know hes lying, and as I am town I know hes lying. There is only one way for me to know he is lying given that this is a setup mechanic. Figure out how I know and you then you will know the same thing I do and realize hes fucking lying. One last thing - I wanted to mention some things I saw in BC's filter. Reading through the thread I was pretty confounded by how assertive he was towards DrH, but it makes sense if he was told by Palmar that he couldn't let the thread know Palmar had modconfirmed that nosy neighbors aren't self-aware. The other thing is about the repeated not-reading-mattchew's-actual-post and saying he was trying to get blues to claim. I don't really know what to make of this, other than it kind of shows BC is just skimming. We can pretty safely assume that BC isn't the same alignment as Mattchew, so that means he's probably town unless Matt flips assassin; but this still seems kind of odd to me, especially since the thread wasn't extremely long at the point BC called out Mattchew. I haven't played many games with BC so I don't know whether this is a scum tell for him, or if he's just always lazy as town, but hopefully someone who has played more games with him can drop some meta for us. | ||
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On September 05 2012 02:19 Hapahauli wrote: Don't get why this is suspicious. Did you read anything between those two posts? DarthPunk and BC addressed my question pretty well. Combined with sloOsh's post, I felt that BC's confidence in his read was enough to vote for mattchew (with BC essentially 1-for-1'ing himself and mattchew). actually wait a minute. this is scum logic - only scum makes the argument "X was wrong when he said Y was scum, therefore X is scum." townies are wrong all the time, and they are wrong even when they think they're very right. Why would bc be 1-for-1'ing himself with mattchew? | ||
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On September 05 2012 03:41 Maverick32x wrote: This is a huge red flag to me.... how is that ONLY something that scum does? I agree with everything else you've written.. but using those sort of generalizations really makes me suspicious. Well, it's something that only scum should do. Obviously I'm not speaking in some kind of ontological imperative, I don't magically know that no townie will ever do this. But it's a common scum mindset; "that person was so wrong they must be scum" is a simplistic case and one that is rarely true. There has to actually be some deeper analysis of why the wrongness was a scummy wrongness. Most of the time, people who say "he made a big public case and was wrong therefore scum" are actually thinking "he made a big public case and was wrong, therefore easier mislynch." On September 05 2012 03:39 DoYouHas wrote: Because even after confronted about it BC maintained that he was 100% sure he was right. At that point either BC is lying to the town or Mattchew is. It makes more sense to lynch Matt first (I think slOosh put it best) but if we are all wrong and Matt did end up as a NN (not really a possibility anymore) then we would have known that BC was lying. Not a for sure 1-1, but it would have put BC 1 step from the gallows. I really don't see Mattchew getting out of this lynch. Save the connection analysis until we see his flip. I'm far more interested in interactions not involving Matt currently. Who has just been sliding by? Who has looked awkward in the flow of the discussion? Where is grush? I agree on the connection analysis, but I'm not trying connection analysis here. And BC did say he was 100% sure about the nosy neighbor thing, but that's not what the quote I referred to was about. He voted with BC because BC was confident about mattchew's alignment, not about mattchew being not a nosy neighbor, and he was saying that if mattchew flipped town then BC would be trading his own life. Or at least, that's the impression I got. | ||
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I don't know if this is what he meant, but the not-scumslip way to interpret that statement is that he thinks you're scum and was addressing his comment to you, but was hoping town read his comment also. So I don't think it's a scumslip. That doesn't mean I don't find the rest of his play recently pretty suspicious... | ||
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On September 04 2012 20:59 Hapahauli wrote: I'd like everyone to turn to Miltonkram for straight up lying about post history. This would be the biggest pile of crap I've seen in the thread if it wasn't for the Mattchew fake-claim. Scum coming in late and trying to make the best of a bad situation IMO. At that point in the game, DarthPunk hadn't voted for mattchew yet. DarthPunk never votes until Palmar confirms the lie. Looks like we have scum #2 - using misinformation to make a key component of his "case" stronger. looks like you and me in the thread, toad. You do science, right? You just sitting around taking data too? Anyway, I just reread this post. Thought it was interesting that no one had commented on it yet. I certainly agree that misrepresenting history in posts to make your cases seem stronger is a scummy trait, but I'm not sure if that by itself is enough to call him scum#2 like that. However, given that it's milton's only post, it does draw attention. I'd like to hear something from Milton: - do you still think hapa is scum? - what do you have to say about his accusation that you misrepresented the facts? - do you think he was right or wrong about darthpunk? Does that matter to your read on hapa himself? | ||
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On September 06 2012 01:18 Toadesstern wrote: well 24 out of 25 people agree that Matt needs to die. If that 1 guy telling us Matt is not mafia is right that looks awfully like someone having information he shouldn't have or how in the world is the guy supposed to come to the conclusion that Matt's got to be "not mafia" if everyone else agrees he is.
