Normal Mini Mafia III

On August 14 2012 15:31 Probulous wrote:
Welcome master Djuligling...

Djililug...



Welcome new mafia player. Have you played here before?

On August 14 2012 16:48 Probulous wrote:
You sir are a gentleman. I tip my hat to you

If that game is full I would be more than happy to have you join this game with us. Good luck my crazy named friend

On August 14 2012 20:57 marvellosity wrote:


be open, transparent, and forthcoming with your opinions and you'll be fine

On August 14 2012 21:16 GMarshal wrote:

Also, be ready for everyone to misspell your name. Consider possibly into finding a coach if this is your first game. If you have no idea who to look at for coaching, send me a pm.

And read the guides, you'll have a better experience if you do.

On August 15 2012 06:29 Hapahauli wrote:
/out
/obs

Unfortunately I'll have to sit ths one out - there's no way I'm going to devote enough time to read the thread in the next week. I'll be travelling for the next few days, and I have grad school starting up right after.

Sorry folks.

On August 15 2012 07:52 Probulous wrote:
OK this lineup is looking fine!

Can I request that this not start on the weekend unless it is Sunday night PDT?

I am always busy on weekends and hate missing Day 1 action.

@Djagulingu

I hereby dub you DJ-lingu, or DJ for short. Sorry mate but we all get nicknames.

On August 16 2012 18:44 Chezinu wrote:

lol, by the time you made this post. I was eating ramen! True story.

On August 16 2012 19:30 Chezinu wrote:

I think that you be 채팅다, so I think so.

On August 16 2012 21:50 Palmar wrote:


ssh tunnel
rdp
vpn
proxy

pick your poison.

On August 16 2012 21:21 Chezinu wrote:

Thank you!
I will use 체시누 then

Djagulinguist is the best too!

On August 16 2012 22:28 marvellosity wrote:


you missed VE's Jangalang



oh you have a nickname alright.

On August 16 2012 21:26 Probulous wrote:
Bad news guys. I found out today that my work has blocked TL.This means the amount of time I have available to read and respond is going to drop dramatically. Expect less posts but with more substance. Unless of course someone knows an easy way around this.

On August 16 2012 22:40 marvellosity wrote:
Covering yourself in advance, I like it

On August 17 2012 00:23 Bluelightz wrote:
/replacement

Player list is too godly to not to :-D.


My nickname is BL :D

On August 17 2012 06:55 VisceraEyes wrote:


I like this guy already.

On August 17 2012 12:38 BroodKingEXE wrote:

Lol how many SC nerds are at your work?

On August 17 2012 22:00 iamperfection wrote:

Where do i send my resume?

On August 19 2012 21:15 Palmar wrote:
role received, I'm a cop.

On August 19 2012 22:28 marvellosity wrote:
... lingu. come now.

On August 21 2012 02:32 VisceraEyes wrote:
OMGUS much. I'm not gonna vote for you because I don't want to be accused of OMGUS but....could you get any more OMGUS? I just don't think so. obvScum imo imo. Also



The irony is palpable.

On August 20 2012 00:50 VisceraEyes wrote:

Lies.

LAL

GG no re

On August 21 2012 03:06 marvellosity wrote:
Jaggy-lu, you need to work on your blue-claim analysis

On August 21 2012 06:03 VisceraEyes wrote:
Like, there's a defense to be made...I'm just not seeing it. I posted scummy as shit.

How about....


I got it.

Pro-town atmosphere. Right guys? Right?

On August 21 2012 05:12 Palmar wrote:


What the fuck is this? Do you think I'm scum? If so, why not vote for me? It's completely irrelevant what town might accuse you of if you have nothing to hide.

Instead you refuse to vote for me based on nothing but fear for your own safety. There's two factions in mafia and only one of them puts their personal safety ahead of the progress of town.

Lynch this guy.

On August 21 2012 06:56 VisceraEyes wrote:
Jangalang leaving himself backdoors out of everything. HEY GUYS LOOK HOW HARD I AM COMMITTING TO THIS STANCE but maybe we should reconsider too.

##Vote: Jangalang

On August 21 2012 07:16 marvellosity wrote:
##Vote: Dingaling

too many words, don't wanna read

On August 21 2012 07:24 marvellosity wrote:
you just described my town meta

well done

On August 21 2012 07:36 VisceraEyes wrote:
Add fear-mongering to the ever-growing list of reasons I want to lynch Jangalang.

