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On August 14 2012 15:31 Probulous wrote: Welcome master Djuligling... Djililug... Welcome new mafia player. Have you played here before? Nope, this will be my first game. *Reads through a pile of Mafia guides* *Crosses fingers for a monarch role* | ||
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On August 14 2012 16:48 Probulous wrote: You sir are a gentleman. I tip my hat to you If that game is full I would be more than happy to have you join this game with us. Good luck my crazy named friend Turns out that that game is full (2 empty slots along with 3 untaken signups before mine). I want back /in if you still accept me. | ||
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On August 14 2012 20:57 marvellosity wrote: be open, transparent, and forthcoming with your opinions and you'll be fine Thanks and good luck with the game you're hosting | ||
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On August 14 2012 21:16 GMarshal wrote: Also, be ready for everyone to misspell your name. Consider possibly into finding a coach if this is your first game. If you have no idea who to look at for coaching, send me a pm. And read the guides, you'll have a better experience if you do. I would happily be ready for people misspelling my name during votings I reserve the rights of rejecting the legitimacy of the vote if voter misspells my name + Show Spoiler + Just kidding of course but i still would like people to spell at least as close as possible, people talking about me an me not giving a fuck because everyone seems to be talking about someone else would be awkward for the game :D | ||
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On August 15 2012 06:29 Hapahauli wrote: /out /obs Unfortunately I'll have to sit ths one out - there's no way I'm going to devote enough time to read the thread in the next week. I'll be travelling for the next few days, and I have grad school starting up right after. Sorry folks. Good luck with your grad school. I was pretty excited to play with/against you after your stunning performance in Newbie Mini Mafia XXIII and the praises you got there. | ||
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On August 15 2012 07:52 Probulous wrote: OK this lineup is looking fine! Can I request that this not start on the weekend unless it is Sunday night PDT? I am always busy on weekends and hate missing Day 1 action. @Djagulingu I hereby dub you DJ-lingu, or DJ for short. Sorry mate but we all get nicknames. DJ-Lingu sounds fine (in fact, if I had a name change now, I would probably change my nickname into this) and monday is OK for me as well. | ||
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On August 16 2012 18:44 Chezinu wrote: lol, by the time you made this post. I was eating ramen! True story. I was eating some shitty company food at the company I'm doing my internship at. FML | ||
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채팅, it doesn't have "da" at the end, not according to gTranslate at least. | ||
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So what you wrote is "Jeshinwoo is the best", not "Cheshinu is the best". If you replace your Chezinu with mine, you're better off. | ||
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WIFOM? OMGUS? You blew my mind. | ||
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On August 16 2012 21:21 Chezinu wrote: Thank you! I will use 체시누 then Djagulinguist is the best too! OMGUS. Here is another nickname I got in the mafia forums. The previous ones include but not are limited to: 1- Djuligling 2- Djililug 3- lingu 4- DJ-lingu 5- DJ 6- Djagulinguist I heard mafia guys all get nicknames but the number of nicknames I got called up to now is pretty close to the number of my posts in Mafia subforum. + Show Spoiler + Not that I complain about it though, I'm becoming more of a confirmed townie among TL Mafia Community | ||
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On August 16 2012 22:28 marvellosity wrote: you missed VE's Jangalang oh you have a nickname alright. You see? YOU SEE? (I for some reason remembered a very old Sen video) I have so many nicknames that even though I received all of them in a 5-page thread, I can still miss out some while listing. Good thing I wrote "include but not are limited to". | ||
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On August 16 2012 21:26 Probulous wrote: Bad news guys. I found out today that my work has blocked TL.This means the amount of time I have available to read and respond is going to drop dramatically. Expect less posts but with more substance. Unless of course someone knows an easy way around this. Yours is still OK. I can't enter quicktopic from work or home but I can enter quicktopic from school's PC Lab (FML). How's that for a block. I don't understand shit about unblocking blocked websites shit, but i can suggest www.ktunnel.com (worked wonders when the country that share its name with a bird species blocked youtube, i still use it to enter some nsfw sites). | ||
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On August 16 2012 22:40 marvellosity wrote: Covering yourself in advance, I like it Thanks, i appreciate I don't want to be mistaken as a scum this early on. | ||
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On August 17 2012 00:23 Bluelightz wrote: /replacement Player list is too godly to not to :-D. My nickname is BL :D This newbin in my blood, it came from a family tree. My grandaddy was a newb. My great great grandadddy was a newb. I'm talkin' bout newbin been since newbin since been newbin SINCE BEEN NEWBIN. + Show Spoiler + newbin been since newbin since been newbin SINCE BEEN NEWBIN. newbin been since newbin since been newbin SINCE BEEN NEWBIN. newbin been since newbin since been newbin SINCE BEEN NEWBIN. | ||
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Let's practise it, where is ma leenches, where is ma leenches.. you gotta say it together, it goes in together.. wheremaleenches.. ok check this out, wherem'leenches | ||
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On August 17 2012 12:38 BroodKingEXE wrote: Lol how many SC nerds are at your work? Enough to fill 2 4v4 BGH games I suppose. This is the 2nd company I'm currently an intern at and nobody blocks teamliquid. One of my co-internees from the previous company got warned because of excessive bandwidth usage which is caused by watching TL streams and yet TL didn't get banned even after that. | ||
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To the country that shares its name with a bird species + Show Spoiler + Turkey that is | ||
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On August 19 2012 21:15 Palmar wrote: role received, I'm a cop. Day -1 role claim? Hell yeah. I didn't receive my role PM btw, don't know if that's only me or not. | ||
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On August 19 2012 22:28 marvellosity wrote: ... lingu. come now. Uhh... | ||
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On August 21 2012 02:32 VisceraEyes wrote: OMGUS much. I'm not gonna vote for you because I don't want to be accused of OMGUS but....could you get any more OMGUS? I just don't think so. obvScum imo imo. Also The irony is palpable. Actually I think that VE looks twice as much scummy as Palmar. Since Palmar did his balls-to-da-wall day -1 dtclaim, VE is trying to get pointless discussions and OMGUS chains off of it. Just look at this post. Full of stupid purposeless shitty shit. Zero contribution to the scumhunt, does not support well-structured discussion, only blatant and poorly supported accusations accompanied by not-so-cleverly hidden message, which tells Palmar that VE and his scumbags will kill him, that is if they fail to utilize a bandwagon on him. ##FoS VisceraEyes | ||
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On August 21 2012 03:06 marvellosity wrote: Jaggy-lu, you need to work on your blue-claim analysis I got interested in "who is trying to benefit from the blue-claims" rather than "whether the guy is actually a blue or not". Scum may be cooperatively working in that, one scum might do a blue-claim with the others trying to generate a chaos of it, but I don't think scum would do such a move. It might lead a lynch for one of them. If they're both scum, losing one person in the day 1 just won't work for them. VE might or might not be a scum trying to benefit from a rc or Palmar might or might not be a dtclaiming scumbag. But scum wouldn't risk one of them dtclaiming, trying to generate chaos out of a dtclaim is a lot safer for them. | ||
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On August 21 2012 06:03 VisceraEyes wrote: Like, there's a defense to be made...I'm just not seeing it. I posted scummy as shit. How about.... I got it. Pro-town atmosphere. Right guys? Right? Well, first time in the thread, you have posted something good. Something that implies your awareness about the accusations on you and the reasoning behind those accusations on you. But, well... Defending these accusations won't be as easy as posting distractional shit like "pro-town atmosphere" shitty shit. However, despite all of that, I don't want to be ruthlessly attacking a single person just because he made a scummy post or two. If I start pushing that bandwagon, there might be people that push that bandwagon with me into a day -1 mislynch. All in all, my FoS on you still stands and it will stand until you convince me that my suspicions on you are false, but I won't let that turn into a bandwagon unlike Palmar is trying to do here: On August 21 2012 05:12 Palmar wrote: What the fuck is this? Do you think I'm scum? If so, why not vote for me? It's completely irrelevant what town might accuse you of if you have nothing to hide. Instead you refuse to vote for me based on nothing but fear for your own safety. There's two factions in mafia and only one of them puts their personal safety ahead of the progress of town. Lynch this guy. Considering a scummy post or two from VE, this is fast. I mean, so fast. He might be a naive townie who is impulsively thinking that VE is a scumbag, or a scumbag trying to create a chaotic atmosphere that will eventually lead us into a potential mislynch. Palmar might be talking by the wisdom of a DT check on VE, or pretending to be doing so. I think we should keep en eye on Palmar just as well, while waiting for the defense from VE about his scummy behavior here. | ||
