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Bill Murray
United States9292 Posts
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strongandbig
United States4858 Posts
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slOosh
3291 Posts
On September 10 2012 12:34 strongandbig wrote: it could be because i'm really tired but what's the case on imallinson? I don't see it in his filter and i'm not sure if someone's actually made it yet What's your read on him? Stop dodging. | ||
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Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
On September 10 2012 10:11 Z-BosoN wrote: Because he would have killed austin N1!!!!! Confirmed blue role >>>>> vet townie Why should he? In PTP3 Matt was not just a 2-shot vig but a confirmed INFINITE-vig and everyone knew it. Mafia let him alive because he was wrong with what he said and Matt ended up killing a shitton of townies not targeting a single mafia for the whole game. The only mafia he killed was when someone used "confusion" against him which redirected his vig-shot to someone random and the hosts /rnd-25 hit a mafia n1. There's no reason to kill a townvig from a mafia PoV, especially if he's wrong with what he's saying/thinking, that is if he was wrong. That's an incredible easy judgement to do. Also as someone said otherwise: there's no reason to not claim vig prior to deadline if you are one. If you hit mafia you are instantly confirmed town and that's more helpful than a 2nd hit that may or may not hit another mafia. If you hit town mafia will leave you alive, won't RB you and will just play the wifom "why is he still alive" game while you keep on shooting townies. The fact that Austin did not claim is quite troublesome to be honest... I checked his filter and I wasn't able to find a breadcrumb for n2 either, so no idea if he shot while that information could possible give us an almost confirmed mafia right now.... Haven't checked for his n1 posts yet but I'll do that later and if I or someone else can find something there we're probably best to assume that he did not shoot n2. If nothing is to be found it's just a null. | ||
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strongandbig
United States4858 Posts
His filter isn't the longest, but neither is mine so I don't think that's a scum tell. There's nothing in there that screams "town" but unless I'm missing something (which is possible on account of it's 7AM and I'm still fucking awake) I don't see anything that would put him higher on my "maybe scum" list than, for example, you or forumite (people who have a certain town meta that they're not playing to) or Z-boson (because of all the things austin pointed out, including his hedging and tentativeness, plus the weird vig-direction focus he's had - which I thought was a shitty breadcrumb, but since Austin turned out to be the vig, turns out to just be weird.) So sloosh - why do you say I'm dodging? What is there to dodge? All those words up there explained my read, but it's exactly the same as before. If you want me to talk about him, then I assume it's for a reason and you didn't just pick his name out of a hat - but looking at his filter, I don't see what that reason is. | ||
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strongandbig
United States4858 Posts
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Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
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strongandbig
United States4858 Posts
and since it's the weekend it was the extra long night shift (9PM-7AM) TT____TT hence all the terrible spelling and capitlaisation i've been using for the past several hours | ||
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Kreb
4834 Posts
Also, it is fair to assume mafia doesnt have a vig at this point? On another topic, Murray seems town with his vigi read and the way he handled it. At least for now its believable. Forumite still really need to answer to the accusations of Toad from a while back though, which I assume he is going to. But even though people seem to be backing off the Forumite wagon I dont want that case Toad posted to go unanswered. | ||
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Kreb
4834 Posts
On September 10 2012 12:19 Bill Murray wrote: Ill answer that. I'd rather lynch imallinson today, contrary to what most of you believe. I'm leaving Toad/Forumite for now. If they're town, it will help the town. Actually, thinking some more about it, I retract my town-read since 10min ago on BM, at least until I get some more answers. @Murray Why would you leave Forumite considering what you (and Toad) had posted on him before? A very large part of the case against him was "town-forumite is helpful, Forumite this game isnt helpful, as such he is scum". However, now you're saying If they're town, it will help the town Why would you come to the conclusion it will help town considering hes been unhelpful so far? Also, supposing you are town, how could nailing another mafia be a bad idea? Lets look at some options: You town, Forumite anything. You should be happy to push the case on Forumite considering he's unhelpful alive. You mafia, Forumite town. If Forumites case gets pushed by someone else, you get towncred for backing off. Forumites gets left alone, you can always come back to the case later. You mafia, Forumite mafia. You try to save your mafia friend from a lynch with the reason that "he will be helpful if hes town", but should the case go to a lynch anyway, you can fall back on your read of him being scummy and can easily bus him while leaving the perception that you successfully scumhunted him. | ||