"Thinking this way could lead us to a mislynch.

Considering things like that could easily lead to a mislynch.

Lynching based on that could lead to a mislynch."

Everything can lead to a mislynch. I think lynching you isn't one of them.

On August 21 2012 07:40 marvellosity wrote:
VE knows what's up.

time to sheep

On August 21 2012 07:43 VisceraEyes wrote:
The benefits are self-evident if you consider them in context. My vote is on you because I think you're scum. If you're scum, there's a clear advantage for removing you from the game via lynch. I don't have to tell the thread why lynching scum is a gain for town, it literally goes without saying.

On August 21 2012 07:52 marvellosity wrote:
or the best case in the thread that i agree with :OOO

die scum

On August 22 2012 08:23 VisceraEyes wrote:
AND WHERE THE FUCK IS JANGALANG?!

On August 22 2012 11:13 VisceraEyes wrote:
I'm still perturbed by lack of Jangalang too.

On August 22 2012 08:35 talismania wrote:
Hey people I don't know: who are you and how you play?

On August 22 2012 08:39 VisceraEyes wrote:
He wants your thoughts on your peers - how do they play, how is their skill level. He wants you to analyze them as players for the good of the town.

On August 17 2012 05:33 Djagulingu wrote:

This newbin in my blood, it came from a family tree. My grandaddy was a newb. My great great grandadddy was a newb. I'm talkin' bout newbin been since newbin since been newbin SINCE BEEN NEWBIN.

+ Show Spoiler +

On August 22 2012 09:48 Lvdr wrote:
To jump back to the rando-lynch topic:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=359836&currentpage=12#235

In this post you explain the strategy, but it doesn't seem particularly strong.

1. There is a good argument for a townie to be against it: more likely to kill town than mafia.
2. If it becomes policy, mafia would have to be insane to try and back out... particularly after a name is chosen.
3. If it is adopted unanimously, there will be no 'voting evidence' to look at later on in the game.

On August 22 2012 11:16 Palmar wrote:
@Lvdr you seem to be pretty solidly against the idea of a Random Lynch, yet you've so far offered no true alternative to it, besides a weak accusation of Shady. In fact you're calling for VE to explain something in a perceived "downtime" which I'm not quite sure how to interpret.

Do you think there is no reason to be looking at the players at the moment?

If the day was ending today, who would you vote, and why?

On August 22 2012 11:02 Palmar wrote:
I'd like to hear what caused you to suspect him in the first place Bluelightz, even if you seem to have then backed out of the idea of him being scum.

It helps me understand how you play.

On August 22 2012 15:49 VisceraEyes wrote:
If only you knew sir. LOL

I love unbiased observations.

On August 22 2012 15:53 VisceraEyes wrote:
Yes please...comment on my only bit of real actionable content before you write me off as trollish Dj.

On August 22 2012 18:16 Palmar wrote:
Just so it's clear I would probably be ok with lynching Shady at this point.

On August 22 2012 18:22 Palmar wrote:
Alright. I kind of liked your analysis on my play because you seem to be at least applying the thoughts required to scumhunt successfully, not jumping to a conclusion while still not being afraid to take a stance.

I'm working on this project where I try to order the people in the game from the least scummy to the most scummy I'd like some input on where and why people should place. Are you familiar with the meta of any of these players? I don't know half the people in this game.

On August 22 2012 18:27 Palmar wrote:
DJ
marv
kville
Chez
bluelightz
obvious
shady
VE
talis
Lvdr


This is my list at the moment, but it's still very, very rough. And to be fair, there's a distinct lack of people who are actively trying to look town, the closest thing is your analysis on my play. marv seems to not give many fucks but he hasn't actually said anything relevant in the game so far. I really need to refine this list of players to get an idea if I'm wrong or not.

Do you agree with my ranking, and what would you change?

On August 22 2012 18:56 Palmar wrote:
Thing is though, it seems very strange for a fairly new scum player to risk being so cocky about joining the thread and basically admitting to not doing much.

On August 22 2012 19:57 Shady Sands wrote:


Should add that my first game was actually Newbie XXII, where I flipped mason and tried to follow Keir's lead on pretty much everything up until he got NK'd since he was the other mason and more experienced.

I'm disappointed with the level of activity here. I think that we're letting lurkers get off a little too easy. I'm especially suspicious of people who haven't posted, as it's already been a full 12 hours since the game started, more than enough time for players to post. Moreover, this playstyle is unfair to town, since town by default has to go off of evidence to scumhunt and if everyone is lurking scum gets a free ride in terms of not having to give up much evidence.