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On August 21 2012 06:56 VisceraEyes wrote: Jangalang leaving himself backdoors out of everything. HEY GUYS LOOK HOW HARD I AM COMMITTING TO THIS STANCE but maybe we should reconsider too. ##Vote: Jangalang Having backdoors out of everything? I'm just trying prevent impulsiveness leading us into poor decisions. Overcommiting on something that may lead us to a possible mislynch will harm us in 2 ways: 1- We lose a townie 2- We don't get any information in the exchange As town, we're racing against the clock to stop scumbags. If they force mislynches, they conquer the town over our corpses by picking us off like muta flocks do to stray marines. We should just stick together and filter out the scum while not overcommiting to lynching single individuals this early in the game and staying away from anything that will lead us into early mistakes. By the way, I expected and am still expecting a good defense from you, rather than poor accusations and calling names. | ||
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"We all the same, no calling names" | ||
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On August 21 2012 07:16 marvellosity wrote: ##Vote: Dingaling too many words, don't wanna read ##Vote: marvellosity 1- OMGUS 2- Too many one-liners 3- Trying to promote chaotic atmosphere by trolling each and every single person who is trying to contribute and trying to lose important arguments in your troll posts and spams. 4- Calling names 5- Doing a bad job of #4 6- Being notorious for rolling scum (that was you, right?) | ||
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On August 21 2012 07:24 marvellosity wrote: you just described my town meta well done I'm not sure about it. Basing reads on metas can easily lead us into mislynches or letting scum get away just because some player decided to play differently for a variety of reasons. | ||
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On August 21 2012 07:36 VisceraEyes wrote: Add fear-mongering to the ever-growing list of reasons I want to lynch Jangalang. "Thinking this way could lead us to a mislynch. Considering things like that could easily lead to a mislynch. Lynching based on that could lead to a mislynch." Everything can lead to a mislynch. I think lynching you isn't one of them. Again, what would you gain from lynching me? Your post clarifies nothing in terms of what the town gains from it. | ||
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On August 21 2012 07:40 marvellosity wrote: VE knows what's up. time to sheep See what you do now VE? You're doing nothing but creating a possible bandwagon for scumbags. | ||
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On August 21 2012 07:43 VisceraEyes wrote: The benefits are self-evident if you consider them in context. My vote is on you because I think you're scum. If you're scum, there's a clear advantage for removing you from the game via lynch. I don't have to tell the thread why lynching scum is a gain for town, it literally goes without saying. Good thing you're only basing your entire campaign on a gut-feeling that I'm a scumbag and not on the thought that says that I'm a 14 year old boy whose real name is Dingaling Jangalang. I don't want to know how you'd act like in that condition. By the way, this looks like something more than just a gut-feeling. You know something that we don't know. You're throwing the "Lynch Djangbang" thing out of nowhere and saying that I'm a scumbag. You won't do a bus play on the day -1 (which requires me actually being a scumbag just like VE), so you're trying to get me mislynched. ##Unvote ##Vote: VisceraEyes | ||
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On August 21 2012 07:52 marvellosity wrote: or the best case in the thread that i agree with :OOO die scum This is either a horribly bad townplay or another scum we got here. #FoS marvellosity | ||
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On August 22 2012 08:23 VisceraEyes wrote: AND WHERE THE FUCK IS JANGALANG?! On August 22 2012 11:13 VisceraEyes wrote: I'm still perturbed by lack of Jangalang too. Taking my sleep of beauty boy, I need to look good in the company I'm doing my internship. On August 22 2012 08:35 talismania wrote: Hey people I don't know: who are you and how you play? How I play? Well, wish I played long enough to know it. This is my first game of Mafia in my life. On August 22 2012 08:39 VisceraEyes wrote: He wants your thoughts on your peers - how do they play, how is their skill level. He wants you to analyze them as players for the good of the town. Good idea to be honest, let me start with this: On August 17 2012 05:33 Djagulingu wrote: This newbin in my blood, it came from a family tree. My grandaddy was a newb. My great great grandadddy was a newb. I'm talkin' bout newbin been since newbin since been newbin SINCE BEEN NEWBIN. + Show Spoiler + newbin been since newbin since been newbin SINCE BEEN NEWBIN. newbin been since newbin since been newbin SINCE BEEN NEWBIN. newbin been since newbin since been newbin SINCE BEEN NEWBIN. However though, meta analysis doesn't work pretty well with people that have short history or Chezinu. So, in order to analyze two of us, we have to figure out what the guys (chezinu and me, you know... jangalang, dingaling, djingbing, whatever you call me). Unlike me though, Chezinu is easier to figure out. If someone knows what him/herself is doing, you can know what he/she is doing too. The problem with me though is I do not (Newbin been since newbin since been newbin since been newbin baby). _________________________________________________ OK, back to actual game stuff: On August 22 2012 09:48 Lvdr wrote: To jump back to the rando-lynch topic: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=359836¤tpage=12#235 In this post you explain the strategy, but it doesn't seem particularly strong. 1. There is a good argument for a townie to be against it: more likely to kill town than mafia. 2. If it becomes policy, mafia would have to be insane to try and back out... particularly after a name is chosen. 3. If it is adopted unanimously, there will be no 'voting evidence' to look at later on in the game. I agree with lovedoc in this. Random lynch is stupid imo and gives no discussion base for day 2 and imo it means that we're doing the scum's job for them. Lynching based on d1 reads seems better to me. The idea of random lynch is too stupid to be put in action. My first impressions about the reasons why Palmar threw it in were: a) Palmar is a townie and trying to go for individual pickoffs starting from people who are FOR the random lynch b) Palmar is a townie and trying to go for individual pickoffs starting from people who are AGAINST the random lynch c) Palmar is a scumbag and trying to create bandwagons for people who are AGAINST the random lynch claiming that the guy is not a townie just because they gave a thumbs down on the random lynch. (Note: Marv told me that sometimes things are just the way they look in mafia, which I don't agree for this particular case) Then I saw this post of Palmar: On August 22 2012 11:16 Palmar wrote: @Lvdr you seem to be pretty solidly against the idea of a Random Lynch, yet you've so far offered no true alternative to it, besides a weak accusation of Shady. In fact you're calling for VE to explain something in a perceived "downtime" which I'm not quite sure how to interpret. Do you think there is no reason to be looking at the players at the moment? If the day was ending today, who would you vote, and why? Which eliminated the option a from my list. VE seems to be FOR the random lynch (or he's copycatting Chezinu), which Palmar didn't pick on. On August 22 2012 11:02 Palmar wrote: I'd like to hear what caused you to suspect him in the first place Bluelightz, even if you seem to have then backed out of the idea of him being scum. It helps me understand how you play. I think it is irrelevant. He just tried to bait him in, couldn't get the bait he wanted to get, backed out. It looks like a) He's going for individual picking method and trying to really scumhunt b) He's a scum trying to pretend he's joining the pro-town discussions and shit and may lurk the rest of the day off. If he tries to lurk the rest of the day off or just try to do the same trick for more times, he'll look scummy to me. Nice little cute trick though, he might employ that in the future. So, up to now, my reads are: 1- Lovedoc: He looks like just a friendly neighbourhood townie, who seemed to be in for traditional ways. 2- Palmar: He either seems like a DT or a scum, more likely to be a DT. I don't know which one, but it is irrelevant. Either way, he's going to give away scumbags. 3- VE: His style seems... trollish? Posting short and contentless stuff while observing the thread and people, then makes his move. 4- iamperfection: Lurky player, controversial posts, not a good read up to now. An odd idea (random lynch for the particular case) is not necessarily a stupid one (whereas stupid ones are necessarily odd ones). I think the idea is pretty stupid too, I agree with Lovedoc's reasons on that. 5- Bluelightz: Nice little tricks, looking like trying to get into the pro-town discussion. At least looking like. VE's FoS on Shady took my attention at the last minute though, I'll check his filter too. | ||
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On August 22 2012 15:49 VisceraEyes wrote: If only you knew sir. LOL I love unbiased observations. "If you only knew The trials and tribulations we been through But if you only knew We're real people homey, just like you We humble, but don't mistake us for some corny ass crew What we do, is try to give you what you ain't used to" Reminds me of this song: On August 22 2012 15:53 VisceraEyes wrote: Yes please...comment on my only bit of real actionable content before you write me off as trollish Dj. I am not trying to "write you off as trollish" dude, I shit you not. In fact, your posting seems like a progamer's apm patterns, high amount of spamming in the early game combined with low percentage of actual in-game actions which in the later game turns into no spam and all in-game actions. Or is it? I don't know your style that much to know if it's true or not. I just saw the early game. I guess that's what happens if SC community plays mafia. | ||
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On August 22 2012 18:16 Palmar wrote: Just so it's clear I would probably be ok with lynching Shady at this point. I think you're ok with lynching anyone, not just shady. | ||
