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So I was reading some stuff over, and I really don't like this post, specifically the bolded part:
On September 04 2012 09:05 Forumite wrote:Finished with page 12. Show nested quote +On September 04 2012 08:22 DoYouHas wrote:
slOosh, my vote is neither stupid nor a throwaway. I have a friend who I consider a better player than me who has told me that getting BM out of the game quickly is always a good thing. It is meta as hell but it isn't stupid.
Toad's aggression towards you is completely null. You seem to be playing into your town meta so far, but I really won't know for sure until your first/second case. I dislike you voting a veteran based on meta. You don´t kill veterans, you wait for them to either 1) crush the scumteam or 2) get shot in the night. If they live too long without doing any good, THEN you maybe consider killing them based on meta. Show nested quote +On September 04 2012 07:49 Miltonkram wrote:First things first, here is a list of games I've played in and links to my filters from those games. I start all my games with a list like this because it helps me improve. If I'm scum, I have to avoid playing closely to my scum meta. If I'm town, I put pressure on myself to make good reads. The list is spoilered so as not to take up space. + Show Spoiler +I've got to go to work... on Labor Day T.T I'll be back in several hours. Leave me something to come back to. Too long, didn´t read. I´m not usually basing my reads upon meta that the player himself provided. Show nested quote +On September 04 2012 07:55 BlackMamba24 wrote:
My general stance is that every blue should ultimately do what they want. The environment of this game should not be about confirming blues and then doing what they say. Just because someone is innocent does not make them right in their convictions or accusations so it isn't of too much help really except for process of elimination.
If a town plan arises I'm not gonna be a part of it but I advice blue players to use their own judgment. Never lynch someone just because they wouldn't claim to the town leader or whatever, that's asinine, asiten, asieleven, asitwelve, etc.
Don't bother asking me for my reads because I will never post a list of reads and I hate it when other people post "reads". Thanks. What do you mean with the bolded part? It doesn´t make sense to me. Show nested quote +On September 04 2012 08:01 slOosh wrote:On September 04 2012 07:58 Toadesstern wrote:On September 04 2012 07:56 slOosh wrote:
Hapa, what is your idea of a town circle and how does it help us find / lynch / kill scum?
Toad - How is that useless stuff that has nothing to do with the game? The setup changed and maybe people haven't read the updates. I've asked you once and I'll do it again, what else do you want to talk about? I don't know what you want to talk about. I'm talking about your useless post being useless. Well BlackMamba's recent post just shows that people can miss information. My post has already proven itself useful, and your opening post which tries to discredit mine has not. Do you think I'm scum by my first post? What is your problem with Toades? Do you think he´s deliberately disruptive?
We should be killing people we think are scum, no matter the reason. It might be harder to catch a good player with meta arguments, but "veteran" doesn't neccessarily mean "good player" and there are people who have metas that are worth analyzing. I especially don't like this post because it comes from someone who, while not a "vet" in the same sense that BC/BM/BM are, is still definitely in the top third or quarter of players in this game in terms of experience. Seems a little self-serving.
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On September 07 2012 06:59 Toadesstern wrote:
strongandbig: That guy should be scared as shit about me but he isn't. Not at all. To be precise he's even pretty buddy-ish with me. I think he knows I'm not mafia. Do not like.
[snip]
Ottox definitly is the best lynch if he survives. BKE & S+B are mentioned because I want people to check their filter as well. I'm not set on lynching them yet but they're the best candidates I've got besides the "usual" ones. I'd rather not have people just forget about them.
So why should I in particular be scared of you in particular? Is it because I should be quivering in fear of your particularly stellar scumplay? Cause something about the ridiculous way you died last game makes you seem a lot less scary, as irrational as that is.
Now, I'm not sure how you think I'm buddying you. Unless you mean the "we're the only ones in the thread" thing - I see game-related buddying like 'ooh your reads are right on yeah way to lead the town' as being a lot scummier than 'hey man sup in the thread at this european hour or whatever', but whatever.