I'm going to go with a rando-vote on a lurker unless someone can claim me otherwise with a compelling case. I haven't yet seen a case that's good enough so far.

On August 22 2012 20:00 Shady Sands wrote:
Basically, there's no reason for a green or blue townie to lurk and wait for others to "make the first move", but there's plenty of reason for scum to lurk and post second. That's why I think that scum are just playing a waiting game.

One thing I am going to require: all lurkers who are making their first posts in here from now on, if you don't make a case in the post (given all that's happened in the thread already) I am going to vote for a lynch on you.

Why? This forces scum to choose to bus or shoot for a mislynch right from their first post in the thread, giving them zero opportunity to "test the waters" on the town's reaction to their claim. A townie should have no problems with this. Only scum should be made uncomfortable by this requirement.

On August 22 2012 20:00 Palmar wrote:


It's easier to take a stance. Admitting lurking is something I'm not sure scum would do.

On August 22 2012 21:19 Kville wrote:
Cute, guess i came in good timing. Just finished reading and reviewing. Although, it is quite interesting, however, how marvellosity and djagulingu just random vote correspondingly on same person. Even though I never found marvellosity to kind-like during my reads.

#FoS marvellosity

On August 22 2012 21:30 Kville wrote:
No need to be so irrational. How does it not make sense? I just claimed that you(marvellosity) and jang may perhaps be associates of somekind just based on how you "randomly" voted for someone becuase of inactivity with no leads on the first day. What isn't there to make sense about?

btw- Was at work and just got a new phone so I was setting up, plus full time student(no web blocks=sweetness ^.^).

On August 22 2012 22:10 iamperfection wrote:
## Vote Bluelightz

Guy comes into the thread announces his suspicion on someone then quickly retracts it simply because obvious gave a response. Didnt give good reasoning and only provided some insight when pushed to do so. Got into the game only after someone had left and was excited by the player list so you would think that his actvity would be greater and has lurked just as much as me.

On August 22 2012 22:28 iamperfection wrote:

There is no way for me to prove that im completely innocent and its silly for you to suggest me to prove it on whats been posted. I havent been here but now im here time to find scum. Going forward ill be much more active that is all i can do.

On August 22 2012 23:42 Bluelightz wrote:


Defense in points:

1. If the response is townie, then I believed he is townie, why should I NOT retract my suspicion? It's kinda pointless if ye see.

2.Why is the reasoning I provided bad?(Hint: your reasoning is pointless bullshit)

3.Didn't give insight till pushed because I didn't feel the need too.

4.Why is when I got into the game a factor in me being scum?(Hint: explain), It's not like I should always post when I'm not ready.

On August 22 2012 23:42 Bluelightz wrote:
Palmar:




Yes, we should vote our best scum read.



Y U NO VOTE?!

Completely off-topic: Where can I find myself a coach

On August 23 2012 00:07 Bluelightz wrote:
@ Lingu

Why is the quote I think he is town suspicious to you? Your just cruising around, throwing baseless bullshit here and there, please explain.

On August 22 2012 08:18 Obvious.660 wrote:
Oh, to follow up for VE, yes, I am OK with a Palmar lynch based on evidence that he IS serious about random lynch.

On August 22 2012 07:39 Obvious.660 wrote:
Lurkers absolutely suck past day 2, so I agree that lurker lynches are a good fallback option. I'm also wary of easy lynches too. My experience with TL mafia has been that if it's too easy it's probably too good to be true. We're not even past 24 hours yet though so let's not get too ahead of ourselves by focusing on lurkers just yet.

Also, I agree with Shady that the LoveDoctor doesn't smell right. His olfactory glands are probably on his elbows.

On August 23 2012 02:00 marvellosity wrote:


Where did this come from?

On August 23 2012 03:51 VisceraEyes wrote:
Yeah okay dats some scummy shit (Kvilles filter).

I need to think.

On August 23 2012 05:24 Shady Sands wrote:


Thrown under the bus? Who threw you under the bus?