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On August 22 2012 18:22 Palmar wrote: Alright. I kind of liked your analysis on my play because you seem to be at least applying the thoughts required to scumhunt successfully, not jumping to a conclusion while still not being afraid to take a stance. I'm working on this project where I try to order the people in the game from the least scummy to the most scummy I'd like some input on where and why people should place. Are you familiar with the meta of any of these players? I don't know half the people in this game. I'm a little bit familiar with how shady plays. He lurked to the death as scum in Newbie MM 23 (which was his first game as far as I know), was pretty active and attended the scumhunt pretty well in 24 up until he got lynched at the end of day1. Meta analysis suggests that this Shady we have seen up to now is more like the scum one in Newbie MM 23. However (I don't know how big of a factor this is but) he could be a lot less easygoing in his first game of mafia, being a scum is another factor contributing to that, just like this being his first game against bigger dawgz (which I'm not one of) and not newbies might also cause him being less easygoing. On the other hand though he might have taken lessons from NMM23 as well, which may help him adapt his scum play better into bigger dawgz. I don't know and can't estimate how well or poorly he adapted though. Other than that, I'm not familiar with any of the players, except for the notorious troll Chezinu (from BH's explanations in this thread). | ||
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On August 22 2012 18:27 Palmar wrote: DJ marv kville Chez bluelightz obvious shady VE talis Lvdr This is my list at the moment, but it's still very, very rough. And to be fair, there's a distinct lack of people who are actively trying to look town, the closest thing is your analysis on my play. marv seems to not give many fucks but he hasn't actually said anything relevant in the game so far. I really need to refine this list of players to get an idea if I'm wrong or not. Do you agree with my ranking, and what would you change? Lovedoc looks less scummy imo, but my reads are probably not as sharp as yours, whereas bluelightz looks more scummy imo. My list would be something more like: Palmar marv Chez Lvdr obvious VE kville bluelightz shady talis | ||
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On August 22 2012 18:56 Palmar wrote: Thing is though, it seems very strange for a fairly new scum player to risk being so cocky about joining the thread and basically admitting to not doing much. So they are going to lurk to the death? As if we will allow that? I don't know actually what I would do if I had rolled scum in this game, which is my first. I'd probably try to look as protown as possible and try to conduct mislynches and avoid omgus nks. I probably wouldn't lurk in either alignment. | ||
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On August 22 2012 19:57 Shady Sands wrote: Should add that my first game was actually Newbie XXII, where I flipped mason and tried to follow Keir's lead on pretty much everything up until he got NK'd since he was the other mason and more experienced. I'm disappointed with the level of activity here. I think that we're letting lurkers get off a little too easy. I'm especially suspicious of people who haven't posted, as it's already been a full 12 hours since the game started, more than enough time for players to post. Moreover, this playstyle is unfair to town, since town by default has to go off of evidence to scumhunt and if everyone is lurking scum gets a free ride in terms of not having to give up much evidence. I'm going to go with a rando-vote on a lurker unless someone can claim me otherwise with a compelling case. I haven't yet seen a case that's good enough so far. I remembered that 24 was your last possible newbie game but I didn't remember which was the other newbie game you played in. You're right about lurkers to be honest. My opinion is that it's up to US that will determine if people can or can not get away with lurking to the death. Even as townies, they are doing scum's jobs for them. Distracting townies with actual suspects and lurkers, preventing town dynamics from forming etc. On August 22 2012 20:00 Shady Sands wrote: Basically, there's no reason for a green or blue townie to lurk and wait for others to "make the first move", but there's plenty of reason for scum to lurk and post second. That's why I think that scum are just playing a waiting game. One thing I am going to require: all lurkers who are making their first posts in here from now on, if you don't make a case in the post (given all that's happened in the thread already) I am going to vote for a lynch on you. Why? This forces scum to choose to bus or shoot for a mislynch right from their first post in the thread, giving them zero opportunity to "test the waters" on the town's reaction to their claim. A townie should have no problems with this. Only scum should be made uncomfortable by this requirement. Yep, but let me fix that: Contrary to my friendly neighbourhood friends who are considered as BIG DAWGZ over here, I can read chinese symbols/letters/hieroglyphs/whatever better than I can read scum behavior. + Show Spoiler + Newbin been since newbin since been newbin SINCE BEEN NEWBIN, remember? So mind if I tell you what I'm going to do? Until I get better at reading scum behavior, what I'm going to do is I'm going to vote for lurking scumbags and uhh, the ones that don't make cases in their posts. In short: I'm going to vote lynches for any person who isn't helping us friendly neighbourhood townies with our jobs. I have 2 reasons for that: 1- I'm bad at this and I need help. 2- People helping scumbags are no different from actual scumbags to me. On August 22 2012 20:00 Palmar wrote: It's easier to take a stance. Admitting lurking is something I'm not sure scum would do. This, I agree with. But from this point, what would your actions be if you happened to be a scum and lurked all the way up to here? | ||
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On August 22 2012 21:19 Kville wrote: Cute, guess i came in good timing. Just finished reading and reviewing. Although, it is quite interesting, however, how marvellosity and djagulingu just random vote correspondingly on same person. Even though I never found marvellosity to kind-like during my reads. #FoS marvellosity These votes aren't for good, y'know? Considering for how long you waited before making a post, we were assuming to find some good content in it. But what do we have instead? An OMGUS vote and a pile of words with no content. | ||
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On August 22 2012 21:30 Kville wrote: No need to be so irrational. How does it not make sense? I just claimed that you(marvellosity) and jang may perhaps be associates of somekind just based on how you "randomly" voted for someone becuase of inactivity with no leads on the first day. What isn't there to make sense about? btw- Was at work and just got a new phone so I was setting up, plus full time student(no web blocks=sweetness ^.^). We were discussing our reasons for ages, or rather pages, in terms of lurker lynches, we casted our votes with the person who then had zero posts after the game began, I refresh the page and the first thing I see from you is baseless accusations on me, marv and shady followed by an OMGUS vote. You're not even my top 2 suspects and the only reason I'm casting my vote on you right now is because you're doing the scum's job for them. You're not being helpful to the good and constructive discussion we're trying to create, you're making us waste our time with you (which is no problem for me if you're a scumbag) and you're giving the real scums (if you're not one of them ofc) an opportunity to hide themselves by stalling us for them. I think I made my point pretty clear about these votes, which can be revoked and put on someone else. The rest is up on you. | ||
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On August 22 2012 22:10 iamperfection wrote: ## Vote Bluelightz Guy comes into the thread announces his suspicion on someone then quickly retracts it simply because obvious gave a response. Didnt give good reasoning and only provided some insight when pushed to do so. Got into the game only after someone had left and was excited by the player list so you would think that his actvity would be greater and has lurked just as much as me. True, bluelightz is my top suspect along with you, but bluelightz's posts currently are pretty similar to yours. Can you please explain why we should suspect bluelightz while thinking that you're completely innocent? Thanks in advance. | ||
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On August 22 2012 22:28 iamperfection wrote: There is no way for me to prove that im completely innocent and its silly for you to suggest me to prove it on whats been posted. I havent been here but now im here time to find scum. Going forward ill be much more active that is all i can do. Well, I can't estimate scums and innocent people with this little amount of materials, all I can do is to hope that you're going to give away scumbags anyway (including yourself, if you're one of them too.. oh and yes you will). By the way I have never asked you to prove anything, I just asked you to explain why. A proof would be good though. | ||
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On August 22 2012 23:42 Bluelightz wrote: Defense in points: 1. If the response is townie, then I believed he is townie, why should I NOT retract my suspicion? It's kinda pointless if ye see. 2.Why is the reasoning I provided bad?(Hint: your reasoning is pointless bullshit) 3.Didn't give insight till pushed because I didn't feel the need too. 4.Why is when I got into the game a factor in me being scum?(Hint: explain), It's not like I should always post when I'm not ready. Your points are not bad, the major reason why you were read as scum is that you did this and faded away. The timing of it also made you look more suspicious. We were trying to get a good base of discussion and all you did was to bait someone, get a response, decide that it's townie and go away until you came back now. That's what made you look suspicious. On August 22 2012 23:42 Bluelightz wrote: Palmar: Yes, we should vote our best scum read. Y U NO VOTE?! Actually Obv is worth a filter check. His quotes that you shared and even the one which made you see him as a townie look suspicious to me. ##FoS: Obvious.660 Completely off-topic: [color=green]Where can I find myself a coach?[/color] | ||