I was actually just going to ignore this whole thing because there's really not much for me to say about it ("you're buddying me! No I'm not! Yes you are!" doesn't really help anything), but it made me think a bit about you this game vs last game, and I wanted to ask something.
On August 22 2012 03:25 Toadesstern wrote:Show nested quote +On August 22 2012 03:19 HiroPro wrote:On August 22 2012 03:13 Toadesstern wrote:On August 22 2012 03:06 HiroPro wrote:
Hi toad. Why is your vote on someone who's not going to be lynched today? Why have you not talked about any of the actual cases that have been brought up recently? Because I'm still undecided so far. I'm just don't really like lynching people I never played with before d1 in general so I don't talk about imallinson at all because I want to have more time to get a proper read on him because I don't know what's "normal" for him and what's not. I'm sure you'll find my opinion on every other guy that has been mentioned so far as I actually played with most of the people in this game before. Call a name and I'll copy & paste the quotes but I'm sure you could just search for it yourself. Am I posting too much so that I'm like gonzaw or are you not reading my posts? You haven't said anything about Dirkzor either. I know you've played with Zeph before, VE has brought a case. I guess I just ninja'ed you. Not much of an opinion on Dirkzor right now. He's one of the guys I'd rather have a look at day-2 or day-3. Same goes for Zeph. Last game I wanted to lynch him because I found a couple of posts that read like scumslips to me and he ended up flipping mafia. So pretty much the same as Dirkzor: Rather leave him alive and check out d2 or d3. If he's mafia he'll slip soon enough. I'm really in favor of lynching vets d1 in general. That's why you'll mostly find me comment on those people because I feel more comfortable judging them even with fewer amounts of posts.
This is from last game - this game, instead it's
On September 07 2012 03:58 Toadesstern wrote:
I really don't like the cases on forumite (or vets in general this game) as they're incredibly far-fetched, which is obvious considering the fact that we're still on d1/n1.
That being said I still (somewhat?) agree with the conclusion but I'll post shortly before deadline :p
What changed? And don't say your alignment, from how highly you talk of your own scum play I know you wouldn't be doing something as simple as coming down on different sides of a policy question as scum vs town.
Now in terms of your process of elimination thing - the obvious biggest problem with that is that it assumes you're town. You've done this before, like when we were playing in mtg mafia. You even actually came right out when the last vet was dead other than you and said "but why would I say that as scum, it's setting myself up to be lynched later." That argument worked that time, but it also taught me to watch you when you start talking about vet balance.
That said, I think forumite is looking scummier than you are atm. I still really don't like his "don't use meta on vets" comment, and I don't think that's been addressed since I brought it up last time
Yeah I think the same person is looking bad as you do even though you just accused me of buddying you, deal with it.
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On September 08 2012 07:28 grush57 wrote:
AWWW SHEEEEEEEEEET.
I KNOW WHY TOAD CALLED ME SCUM
I FORGOT
STARSENSES.
lol i was worried
On September 08 2012 06:52 Toadesstern wrote:
grush is mafia. BKE's probably; if BKE's not mafia it's probably foru?
But I had almost no time today as friends came over so I'll have to reread things tomorrow. Haven't even read what happened the last 4 hours so far except for an incredible fast read.
toaaaaad why do you say grush is mafia?
ps this is a serious question. grush is like by far the easiest rando free scumread to throw around.
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I guess that could be a good point. Still, you're attributing a lot of planning and discipline to grush.
Anyway I've been reading over the case against bke. I was a bit hesitant at first because several times in the past, I've been super convinced he was scum when he actually wasn't. He's just inherently scummy.
But the thing that makes me feel better about this time is that there is a solid core to the case on him, the big shift about Mattchew. The case on him isn't just "look at his filter he's scummy as fuck," which is basically how I would describe his town play.
Still, not gonna vote quite yet. I want to see how things play out, and to decide whether or not I like how Forumite's been basically ignoring toad calling him scum. Not sure what to make of that yet.