Your defense is:

--people are picking on me
--I tried to defend but I was at school/afk
--point fingers at shady, obvious, and marv (forgetting about the other lurker, talis? or are you not looking at lurkers anymore?)
--then saying "fuck it, im just gna sheep VE"

and finally a semi-slip by using the phrase thrown under the bus

This is either terribad town play or... terribad scum play. It's so off the scale, i'm not even sure how to read it

On August 23 2012 05:49 Chezinu wrote:
Greetings town,

Not Chezinu is back. When I was reading the thread I noticed a lack of accusations and name calling, except that provided by VE. Good work! We need to scare the mafia and make them think we are serious about lynching them and their teammates. We have to act quickly and turn mafia into a panic so that they out of desperation attempt to save their fellow mafia neglecting all long term goals by exposing themselves. I have develop techniques with my persona Chezinu to do this. Day 1 I troll for the first 24 hours goofing around and getting everyone's guard down. I play dumb and act scummy.. so scummy that scum thinks I'm an easy target and try to lynch me. Then the vets notice that it is my usual fishing methods and defend me while attacking the first one who accuses me. It is normal a mafia member who never played a game with me. However, I couldn't troll and act scummy this game because I am playing the sane game. I couldn't call obvious an obvious scum not shady a shady scum. So, I had to devise a new method to catch scum. If you don't gather reactions within the game your playing, you have to rely on others to do it for you. Or you will have to go research people's meta in past games which can be a real pain. I have decided not to do the latter. But I did not want to heavily rely on other people to get mafia to panic. So, I have come up with a plan that I cannot disclose at this time. Fear me mafia, for I have won.

PS: What are your methods to find scum?

On August 23 2012 07:06 VisceraEyes wrote:
He's wondering if I'm "reading you accurately" while voting me. He's SAYING he thinks I'm scum, but he slips my alignment in asking if I'm "reading you accurately"...which is something only town can do (scum don't read anyone, they know everyone's alignment).

On August 23 2012 20:07 Palmar wrote:
Alright this is the lynch I want

##Vote Obvious

For reasons outlined in my post.

tl;dr version:

1. Posts generic stuff (discussing lurker lynches and such)
2. Spends an absurd amount of time obsessing about my random lynch idea
3. His only attempt at scumhunting is basically rehashing what people already said about Kville
4. Wants to lynch me on something that's a null-tell, without any attempt at further analysing my play.

Please go along with this guys.

On August 23 2012 20:37 Shady Sands wrote:
back in thread. Why is everyone dropping the focus on Lvdr right now when we had him cold yesterday?

On August 24 2012 08:48 marvellosity wrote:
also, where in the cajones is DJ-lingu?

On August 24 2012 15:53 Shady Sands wrote:
sleeping now. Still not done with filters yet. posting the mega-post in AM. will likely suggest a vigi target/d2 lynch target.

On August 24 2012 23:06 Bluelightz wrote:


I switched because I wanted to have a flip to use as evidence, or as a point to use for better reads.

On August 24 2012 23:56 Bluelightz wrote:


What about chez? he only said he was "ok" with my lynch and switched just like me


Yet you don't have any suspicion on him, atleast I pointed out something about Obvious (long) before I switched to him (But after I changed my mind about him the other day).

What would you do then, if I was the one mislynched today?

On August 25 2012 01:27 talismania wrote:
2) djasdflj possible scum. keen to latch onto wagons (me, lvdr, BL, obvious). overcomposed posts. mirrors posts of others in thread (palmar). keeps saying this is his first game ever on TL but knows too much about newbie games? I'm too lazy to actually see if he played them lol.

On August 27 2012 08:35 iamperfection wrote:

## unvote
## vote Djagulingu

Explain faster.

On August 27 2012 08:40 Shady Sands wrote:


Seconded. Explain faster.

Also, now that I think about it, explain this too:




Here you say that Lvdr and I can't both be townies. So if Lvdr flips scum, then shouldn't you be suspecting me, too?

On August 27 2012 09:36 Shady Sands wrote:
Right now I think town's top priority is to lynch Djagulingu. He hasn't contributed much (but then again, not many have); moreover, his association reads on Lvdr, me and Chez don't make much sense.

On August 27 2012 21:11 Kville wrote:
This is what makes you suspicious:

If lvdr were to flip town then chezinu must be scum? But why? .......and what would happen if chezinu were to flip town as well? Your just making us vote town for scum. This is a pure scum play. Eliminating town after town.



Also marv needs to explain this, why only consider these two? and you werent even here for the rest of the night, so even if we were to give you an explaination it would have been null. The 'reconsideration' wasn't even valid and was just written to display a town feel to the post.

On August 28 2012 00:01 marvellosity wrote:
iamperfection looks like a scumbag based on his day 1 and day 2 voting and lynch patterns.