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On August 23 2012 00:07 Bluelightz wrote: @ Lingu Why is the quote I think he is town suspicious to you? Your just cruising around, throwing baseless bullshit here and there, please explain. With only this much material about any given person, it's not easy to make good and accurate reads about anything. I'm just trying to go over stuff that seems a little bit off. Example: I FoS'd Obvious before doing a filter check on him because the following things seemed twisted to me: First I read the "town confirmation post" of Obvious, it didn't look like a town confirmation to me. Then I read this: On August 22 2012 08:18 Obvious.660 wrote: Oh, to follow up for VE, yes, I am OK with a Palmar lynch based on evidence that he IS serious about random lynch. Seemed a bit twisted to me. On August 22 2012 07:39 Obvious.660 wrote: Lurkers absolutely suck past day 2, so I agree that lurker lynches are a good fallback option. I'm also wary of easy lynches too. My experience with TL mafia has been that if it's too easy it's probably too good to be true. We're not even past 24 hours yet though so let's not get too ahead of ourselves by focusing on lurkers just yet. Also, I agree with Shady that the LoveDoctor doesn't smell right. His olfactory glands are probably on his elbows. Then I read this bolded part. Then, the following things I read also seemed more twisted than they actually are. After re-checking his filter now, he seemed less and less suspicious. At least for now. | ||
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I suppose it's the DT part that you're asking. I don't know. Maybe it's because of the step by step investigation of every single suspect, one by one, from top of the list to the bottom. At least that's what I got from what he said. I don't know. | ||
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- Read Shady's filter considering what VE says - Read talis' filter - Read KVille's filter - Catch up to the stuff | ||
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On August 23 2012 03:51 VisceraEyes wrote: Yeah okay dats some scummy shit (Kvilles filter). I need to think. That was my view as well. But I couldn't decide if he's town or scum. Then this comes up. On August 23 2012 05:24 Shady Sands wrote: Thrown under the bus? Who threw you under the bus? Your defense is: --people are picking on me --I tried to defend but I was at school/afk --point fingers at shady, obvious, and marv (forgetting about the other lurker, talis? or are you not looking at lurkers anymore?) --then saying "fuck it, im just gna sheep VE" and finally a semi-slip by using the phrase thrown under the bus This is either terribad town play or... terribad scum play. It's so off the scale, i'm not even sure how to read it Be it town, be it scum. He's terribad at it, doing scum's job for them if he's townie, doing nothing but his job if he's scum. My vote currently stands on KVille. On August 23 2012 05:49 Chezinu wrote: Greetings town, Not Chezinu is back. When I was reading the thread I noticed a lack of accusations and name calling, except that provided by VE. Good work! We need to scare the mafia and make them think we are serious about lynching them and their teammates. We have to act quickly and turn mafia into a panic so that they out of desperation attempt to save their fellow mafia neglecting all long term goals by exposing themselves. I have develop techniques with my persona Chezinu to do this. Day 1 I troll for the first 24 hours goofing around and getting everyone's guard down. I play dumb and act scummy.. so scummy that scum thinks I'm an easy target and try to lynch me. Then the vets notice that it is my usual fishing methods and defend me while attacking the first one who accuses me. It is normal a mafia member who never played a game with me. However, I couldn't troll and act scummy this game because I am playing the sane game. I couldn't call obvious an obvious scum not shady a shady scum. So, I had to devise a new method to catch scum. If you don't gather reactions within the game your playing, you have to rely on others to do it for you. Or you will have to go research people's meta in past games which can be a real pain. I have decided not to do the latter. But I did not want to heavily rely on other people to get mafia to panic. So, I have come up with a plan that I cannot disclose at this time. Fear me mafia, for I have won. PS: What are your methods to find scum? Mine is to eliminate people who are doing scum's job for them scumbags. Then scumbags have to their jobs themselves, which will reveal them. Might be one of the worst plans though. On August 23 2012 07:06 VisceraEyes wrote: He's wondering if I'm "reading you accurately" while voting me. He's SAYING he thinks I'm scum, but he slips my alignment in asking if I'm "reading you accurately"...which is something only town can do (scum don't read anyone, they know everyone's alignment). Whoa... Nice, nice, how'bout that! Nice catch there. Lovedoc or Dr.Evil is now on the tops of my suspect list. Talis, trying to sheep on VE and generally posting pointlessly is high up there as well, then there is this Kville. This must not be that easy though, I'm losing my sharpness. Duh. I shall do something to bring it back. Dear Chezinu: Whatever you did to VE, I want that too. I'm losing my sharpness and I don't know why. Please help me bring it back. PLZPLZPLZPLZPLZPLZPLZ. Thanks in advance. P.S: PLZ HELP ME. I'm really losing my sharpness though. I need to get refreshed. | ||
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On August 23 2012 20:07 Palmar wrote: Alright this is the lynch I want ##Vote Obvious For reasons outlined in my post. tl;dr version: 1. Posts generic stuff (discussing lurker lynches and such) 2. Spends an absurd amount of time obsessing about my random lynch idea 3. His only attempt at scumhunting is basically rehashing what people already said about Kville 4. Wants to lynch me on something that's a null-tell, without any attempt at further analysing my play. Please go along with this guys. Well, at least I was right about what Palmar was trying to achieve with random-lynch bullshit. He's picking off the guys who got overly obsessed with it. While liking his read on Obvious, I'm also reading something stupid from Lvdr. He basically defended Shady for the whole day, doing his job for him, which brought 3 options in my mind: 1- Lvdr is a scumbag defending his fellow scumbag 2- Lvdr is a scumbag defending Shady to make him look like a scumbag, after seeing people thinking that Shady is a scumbag. 3- Lvdr is a townie and trying to defend someone who he sees as a townie. Then I see this: On August 23 2012 20:37 Shady Sands wrote: back in thread. Why is everyone dropping the focus on Lvdr right now when we had him cold yesterday? and think. Think about the reason why would one of the 2 scumbags defend the other while getting bussed by the scumbag he's defending. This kicks the option 1 out of the window and brings another option in its place: 4- Shady is a scumbag trying to pick on controversial townies one by one, trying to create wagons for them. This eliminates option 3 in my mind. Right now, all I know is they both can't be townies. Checking both filters, I see that Shady is reading the thread, producing cases, participating the scumhunt, trying to be helpful at the very least. His attention is pretty scattered though. On the other hand, I look at Lovedoc and see that all he ever posts is some fluff showing no intention to participate in scumhunting, microscopic to no attempt on reading players and sharing his leads, almost like he doesn't even need to read other guys in the thread. All I know is; scum does not have to read people because they know everything, town on the other hand has to. ##Unvote ##Vote: Lvdr | ||
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On August 24 2012 08:48 marvellosity wrote: also, where in the cajones is DJ-lingu? Daymn. The fucking deadline is at the time I HAVE TO BE sleeping because I got work tomorrow (it is hardly called work tbh but whatever, deadline was 5AM and my work starts at 8AM). What a shitty thing. | ||
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On August 24 2012 15:53 Shady Sands wrote: sleeping now. Still not done with filters yet. posting the mega-post in AM. will likely suggest a vigi target/d2 lynch target. I don't know if there is a better target than Lvdr tbh, he's my one of my top scumreads and the fact that he very openly bandwagoned down Obvious does nothing but support my opinion. On the other hand, Bluelightz after seeing the vote summary in page 44 switched right into Obvious, that is very suspicious to me as well. He thought that Obvious was a townie all along, his town read on him was very controversial, but he was still thinking that Obvious is town. Then, he switches his vote from marv into Obvious at the very last second to commence the lynch. My top read atm. | ||
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On August 24 2012 23:06 Bluelightz wrote: I switched because I wanted to have a flip to use as evidence, or as a point to use for better reads. Still not convinced. | ||
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On August 24 2012 23:56 Bluelightz wrote: What about chez? he only said he was "ok" with my lynch and switched just like me Yet you don't have any suspicion on him, atleast I pointed out something about Obvious (long) before I switched to him (But after I changed my mind about him the other day). What would you do then, if I was the one mislynched today? The same thing I'm right now doing on Obvious' mislynch. | ||
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Trying to pick up leads from it, how it happened, how my scumreads are connected to that, what is the reason behind what they did, does that support my scum reads or refute them, all that shit. | ||
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On August 25 2012 01:27 talismania wrote: 2) djasdflj possible scum. keen to latch onto wagons (me, lvdr, BL, obvious). overcomposed posts. mirrors posts of others in thread (palmar). keeps saying this is his first game ever on TL but knows too much about newbie games? I'm too lazy to actually see if he played them lol. 1- Care enough to look at where my vote is before saying that I latched onto obvious' bandwagon? And was there even a wagon for you? 2- I learned to read at elementary school, I can read perfectly ever since. The point is that (unlike you) I'm not as lazy to skimp on reading things, like newbie games (no offense on the laziness part but you're lazy enough to be unable to copy-paste my nickname). 3- BL tops my suspect list for a good reason in which Lvdr is just inches behind. 4- I'm trying to express myself and my reasons as good as I can. Just like I tried as hard as I could to read the aforementioned names and tried to structure my scumreads as well as I could. I can do only so well though. + Show Spoiler + Newbin been since newbin since been newbin SINCE BEEN NEWBIN. Remember? 5- Mirroring posts of other people? Heyll, I learned a new thing about myself today. Let's check if that's true or not. | ||
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On August 25 2012 06:44 Shady Sands wrote: How many hours until daypost? 3 hours and 40 minutes I guess. | ||