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ShiaoPi
TAIWAN NUMBAH WAN5956 Posts
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mkfuba07
United States1151 Posts
I'm not sure how much consideration people are still giving the night 1 kills, but this quote popped out at me as I was reading through the thread. On September 09 2012 07:03 austinmcc wrote: Also an option that mafia pretty much KNOWS ottox is gonna get killed. Half the town calling for him to be vigi-d. So town may have put a watcher on him to see who came calling. Mafia vigi shooting ottox gives him a legitimate claim later on, can be backed up by watching. Come to think of it...woulda been interesting if scum had suicided on Ottox last night, in hopes of catching blues on him. This seems to indicate that austinmcc had nothing to do with the ottox NK (why would he wonder about a kill that he carried out?), and unless town has two vigi - which I would guess is less likely than a single vigi - I assume scum carried out the kill for one reason or another. I also think that this is when they discovered that he was vigi, leading to his subsequent lynch. I'm not entirely sure what can be gained from this, but I did want to be sure to mention it because it stuck out to me, but only because I was reading with the foreknowledge that he was vigi. At the moment, I'm most suspicious of Z-Boson. A lot of his posts struck me as a bit off, especially his larger one following the BKE lynch and the one immediately before the last night post. I'm going to need to go through his filter before presenting anything to the class, though. | ||
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mkfuba07
United States1151 Posts
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Forumite
Sweden3280 Posts
On September 10 2012 10:52 Bill Murray wrote: No luck then. I had a hunch that it might have been a scumslip. I thought DYH heard a policy in the scum-QT, said it in the thread but couldn´t say in the thread where he heard it because it would have made himself and his scumbuddy look bad. He did answer. L. L doesn't feel that way anymore in reality; he's just trolling around with this poor guy, but he got replaced, so why does it matter now? Forumite why are you so scummyyyy | ||
imallinson
United Kingdom3482 Posts
On September 10 2012 10:31 slOosh wrote: Alright, had a chance to catch up and read up. I am getting iffy feelings from Forumite, but I'm going to wait on his evaluations of rereads to decide what he is. What made you assume that mafia had a vig? Nothing in particular. I was just assuming that the scum team had one of each power roles. I didn't have much to go on and BKE seemed scummy to me for other reasons so I thought his claim was a lie. The logic is a little on the circular side but at the time it made sense. Given that BKE was a watcher thus two kp is missing from night one and only two kp is there night two I'm starting to think that assumption was wrong. No idea why BM wants to lynch me. Then again I have no idea why BM does anything he does. I'm sure he will enlighten us all later but until then I'm just going to ignore that. | ||
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Bill Murray
United States9292 Posts
On September 10 2012 18:16 Forumite wrote: No luck then. I had a hunch that it might have been a scumslip. I thought DYH heard a policy in the scum-QT, said it in the thread but couldn´t say in the thread where he heard it because it would have made himself and his scumbuddy look bad. he may have i have a scumread on DYH and him getting replaced doesn't help to my naysayers, try to get a wagon on me going, it will only help me see who is scum | ||
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Bill Murray
United States9292 Posts
" the vig thing, and being up against Forumite | ||
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Bill Murray
United States9292 Posts
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Bill Murray
United States9292 Posts
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Bill Murray
United States9292 Posts
BEFORE N1 AND HE DIDNT DIE N1 AND I WOULD HAVE DEMANDED AT LEAST 1 KILL OUT OF THE SCUM KILLS AND HE WAS MY ONLY BLUE READ SO. | ||
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