Day 1 he wants BL dead but does fuck all to make it happen, and only when I make a case and push it hard do votes start coming in on BL. Then he happily hops off on to Obvious, again following my lead.

Day 2 he's voting for a fringe candidate once again, and then practically straight after I ask town to consolidate he starts the voting off on a 3rd candidate, and unsurprisingly town no-lynches. It looks like iamperfection was basically riding on the back of Shady's suspicion, just like he rode on my back to Obvious day 1.

Having the gall to FoS me for how the day 2 lynch went down is just icing on the cake.

On August 28 2012 00:57 iamperfection wrote:

So are you buying his explanation?

On August 28 2012 01:19 Shady Sands wrote:


Why are you agreeing with Talis and iamperfection being more scummy than Chez now?

On August 28 2012 01:03 iamperfection wrote:

Why do you find it necessary to make a trap? Is it impossible for a (town) chezinu to vote for a (town) Lvdr?

On August 28 2012 02:42 Shady Sands wrote:


This post doesn't make sense. It's a WIFOM mindbomb. Dissecting, hold on.

On August 28 2012 01:03 iamperfection wrote:

Why do you find it necessary to make a trap? Is it impossible for a (town) chezinu to vote for a (town) Lvdr?

On August 23 2012 05:49 Chezinu wrote:
Greetings town,

Not Chezinu is back. When I was reading the thread I noticed a lack of accusations and name calling, except that provided by VE. Good work! We need to scare the mafia and make them think we are serious about lynching them and their teammates. We have to act quickly and turn mafia into a panic so that they out of desperation attempt to save their fellow mafia neglecting all long term goals by exposing themselves. I have develop techniques with my persona Chezinu to do this. Day 1 I troll for the first 24 hours goofing around and getting everyone's guard down. I play dumb and act scummy.. so scummy that scum thinks I'm an easy target and try to lynch me. Then the vets notice that it is my usual fishing methods and defend me while attacking the first one who accuses me. It is normal a mafia member who never played a game with me. However, I couldn't troll and act scummy this game because I am playing the sane game. I couldn't call obvious an obvious scum not shady a shady scum. So, I had to devise a new method to catch scum. If you don't gather reactions within the game your playing, you have to rely on others to do it for you. Or you will have to go research people's meta in past games which can be a real pain. I have decided not to do the latter. But I did not want to heavily rely on other people to get mafia to panic. So, I have come up with a plan that I cannot disclose at this time. Fear me mafia, for I have won.

PS: What are your methods to find scum?

On August 28 2012 06:48 Chezinu wrote:
Dj, you need to fix your tune. I don't understand why you care so much for no lynches. Why do you want no lynch so bad?

On August 28 2012 06:51 Chezinu wrote:
Oh and I'm loving the suspicious thanks for protecting me

On August 28 2012 21:28 Kville wrote:


Why not ask the same question to DJ? Why did he vote Chez over talis?

I have a huge suspicion that there is some alignment between DJ and Marv.

The way they attack other people here besides themselves and thier protection of each other with posts. Also, they where the ones who made the mislynch happend. VE was unavailable at the time becuase of the request of the transfer. So could it be possible that these two purposely made this no-lynch happen on DJ? We only needed one vote which could have been Marv's vote but he refused and stuck with his vote making it a no-lynch.

#FoS Marv
#FoS DJ

On August 28 2012 21:55 Kville wrote:


Becuase I am breaking you to your knees and it is working. You and marv are showing huge alignments between each other and it showed that in just a few posts before this one. You already confessing yourselves by the way you are reacting to me and my posts.

On August 28 2012 22:03 Kville wrote:


Then lets flip one.

#Vote DJ

On August 28 2012 22:13 Kville wrote:


Yes. o.o.

On August 28 2012 22:27 Kville wrote:
I will gladly vote for lvdr gratefully, did you have a strategy that if they were both to flip town(lvdr and chez)?
Well by then mafia would have taken a huge win so, I guess that was your strategy.

On August 28 2012 23:29 marvellosity wrote:


His point was that is Lvdr was town, Chez has simply been wagoning from townie to townie with little explanation. What is there to dispute here?

On August 28 2012 12:43 Shady Sands wrote:
A couple possibilities with the Daypost:

1) Scum did not use their KP.
2) Scum used their KP but JK jailed a scum.
3) Scum used their KP but JK jailed their target.
4) Scum used their KP but medic healed the target.

