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On August 16 2012 21:26 Probulous wrote: Bad news guys. I found out today that my work has blocked TL.This means the amount of time I have available to read and respond is going to drop dramatically. Expect less posts but with more substance. Unless of course someone knows an easy way around this. ssh tunnel rdp vpn proxy pick your poison. | ||
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On August 16 2012 22:25 Obvious.660 wrote: Remote Desktop Logmein Just to add a couple. dude, rdp is remote desktop! What a scrub. | ||
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The tone in your post makes it impossible for me to think you're town. the gg no re is basically a statement that you're going to follow this through no matter what, which is something no one, no even the most dumb/stubborn townies would ever do. Basically you're so certain in your idea that my cop claim must be a lie, that it's almost irrelevant whether or not I'm telling the truth. Do we vote in this thread or is there a voting thread? In any case ##Vote VisceraEyes We never roll the same alignment btw. | ||
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On August 21 2012 02:32 VisceraEyes wrote: OMGUS much. I'm not gonna vote for you because I don't want to be accused of OMGUS but....could you get any more OMGUS? I just don't think so. obvScum imo imo. Also What the fuck is this? Do you think I'm scum? If so, why not vote for me? It's completely irrelevant what town might accuse you of if you have nothing to hide. Instead you refuse to vote for me based on nothing but fear for your own safety. There's two factions in mafia and only one of them puts their personal safety ahead of the progress of town. Lynch this guy. | ||
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On August 21 2012 03:35 marvellosity wrote: O.o Got anything to contribute beyond throwing suspicion on a perfectly good reasoning by DJ? | ||
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You bros cool with that? | ||
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I'm not joking with the random lynch btw. | ||
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Do you want to lynch that Obvious guy? | ||
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I have no idea how to react to the notion of Chez playing seriously. | ||
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It helps me understand how you play. | ||
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The one coherent post you've made so far is an idea you threw out against Obvious, which kind of makes sense. On August 22 2012 07:52 VisceraEyes wrote: Ooohhh...stick. Because people aren't scummily lurking until halfway through the day, right? Like, they could just not be around or not be aware of the game yet? I see what you're getting at. So what kind of thread-relevant stuff not related to lurkers do you suggest we discuss? You didn't seem interested in discussing the prospect of Palmar scum...my vote and Shady's vote has been on him for the majority of the game now I think - and while you vehemently disagreed with Palmar's random-lynching idea, you didn't seem to consider that such an anti-town idea could have come from scum. At least, if you did you didn't mention it in-thread. Sup? But while it's a sensible post to make, you take very little stance with it. Outside of this there is almost no content in your four pages of filter. So I'd really like it if you actually just took a look at two players or so and wrote a pretty clear analysis of their play so far. Feel free to pick any players you like in the game. | ||
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On August 22 2012 11:10 Bluelightz wrote: Scum because he was just telling people the obvious thing to do while not doing it himself but Town because for his response. What obvious thing to do was he telling people to do without doing it himself? Can you quote the post directly? | ||
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Do you think there is no reason to be looking at the players at the moment? If the day was ending today, who would you vote, and why? | ||
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I'm working on this project where I try to order the people in the game from the least scummy to the most scummy I'd like some input on where and why people should place. Are you familiar with the meta of any of these players? I don't know half the people in this game. | ||
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marv kville Chez bluelightz obvious shady VE talis Lvdr This is my list at the moment, but it's still very, very rough. And to be fair, there's a distinct lack of people who are actively trying to look town, the closest thing is your analysis on my play. marv seems to not give many fucks but he hasn't actually said anything relevant in the game so far. I really need to refine this list of players to get an idea if I'm wrong or not. Do you agree with my ranking, and what would you change? | ||
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Kville hasn't posted at all, which says nothing about his alignment, but everyone else has posted or done something dumb for the most part. I honestly have no idea how to deal with Chezinu playing normally, I guess we need to wait until he busts out his list, he always does that, and then try to see how wrong he his. Despite his normally troll-ish style, Chez is very, very accurate in his scum-reads. Bluelightz came into the thread guns blazing at obvious, but then immediately backed off. When I pressured him for it and asked him to provide reasons as to why he thought obvious was scummy in the first place, he disappeared from the thread again. He has yet to respond as to why he thought obvious was scummy, so it may be that he was simply bandwagoning something I was doing. Normally this would set off major alarms, because it's not only stupid, but also very, very strange for a townie to act like that, but I've been burned before, BL does ridiculous stuff all the time. | ||
