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Bill Murray
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States9292 Posts
September 10 2012 12:25 GMT
#1661
and, oh, yeah, the multiple posting as town thing that i do... sorry for that.
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Forumite
Profile Joined February 2011
Sweden3280 Posts
September 10 2012 12:58 GMT
#1662
I haven´t read the last few pages.

What I get from rereading the Matt situation is that Z-boson looks very bad. He was avoiding talking about Matt except to softdefend and provides distraction cases until several people had all voted Matt. He then says he´s voting Matt but doesn´t while, providing a very wishy-washy reason for the vote.

##Vote: Z-boson
:3
slOosh
Profile Joined October 2009
3291 Posts
September 10 2012 15:23 GMT
#1663
On September 10 2012 21:58 Forumite wrote:
I haven´t read the last few pages.

What I get from rereading the Matt situation is that Z-boson looks very bad. He was avoiding talking about Matt except to softdefend and provides distraction cases until several people had all voted Matt. He then says he´s voting Matt but doesn´t while, providing a very wishy-washy reason for the vote.

##Vote: Z-boson

This shows that Forumite doesn't care about the game. This is his very first mention of Z-boson, he is picking a target that is easy to hop onto, the reasons for scuminness could have been cited D2 but never were and he was not present for any of the discussion concerning him D2. Furthermore, he has not even drawn anything from the discussion as the only behavior he mentions is from D1. Couple this with several more instances of him not reading and general apathy to the game, appearing only when people start suspecting him.

##Vote: Forumite
slOosh
Profile Joined October 2009
3291 Posts
September 10 2012 15:27 GMT
#1664
On September 08 2012 23:41 austinmcc wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 08 2012 23:15 Toadesstern wrote:
Supposedly mafia only used 1KP yesterday. BC got killed by suicidebomber. I hiiiiighly doubt ottox was a mafiahit and think he was hit by town, which leaves us with DrH. But According to BKE only one guy visited him and he did not get doublestacked. Neither do we have a claim from someone else who got protected or shot n1. So one shot is missing
This. GK as suicide bomber could still deliver a kill. And if you're scum and you lose mattchew D1, you're suiciding GK N1, you're 100% gonna use him as a shooter because he can't get caught delivering a kill, he's gonna be dead.

We're basically narrowed down to BM24 being double stacked and BKE lying OR BM24 single shot, BKE watcher, and a medic save.

Unless mafia shot Ottoxlol, which seems...unlikely.

I take that as a vig shot on Ottox.
More likely that he was roleblocked rather than hold off shot / target saved by medic or JK.

Still don't like imallinson and will probably build a case on him after today, but Forumite is just blaring out at this point.
Toadesstern
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Germany16350 Posts
September 10 2012 15:31 GMT
#1665
On September 11 2012 00:23 slOosh wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 10 2012 21:58 Forumite wrote:
I haven´t read the last few pages.

What I get from rereading the Matt situation is that Z-boson looks very bad. He was avoiding talking about Matt except to softdefend and provides distraction cases until several people had all voted Matt. He then says he´s voting Matt but doesn´t while, providing a very wishy-washy reason for the vote.

##Vote: Z-boson

This shows that Forumite doesn't care about the game. This is his very first mention of Z-boson, he is picking a target that is easy to hop onto, the reasons for scuminness could have been cited D2 but never were and he was not present for any of the discussion concerning him D2. Furthermore, he has not even drawn anything from the discussion as the only behavior he mentions is from D1. Couple this with several more instances of him not reading and general apathy to the game, appearing only when people start suspecting him.

##Vote: Forumite

but than again he is right that Z-Boson looks bad.
Why can't I be the Joker in a game like this

Just shoot em all.
<Elem> >toad in charge of judging lewdness <Elem> how bad can it be <Elem> also wew, that is actually p lewd.
Hopeless1der
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States5836 Posts
September 10 2012 16:09 GMT
#1666
On September 11 2012 00:31 Toadesstern wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 11 2012 00:23 slOosh wrote:
On September 10 2012 21:58 Forumite wrote:
I haven´t read the last few pages.

What I get from rereading the Matt situation is that Z-boson looks very bad. He was avoiding talking about Matt except to softdefend and provides distraction cases until several people had all voted Matt. He then says he´s voting Matt but doesn´t while, providing a very wishy-washy reason for the vote.

##Vote: Z-boson

This shows that Forumite doesn't care about the game. This is his very first mention of Z-boson, he is picking a target that is easy to hop onto, the reasons for scuminness could have been cited D2 but never were and he was not present for any of the discussion concerning him D2. Furthermore, he has not even drawn anything from the discussion as the only behavior he mentions is from D1. Couple this with several more instances of him not reading and general apathy to the game, appearing only when people start suspecting him.

##Vote: Forumite

but than again he is right that Z-Boson looks bad.
Why can't I be the Joker in a game like this

Just shoot em all.

Would you rather lynch Z-Boson based on his Day 1 posting or Forumite based on his entire play this game. My case maintains its validity, despite having been made during Day1 and Night1.