On August 28 2012 23:49 Kville wrote:


So if lvdr was town then doesn't that make it seem like DJ is voting to lynch a townie as well?

On August 29 2012 03:50 talismania wrote:


I had one before and still do. I was hoping to get some reaction from him before jumping down his throat or anything though.

On August 29 2012 04:18 Shady Sands wrote:


Got it.

Alright town it's getting close to that 24 hour deadline now. I'd like everyone to make cases on one or two people and post them before Midnight EDT (sometime in the next nine hours.)

Lurkers will get priority on any lynch/vigi lists I draw up. Move it.

On August 29 2012 05:36 Chezinu wrote:


8th in what list?

On August 29 2012 05:47 talismania wrote:
ok dj I understand what you're trying to say but it doesn't hang together.

This is the post that you said later was intended half as bait:



Your claimed trap was to push a lynch on lvdr, who you supposedly think might be scum. if he is, great, if he isn't maybe you can catch people bandwagoning. So far... ok. But at the time you made that post, you already had two people voting behind you. So the actual trap part wasn't this post, it was the part where you voted lvdr. This doesn't contribute to the supposed trap. Instead it sounds like what it probably is: lynch lvdr, if he flips town, lynch chez. In essence, justifying two days of votes at once, which smells like scum. That isn't bait for anything, and calling it that is a clumsy way to recast your actions.

On August 28 2012 23:43 Djagulingu wrote:

I'm surprised that this is not a newbie game but a normal. Here we go again:

1- I voted on my biggest scum read which was Lvdr, explained why I was doing that.
2- But Lvdr was still 60% scum, tops. There was nobody higher in the ranks though. So if he flips town, I needed something to find who the real scumbags are.
3- Chezinu voted for Lvdr as well, no explanation though. Filter check -> no explanation, no making cases, no explanation of his vote on day 1 either.
4- I called him out.
5- I realized that it was a mistake irl, didn't share it this time though, slept before the deadline, accidentally got myself lynched.
6- Turns out that my "mistake" is not a mistake because then, I see Chezinu bandwagoned on me too. End of D2, all of chezinu's votes were bandwagons on townies (at least 2/3 were), no explanations on votings, no making cases himself, no nothing pro-town.
7- Here I am, with my suspects and shit.

On August 29 2012 06:01 Chezinu wrote:


Read my filter. If you really want reasons so bad, I will tell you. Palmar is known to be a great player as well as VE. They were really the only two people I focused on during day 1. If any one was going to get lynched, it was suspects chosen by one of the two. We end up trying to lynch lvdr first. He was one of my first suspects. Then I saw VE defending him and accused VE. Palmar comes into the thread suspecting obvious. Knowing Palmar had a talent of finding scum I voted obvious along with him. I had suspicions at the time that mafia was trying to get a no lynch because the votes were so spread out. So, I tried to get people to consolidate their vote. No one was voting obvious, so I think I might have switch to lvdr after that - I don't fully recall, you can check if you want. I know I was busy in RL at the time and disappeared for a while. When I came back somehow everyone was voting bluelight - I don't recall the reason. To aviod a no lynch, I jumped on board. Then blue was acting as if he was already dead. I remember writing in the thread that I thought it wasn't insta lynch - which I ended up being right. Blue has an ephany and realizes that he wasn't dead and posts a document calling almost everyone town. It was funny and we all laughed. Then we realized that mafia would never let one of their own members do something so foolish. So we decided to switch after the realization that everyone was actively lurking (we could see how many people viewed the document). So we jumped on to Palmar's suspect, Obvious. Cause Palmar had the best chance of catching scum. Unfortunately, obvious was town. Then mafia killed Palmar, who was the most towniest of all of us. It reminded me of when WBG died in my last game (however this reference is meaningless this game cause VE is no longer playing and no one will get my references), Now for Day 2...day 2 is kind of a blurr to me. I do remember voting lvdr to finally try to get him to flip. I come back at the end of the day and no one was voting for lvdr. However there was 3 votes on you (Dj), two of which were Iamperfection and Shady. Two people I trust to be town - they both have defended me. Mafia would never defend a troll like me. Most mafia would actually do the opposite and try and get me lynched. From experience, I am inclined to trust them. There happy, I responded to you!

On August 29 2012 12:16 Shady Sands wrote:


KVille what are your other reads? Could you elaborate on why DJ needs to be gone D4?