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I don't think grush is scum. As far as I can tell the case on him from toad started off as "grush is trying harder to look/be townie than he usually does, therefore he must be scum." The alternative explanation is that maybe he's just trying harder to look/be townie? I played/obsed the recent PTP game, where grush survived until almost the end - that game, trolly as it was, was the towniest grush has ever been.
I'm still not entirely sold on BKE, but I feel much better about him than about Grush.
The claim, I don't know about. It's a very easy claim for mafia to make, and we can't prove it false or true, especially since he'll be able to claim roleblocked. There's the fact that if he checked the person who was suicide bombed he should be dead, but I give zero weight to the argument that's been made by some people that his claim is too weird to be made by mafia. If the claim is fake, it's possible that he was the one who delivered the KP on BC - or one of the two if he was double stacked - and the claim is designed to be safe against trackers and real watchers.
Anyway, I don't think we should ignore the case on him just because he claimed a PR. I agree with whoever it was up above who said that if we do that, then scum can just always claim PRs and get free extra life by claiming to be roleblocked.
So I'm back to the original core of the case against him - his scummy shift in position on Mattchew before and after Palmar's post in the thread. Sure it's not 100% a sure thing, but I like that case better than the case on Grush, and so ##vote: broodkingexe
pre-edit Reading over Austin's post right above mine it looks like some decent arguments on z-boson as well - big lists, not following up on his own stuff, inconsistency, etc. Also someone to consider.
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On September 09 2012 02:10 austinmcc wrote:
Hey strongandbig, are you around? Would you give your updated thoughts on BKE/grush, and give Z-boson a read?
oh lol
i take a while to type
i'll read through z-boson's filter while I eat dinner
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yeah so i just read through za-bosom's filter. I agree with austin that there is stuff not to like there, but I think two things.
1. his case on goodkarma seems genuine. What I mean by that is it doesn't just seem like casual distancing, but rather an actual attempt to point out problems with his filter. Now, this doesn't mean that boson isn't mafia - they could have already known they were going to use the suicide bomb. But it seems a bit early to be saying 'bro your filter sucks and is inconsistent' in the thread rather than in the scum qt.
2. he hasn't really followed up his case on maverickx since the start of day2 - interesting.
Yeah so atm I'd kinda rather lynch bkexe, but in general I think boson is definitely someone to keep a sharp eye on.
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On September 09 2012 02:45 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On September 09 2012 02:37 Hapahauli wrote:On September 09 2012 02:35 DarthPunk wrote:On September 09 2012 02:27 Hapahauli wrote:
Thankfully things are getting active in here again, but I wanted to discuss the BKE fake-claim a bit.
I think all of us agree that the likely order of events last night consisted of double-stacking one person, while suicide bombing the other (between BC and DrH). BKE's watcher claim suggests that it was BC who got double-stacked and BM24 who got suicide-bombed.
Now unless something about the Day2 post suggests otherwise, this seems highly unlikely. BC was much more of a confirmed town (after outing Mattchew) than DrH was. To the average reader here, BC would seem like much more of a target for blue actions (watcher, medic, etc.) during the night. Isn't it much more likely for mafia to have suicide-bombed BC? There would be a much higher chance of blue's visiting BC after he caught the first mafia. I find it so unlikely that DrH was suicide bombed (over BC), and this is why I'm doubting the BKE claim. This is irrelevant and not evidence. Regardless of your own opinion, mafia could have Bombed DrH and NK BC. It is possible. and thus BKE's claim is possible. Your preconceptions on what you would have done does not necessarily reflect what others did, and thus this in no way disproves BKE's claim. I'm not disproving anything - I'm saying it's highly unlikely given the dynamics of town Day 1. I'm talking about likelihood here. If you disagree with this, tell me why instead of spouting this "irrelevant" nonsense. Your interpretation of what is likely or not is based on your subjective perception of events. You started the wagon on BKE and thus your subjective perception of events is likely to be biased in a way that fits your case. If you want to talk about probability look at it this way. We have no idea what the thought process behind the kills were. 2 people died. there is a 50% chance that each was a night kill target. Thus BKE claim is plausible. But this is not relevant. What is relevant is the MOTIVATION. Why would BKE claim watcher over other roles which are less verifiable (mad hatter) and why would he not say that he watched DrH rather than BC if, as you say, it was so obvious BC was the suicide target. It is natural to choose the most plausible chain of events if you are lying. If you are telling the truth... you say what actually happened even though this may make you look worse. (WIFOM i know but I think this is still relevant)
if he was scum and actually delivered a kp on BC - whether they double stacked him or not - then claiming that he watched bc would make his claim proof against the possibility that he was tracked or that there was a real watcher on bc last night.