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On August 27 2012 08:35 iamperfection wrote: ## unvote ## vote Djagulingu Explain faster. It was half bait half serious. All Chezinu did in day 1 was to look active and bandwagon Obv down. Then, he was also bandwagoning Lvdr until I called him out. Then he switches his vote on me, again in a bandwagoning fashion, creating an NL. On August 27 2012 08:40 Shady Sands wrote: Seconded. Explain faster. Also, now that I think about it, explain this too: Here you say that Lvdr and I can't both be townies. So if Lvdr flips scum, then shouldn't you be suspecting me, too? Back in day 1, when we literally had little to no information, that's what I thought. If Lvdr flips scum, I would pretty much confirm that you are a townie. But, seeing how Lvdr is suspicious, you could have been a scumbag trying to bandwagon him down into a mislynch in day 1 knowing that he's a townie. So yes, if Lvdr flipped a scumbag, I wouldn't suspect you. After all, a day1 bus play is too balls-to-the-wall to execute. | ||
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On August 27 2012 09:36 Shady Sands wrote: Right now I think town's top priority is to lynch Djagulingu. He hasn't contributed much (but then again, not many have); moreover, his association reads on Lvdr, me and Chez don't make much sense. Do you mind if I ask you the definition of "contribution" around this place sir? And for some reason I'm the first bandwagon you have pushed this hard in your mafia career I guess? You must be reading something good on me. Mind if you share them with the rest of the townfolks so that they can know why they are voting for me? Because your post seemed like a poor reasoning to me, I wouldn't vote for someone with that amount of info. | ||
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On August 27 2012 21:11 Kville wrote: This is what makes you suspicious: If lvdr were to flip town then chezinu must be scum? But why? .......and what would happen if chezinu were to flip town as well? Your just making us vote town for scum. This is a pure scum play. Eliminating town after town. Also marv needs to explain this, why only consider these two? and you werent even here for the rest of the night, so even if we were to give you an explaination it would have been null. The 'reconsideration' wasn't even valid and was just written to display a town feel to the post. Like I said, all Chezinu has done for 2 days of game time is to join bandwagons while not making cases and participating discussions, which is also scum play. Day 1: He joins obvious bandwagon first, then unvotes, then joins back in. Day 2: I start by voting Lvdr, he follows after me; after I call him out and start getting bandwagoned, he joins my bandwagon. He at the very least has to provide reasons why he bandwagoned onto the people who he bandwagoned. Lvdr flipping town thus would 100% guarantee Chezinu being a scumbag who bandwagons townies down, Lvdr flipping scum would create confusions about him (whether he's a townie or a scum bussing Lvdr). In both cases, we would guarantee finding a scum by Lvdr lynch on day 2. THAT is my explanation about Chezinu. Lvdr was just my top scum read (or was he?). He was just posting scummy and also voting scummy. But now he's only #4 in my list though. Talis, iamperfection and Chezinu are above him. | ||
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On August 28 2012 00:01 marvellosity wrote: iamperfection looks like a scumbag based on his day 1 and day 2 voting and lynch patterns. Day 1 he wants BL dead but does fuck all to make it happen, and only when I make a case and push it hard do votes start coming in on BL. Then he happily hops off on to Obvious, again following my lead. Day 2 he's voting for a fringe candidate once again, and then practically straight after I ask town to consolidate he starts the voting off on a 3rd candidate, and unsurprisingly town no-lynches. It looks like iamperfection was basically riding on the back of Shady's suspicion, just like he rode on my back to Obvious day 1. Having the gall to FoS me for how the day 2 lynch went down is just icing on the cake. He is just like Chezinu to me, another big time suspect, another scumbag to me. For the same reasons as Chezinu. | ||
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Buying or not buying, he's explaining his reasons. Why don't you try and explain your reasons why you're buying/not buying my explanation? | ||
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On August 28 2012 01:19 Shady Sands wrote: Why are you agreeing with Talis and iamperfection being more scummy than Chez now? What makes you think so? I put them in no particular order. I just think that this is the scum team. My best lynch candidate is Chezinu though, especially after seeing him bandwagon every single lynch candidate. On August 28 2012 01:03 iamperfection wrote: Why do you find it necessary to make a trap? Is it impossible for a (town) chezinu to vote for a (town) Lvdr? It is not impossible for town Chezinu to misvote, I voted for Lvdr too, risking a misvote, but I had a plan with it. Either Chezinu is a sheep and doesn't have any plans whatsoever or he was bandwagoning Lvdr intentionally. The way he bandwagoned the town Obv and town me also supports my claims of Chezinu being a scumbag. The trap part wasn't intentional though, I accidentally trapped him and guess what. It is working. It is working damn so well. It pulled 3 in the price of 1. You, Chezinu and Talismania. All people who are not named iamperfection, Chezinu or Talismania; just look at the bandwagoning patterns of these guys. See how they bandwagoned into Obvious, see how some tried to bandwagon into Lvdr, see how they tried to bandwagon into me. Bluelightz dude, you're the MVP of this game, for last minute lynching Obvious. | ||
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On August 28 2012 02:42 Shady Sands wrote: This post doesn't make sense. It's a WIFOM mindbomb. Dissecting, hold on. WIFOM Mindbomb? Well, I can agree with the mindbomb part but it is hardly wifom. Let me clear the process for you: 1- I was really thinking that Lvdr is a scumbag 2- I voted for him 3- I saw Chezinu voting for him, he had no reasons unlike me. Horrible or not, at least I had my reasons. 4- I looked at Chezinu's voting history. 5- I saw that Chezinu bandwagoned for Obvious as well, with no reason on him either. 6- I posted that thing, which got me bandwagoned and almost lynched. 7- I saw Chezinu bandwagoning on me too, again with no reason. Up until step 3, I was just trying to get a scumbag lynched. In step 3, I saw the opportunity. Up until step 6, my plan was the following: 1- OK, let's lynch Lovedoc. If he flips scum, we got one. 2- If he flips town, people who bandwagoned for Obvious and Lovedoc are scumbags. At the step 6 though, a slight change in the plans happened, VERY accidentally. 2nd voting evidence was now ME instead of Lovedoc and we had a NL instead of a Lvdr lynch. But at the end of step 7, I now have 3 voting evidences instead of 2, thanks to Chezinu bandwagoning both me AND Lvdr. | ||
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On August 28 2012 01:03 iamperfection wrote: Why do you find it necessary to make a trap? Is it impossible for a (town) chezinu to vote for a (town) Lvdr? Checking if the guys are defending each other or not is another one of them scumtells me thinks. On August 23 2012 05:49 Chezinu wrote: Greetings town, Not Chezinu is back. When I was reading the thread I noticed a lack of accusations and name calling, except that provided by VE. Good work! We need to scare the mafia and make them think we are serious about lynching them and their teammates. We have to act quickly and turn mafia into a panic so that they out of desperation attempt to save their fellow mafia neglecting all long term goals by exposing themselves. I have develop techniques with my persona Chezinu to do this. Day 1 I troll for the first 24 hours goofing around and getting everyone's guard down. I play dumb and act scummy.. so scummy that scum thinks I'm an easy target and try to lynch me. Then the vets notice that it is my usual fishing methods and defend me while attacking the first one who accuses me. It is normal a mafia member who never played a game with me. However, I couldn't troll and act scummy this game because I am playing the sane game. I couldn't call obvious an obvious scum not shady a shady scum. So, I had to devise a new method to catch scum. If you don't gather reactions within the game your playing, you have to rely on others to do it for you. Or you will have to go research people's meta in past games which can be a real pain. I have decided not to do the latter. But I did not want to heavily rely on other people to get mafia to panic. So, I have come up with a plan that I cannot disclose at this time. Fear me mafia, for I have won. PS: What are your methods to find scum? Despite claiming that Chezinu is a scumbag, this was somewhere in my mind. After calling Chezinu out, I got asked for explanations, I got bandwagoned, almost got lynched, but nobody tried to refute my case. Especially this poorly. The last of my hesitations on Chezinu and iamperfection are gone. I now think that they are scumbags. For good. | ||
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On August 28 2012 06:48 Chezinu wrote: Dj, you need to fix your tune. I don't understand why you care so much for no lynches. Why do you want no lynch so bad? I didn't say I wanted a NL, it was just a coincidence. And Lynch or NL, voting evidence still persists. And you still have not defended yourself or explained about your voting patterns. Only thing you did was to counterattack me. On August 28 2012 06:51 Chezinu wrote: Oh and I'm loving the suspicious thanks for protecting me Why do you care about protections in the first place? The fact that you're thanking people for it shows that you need it. Town don't need protection, scumbags do. ##Vote: Chezinu | ||
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On August 28 2012 21:28 Kville wrote: Why not ask the same question to DJ? Why did he vote Chez over talis? I have a huge suspicion that there is some alignment between DJ and Marv. The way they attack other people here besides themselves and thier protection of each other with posts. Also, they where the ones who made the mislynch happend. VE was unavailable at the time becuase of the request of the transfer. So could it be possible that these two purposely made this no-lynch happen on DJ? We only needed one vote which could have been Marv's vote but he refused and stuck with his vote making it a no-lynch. #FoS Marv #FoS DJ Because I already explained myself by saying that iamperfection/chezinu/talismania are my top scum reads? | ||