On August 29 2012 15:51 Shady Sands wrote:
DJ, I'm curious to hear in more detail why you want to vote Talis over Lvdr or Chez.

On August 29 2012 15:57 Shady Sands wrote:


Players go AFK etc. for a myriad of reasons. Making a vote against them on that sole basis is usually sub-optimal. You're already on multiple FoS lists and here, again, you sheep Marv with poor reasoning. This is a warning to post better.

On August 29 2012 16:20 Shady Sands wrote:

Except he's laid low ever since the D1 mislynch. And how is him using your case on Chez/talis/IamP turn into an advantage that lets him lay low for a bit?

On August 29 2012 16:28 Shady Sands wrote:

Got it. And none of my other tells on him stick?

On August 29 2012 16:43 Shady Sands wrote:

So even with all that you're still reading him as less scummy than Talis, who has actually stepped up tremendously in posting? I mean, Talis even somehow got Chez to stop trolling all of us. That's crazy.

Also, I find it odd how you could call for a Talis/Chez/IamP scumteam when the three were basically on the verge of FoSing each other earlier today. It reminded me of the ending scene from the Good the Bad and the Ugly in there for a while.

On August 29 2012 17:00 Shady Sands wrote:

Fair enough. But is that behavior worth a vote? I mean, generally scum don't alter their behavior in response to a townread, only to votes, yet they all changed their behavior before you even voted them.

On August 25 2012 12:55 iamperfection wrote:
We finish what we should have done yesterday.

## Vote Bluelightz

On August 29 2012 00:40 iamperfection wrote:

He is a troll so I dont know.

On August 23 2012 06:59 talismania wrote:


holy shit that's genius

##vote:lvdr

On August 29 2012 13:25 iamperfection wrote:


Tails said he wouldnt be as active this is a completetly diffrent then his actvity levels in the mad men game. I dont understand



So he apologizes for being afk so much but then does this



Why not warn us that he is going camping? I think its because he full of shit

## Vote talismania

On August 29 2012 06:01 Chezinu wrote:


Read my filter. If you really want reasons so bad, I will tell you. Palmar is known to be a great player as well as VE. They were really the only two people I focused on during day 1. If any one was going to get lynched, it was suspects chosen by one of the two. We end up trying to lynch lvdr first. He was one of my first suspects. Then I saw VE defending him and accused VE. Palmar comes into the thread suspecting obvious. Knowing Palmar had a talent of finding scum I voted obvious along with him. I had suspicions at the time that mafia was trying to get a no lynch because the votes were so spread out. So, I tried to get people to consolidate their vote. No one was voting obvious, so I think I might have switch to lvdr after that - I don't fully recall, you can check if you want. I know I was busy in RL at the time and disappeared for a while. When I came back somehow everyone was voting bluelight - I don't recall the reason. To aviod a no lynch, I jumped on board. Then blue was acting as if he was already dead. I remember writing in the thread that I thought it wasn't insta lynch - which I ended up being right. Blue has an ephany and realizes that he wasn't dead and posts a document calling almost everyone town. It was funny and we all laughed. Then we realized that mafia would never let one of their own members do something so foolish. So we decided to switch after the realization that everyone was actively lurking (we could see how many people viewed the document). So we jumped on to Palmar's suspect, Obvious. Cause Palmar had the best chance of catching scum. Unfortunately, obvious was town. Then mafia killed Palmar, who was the most towniest of all of us. It reminded me of when WBG died in my last game (however this reference is meaningless this game cause VE is no longer playing and no one will get my references), Now for Day 2...day 2 is kind of a blurr to me. I do remember voting lvdr to finally try to get him to flip. I come back at the end of the day and no one was voting for lvdr. However there was 3 votes on you (Dj), two of which were Iamperfection and Shady. Two people I trust to be town - they both have defended me. Mafia would never defend a troll like me. Most mafia would actually do the opposite and try and get me lynched. From experience, I am inclined to trust them. There happy, I responded to you!

On August 29 2012 03:28 Chezinu wrote:
my list:

1.) marvellosity
2.) talismania
3.) Lvdr
8.) Djagulingu
10.) Kville
11.) Miltonkram

so far I think almost everyone is comfortable saying bluelight is town? Add in that I believe shady is innocent along with iamperfection and you get the above list. So now, let everyone highlight 3 names on that list that they think are mafia like this:

1.) marvellosity
2.) talismania
3.) Lvdr
8.) Djagulingu
10.) Kville
11.) Miltonkram

On August 29 2012 22:57 Bluelightz wrote:
I don't know, talis's post's seem's townie compared to his scum game in Pick Your Poison, granted in PYP he was active, but I dunno, I'll vote talis before I sleep though to consolidate (as I won't be there for the deadline, school started).