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##vote: toad for mayor
No but actually, you bring up a very good point. I played in WoF and Forumite this game does remind me of his play from that game.
That said, I think austin's case on z-boson is pretty good as well - he's hedging a lot, and his reasoning around the BKE vote really doesn't make much sense. So toad and austin, since both of you are pretty decent players and regardless of your own alignments are gonna be pretty good at mafia logic, what do you make of each others' cases?
One last thing - I don't have all that much time so I was looking through some shorter filters. What do people think of hopeless1der? His filter can be described as
- kind of a scummy waffle around the mattchew lynch
- tunneling forumite
Now, on the one hand I think forumite is a decent scum candidate; but seriously I don't think hopeless has talked about anything else for more than one or two lines. This is a contradiction for me from past games, where hopeless's filter has looked well-thought-out and where it's easy to get a town read on him.
Also I feel like there might be a contradiction here:
On September 05 2012 06:18 Hopeless1der wrote:Show nested quote +On September 05 2012 06:09 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On September 05 2012 05:57 Bill Murray wrote:On September 04 2012 09:36 Forumite wrote:On September 04 2012 09:12 Mattchew wrote:
I am a nosy neighbor. Anyone else with this role should insta-claim as well.
The reason people policy lynch people like BM and Grush is because they get by into later in the game because they are unreadable. This is because they barely actually play the game and if you end up in lylo with one of them left, you've basically already lost. I completely understand anyone wanting to policy lynch them, but we should also not allow them to be off the hook for some sort of scum read during the day.
That being said, I remember thinking to myself that I don't hate BM's play in the last few games I have been in with him. I do not want to policy lynch today.
Why would you claim this? You eliminated yourself as a possible blue from scums list of townies, and it´s not like you doing this eliminates you as a scum suspect. If someone see you visiting a player who dies the we´re lynching you anyway. check this scummy post from forumite 1) misreads the setup 2) attacks him with a smirk for the claim, which looks scummy as shit 3) takes the visiting thing a step further, saying "if they die" which clears a ton of scum roles... forumite is scum with a role FoS: Forumite Only real issue I have with this is that he didn't misread the setup to my knowledge. The setup was completely ambiguous on the Nosy Neighbor and required a mod to come in and clarify the situation. Aside from that I do get how you made the connections you did although he doesn't neccesarily have a scum role as my understanding of the setup would be mafia choose who makes a night KP given that no mafia can be responsible for more than 1 shot according to that mafia KP change. Thus any "non visiting mafia" would be "cleared" from suspicion. A mafia with a role can both use his action and take a shot. As an example, the mafia Vig can 'visit' and shoot two different players in the same night. I don't follow how the Scum KP mechanics make it unlikely that Forumite (or any potential scum) would NOT have a role, or for example, how a goon who stays home is cleared.
On September 08 2012 16:06 Hopeless1der wrote:
Unless someone claims a vig shot on GK, you're supposed to be dead right now. That was worse than Mattchew's claim.
insta-reaction was to throw water on bke's claim, even though he already knew a scum with a role could also deliver a factional kp. Now, I also didn't believe bke's claim, but it's not just that he didn't believe it - he discounted it with a reason that he already knew wasn't airtight.