Most recently:
On September 10 2012 07:58 Forumite wrote:
I get the feeling that scum decided on those nightkills very close to the deadline, since Hapa and austinmcc dropped suspicions on BM, Toades and me right before dying.

About Toades case on me, I´ve been busy and haven´t been putting much effort into the game. Yes, I´m more cautious than my usual meta, which unfortunately puts me closer to how I behaved in Wheel of Fortune Mafia, my scumteam kept a low profile while town lynched eachother, this tactic worked well in that game. There´s not much more to say except that I have some serious rereading to do.



On September 10 2012 21:58 Forumite wrote:
I haven´t read the last few pages.

What I get from rereading the Matt situation is that Z-boson looks very bad. He was avoiding talking about Matt except to softdefend and provides distraction cases until several people had all voted Matt. He then says he´s voting Matt but doesn´t while, providing a very wishy-washy reason for the vote.

##Vote: Z-boson



Bolded at the end of the first quote: Need to read the thread.
Second quote: Didn't finish reading, but I'm voting for this guy based on half the available information. [That's a well thought out and valuable contribution to the town. \sarcasm]
Consistent with Toad's read of Forumite being of little to no use to the town.

Forumite, could you perhaps flesh things out a bit more on Z-Boson, besides his interactions regarding Mattchew? Why is he a better lynch than you right now?

##Vote: Forumite
Toadesstern
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Germany16350 Posts
September 10 2012 16:21 GMT
#1667
Let's be honest here:

I think if we lynch into one of either Forumite, S&B, BM or Z-Boson we're going to hit "not-townie" all the way.
That's the reason I didn't want to talk about S&B because I suspected him to be an Assassin (you're welcome \o/ ).
If BM is Mafia Foru's got to be an Assassin (again, you're welcome \o/ ) and isn't actually mafia himself.
Foru basicly claimed he's playing cautious on purpose so that fits the Assassin as well.
Z-Boson and BM have some weird connection this day.
I really don't like how Boson gets in here telling people BM is confirmed because of the blue thing, on top of that he instantly finds another breadcrumb BM apparently did and the knowledge BM had about austin is supposed to make him somehow town when there's no way mafia would have shot a vig n1, even if they knew about one.

So if you take them all apart I'd be all up for lynching Forumite today.
If we're considering them as a whole I'd rather lynch Z-Boson.
<Elem> >toad in charge of judging lewdness <Elem> how bad can it be <Elem> also wew, that is actually p lewd.
Toadesstern
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Germany16350 Posts
September 10 2012 18:55 GMT
#1668
Mmmh going to vote Forumite. He's the least likely to flip town out of the 4 people I mentioned.
The drawback is that he could really flip Assassin... while someone like Z-Boson is either going to flip mafia or town and it's more likely to be a mafia flip. But unlike Forumite he has a somewhat realistic offchance to somehow flip town.

On top of that the big issues I've got with Z-Boson and BM are all because of what happened today with that blue BM apparently figured out and I think I'm seeing connections there.
I like lynching into people when I see connections but pretty much every other vet tells me not to do it because it could be anything I'm seeing.

That being said the case on Forumite is the strongest on itself if we ignore the "what if X is mafia" arguments.

##Vote: Forumite
<Elem> >toad in charge of judging lewdness <Elem> how bad can it be <Elem> also wew, that is actually p lewd.
Rewok
Profile Joined September 2010
40 Posts
September 10 2012 19:07 GMT
#1669
I've been wrong every time I voted on my own instinct and right the time I followed Toade so my vote is for Forumite.

##vote: Forumite
Mementoss
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Canada2595 Posts
September 10 2012 20:47 GMT
#1670
hi
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uu96xMwFVXw
imallinson
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
United Kingdom3482 Posts
September 10 2012 21:35 GMT
#1671
The case against Forumite seems pretty damning and stuff like the weak vote on Z-boson doesn't make him look more town. My only reservation is that I really don't like BM's attempt to claim he is confirmed town and Z-boson backing that up. Vig seems like someone mafia would like to keep alive unless they had their gun aimed at one of their own so I don't buy the "I knew austin was vig day one so I can't be scum" argument. Obviously both Forumite and a Z-Boson/BM team both being scum seems very unlikely. I think Forumite is probably the best looking lynch at the moment but I think Z-Boson and BM need a good look at if he turns out to not be scum. Final thing to note I'm still not fond of Gravan's posting. He is lurking in the shadows only posting a minimum amount to seem like he is contributing.