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On August 28 2012 21:55 Kville wrote: Becuase I am breaking you to your knees and it is working. You and marv are showing huge alignments between each other and it showed that in just a few posts before this one. You already confessing yourselves by the way you are reacting to me and my posts. No, you're basing everything you do, all that "breaking me to my knees" piece of shitty shit on a stupid OMGUS, which leads you to refuse reading whatever I write as the reasons of my actions and blame me and marv like a mad man. | ||
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On August 28 2012 22:27 Kville wrote: I will gladly vote for lvdr gratefully, did you have a strategy that if they were both to flip town(lvdr and chez)? Well by then mafia would have taken a huge win so, I guess that was your strategy. No actually, my strat was rather simple and you may consider it bad too: Push a target into lynch. If town: spot people who had no reason to lynch that target but still bandwagoned in, if scum: celebrate. Your strategy is though even simpler and even worse: Lynch Djangbi. If scum: celebrate, if town: "Uhh.. well.. I guess that was a misstep". Or that's what I understand from what you're doing. | ||
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"BECAUSE DJAAANG KNOWS WHO'S IT ON" Even Casual and Del Tha Funkee Homosapien state that. *Puts himself a nickname, calls himself in the 3rd person, credits himself from a rap song that he did nothing for its production* | ||
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On August 28 2012 23:29 marvellosity wrote: His point was that is Lvdr was town, Chez has simply been wagoning from townie to townie with little explanation. What is there to dispute here? I'm surprised that this is not a newbie game but a normal. Here we go again: 1- I voted on my biggest scum read which was Lvdr, explained why I was doing that. 2- But Lvdr was still 60% scum, tops. There was nobody higher in the ranks though. So if he flips town, I needed something to find who the real scumbags are. 3- Chezinu voted for Lvdr as well, no explanation though. Filter check -> no explanation, no making cases, no explanation of his vote on day 1 either. 4- I called him out. 5- I realized that it was a mistake irl, didn't share it this time though, slept before the deadline, accidentally got myself lynched. 6- Turns out that my "mistake" is not a mistake because then, I see Chezinu bandwagoned on me too. End of D2, all of chezinu's votes were bandwagons on townies (at least 2/3 were), no explanations on votings, no making cases himself, no nothing pro-town. 7- Here I am, with my suspects and shit. | ||
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On August 28 2012 12:43 Shady Sands wrote: A couple possibilities with the Daypost: 1) Scum did not use their KP. 2) Scum used their KP but JK jailed a scum. 3) Scum used their KP but JK jailed their target. 4) Scum used their KP but medic healed the target. Btw, another possibility here: Scum may accidentally have hit a vet. | ||
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On August 28 2012 23:49 Kville wrote: So if lvdr was town then doesn't that make it seem like DJ is voting to lynch a townie as well? You're sounding like my vote is enough to commence a majority lynch. What about the other (at least) 6 people who vote with me? The ones who make similar explanations to mine? The ones who bandwagon? That's what you're missing for the entire time. | ||
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On August 29 2012 03:50 talismania wrote: I had one before and still do. I was hoping to get some reaction from him before jumping down his throat or anything though. Unlucky for all of us though, I was outside with a friend, playing volleyballs and shit. The actual trap was to see who is trying to benefit the most from a possible mislynch. Planned target was Lvdr. Like I said before, if he flipped scum, we would celebrate, if not, the actual plan commences: Find the people who most benefited from it, who most supported it with providing the least amount of info for that, compare the lynch on Lvdr with the lynch on Obvious. After posting my actual plan and my prime suspect, resulting to shit and shit, I now had 1.5x more evidence than I actually intended for, against Chezinu. The only reason I chose Lvdr to be the "bait" was because he was my top scum read at the end of day 1, but he was still 60-40 tops. I needed to have anything for both of that 60 AND the 40, 40% is too high to be neglected. On August 29 2012 04:18 Shady Sands wrote: Got it. Alright town it's getting close to that 24 hour deadline now. I'd like everyone to make cases on one or two people and post them before Midnight EDT (sometime in the next nine hours.) Lurkers will get priority on any lynch/vigi lists I draw up. Move it. OK Here are my 2 cents and 2 cases: 1- Chezinu: Sorry to say but he's bandwagoning for 2 days of game time without providing reasons. He bandwagoned on Obvious, then Lvdr, then me. After bandwagoning on me on D2, I'm only 8th in his list in D3. Some things don't make sense here. 2- IamPerfection: Furiously defending Chezinu without telling us reasons why we should also see him as a townie, attacking into me for what he sees as a scum slip, which is OK. What is not OK though is that he explains no reasons why he thinks that Chezinu is a townie, but he still defends him. I don't say that he has no reasons to defend Chezinu, on the contrary, he has plenty of them. You get 2, you get 1 free: 3- Talismania: After explaining my thought process like 5 times or something like that, there have been 3 people criticizing me: Chezinu, iamperfection and Talismania. No more, no less. Spent entire day 2 lurking, then comes in to vote for me. Provides his reasons after a night and half a day in game time, which are weak considering how many times I've explained my thought process. | ||
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On August 29 2012 05:47 talismania wrote: ok dj I understand what you're trying to say but it doesn't hang together. This is the post that you said later was intended half as bait: Your claimed trap was to push a lynch on lvdr, who you supposedly think might be scum. if he is, great, if he isn't maybe you can catch people bandwagoning. So far... ok. But at the time you made that post, you already had two people voting behind you. So the actual trap part wasn't this post, it was the part where you voted lvdr. This doesn't contribute to the supposed trap. Instead it sounds like what it probably is: lynch lvdr, if he flips town, lynch chez. In essence, justifying two days of votes at once, which smells like scum. That isn't bait for anything, and calling it that is a clumsy way to recast your actions. For the last time: On August 28 2012 23:43 Djagulingu wrote: I'm surprised that this is not a newbie game but a normal. Here we go again: 1- I voted on my biggest scum read which was Lvdr, explained why I was doing that. 2- But Lvdr was still 60% scum, tops. There was nobody higher in the ranks though. So if he flips town, I needed something to find who the real scumbags are. 3- Chezinu voted for Lvdr as well, no explanation though. Filter check -> no explanation, no making cases, no explanation of his vote on day 1 either. 4- I called him out. 5- I realized that it was a mistake irl, didn't share it this time though, slept before the deadline, accidentally got myself lynched. 6- Turns out that my "mistake" is not a mistake because then, I see Chezinu bandwagoned on me too. End of D2, all of chezinu's votes were bandwagons on townies (at least 2/3 were), no explanations on votings, no making cases himself, no nothing pro-town. 7- Here I am, with my suspects and shit. Damn I should put that in bookmarks, I am fed up with explaining everything over and over It is never securing votes or anything. Is my vote itself enough to commence a majority lynch or something? That I don't know? I'm saying that if Lvdr actually flips town, then Chezinu becomes my prime suspect because he's just bandwagoning and providing no reasons for his votes. You see the part of the sentence starting from the word "because" and ends with a dot? I've been using it for explaining all my cases and votes, regardless of my cases being actually right or wrong. However, I've never seen Chezinu, you and iamperfection using anything like this for any of your votes until the end of day 2. Which means that: 1- You have no reasons to vote for people, which means that you have no more than 25 iq. 2- You have reasons to vote for people but you're too shy to share that because it will simply be enough for you guys to reveal the fact that you're a bunch of scumbags. I think it is #2, but even if it's #1, you deserve to get lynched. Because for #2, ratio of townies to scumbags will increase and for #1, the average iq level of the remaining players will increase. Or: 3- You have really good reasons and you will share that and we will then think that you guys are actual townies and no longer have any reasons to believe that you're scumbags. I've never seen any amount of #3 for anyone except for myself. What about the other people you voted for? Can you please explain your thought process behind your votes in day 1? Now that Chezinu actually got over his shyness and shit, I believe you can do it as well as he can. | ||
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Wow, Chezinu explained his thought process for once. That shit hit me hard. I need time to get myself together after that. I think I'll watch some Bibiane and sleep, calling this a (half) day. Seriously: Does my vote have power to commence a majority lynch all by itself? Because people are acting like it is. | ||