I don't understand why you differentiate between what we should think of ottox between if matt flips town or third. Why does matt flipping third party make it more likely ottox is scum than if he flips town? I mean, it can't be "because ottox was right," given that his argument makes no sense. | ||
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On September 05 2012 09:38 Gravan wrote: First, the straightforward part. It seems to me that Matt is most likely an assassin, or a very careless player. As many have said before me, there is no case for him to do what he did from a town perspective. To me, it seems that if he were mafia or town, we would likely have seen at least some kind of attempt at an explanation - either to strengthen his fellow mafia by giving them 'towncred' as they jump on his bandwagon or to try to convince us we are making a mistake as a town blue. As an assassin, he could just be seeing his end and giving up - this is of course moot if he decides to put in his piece later. Since he is apparently not a random newbie (who is a random newb, anyway  ?), and clearly likes to be an active player, it shouts assasinto me. Since it is day 1 and we only have so much information, we essentially have to lynch him anyway (even if we were nearly certain he is an assassin. At this time, I'll be throwing my vote his way. The post where I make my comments on the information currently present (as in, not to do with the matt bandwagon) is coming up later. I just wanted to put down somehing somewhat solid so thanI can start to develop a post hostory, watery as it might be. On September 05 2012 13:30 Gravan wrote: This is my fault for wording this sentence poorly. Although I am still leaning towards Matt being an assassin, he certainly looks all kinds of scummy as well. There isn't enough information at this point to lynch someone else - this lynch will, at worst, be neutral. I feel that, unless someone who has better evidence against them comes up (unlikely) we are better off to make this lynch and gain the information (Matt's flip) than sit idle. I am just asserting that I personally think he is an assassin. I'm done on the whole Matt issue now; still working on making my posts more constructive and less parrot-y. If Matt flips scum, Ottox and Toad really need to be looked at. Ottox has been making his bizarre crusade about the potential innocence of Matt, as everyone knows. To me, Toad's last few posts have seemed a little aimless and very personally aggressive with little content. He spends a considerable amount of time shutting down and pointing at Ottox (who is looking obviously scummy or very misguided) in a well written post, then shifts to personal attacks and negligent remarks. Sleep time for me now; I'll actually have some rest by tomorrow and won't be travelling. Gravan, what changed between these two posts? Why did Matt go from being "most likely an assassin" with no scum motivations to his behavior, to being "all sorts of scummy" ? I also reaaaaaallly don't like the "throwing my vote away" comment, but not much more to say about that now. | ||
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On September 04 2012 09:05 Forumite wrote: Finished with page 12. I dislike you voting a veteran based on meta. You don´t kill veterans, you wait for them to either 1) crush the scumteam or 2) get shot in the night. If they live too long without doing any good, THEN you maybe consider killing them based on meta. Too long, didn´t read. I´m not usually basing my reads upon meta that the player himself provided. What do you mean with the bolded part? It doesn´t make sense to me. What is your problem with Toades? Do you think he´s deliberately disruptive? We should be killing people we think are scum, no matter the reason. It might be harder to catch a good player with meta arguments, but "veteran" doesn't neccessarily mean "good player" and there are people who have metas that are worth analyzing. I especially don't like this post because it comes from someone who, while not a "vet" in the same sense that BC/BM/BM are, is still definitely in the top third or quarter of players in this game in terms of experience. Seems a little self-serving. | ||
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On September 07 2012 06:59 Toadesstern wrote: strongandbig: That guy should be scared as shit about me but he isn't. Not at all. To be precise he's even pretty buddy-ish with me. I think he knows I'm not mafia. Do not like. [snip] Ottox definitly is the best lynch if he survives. BKE & S+B are mentioned because I want people to check their filter as well. I'm not set on lynching them yet but they're the best candidates I've got besides the "usual" ones. I'd rather not have people just forget about them. So why should I in particular be scared of you in particular? Is it because I should be quivering in fear of your particularly stellar scumplay? Cause something about the ridiculous way you died last game makes you seem a lot less scary, as irrational as that is. Now, I'm not sure how you think I'm buddying you. Unless you mean the "we're the only ones in the thread" thing - I see game-related buddying like 'ooh your reads are right on yeah way to lead the town' as being a lot scummier than 'hey man sup in the thread at this european hour or whatever', but whatever. I was actually just going to ignore this whole thing because there's really not much for me to say about it ("you're