Not sure how bad of a contradiction that is but I think it is a contradiction.
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On September 10 2012 07:42 Bill Murray wrote:I BROUGHT HIM UP AS A JOKE Show nested quote +On September 06 2012 07:06 Bill Murray wrote:
Austinmcc, what is your read on the Ottoxlol situation? His theories are over the top, right? What does that show about his alignment? Why? then i filtered him, and i was like, holy fuck this guy has 3 wall posts and is the most obvious blue I HAVE EVER SEEN but i didnt want to give it away, so i decided to engage him in questioning, as seen above Show nested quote +On September 06 2012 07:21 Bill Murray wrote:On September 06 2012 07:18 austinmcc wrote:On September 06 2012 07:06 Bill Murray wrote:
Austinmcc, what is your read on the Ottoxlol situation? His theories are over the top, right? What does that show about his alignment? Why? Looking through his profile, I see his only other game was LIII. So he's at least played, although not with me. But he knows that some of the people in this game played that game, he played with them, he knows they are competent individuals with functioning brains. It's the first time I've ever seen someone cling to something absolutely wrong in this manner. I have posted paranoid rants in two games, stuck by them for a while as possibilities, gotten upset if people wouldn't consider them as possibilities, but I didn't get like this. Right now (and if Matt flips scum I will be more certain of the read) I can't help but read the whole thing like this: - Matt got caught
- Ottoxlol tried to save him, without realizing how bad an idea it was
- Ottoxlol shortly realized how bad an idea it was
- A decent scum player told him right after he got caught looking very odd that he couldn't back off his defense, because then he'd look even scummier
- So he went full bore nuts, and that's why he won't listen to anyone or anything
It doesn't feel like he's just obtuse. At some point he'd get the message. It feels like he's clinging to this. Do me a favor, and go read Gravan's filter as if he were a scum idiot and then i encourage him to scumhunt, which he does. It was awesome. My questioning lead to him posting a little more, which may have bought him another cycle. IDK. Regardless, notice how I'm trying to get him to engage me in more scumhunting? I have no suspicion of him at all, not only do I figure he's town, I know he's blue/red, and I'm leaning blue at this point. He's not acting as per his townie meta, and he looks blue as shit versus being scum. He could be scum here, but that's why I'm questioning him at all, really, to see how he will react. Well, he reacted well, so I, as above, asked him about Gravan Show nested quote +On September 06 2012 08:34 Bill Murray wrote:On September 06 2012 08:32 austinmcc wrote:On September 06 2012 08:27 Bill Murray wrote:
ohhhh i get the bm/bm/bc thing now
yeah we're the 3 most obvious pro-town... regardless of alignment
possibly toad or even hapahauli... austinmcc is very pro-town as well, but i'd like to see more one liners from him On September 06 2012 08:25 Bill Murray wrote:
If Gravan gets vigged (lord willing) and flips scum, do you see any conclusions we can draw from it? Yes, that the scum team is trolling, because that would mean that they've all dun goofed hard. If matt claimed nosy neighbor AND ottoxlol defended him like he did AND gravan didn't check QT or nobody put something in QT saying "EVERYONE SHUT UP AND VOTE MATT," then I have a hard time believing there's a ... scum leader? I assume some of the players in this game have played real nice scum games, where they sort of orchestrated everyone's moves. If Ottoxlol and Gravan are both scum, then I have a difficult time believing that scum has such a player. At the very least that guy should be running damage control after Matt and ottoxlol make themselves obvious. if their "leader" is someone who is really into policy like Forumite or Toad then I could see a breakdown like this Without an overseer, you cannot see Dark Templar. Capiche? Notice how I'm FoS the "top scum" who is likely Forumite I don't think it's Toad - pretty sure he's town as per meta by now... he's just such a good player, that I'm wary of him. Back on track, and off tangent, the bolded line above is me saying "hey, you're blue, but don't worry about me... im not scum"
wait I'm confused what exactly you're saying here.