##Vote: Forumite
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Toadesstern
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Germany16350 Posts
September 10 2012 21:36 GMT
#1672
On September 11 2012 06:35 imallinson wrote:
The case against Forumite seems pretty damning and stuff like the weak vote on Z-boson doesn't make him look more town. My only reservation is that I really don't like BM's attempt to claim he is confirmed town and Z-boson backing that up. Vig seems like someone mafia would like to keep alive unless they had their gun aimed at one of their own so I don't buy the "I knew austin was vig day one so I can't be scum" argument. Obviously both Forumite and a Z-Boson/BM team both being scum seems very unlikely. I think Forumite is probably the best looking lynch at the moment but I think Z-Boson and BM need a good look at if he turns out to not be scum. Final thing to note I'm still not fond of Gravan's posting. He is lurking in the shadows only posting a minimum amount to seem like he is contributing.

##Vote: Forumite

yeah pretty much exactly this
<Elem> >toad in charge of judging lewdness <Elem> how bad can it be <Elem> also wew, that is actually p lewd.
grush57
Profile Joined March 2011
Korea (South)2582 Posts
September 10 2012 21:45 GMT
#1673
The game that I played with Forumite and he flipped 3rd party he played much more townlike. Though that could of been an adjustment now. Anyways, it's our best bet.
##Vote: Forumite
"Every thing is either simply awful or awfully simple." | "Weaklings can't pick... their way of death."
Forumite
Profile Joined February 2011
Sweden3280 Posts
September 10 2012 22:24 GMT
#1674
And there goes D3.

Come on guys, ignore the wagon for a while, where are the other scum? When I flip town, who is your next target? I´ve been away a few hours and the only thing that´s happened is that everyone´s said they want to lynch me. Doesn´t anyone have something else to add?
:3
strongandbig
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States4858 Posts
September 10 2012 22:26 GMT
#1675
On September 11 2012 04:07 Rewok wrote:
I've been wrong every time I voted on my own instinct and right the time I followed Toade so my vote is for Forumite.

##vote: Forumite


I... don't really like this logic. This implies that your own instinct is pointing at someone other than Forumite - who would that be?

That said, some logic I do like is the case on Forumite. It's not just that he's been way less "pro-town" and "invested" than usual this game, although that's the biggest part of the case; but I still think there are some sketchy things in his filter - that first "don't lynch vets" post still rankles considering it came from someone who is pretty vet-ish.

##vote: Forumite
"It's the torso" "only more so!"
Forumite
Profile Joined February 2011
Sweden3280 Posts
September 10 2012 22:29 GMT
#1676
I think I want Hopeless1der to die. During the whole Matt affair he said that we don´t know how NN works and that I´m scummy. Both are in line with what Z-boson did, which is try and discredit the case on Matt as softly as possible while providing alternative cases.

There are like 8 players that look weird during that crucial period in the game, and that´s without counting the lurkers. =/
:3
Forumite
Profile Joined February 2011
Sweden3280 Posts
September 10 2012 22:31 GMT
#1677
On September 11 2012 07:26 strongandbig wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 11 2012 04:07 Rewok wrote:
I've been wrong every time I voted on my own instinct and right the time I followed Toade so my vote is for Forumite.

##vote: Forumite


I... don't really like this logic. This implies that your own instinct is pointing at someone other than Forumite - who would that be?

That said, some logic I do like is the case on Forumite. It's not just that he's been way less "pro-town" and "invested" than usual this game, although that's the biggest part of the case; but I still think there are some sketchy things in his filter - that first "don't lynch vets" post still rankles considering it came from someone who is pretty vet-ish.

##vote: Forumite
I think it´s unfortunate that my play while I can put down lots of hours into the game means I look bad when I don´t.
:3
Forumite
Profile Joined February 2011
Sweden3280 Posts
September 10 2012 22:32 GMT
#1678
On September 04 2012 17:05 BlackMamba24 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 04 2012 13:17 Maverick32x wrote:
Hey guys- got a chance to catch up and I have a couple thoughts.

First- Not totally comfortable voting Mattchew at this point.. I understand the potential for lying about the role claim.. and I'm not a big fan of role claiming in general... HOWEVER- I'd like to reiterate BlackMamba's post that said something to the tune of "ITT- Townies arguing with Townies" because I find that people are so quick to blame each other for stupid stuff that we end up wasting the first couple days with literally zero reason for voting someone besides "They drew a picture"....

That being said- I'd like to draw a little bit of attention to the first voter for whom I feel like I can make an actual observation on- Toadesstern.

The reason I want to focus on that is just because of the speed at which he strikes out just makes me wonder why that's beneficial from a town perspective? And I'm just wondering if he just wanted to try to promote chaos right away?? Also- consistently attacking other posters seems to be a trend....

this kid is scum if mattchew is
This is what I tried to push D2, it didn´t stick.
:3
Mementoss
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Canada2595 Posts
September 10 2012 22:34 GMT
#1679
I read all of day 3 and no one gave a good reason why they are voting forumite. Can someone explain? I will get to reading through the game eventually but, the way this day is going its just killing discussion.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uu96xMwFVXw
Toadesstern
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Germany16350 Posts
September 10 2012 22:40 GMT
#1680
We want to lynch him because we think he's mafia
<Elem> >toad in charge of judging lewdness <Elem> how bad can it be <Elem> also wew, that is actually p lewd.
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