buddying me! No I'm not! Yes you are!" doesn't really help anything), but it made me think a bit about you this game vs last game, and I wanted to ask something. On August 22 2012 03:25 Toadesstern wrote: I guess I just ninja'ed you. Not much of an opinion on Dirkzor right now. He's one of the guys I'd rather have a look at day-2 or day-3. Same goes for Zeph. Last game I wanted to lynch him because I found a couple of posts that read like scumslips to me and he ended up flipping mafia. So pretty much the same as Dirkzor: Rather leave him alive and check out d2 or d3. If he's mafia he'll slip soon enough. I'm really in favor of lynching vets d1 in general. That's why you'll mostly find me comment on those people because I feel more comfortable judging them even with fewer amounts of posts. This is from last game - this game, instead it's On September 07 2012 03:58 Toadesstern wrote: I really don't like the cases on forumite (or vets in general this game) as they're incredibly far-fetched, which is obvious considering the fact that we're still on d1/n1. That being said I still (somewhat?) agree with the conclusion but I'll post shortly before deadline :p What changed? And don't say your alignment, from how highly you talk of your own scum play I know you wouldn't be doing something as simple as coming down on different sides of a policy question as scum vs town. Now in terms of your process of elimination thing - the obvious biggest problem with that is that it assumes you're town. You've done this before, like when we were playing in mtg mafia. You even actually came right out when the last vet was dead other than you and said "but why would I say that as scum, it's setting myself up to be lynched later." That argument worked that time, but it also taught me to watch you when you start talking about vet balance. That said, I think forumite is looking scummier than you are atm. I still really don't like his "don't use meta on vets" comment, and I don't think that's been addressed since I brought it up last time Yeah I think the same person is looking bad as you do even though you just accused me of buddying you, deal with it. | ||
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On September 08 2012 07:28 grush57 wrote: AWWW SHEEEEEEEEEET. I KNOW WHY TOAD CALLED ME SCUM I FORGOT STARSENSES. lol i was worried On September 08 2012 06:52 Toadesstern wrote: grush is mafia. BKE's probably; if BKE's not mafia it's probably foru? But I had almost no time today as friends came over so I'll have to reread things tomorrow. Haven't even read what happened the last 4 hours so far except for an incredible fast read. toaaaaad why do you say grush is mafia? ps this is a serious question. grush is like by far the easiest rando free scumread to throw around. | ||
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Anyway I've been reading over the case against bke. I was a bit hesitant at first because several times in the past, I've been super convinced he was scum when he actually wasn't. He's just inherently scummy. But the thing that makes me feel better about this time is that there is a solid core to the case on him, the big shift about Mattchew. The case on him isn't just "look at his filter he's scummy as fuck," which is basically how I would describe his town play. Still, not gonna vote quite yet. I want to see how things play out, and to decide whether or not I like how Forumite's been basically ignoring toad calling him scum. Not sure what to make of that yet. | ||
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I'm still not entirely sold on BKE, but I feel much better about him than about Grush. The claim, I don't know about. It's a very easy claim for mafia to make, and we can't prove it false or true, especially since he'll be able to claim roleblocked. There's the fact that if he checked the person who was suicide bombed he should be dead, but I give zero weight to the argument that's been made by some people that his claim is too weird to be made by mafia. If the claim is fake, it's possible that he was the one who delivered the KP on BC - or one of the two if he was double stacked - and the claim is designed to be safe against trackers and real watchers. Anyway, I don't think we should ignore the case on him just because he claimed a PR. I agree with whoever it was up above who said that if we do that, then scum can just always claim PRs and get free extra life by claiming to be roleblocked. So I'm back to the original core of the case against him - his scummy shift in position on Mattchew before and after Palmar's post in the thread. Sure it's not 100% a sure thing, but I like that case better than the case on Grush, and so ##vote: broodkingexe pre-edit Reading over Austin's post right above mine it looks like some decent arguments on z-boson as well - big lists, not following up on his own stuff, inconsistency, etc. Also someone to consider. | ||
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On September 09 2012 02:10 austinmcc wrote: Hey strongandbig, are you around? Would you give your updated thoughts on BKE/grush, and give Z-boson a read? oh lol i take a while to type i'll read through z-boson's filter while I eat dinner | ||