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On September 10 2012 08:46 strongandbig wrote:Show nested quote +On September 10 2012 07:42 Bill Murray wrote:On September 04 2012 19:37 Bill Murray wrote:
austinmc aka autismnc I BROUGHT HIM UP AS A JOKE On September 06 2012 07:06 Bill Murray wrote:
Austinmcc, what is your read on the Ottoxlol situation? His theories are over the top, right? What does that show about his alignment? Why? then i filtered him, and i was like, holy fuck this guy has 3 wall posts and is the most obvious blue I HAVE EVER SEEN but i didnt want to give it away, so i decided to engage him in questioning, as seen above On September 06 2012 07:21 Bill Murray wrote:On September 06 2012 07:18 austinmcc wrote:On September 06 2012 07:06 Bill Murray wrote:
Austinmcc, what is your read on the Ottoxlol situation? His theories are over the top, right? What does that show about his alignment? Why? Looking through his profile, I see his only other game was LIII. So he's at least played, although not with me. But he knows that some of the people in this game played that game, he played with them, he knows they are competent individuals with functioning brains. It's the first time I've ever seen someone cling to something absolutely wrong in this manner. I have posted paranoid rants in two games, stuck by them for a while as possibilities, gotten upset if people wouldn't consider them as possibilities, but I didn't get like this. Right now (and if Matt flips scum I will be more certain of the read) I can't help but read the whole thing like this: - Matt got caught
- Ottoxlol tried to save him, without realizing how bad an idea it was
- Ottoxlol shortly realized how bad an idea it was
- A decent scum player told him right after he got caught looking very odd that he couldn't back off his defense, because then he'd look even scummier
- So he went full bore nuts, and that's why he won't listen to anyone or anything
It doesn't feel like he's just obtuse. At some point he'd get the message. It feels like he's clinging to this. Do me a favor, and go read Gravan's filter as if he were a scum idiot and then i encourage him to scumhunt, which he does. It was awesome. My questioning lead to him posting a little more, which may have bought him another cycle. IDK. Regardless, notice how I'm trying to get him to engage me in more scumhunting? I have no suspicion of him at all, not only do I figure he's town, I know he's blue/red, and I'm leaning blue at this point. He's not acting as per his townie meta, and he looks blue as shit versus being scum. He could be scum here, but that's why I'm questioning him at all, really, to see how he will react. Well, he reacted well, so I, as above, asked him about Gravan On September 06 2012 08:34 Bill Murray wrote:On September 06 2012 08:32 austinmcc wrote:On September 06 2012 08:27 Bill Murray wrote:
ohhhh i get the bm/bm/bc thing now
yeah we're the 3 most obvious pro-town... regardless of alignment
possibly toad or even hapahauli... austinmcc is very pro-town as well, but i'd like to see more one liners from him On September 06 2012 08:25 Bill Murray wrote:
If Gravan gets vigged (lord willing) and flips scum, do you see any conclusions we can draw from it? Yes, that the scum team is trolling, because that would mean that they've all dun goofed hard. If matt claimed nosy neighbor AND ottoxlol defended him like he did AND gravan didn't check QT or nobody put something in QT saying "EVERYONE SHUT UP AND VOTE MATT," then I have a hard time believing there's a ... scum leader? I assume some of the players in this game have played real nice scum games, where they sort of orchestrated everyone's moves. If Ottoxlol and Gravan are both scum, then I have a difficult time believing that scum has such a player. At the very least that guy should be running damage control after Matt and ottoxlol make themselves obvious. if their "leader" is someone who is really into policy like Forumite or Toad then I could see a breakdown like this Without an overseer, you cannot see Dark Templar. Capiche? Notice how I'm FoS the "top scum" who is likely Forumite I don't think it's Toad - pretty sure he's town as per meta by now... he's just such a good player, that I'm wary of him. Back on track, and off tangent, the bolded line above is me saying "hey, you're blue, but don't worry about me... im not scum" wait I'm confused what exactly you're saying here.
specifically i mean the bread crumb thing or whatever it is you're claiming at the end.
