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Shady Sands
Profile Blog Joined June 2012
United States4021 Posts
August 25 2012 03:07 GMT
#997
On August 25 2012 11:38 VisceraEyes wrote:
For the record, scum WANT everyone pointing fingers at everyone. It's what they fucking THRIVE on. But yeah, whatever. Continue being a horrible horrible player.


Yeah. This isn't going to help you out of the hole VE.
Что?
Shady Sands
Profile Blog Joined June 2012
United States4021 Posts
August 25 2012 04:03 GMT
#1000
On August 25 2012 12:55 iamperfection wrote:
We finish what we should have done yesterday.

## Vote Bluelightz

He hasent changed anything and then attempts to make a case on the god damn troll? Screw that the chezinu case seems to be just a hollow attempt to feign scum hunting. It reads as simply going the safe avenue to me. BLuelightz will spill red blood. Vote for this guy.


What is your PoV on the Lvdr lynch?
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Shady Sands
Profile Blog Joined June 2012
United States4021 Posts
August 25 2012 04:03 GMT
#1001
And where is KVille?
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Shady Sands
Profile Blog Joined June 2012
United States4021 Posts
August 25 2012 04:22 GMT
#1003
On August 25 2012 13:13 iamperfection wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 25 2012 13:03 Shady Sands wrote:
On August 25 2012 12:55 iamperfection wrote:
We finish what we should have done yesterday.

## Vote Bluelightz

He hasent changed anything and then attempts to make a case on the god damn troll? Screw that the chezinu case seems to be just a hollow attempt to feign scum hunting. It reads as simply going the safe avenue to me. BLuelightz will spill red blood. Vote for this guy.


What is your PoV on the Lvdr lynch?

What is your PoV on lynching bluelightz?


To quote:

BlueLightz and Marv -- Either they're both scum or they're both not. Basically I don't buy Marv's reasoning. Given that, he pulled a high risk maneuver for one reason: to save a scum BL. If Lvdr doesn't flip scum I recommend going after Marv and BL.


This was from the post I put up right before daypost. My point of view on BL remains, I think there was more to Marv's save of BL than what he claimed to be the case. But the people who sheeped Marv--you and Lvdr--are much more guilty right now, hence focusing lynching D2 efforts on you two.

I ask you again: what is your read on Lvdr. Don't make me ask a third time. And it's also pretty impolite to respond to someone's question with a question of your own.
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Shady Sands
Profile Blog Joined June 2012
United States4021 Posts
August 25 2012 04:45 GMT
#1005
On August 25 2012 13:37 iamperfection wrote:
it takes all my will power to not respond to your "impolite" remark.

I will keep it simple Lvdr went after VE for a good majority of the day. VE from early on was showing he was going to be active this game. I dont see scum going after ve it would be very hard to lynch him in my view. Therfore i read lvdr as town.


...Except BlueLightz went after Marv for a good majority of the day. Marv was just as active as VE. So by your logic how can you read BL as scum and Lvdr as town?

Unless your read is based purely on BL fingering Chez. But given that, Lvdr has fingered 2 other people above Obvious with even less justification than BL on Chez.
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Shady Sands
Profile Blog Joined June 2012
United States4021 Posts
August 25 2012 04:48 GMT
#1006
Going to sleep now. When I awake, I'd like to see thoughts on reads Lvdr, IamP, Marv, and BL.

And I want KVille to post something of substance or else I will suggest a vigi kill on him.
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Shady Sands
Profile Blog Joined June 2012
United States4021 Posts
August 25 2012 13:29 GMT
#1010
On August 25 2012 13:49 Kville wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 25 2012 13:03 Shady Sands wrote:
And where is KVille?

Hi^.^

Okay. Vigi kill?
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Shady Sands
Profile Blog Joined June 2012
United States4021 Posts
August 25 2012 14:36 GMT
#1011
On August 25 2012 18:47 marvellosity wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 25 2012 13:49 Kville wrote:
On August 25 2012 13:03 Shady Sands wrote:
And where is KVille?

Hi^.^


Tell us now, are you going to actually do anything this game, or sit around making comments like a useless douchebag? I just need to know what to expect.

My activity level is going to drop for the next couple of days. Bank holiday weekend in the UK. I'll be phone-checking/posting at regular intervals, so hopefully it'll be fine.

VE and Shady are just as bad as each other for making connection theories pre-flip with me and Lvdr or Bluelightz, take your pick. Noob mistakes. Shady showing he's absolutely delusional by expecting to be hit last night as well.

I'm going to have to take a closer look at Lvdr to see if I'm missing something. And we should still lynch the piss out of talis. Good lord has he done nothing and that's not his town meta. VE, you saw him play in Mad Men dude. This is not it.


Marv, can you make cases based on something not meta?

Also, what do you think about the cases already posted.
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Shady Sands
Profile Blog Joined June 2012
United States4021 Posts
August 25 2012 20:29 GMT
#1020
Dude we had 62 posts in the Newbie XXV thread in the same time this thread got 8 posts. What is wrong with you people.
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Shady Sands
Profile Blog Joined June 2012
United States4021 Posts
August 25 2012 21:24 GMT
#1021
On August 26 2012 01:10 Lvdr wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 25 2012 12:55 iamperfection wrote:
We finish what we should have done yesterday.

## Vote Bluelightz

He hasent changed anything and then attempts to make a case on the god damn troll? Screw that the chezinu case seems to be just a hollow attempt to feign scum hunting. It reads as simply going the safe avenue to me. BLuelightz will spill red blood. Vote for this guy.