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1. his case on goodkarma seems genuine. What I mean by that is it doesn't just seem like casual distancing, but rather an actual attempt to point out problems with his filter. Now, this doesn't mean that boson isn't mafia - they could have already known they were going to use the suicide bomb. But it seems a bit early to be saying 'bro your filter sucks and is inconsistent' in the thread rather than in the scum qt. 2. he hasn't really followed up his case on maverickx since the start of day2 - interesting. Yeah so atm I'd kinda rather lynch bkexe, but in general I think boson is definitely someone to keep a sharp eye on. | ||
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On September 09 2012 02:45 DarthPunk wrote: Your interpretation of what is likely or not is based on your subjective perception of events. You started the wagon on BKE and thus your subjective perception of events is likely to be biased in a way that fits your case. If you want to talk about probability look at it this way. We have no idea what the thought process behind the kills were. 2 people died. there is a 50% chance that each was a night kill target. Thus BKE claim is plausible. But this is not relevant. What is relevant is the MOTIVATION. Why would BKE claim watcher over other roles which are less verifiable (mad hatter) and why would he not say that he watched DrH rather than BC if, as you say, it was so obvious BC was the suicide target. It is natural to choose the most plausible chain of events if you are lying. If you are telling the truth... you say what actually happened even though this may make you look worse. (WIFOM i know but I think this is still relevant) if he was scum and actually delivered a kp on BC - whether they double stacked him or not - then claiming that he watched bc would make his claim proof against the possibility that he was tracked or that there was a real watcher on bc last night. | ||
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No but actually, you bring up a very good point. I played in WoF and Forumite this game does remind me of his play from that game. That said, I think austin's case on z-boson is pretty good as well - he's hedging a lot, and his reasoning around the BKE vote really doesn't make much sense. So toad and austin, since both of you are pretty decent players and regardless of your own alignments are gonna be pretty good at mafia logic, what do you make of each others' cases? One last thing - I don't have all that much time so I was looking through some shorter filters. What do people think of hopeless1der? His filter can be described as - kind of a scummy waffle around the mattchew lynch - tunneling forumite Now, on the one hand I think forumite is a decent scum candidate; but seriously I don't think hopeless has talked about anything else for more than one or two lines. This is a contradiction for me from past games, where hopeless's filter has looked well-thought-out and where it's easy to get a town read on him. Also I feel like there might be a contradiction here: On September 05 2012 06:18 Hopeless1der wrote: A mafia with a role can both use his action and take a shot. As an example, the mafia Vig can 'visit' and shoot two different players in the same night. I don't follow how the Scum KP mechanics make it unlikely that Forumite (or any potential scum) would NOT have a role, or for example, how a goon who stays home is cleared. On September 08 2012 16:06 Hopeless1der wrote: Unless someone claims a vig shot on GK, you're supposed to be dead right now. That was worse than Mattchew's claim. insta-reaction was to throw water on bke's claim, even though he already knew a scum with a role could also deliver a factional kp. Now, I also didn't believe bke's claim, but it's not just that he didn't believe it - he discounted it with a reason that he already knew wasn't airtight. Not sure how bad of a contradiction that is but I think it is a contradiction. | ||
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On September 10 2012 07:42 Bill Murray wrote: I BROUGHT HIM UP AS A JOKE then i filtered him, and i was like, holy fuck this guy has 3 wall posts and is the most obvious blue I HAVE EVER SEEN but i didnt want to give it away, so i decided to engage him in questioning, as seen above and then i encourage him to scumhunt, which he does. It was awesome. My questioning lead to him posting a little more, which may have bought him another cycle. IDK. Regardless, notice how I'm trying to get him to engage me in more scumhunting? I have no suspicion of him at all, not only do I figure he's town, I know he's blue/red, and I'm leaning blue at this point. He's not acting as per his townie meta, and he looks blue as shit versus being scum. He could be scum here, but that's why I'm questioning him at all, really, to see how he will react. Well, he reacted well, so I, as above, asked him about Gravan Notice how I'm FoS the "top scum" who is likely Forumite I don't think it's Toad - pretty sure he's town as per meta by now... he's just such a good player, that I'm wary of him. Back on track, and off tangent, the bolded line above is me saying "hey, you're blue, but don't worry about me... im not scum" wait I'm confused what exactly you're saying here. | ||
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On September 10 2012 08:46 strongandbig wrote: wait I'm confused what exactly you're saying here. specifically i mean the bread crumb thing or whatever it is you're claiming at the end. | ||
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it's two am and i have to work for five more hours maybe i'll figure out what is going on during that time, but i doubt it. | ||