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On August 29 2012 06:01 Chezinu wrote: Read my filter. If you really want reasons so bad, I will tell you. Palmar is known to be a great player as well as VE. They were really the only two people I focused on during day 1. If any one was going to get lynched, it was suspects chosen by one of the two. We end up trying to lynch lvdr first. He was one of my first suspects. Then I saw VE defending him and accused VE. Palmar comes into the thread suspecting obvious. Knowing Palmar had a talent of finding scum I voted obvious along with him. I had suspicions at the time that mafia was trying to get a no lynch because the votes were so spread out. So, I tried to get people to consolidate their vote. No one was voting obvious, so I think I might have switch to lvdr after that - I don't fully recall, you can check if you want. I know I was busy in RL at the time and disappeared for a while. When I came back somehow everyone was voting bluelight - I don't recall the reason. To aviod a no lynch, I jumped on board. Then blue was acting as if he was already dead. I remember writing in the thread that I thought it wasn't insta lynch - which I ended up being right. Blue has an ephany and realizes that he wasn't dead and posts a document calling almost everyone town. It was funny and we all laughed. Then we realized that mafia would never let one of their own members do something so foolish. So we decided to switch after the realization that everyone was actively lurking (we could see how many people viewed the document). So we jumped on to Palmar's suspect, Obvious. Cause Palmar had the best chance of catching scum. Unfortunately, obvious was town. Then mafia killed Palmar, who was the most towniest of all of us. It reminded me of when WBG died in my last game (however this reference is meaningless this game cause VE is no longer playing and no one will get my references), Now for Day 2...day 2 is kind of a blurr to me. I do remember voting lvdr to finally try to get him to flip. I come back at the end of the day and no one was voting for lvdr. However there was 3 votes on you (Dj), two of which were Iamperfection and Shady. Two people I trust to be town - they both have defended me. Mafia would never defend a troll like me. Most mafia would actually do the opposite and try and get me lynched. From experience, I am inclined to trust them. There happy, I responded to you! So you're basically saying you sheeped into Palmar because his ability to find scumbags is monster level. And then you voted Lvdr for the flip, sheeping on me, then you voted on me, sheeping on Shady and iamperfection. Sorry but this seems bad enough to me as I see no reason for sheeping. Palmar said that you're a monster scum reader, yet you didn't use this ability for once and sheeped all along. Then you say that scum will never defend you because they always try to lynch you. This seems pretty much bullshit to me. There is some person in the game that is not doing scum reads, sheeping onto townies because some other person is doing so and doing the trolling business for the scum. Tbh you're the type of townie that scum would try and keep alive as long as possible, if that's what you are. On August 29 2012 12:16 Shady Sands wrote: KVille what are your other reads? Could you elaborate on why DJ needs to be gone D4? Seconded, I want an explanation why I'm done if Lvdr flips town. I agree with talismania being a scumbag though, the only time he seriously made a discussion is today, against me. I'd expect more from townies. ##Unvote ##Vote: talismania | ||
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On August 29 2012 15:51 Shady Sands wrote: DJ, I'm curious to hear in more detail why you want to vote Talis over Lvdr or Chez. Because my vote itself doesn't commence a majority lynch. Like I said before, Chezinu is my primary target because he's a) Scumbag (minimum of 95%) b) A townie that even scumbags will grief over his death. (5% tops) But people for some reason aren't voting for him and it's more probable that Lvdr can result in a mislynch than talismania. | ||
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On August 29 2012 15:57 Shady Sands wrote: Players go AFK etc. for a myriad of reasons. Making a vote against them on that sole basis is usually sub-optimal. You're already on multiple FoS lists and here, again, you sheep Marv with poor reasoning. This is a warning to post better. He's providing no content, voting uselessly on day 1 and sheeping on me on day 2, not providing reasons why he voted for these people either. His only serious attempts over starting a discussion is after I called him out along with Chezinu and iamperfection, against me. Now consider you and me, trying to generate discussion here, trying to find scumbags and shit, trying to see reasons why people are doing some stuff or why are people avoiding to do some stuff, why we suspect the people we're voting, interrogating each other from time to time too, just to be sure about one another. And now, consider talismania and chezinu. The people who never generate discussion, provide either no reasons or poor reasons over what they do, latch onto lynch candidates or voting uselessly, stay afk most of the time, troll for the rest. And you say that I'm sheeping Marv with poor reasoning? | ||
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On August 29 2012 16:06 Shady Sands wrote: Vote Lvdr or else I will call my friend to find your IP address and DDOS you back to the stone age. Try your best son. On Lvdr though, he's my suspect #4. Being #4 on my list, he still has 70-30 odds of being a scumbag. My reasons are slightly different though, he's taking advantage from my case over Chezinu/talis/iamp trio that I used him for and using this advantage into laying low for a bit. I don't like that. | ||
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On August 29 2012 16:20 Shady Sands wrote: Except he's laid low ever since the D1 mislynch. And how is him using your case on Chez/talis/IamP turn into an advantage that lets him lay low for a bit? He sees that he's currently out of the spotlight and thinks that we now see him as a townie (at least me) but still afraid to come into the discussion because he doesn't want back in. I don't like that. Why would a townie be afraid of the spotlight in the first place? | ||
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On August 29 2012 16:28 Shady Sands wrote: Got it. And none of my other tells on him stick? I don't know which one is worse. The way he's playing on day 3 or this being actually a progress. He provided zero reads (except for talismania, if you call that a read that is) until the end of day 2, now comes up with the read on talismania. There is something wrong with him but I don't know what. | ||
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On August 29 2012 16:43 Shady Sands wrote: So even with all that you're still reading him as less scummy than Talis, who has actually stepped up tremendously in posting? I mean, Talis even somehow got Chez to stop trolling all of us. That's crazy. Also, I find it odd how you could call for a Talis/Chez/IamP scumteam when the three were basically on the verge of FoSing each other earlier today. It reminded me of the ending scene from the Good the Bad and the Ugly in there for a while. It was at least 70% my effort that helped Chez to stop with the trolling bullshit of him (that is if he actually stopped). And this shit reminds me of the Reservoir Dogs more than the Good the Bad and the Ugly. Up until I called them out, nobody was doing nothing, now they felt their asses are on fire and they are all trying to find who was the leak. | ||
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On August 29 2012 17:00 Shady Sands wrote: Fair enough. But is that behavior worth a vote? I mean, generally scum don't alter their behavior in response to a townread, only to votes, yet they all changed their behavior before you even voted them. They all changed their behavior? Not until the end of D2, I called them out on N2 when they were still the same. In D3, they are going around FoSing each other and shit. They are smart enough to do this change more smoothly though. | ||
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iamperfection: Goes in for BL, sheeps onto Marv at the end of day 1, Obv gets lynched. Day 2, he goes in for BL again with this: On August 25 2012 12:55 iamperfection wrote: We finish what we should have done yesterday. ## Vote Bluelightz I agree that shit that BL did was odd and there was nobody else other than me and him in the day 2, thinking that BL could be a scumbag. End of D2, he goes in on me right after you, tries to interrogate me a bit, but because I was sleeping, I didn't answer, his vote on me stood. Looks pretty good up to now. D3, he starts by defending Chezinu from me, looks to get persuaded then, pulls back his vote from me. Up to now, he looks pretty good. But still, this seems a bit dodgy. Nothing except this though. talismania: Besides the post that was composed of his poor end-of-day1 reads, all he did in day 1 in terms of scumhunting is this. Sheeping on Lvdr. Day 2, he only comes in to vote. Day 3, he was on me and my move on D2 for the whole time he was here. After I made my defense about it, he has gone away and never come back. He should have done more imo. On August 29 2012 13:25 iamperfection wrote: Tails said he wouldnt be as active this is a completetly diffrent then his actvity levels in the mad men game. I dont understand So he apologizes for being afk so much but then does this Why not warn us that he is going camping? I think its because he full of shit ## Vote talismania Like Iamperfection says here, he's full of shit. Chezinu: He plays around with his votes for the most of the time on day 1, trying to look like he's participating scum hunts and shit. Votes on D1 have little to no explanations though. Then, on D2 he places his vote on Lvdr, doesn't seem to explain a reason, then on me, still no reason, comes back to explain his reasons in this: On August 29 2012 06:01 Chezinu wrote: Read my filter. If you really want reasons so bad, I will tell you. Palmar is known to be a great player as well as VE. They were really the only two people I focused on during day 1. If any one was going to get lynched, it was suspects chosen by one of the two. We end up trying to lynch lvdr first. He was one of my first suspects. Then I saw VE defending him and accused VE. Palmar comes into the thread suspecting obvious. Knowing Palmar had a talent of finding scum I voted obvious along with him. I had suspicions at the time that mafia was trying to get a no lynch because the votes were so spread out. So, I tried to get people to consolidate their vote. No one was voting obvious, so I think I might have switch to lvdr after that - I don't fully recall, you can check if you want. I know I was busy in RL at the time and disappeared for a while. When I came back somehow everyone was voting bluelight - I don't recall the reason. To aviod a no lynch, I jumped on board. Then blue was acting as if he was already dead. I remember writing in the thread that I thought it wasn't insta lynch - which I ended up being right. Blue has an ephany and realizes that he wasn't dead and posts a document calling almost everyone town. It was funny and we all laughed. Then we realized that mafia would never let one of their own members do something so foolish. So we decided to switch after the realization that everyone was actively lurking (we could see how many people viewed the document). So we jumped on to Palmar's suspect, Obvious. Cause Palmar had the best chance of catching scum. Unfortunately, obvious was town. Then mafia killed Palmar, who was the most towniest of all of us. It reminded me of when WBG died in my last game (however this reference is meaningless this game cause VE is no longer playing and no one will get my references), Now for Day 2...day 2 is kind of a blurr to me. I do remember voting lvdr to finally try to get him to flip. I come back at the end of the day and no one was voting for lvdr. However there was 3 votes on you (Dj), two of which were Iamperfection and Shady. Two people I trust to be town - they both have defended me. Mafia would never defend a troll like me. Most mafia would actually do the opposite and try and get me lynched. From experience, I am inclined to trust them. There happy, I responded to you! Seems like full of bullshit to me. He's basically confessing to have shept on Obv, Lvdr and me in this chronological order. Rest of his posts include nothing but BS except for this one: On August 29 2012 03:28 Chezinu wrote: my list: 1.) marvellosity 2.) talismania 3.) Lvdr 8.) Djagulingu 10.) Kville 11.) Miltonkram so far I think almost everyone is comfortable saying bluelight is town? Add in that I believe shady is innocent along with iamperfection and you get the above list. So now, let everyone highlight 3 names on that list that they think are mafia like this: 1.) marvellosity 2.) talismania 3.) Lvdr 8.) Djagulingu 10.) Kville 11.) Miltonkram Good reads imo. Lvdr and talis were #4 and #2 at the start of D3, after reading filters all along, they are now #3 and #1. Chezinu back down to #2 and will stay there. He needs to participate even more. He has some plans but he's hiding them from us. We don't even know if this is his own list or not. He starts with "my list:" but well.. Reasons would be pretty persuasive. | ||