On August 30 2012 21:20 Kville wrote:


Don't even marv. Honestly im sick of your bull. That right there shows me how desperate you are looking for a player to lynch.

Also, note the fact on how affirmitive Marv is about lynching away from others

On August 30 2012 22:44 Bluelightz wrote:
If I could kill someone let's kill Lingu.

On August 30 2012 22:54 Kville wrote:

This kid is cracking. He knows he is done now. So let's just finish it, when the day starts.

On August 31 2012 01:05 marvellosity wrote:




yeah ok

On August 31 2012 14:42 Shady Sands wrote:
I'm beginning to think KVille may be scum.

Talis/KV/DJ?

Chez is just really hard to read =(

On September 01 2012 08:05 talismania wrote:
alright so I guess I'm losing this for town but here goes anyway. tomorrow will be my gf's birthday and I won't be around to fight.

1) All anyone seems to have on me is that I have been inactive. I have been inactive. I have also been busy. Because I am busy, I am inactive. I even said pre-game that I thought I wouldn't be able to be as active as I was in mad men and I even I underestimated how much shit I would have to do then.

2) If I'm scum the NKs don't make sense. Why do I kill BL, who had a townish read on me coming into this lylo situation? Why is marv still alive, when he's been gunning for me forever? Milton wasn't on my case either - why him and not shady, for instance?

3) DJ is one of the scum. Pregame - spammy, eager. During the game - composed, longer posts, less active. Day one - first post is a giant commentary on nothing. All thread response and talk about palmar's randokill thing, the perfect topic for scum to talk about in order to look like they're contributing without doing so. Many of his day one posts are nothing but following the way the wind blows. Obvious comes up, he'll look into him. Marv votes kville? DJ will go for kville as a lurker. Etc. Day two - the lvdr and bait debacle. He votes for lvdr because he supposedly thinks he's scum and if he's not suspects that a wagon on him will draw out real scum. Nevermind that this is a stupid way to trap scum in the first place, it's also likely he invented his explanation for the sequence of events posthoc. Day three - after catching me in his trap (somehow? I vote at the end of day two without even reading and saw he had four votes and I was already suspicious of him), he completely reverts his vote off me, happy to lynch lvdr:



Uh, look at his filter going backwards from this post. Lvdr was nowhere near the top of his list near as I can tell. It was me, chezinu, maybe iamp. This is scum opportunism.


4) Marv is one of the scum. VE was right about him. He should be more in charge than he is. He has pushed me nonstop on the basis of nothing but meta. If he were town, I can't see him being like "oh let's do this and lynch talismania" at lylo. He may feel very strongly about me, but he would pressure everyone else in town to get their reads on everyone. He would carefully consider his options. His confidence in my lynch is misplaced for what it should be. This goes for DJ as well. Contrast this with how iamp and shady are actually thinking about things before they make up their minds and whatnot for example. Leads into my last point:

5) People this is the end of the game. Think carefully about what you're doing.

##vote: dj

On September 02 2012 00:36 iamperfection wrote:

The play's the thing!

On September 02 2012 00:53 iamperfection wrote:

Have you ever read shakespeare?

On September 02 2012 06:25 Kville wrote:

Now your just guessing. And honestly would we it really be this obvious?town lost if this vote goes through.

On September 04 2012 15:38 Shady Sands wrote:

Why is IamP town?

On September 04 2012 16:25 Shady Sands wrote:

Why?

On September 04 2012 22:39 Kville wrote:

Only scum needs to defend themselves. Im suspicious against everyone because I'm trying to find the last two scum. I see my role and I know it is over with these current votes in play.

Unow it is just whatever, I might as well get my vote out since the game is down regardless. If dj reveals town at the end game then hey I was wrong if he flips scum I'd be laughing till I fall it's part of the game.

On September 05 2012 13:43 Chezinu wrote:

But... he killed tali!!!

On September 05 2012 14:03 Chezinu wrote:
"I just started paying attention to this game and so far my only conclusion is that I never want to play in a game with chezinu"

why is that?

Sooooo who wants to read the scum QT?

On September 05 2012 16:36 DoYouHas wrote:
This makes two games I read you like a book Marv. Haha!