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austin just got killed lol, why is bm all like "hey bros i knew he was the vigilante trolol" i mean for all we know austin would have shot someone last night but got roleblocked because someone like bm figured out he was the givbilante? | ||
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On September 10 2012 09:27 Hopeless1der wrote: Multi-shot vig shouldn't be claiming shots like that. However, if you're down to your last shot, I'd recommend claiming it early to prevent kp stacks or docs blocking town KP. Maybe the doc/jk would disagree and maybe its the scum vig, but I'd rather protect against scum factional KP if possible. (This all goes to shit if there's another suicide bomber...but I don't see that being likely) this makes almost no sense. "prevent docs blocking town kp" either the doc or the vig is terrible in that situation and for the vig to claim the hit changes nothing. why would that make the doc change his read on the person he's protectiong lol | ||
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On September 10 2012 09:24 Z-BosoN wrote: Basically he's screaming out loud he knows austin is blue. Given how he was addressing austin, and the crumbs, it sounds reasonable, and is confirmed with this quote: Which is made AFTER night 1. However, his "crumbs", were made BEFORE night one, as were his other posts. If he actually suspected austin being blue, as mafia, it would be extremely advantageous to outright kill austin. He would be catching a blue in day one. I don't believe mafia would have the balls to note this and still not kill austin. My only concern is the possibility of him just leaving crumbs everywhere with his random comments. If you note, there's a lot of stuff you basically can't understand. I'm inclined to believe BM, however, because from his filter he clearly treated austin differently, something in which he did not do with anybody else. My questions are only to avoid this "random crumbing" theory I have, because otherwise that should be like a 95% clear. there was a clear theme to the night one kills, they killed the vets who were pretty town looking and also good at scum hunting. I don't think the fact that scum didn't kill austin night one does anything to clear bill murray. Like, I think he's probably town but I think it's weird that you're using this reason to call him conviremd. | ||
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okay bm maybe you can explain to me why does "you realized that austin was blue" imply "therefore you are town?" i don't understand that logic train. | ||
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why are you not playing like you normally do when you are town On August 06 2012 05:10 talismania wrote: 5) Sloosh is a townie boyscout. that's his meta and he's playing to it. He may be scum I guess but I doubt it. He's active and corrals people towards lynches. If he's town, he should be a highpriority target. I also want him protected out of self-interest since if he dies people are going to push my lynch and that's going to be really annoying to deal with. yoru not doing thissssss are you sucm or an assssassin? | ||
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His filter isn't the longest, but neither is mine so I don't think that's a scum tell. There's nothing in there that screams "town" but unless I'm missing something (which is possible on account of it's 7AM and I'm still fucking awake) I don't see anything that would put him higher on my "maybe scum" list than, for example, you or forumite (people who have a certain town meta that they're not playing to) or Z-boson (because of all the things austin pointed out, including his hedging and tentativeness, plus the weird vig-direction focus he's had - which I thought was a shitty breadcrumb, but since Austin turned out to be the vig, turns out to just be weird.) So sloosh - why do you say I'm dodging? What is there to dodge? All those words up there explained my read, but it's exactly the same as before. If you want me to talk about him, then I assume it's for a reason and you didn't just pick his name out of a hat - but looking at his filter, I don't see what that reason is. | ||
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and since it's the weekend it was the extra long night shift (9PM-7AM) TT____TT hence all the terrible spelling and capitlaisation i've been using for the past several hours | ||
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On September 11 2012 04:07 Rewok wrote: I've been wrong every time I voted on my own instinct and right the time I followed Toade so my vote is for Forumite. ##vote: Forumite I... don't really like this logic. This implies that your own instinct is pointing at someone other than Forumite - who would that be? That said, some logic I do like is the case on Forumite. It's not just that he's been way less "pro-town" and "invested" than usual this game, although that's the biggest part of the case; but I still think there are some sketchy things in his filter - that first "don't lynch vets" post still rankles considering it came from someone who is pretty vet-ish. ##vote: Forumite | ||