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iamperfection (0): Chezinu (1): Bluelightz Lvdr (3): Chezinu Shady Sands Kville talismania (4): marvellosity iamperfection Lvdr Djagulingu Have not voted (2): talismania miltonkram If I count correctly, that is. | ||
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On August 29 2012 22:57 Bluelightz wrote: I don't know, talis's post's seem's townie compared to his scum game in Pick Your Poison, granted in PYP he was active, but I dunno, I'll vote talis before I sleep though to consolidate (as I won't be there for the deadline, school started). Maybe they lost convincingly in that game and he's trying to work on his scum play? | ||
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##Vote: Lvdr From one of my top scum reads to another. I'm going to bed now, it's 11 PM here and I got work tomorrow, shift starts 3 hours after voting deadline. | ||
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On August 30 2012 21:20 Kville wrote: Don't even marv. Honestly im sick of your bull. That right there shows me how desperate you are looking for a player to lynch. Also, note the fact on how affirmitive Marv is about lynching away from others | ||
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If it's allowed, I'll share my role PM too. | ||
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On August 30 2012 22:44 Bluelightz wrote: If I could kill someone let's kill Lingu. No. Don't kill Djangalang. Instead let him do the "DJANGNAM STYLE" dance instead while we're killing Chezinu or Talis. | ||
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On August 30 2012 22:54 Kville wrote: This kid is cracking. He knows he is done now. So let's just finish it, when the day starts. After lynching me, all you see will be Chezinu, Talis and most prob. iamperfection laughing their asses off while we're making one mislynch after another. Me? I'll be watching you from above after you're done with me. Pitying and laughing to your bad plays. Truth is so obvious, you should just lynch the troll. | ||
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A) This guy is a townie of 100% OMGUS. He's been holding his grudge against you and me since day 1. That's why he lynched Lvdr despite knowing that he was a townie. He is seeking an opportunity to lynch me and you. I doubt he's playing to win. B) This guy is the 3rd scum along with Talis and Chezinu, trying to go for you and me, looking like an OMGUS townie and finishing off town as soon as he can do it. Lynching Lvdr despite knowing that he's a townie has no other explanation. | ||
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On August 31 2012 14:42 Shady Sands wrote: I'm beginning to think KVille may be scum. Talis/KV/DJ? Chez is just really hard to read =( ##Vote: Talismania The only flip side of a LYLO situation is that you can have a random lynch and still get a mafia nearly half of the time. By the way don't we have a medic or a DT? No saves, no DT checks so far. I'm really on Chezinu-Talis-iamperfection/Kville scum team. And if you excuse me, I'll vote on Talis. | ||
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On September 01 2012 08:05 talismania wrote: alright so I guess I'm losing this for town but here goes anyway. tomorrow will be my gf's birthday and I won't be around to fight. 1) All anyone seems to have on me is that I have been inactive. I have been inactive. I have also been busy. Because I am busy, I am inactive. I even said pre-game that I thought I wouldn't be able to be as active as I was in mad men and I even I underestimated how much shit I would have to do then. 2) If I'm scum the NKs don't make sense. Why do I kill BL, who had a townish read on me coming into this lylo situation? Why is marv still alive, when he's been gunning for me forever? Milton wasn't on my case either - why him and not shady, for instance? 3) DJ is one of the scum. Pregame - spammy, eager. During the game - composed, longer posts, less active. Day one - first post is a giant commentary on nothing. All thread response and talk about palmar's randokill thing, the perfect topic for scum to talk about in order to look like they're contributing without doing so. Many of his day one posts are nothing but following the way the wind blows. Obvious comes up, he'll look into him. Marv votes kville? DJ will go for kville as a lurker. Etc. Day two - the lvdr and bait debacle. He votes for lvdr because he supposedly thinks he's scum and if he's not suspects that a wagon on him will draw out real scum. Nevermind that this is a stupid way to trap scum in the first place, it's also likely he invented his explanation for the sequence of events posthoc. Day three - after catching me in his trap (somehow? I vote at the end of day two without even reading and saw he had four votes and I was already suspicious of him), he completely reverts his vote off me, happy to lynch lvdr: Uh, look at his filter going backwards from this post. Lvdr was nowhere near the top of his list near as I can tell. It was me, chezinu, maybe iamp. This is scum opportunism. 4) Marv is one of the scum. VE was right about him. He should be more in charge than he is. He has pushed me nonstop on the basis of nothing but meta. If he were town, I can't see him being like "oh let's do this and lynch talismania" at lylo. He may feel very strongly about me, but he would pressure everyone else in town to get their reads on everyone. He would carefully consider his options. His confidence in my lynch is misplaced for what it should be. This goes for DJ as well. Contrast this with how iamp and shady are actually thinking about things before they make up their minds and whatnot for example. Leads into my last point: 5) People this is the end of the game. Think carefully about what you're doing. ##vote: dj | ||
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Scum's only plan since night 2 is to keep me alive along with people who are eager to see me killed because getting me killed would do nothing but give themselves away. They had to keep me for the LYLO. That's why they delayed on N2. A flawless scum victory is the most embarrassing thing, especially knowing who scumbags are. Don't believe him or whatever he says and hang him high. Then we toast on the red blood drawn from him. | ||
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That concludes the scum team: Talis, iamperfection, Chezinu | ||
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On September 02 2012 06:25 Kville wrote: Now your just guessing. And honestly would we it really be this obvious?town lost if this vote goes through. By the way how do you know if town will win/lose if this vote goes through/not? It's obvious that you know more than I initially thought you do. Can you please share your secrets so that town can win the game? Thanks. | ||
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Eanie meanie miney moe For which scumbag should I go ##Vote: KVille | ||
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He looks more town than Kville and Chezinu at least. | ||
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Because Kville has nothing that makes him look townie. Only attacking to suspicious townies, avoiding to attack scum teammates when they were suspected, attacking into townies, disguising it in newbie OMGUS. Chezinu on the other hand though, knows he doesn't need teammates to win this game. They delayed tonight as well, very good play takes one more to lynch, very easy to set up a 3-3 NL, or at least much easier it is. Even if we successfully lynch, he knows that long as I'm alive, he can trick town to attack me and not him. | ||
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On September 04 2012 22:39 Kville wrote: Only scum needs to defend themselves. Im suspicious against everyone because I'm trying to find the last two scum. I see my role and I know it is over with these current votes in play. Unow it is just whatever, I might as well get my vote out since the game is down regardless. If dj reveals town at the end game then hey I was wrong if he flips scum I'd be laughing till I fall it's part of the game. Let's make a bet ok Kville? If you flip scum and I flip town, you make a 500 word blog explaining how hard you suck at mafia If I flip scum and you flip town, I make a 500 word blog explaining how hard I suck at mafia Take it? | ||
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On September 04 2012 22:56 s0Lstice wrote: stop with the betting talk please Sorry about it. Will never be repeated. | ||
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Tbh even tali was not as easy as you. On September 05 2012 14:03 Chezinu wrote: "I just started paying attention to this game and so far my only conclusion is that I never want to play in a game with chezinu" why is that? Sooooo who wants to read the scum QT? Yeah, why is that? It was a good fun for me. Or seems like it because I caught you earliest. Marv on the other hand... it's either I'm so newbie not to be able to see his true side or he's just a monster and even scums hesitate to think he's on their side. | ||
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On September 05 2012 16:36 DoYouHas wrote: This makes two games I read you like a book Marv. Haha! You teach me how to read marv and I teach you how to read Chezinu OK? | ||
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