On August 25 2012 13:01 Bluelightz wrote:


Out of the activity since D1 I think this stuck out to me the most. WIFOM I know, but this feels to me like a mafia trying to ride the pressure from yesterday into another mislynch.

Chez has been worthless, I don't think he is a bad lynch. Therefore this reads to me to be a mafia trying to redirect scumhunting energies from a partner without committing so much he cant end up voting for chez later. More a gut read than anything else.

In a weird way though it seems I might be a good lynch target because it might actually give the town some leads when I flip green. Still don't want to die, but if i'm so untrustworthy -- anything for the town


Martyring yourself won't help. Especially since you were willing to vote Obvious for martyring himself.

## Vote Lvdr
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Shady Sands
Profile Blog Joined June 2012
United States4021 Posts
August 25 2012 21:24 GMT
#1022
ebwop messed up the formatting there. BL should be nested inside Lvdr.
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Shady Sands
Profile Blog Joined June 2012
United States4021 Posts
August 25 2012 21:54 GMT
#1025
On August 26 2012 06:53 marvellosity wrote:
Lvdr, what's this Shady thing about??


We just ripped into each other hard in Newbie XXV.
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Shady Sands
Profile Blog Joined June 2012
United States4021 Posts
August 25 2012 23:12 GMT
#1028
On August 26 2012 08:04 VisceraEyes wrote:
I can kill Chezinu too. For funsies.


Are you scum or vig? B/c townies can't kill.
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Shady Sands
Profile Blog Joined June 2012
United States4021 Posts
August 26 2012 00:01 GMT
#1032
On August 26 2012 08:38 marvellosity wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 26 2012 06:54 Shady Sands wrote:
On August 26 2012 06:53 marvellosity wrote:
Lvdr, what's this Shady thing about??


We just ripped into each other hard in Newbie XXV.


Except this isn't that game. Make your f
eelings clear this game please. Read talis and let me know what you think.


I'm perfectly clear. It's Lvdr who's getting steamed. And you still haven't shared your thoughts on Lvdr.
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Shady Sands
Profile Blog Joined June 2012
United States4021 Posts
August 26 2012 11:35 GMT
#1036
On August 26 2012 14:33 Lvdr wrote:
Hmm my read on chez is that he is engaged in the game. His voting patterns look pretty pro-town (extremely active at deadline, seems to be trying to find a good lynch even if he doesn't actually state reasoning)

Unfortunately it is very hard (at least for me) to read a troll player. YourHarry's scum game was deadly effective, and it doesn't seem that a troll townie could be all that useful to the town.

Not sure why he voted for me, but hopefully there is an explanation at the other end of the rainbow.

That being said, I think a vigi shot could be a good call at this point.

Does the town know who made the shot

Regarding talis, I would give him no better than a null read. 2 points that stuck out to me.
1. The activity is quite low, and not particularly filled with content. I wouldn't call it downright scummy though.
2. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=359836&currentpage=25#497
This post latches on to a stretch of a case, complete agreement, no further points made, never revisited beyond his initial AHA moment.

Maybe I've talked myself into a scum-read. I have to see how I feel after some-more activity.


This point is a classic WIFOM slip.

You think chez is engaged. But you don't know since he's trolly. You cite an anecdote from another player in another game who was trolly and flipped scum. You don't know why he voted for you and subtly criticize his troll logic for doing so. And then you finish that part by asking for a vigi shot... on who? Chez for being trolly? Or you?

You don't even address any of the other cases on yourself except by saying that you've talked yourself into a scum-read. You just address Chez's case, and even then, only implicitly, because Chez's case is the weakest.

On Talis: Both points you cite regarding Talis are clear scumtells. Low content, lurky behavior. But somehow not "downright scummy." Then you cite his largest post as an example of active scumming. Then you say he is a null read. What?

This entire post is an attempt to look active without committing to reads. This is a huge scumtell.

Town, if you still haven't made up your minds about Lvdr yet, the above should be a clear reason to vote for a lynch on him.
Что?
Shady Sands
Profile Blog Joined June 2012
United States4021 Posts
August 26 2012 12:31 GMT
#1037
Where is everyone? Lynch is less than a day away.
Что?
Shady Sands
Profile Blog Joined June 2012
United States4021 Posts
August 26 2012 12:32 GMT
#1038
Wait nvm scratch that last post.

How far away is lynch?
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Shady Sands
Profile Blog Joined June 2012
United States4021 Posts
August 26 2012 16:21 GMT
#1044
On August 26 2012 23:00 Kville wrote:
EWOP:

code messed up first sentence of my post. All those quotes are refering to what VE said during the last hours of the lynch.


KVille, I'm actually pretty intrigued by your VE read, since it matches some suspicions I've had myself. Let me ask you this: why would a scum VE want to protect BL, if BL was town?
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Shady Sands
Profile Blog Joined June 2012
United States4021 Posts
August 26 2012 16:22 GMT
#1045
To add: but don't let that distract you KV from the big task today: lynching Lvdr. Read through his filter, and tell us what you think.

Also, welcome back to the thread and thanks for participating. I'll try to be nicer in mafia now (sorry Lvdr.)
Что?
Shady Sands
Profile Blog Joined June 2012
United States4021 Posts
August 26 2012 16:53 GMT
#1048
On August 27 2012 01:29 Lvdr wrote:
Shady try being smarter.

Sure. Anyhow, what do you think about KV's post on VE?
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