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On August 22 2012 19:07 Djagulingu wrote: So they are going to lurk to the death? As if we will allow that? I don't know actually what I would do if I had rolled scum in this game, which is my first. I'd probably try to look as protown as possible and try to conduct mislynches and avoid omgus nks. I probably wouldn't lurk in either alignment. It's easier to take a stance. Admitting lurking is something I'm not sure scum would do. | ||
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While it doesn't absolve marv of being mafia, that vote says absolutely nothing about Marv's alignment, and you seem to have decided not to dig any further into his play in the game. In fact, any reasonable townie would realize that there's nothing about "being first" that increases marv's chances of being scum. Why did you only consider him? You're not dumb enough to think the mafia team would decide to all vote randomly like that, are you? Why did you not even mention the other people going after you? | ||
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On August 23 2012 13:49 Obvious.660 wrote: ##VOTE: Palmar Still not sure if this one is the serious about his random lynch. Talky please. ##FOS: Kville for being too much like YourHarry. In fact, anyone who exhibits YourHarry-isms will be policy lynched, shot, and lynched again. Completely serious, but it's irrelevant by now because the window to do it has passed. I'm 10 pages behind, need to read. | ||
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On August 23 2012 12:45 VisceraEyes wrote: Because it helps them choose who to night-kill. The connections you're referencing can be more effectively gained through who he wants to kill - after all, he could list off several town reads and all of them be equally meaningless as the game goes on (reads change). You can't UNkill someone. Don't teach the newbies bullshit. It's completely fine, if not good, to share your town reads. | ||
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I've decided to give you the chance of being town VE. So let's work together on this one now. I am currently writing a summary of how I feel about the thread, can you stick around for an hour or so to discuss shit? | ||
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Give me three people you want to lynch, while I'm writing my big post. | ||
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I have a theory that GM trolled me this game, and everyone rolled scum, that's how you guys seem to be playing anyway. VisceraEyes is the key to this game. Early on I suspected him heavily of being scum, but his constant flip-flopping and random attacks, along with a surprisingly well thought out accusation of Lvdr made me rethink my stance on him, and at the moment I'm going to risk counting him among town. So now that I've put VisceraEyes in the town category, it's time to start thinking about how people connect to him, and have reacted to his presence. I'd like to congratulate the scumteam though, there's not a single one of you completely obvious by now, which is strange. Lvdr: Lvdr does have a few weird things in his filter indeed: On August 22 2012 11:46 Lvdr wrote: @Palmar You've gone all silent on me. I have questions. Recycling my questions is hardly relevant, especially since he was the one claiming the game was in "downtime". Which to any sane townie should mean that the heat needed to be turned on, instead of just accepting shitty play. This doesn't make him scum though, he might just have no idea how the game works. Asking for an explanation of the random lynch strategy is dumb, but I've seen enough dumb people do it to not try to link it to him being scum. I also hate the constant ##FOS bullshit, it's pointless, no one gives a fuck about what you suspect if you have nothing to act on it. Lvdr has multiple things that make me think he might be scum. And the point VisceraEyes made about him assuming VE is town, is actually quite valid. The problem is that once again there's a chance Lvdr might just be a townie who assumes VE is town. talismaniac: Very little content. He's been completely non-commital throughout the game. There exists a connection between him and Lvdr, in the form of talismaniac sheeping VE immediately based on the "scumslip" that happened. This doesn't necessarily mean they cannot both be scum (lvdr and talis), but it makes it less likely. talis also has an extremely large percentage of his posts focused somehow on VE, I'm not sure what to make of it. If we do default to a lurker lynch, I think talis should be the one hanging, he's basically done nothing through the game. Obvious: This is the problem when play with new people, I have no idea how bad obvious is at mafia. List of obvious's achievements this game: 1. talk like yoda for a bit 2. talk about policy lynches 3. post an analysis on kville, basically rehashing what had already been said 4. try to lynch me on dumb policy anyway. Here's the problem. Obvious's play is completely fucking terrible. the question remains, is he scum because of it? He's basically throwing away any intention of actually trying to scumhunt by wanting to lynch me based on the fact that I want to randomly lynch a guy on day 1. Now everyone knows by now that the random lynch has nothing to do with alignment, it's been suggested by townies and scum throughout tl mafia games, and the effort involved is simply typing "hey let's random lynch, ok guys?". It's a complete and utter null tell about someone's alignment. What is interesting is that Obvious has completely neglected to look at my play beyond that notion. If you want to lynch someone, you have to look at what he has done in the game. Trying to lynch me is not scummy, per se, it's how he's trying to lynch me. Can someone who's played with obvious before tell me just how bad he is? Like you have to be pretty fucking bad to think this kind of playing is valid, but I've lynched terrible townies before... marv Fuck you marv, if I had a gun I'd shoot you for being useless and terrible. Shady Having not played with him before and knowing nothing about the guy, I wrote him off as a pointless townie. Some people seem to be suggesting that he might be much more outspoken when he's town. There's a link between shady and ve, it's very unlikely they're scum together, but seeing as I think VE is town, that's kind of redundant. He might well be scum, for all I know, but not knowing his meta there's