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okay i'm out. I'll go sit in the dugout.
it's two am and i have to work for five more hours maybe i'll figure out what is going on during that time, but i doubt it.
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oh wait you meant yourself. my brain is not the hottest right now.
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soooo what i dont understand zaboson about that is why would him successfully figuring out austin is blue, make bill murry town?
austin just got killed lol, why is bm all like "hey bros i knew he was the vigilante trolol"
i mean for all we know austin would have shot someone last night but got roleblocked because someone like bm figured out he was the givbilante?
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i am going to pust at least once per hour in the thread from noow until i amdone with work at seven am
lets see how this goes
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On September 10 2012 09:27 Hopeless1der wrote:Show nested quote +On September 10 2012 09:01 Toadesstern wrote:This game is bullshit. How do you go from **vote foru to On September 10 2012 08:51 Bill Murray wrote:
Forumite's appeal to me to unvote him (though implied) shall be heard at this time.
I will be honoring my word as a man, and voting Shady Sands.
Z-BosoN is town, as is Toad, and possibly Forumite.
This I have decreed. I have decreed that I will hence forth be known as Toad, the Confused because this is giving me headaches. Why can't vigs just claim 5secs prior to deadline (that is if what Grush posted is truely the case) like they are supposed to do... Would make things way easier to figure out, especially in a game without notifications. See you tomorrow... need to reread A LOT Multi-shot vig shouldn't be claiming shots like that. However, if you're down to your last shot, I'd recommend claiming it early to prevent kp stacks or docs blocking town KP. Maybe the doc/jk would disagree and maybe its the scum vig, but I'd rather protect against scum factional KP if possible. (This all goes to shit if there's another suicide bomber...but I don't see that being likely)
this makes almost no sense.
"prevent docs blocking town kp"
either the doc or the vig is terrible in that situation and for the vig to claim the hit changes nothing. why would that make the doc change his read on the person he's protectiong lol
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On September 10 2012 09:24 Z-BosoN wrote:Basically he's screaming out loud he knows austin is blue. Given how he was addressing austin, and the crumbs, it sounds reasonable, and is confirmed with this quote: Show nested quote +Seems really inactive, however, so I'm not calling off a potential vig shot there... *looks at austin* Which is made AFTER night 1. However, his "crumbs", were made BEFORE night one, as were his other posts. If he actually suspected austin being blue, as mafia, it would be extremely advantageous to outright kill austin. He would be catching a blue in day one. I don't believe mafia would have the balls to note this and still not kill austin. My only concern is the possibility of him just leaving crumbs everywhere with his random comments. If you note, there's a lot of stuff you basically can't understand. I'm inclined to believe BM, however, because from his filter he clearly treated austin differently, something in which he did not do with anybody else. My questions are only to avoid this "random crumbing" theory I have, because otherwise that should be like a 95% clear.
there was a clear theme to the night one kills, they killed the vets who were pretty town looking and also good at scum hunting. I don't think the fact that scum didn't kill austin night one does anything to clear bill murray.
Like, I think he's probably town but I think it's weird that you're using this reason to call him conviremd.
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what?
okay bm maybe you can explain to me
why does "you realized that austin was blue" imply "therefore you are town?"
i don't understand that logic train.
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slooooooo-o-o-o-o-o-oooosh
why are you not playing like you normally do when you are town
On August 06 2012 05:10 talismania wrote:
5) Sloosh is a townie boyscout. that's his meta and he's playing to it. He may be scum I guess but I doubt it. He's active and corrals people towards lynches. If he's town, he should be a highpriority target. I also want him protected out of self-interest since if he dies people are going to push my lynch and that's going to be really annoying to deal with.
yoru not doing thissssss are you sucm or an assssassin?
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it could be because i'm really tired but what's the case on imallinson? I don't see it in his filter and i'm not sure if someone's actually made it yet
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EPT