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On September 11 2012 08:57 Forumite wrote: S&B, what were you refering to? That was a joke. I was referring to the fact that Mattchew said "BM is definitely town" before he died. In actuality, that gives us basically no info because of the wifom principle. If you're actually interested in my read on BM - I put him in the "probably town" category, but not because of what mattchew said. More because he's been more involved and less shitty-town-atmosphere-promoting than his reputation or other games of his I've seen lead me to expect he would be. That said, the "I'm town because I read Austin as blue and didn't kill him N1" is a stupid argument and it makes me pretty suspicious of z-boson that he was so pro it. | ||
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Out of the cases so far, the one on him (redone recently by mementoss) has by far the most meat to it. I don't have a town read on gravan like I do on grush and billmurray, so I'd be willing to consolidate on him, but the case on him just feels too "wtf where is he" without enough "also this is why he's scum." I think compared to those two, mementoss isn't a great lynch for today since he seems to have started giving a fuck. However, that could just be him being scum and realizing that he has to start giving a fuck or die. But I think mav is the best lynch out of those today. ##vote: maverickx | ||
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Also also, I'd just like to point out how once again you're not including yourself when you do vet-balance stuff. This is like the fourth game I've been in with you where you've done that. | ||
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but wrt sloosh - you said that BM and I are the assassins, but I'm not a vet either | ||
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He hasn't made a real read all game, and now comes out with a town-case on Gravan. We still don't have any scumhunting out of him, and town cases are easy for scum to make. I think he saw the writing on the wall and this is a ploy, and we shouldn't fall for it. It's not a case where the only motive was town; it's also very smart scum play, regardless of Gravan's alignment. A push on Gravan by Mav would just be dismissed, so this is his top option. | ||
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did you guys lynch me while i was playing dota? lol | ||
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obs qt plz apologies to my team for my lack of activity. working 11PM to 7AM really fucked with my head | ||
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On September 24 2012 07:28 Z-BosoN wrote: Reading the scum qt, my mad hatter idea was not that bad actually As I had suspected, I was gonna get shot anyways. At least my death would confirm toad town/assassin, and in case a medic did indeed save toad, I would have gotten saved. Your claim was really effective imo. Instead of shooting someone who actually looked townie we shot you to try and get a double kill. You basically managed to confirm toad and to make us use a shot to kill you instead of letting you get lynched. And for this game - I disagree about the victory feeling hollow. I recognize that my play was terrible but I still feel pretty good right now. Still pissed at mattchew though. That was just super dumb. | ||
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On September 24 2012 09:57 BloodyC0bbler wrote: TBH I honestly do not feel his claim was "super dumb" as everyone makes it out to be. It was stupid in retrospect but the OP did not indicate that NN were unaware of their alignment and if you read the thread up until I outed him for it no one was attacking him for his claim being fake as hell, but that it was more oddly claimed. Even before Palmar confirmed they did not know their alignment the town should have realized something was amiss when literally no one else claimed NN to verify mattchews claim. That in its own right should have been the proof to get him lynched barring a mod post. Had it not been for a player such as myself, and any other player who has hosted (very few I believe in this game) near no one else thought to even ask so the claim was only bad given that certain people were almost sure to ask questions. For the rest of your team play though I think you guys were slightly too passive and should have exerted a bit more control. You guys could have easily pushed a misslynch onto a few people with a bit of effort and when it came down to the lynch snb died in I have no idea well, how you did. Given that a mafia member was required to get you lynched over a townie you could have coasted safely by never having allinson vote for your death thus auto win the game basically. lynching me wasn't a team decision or anything. imallinson just did it while I was off playing dota, and I'm still not sure why he did. and re the fake nosy neighbor claim, claiming like that is "super dumb" in an open setup where it is actually verifiable. If you're going to do it at all it should only be done either in games where self-aware millers are confirmed to exist or in games with a closed setup like deathnote, where I had just done the exact same thing but where I knew that the hosts wouldn't tell anyone how the miller mechanic worked or even whether there was one. | ||
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On September 24 2012 11:19 slOosh wrote: I enjoyed being bulletproof. Please give me more such roles  I also dunno how the SnB lynch went down but that was fun. at least we only shot you once, unlike toad. | ||
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