nothing glaringly obvious about his play at the moment. Kville Strange one, similar position to obivous. He came into the thread in the worst possible way, but I like his attitude after fucking up. There's no persistance on the marv vote, he's willing to reconsider his stances and such. I already explained how I felt about him coming into the thread here: On August 22 2012 22:01 Palmar wrote: Kville it's not an unreasonable thing to do by marv to cast his vote on you, when at the time you had simply not posted in the thread. While it doesn't absolve marv of being mafia, that vote says absolutely nothing about Marv's alignment, and you seem to have decided not to dig any further into his play in the game. In fact, any reasonable townie would realize that there's nothing about "being first" that increases marv's chances of being scum. Why did you only consider him? You're not dumb enough to think the mafia team would decide to all vote randomly like that, are you? Why did you not even mention the other people going after you? I'm going to roll the dice on town for this guy. I'll probably write more and make a decision what I want to lynch at the moment I'm leaning obvious. | ||
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Only problem is the fact talis went immedaitely for your shot on lvdr what do you think about obvious? | ||
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On August 23 2012 19:32 VisceraEyes wrote: Palmar: if by "went immediately for" the scumslip thing you meant "noncommittally mention agreement" then sure. I want a little more in the way of commitment when I'm talking about people agreeing with what I perceive to be a blatant misstep by scum if we're talking about "connections". Like the way marvellosity dismisses it out of hand. THAT'S the kind of passion I'm looking for. he did vote, didn't he? But yeah, I'm not sure. | ||
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##Vote Obvious For reasons outlined in my post. tl;dr version: 1. Posts generic stuff (discussing lurker lynches and such) 2. Spends an absurd amount of time obsessing about my random lynch idea 3. His only attempt at scumhunting is basically rehashing what people already said about Kville 4. Wants to lynch me on something that's a null-tell, without any attempt at further analysing my play. Please go along with this guys. | ||
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On August 23 2012 20:53 marvellosity wrote: Palmar, talk to me a little here - you don't mention Chez at all, but I'm getting red from his whole sane/not sane/trolly/not scumhunting thing. What are you seeing?? I'm seeing Chez. He voted obvious, I still want him to do a list of mafia, but it's not like I can force Chez to do that. I don't see a reason to lynch him right now. | ||
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On August 23 2012 22:02 Shady Sands wrote: The problem with the bad townie defense is that every tell associated with being a bad townie could also be associated with being scum. So KV constantly arguing he's a bad townie is a null tell in my opinion, which means he's done nothing to dissociate himself from the case on his head. On the other hand, if he built a case on something other than OMGUS, he might be able to persuade me. It's your responsibility to find out which one is true. | ||
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Although to be fair, Lvdr is a decent lynch too, the difference is that Lvdr has only been scummy in a possibly lazy scum way, instead of downright doing inane shit like Obvious. Chez, you should be helping me kill Obvious. | ||
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i hate that shit with a passion obvious, no matter your alignment, voting yourself is playing against your win condition. fuck this shit. rethinking, will post later | ||
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Also it's always been hard to lynch scum on day 1. | ||
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Why are people not voting him? | ||
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On August 22 2012 18:32 Palmar wrote: Bluelightz came into the thread guns blazing at obvious, but then immediately backed off. When I pressured him for it and asked him to provide reasons as to why he thought obvious was scummy in the first place, he disappeared from the thread again. He has yet to respond as to why he thought obvious was scummy, so it may be that he was simply bandwagoning something I was doing. Normally this would set off major alarms, because it's not only stupid, but also very, very strange for a townie to act like that, but I've been burned before, BL does ridiculous stuff all the time. | ||
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That doesn't make this lynch terrible, and marv is probably scum. | ||
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Good night. | ||
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I don't even care if obvious is scum or not now, this is hilarious enough on it's own. I love how that 2 minute conjured up spreadsheet made you all give up on bluelightz. lol | ||
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On August 24 2012 10:52 Shady Sands wrote: Were you the eighth guy browsing the spreadsheet? Why weren't you posting in the thread? I was playing dota, what are you talking about? I just came back to the thread. | ||
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you have 3 minutes. | ||
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nothing can be changed now anyway... | ||
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http://webchat.quakenet.org/?channels=TLMafia come play IRC mafia, we need a few more for a game! | ||
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If you have roles use them wisely. if we have a jailer I don't mind being locked up. If we have a vigilante shoot into the lurkers please. Talis is a good target, maybe shady. marv is a decent target too and perfection. Just pick one. cops go for higher profiles. whatever, just don't be an idiot with your roles. | ||
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alas, no medics, I die, VE gets replaced, town becomes disorganized and does stupid shit. | ||
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