EPTOn August 24 2012 12:31 iamperfection wrote:
marvelosity explained it.............
marvelosity explained it.............
Ah, okay, got it.
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On August 25 2012 03:00 marvellosity wrote: I can't remember the games, but WoF was the genesis for these thoughts. See posts like these + Show Spoiler + On April 24 2012 21:32 Bluelightz wrote: Toad, I know that your not Okay with this, but at least im going to explain how im going to try to find scum :/ 1 Mr Zentor 2 SamuelLJackson (Toadesstern+sandroba hydra) 3 Radfield 4 Snarfs 5 VisceraEyes 6 Phagga 7 prplhz 8 strongandbig 9 Forumite 10 Sbrubbles 11 marvellosity 13 Ace By cutting down the townies who I think are town, There are less people to read,etc. I guess you may just call this by process of elimination. Also, your exaggerating very much, I'm not calling 'EVERYONE' Town. On my suspicions, I have a sneaking feeling that prp is scum, MrZentor I'm debating as well. + Show Spoiler + On April 26 2012 23:04 Bluelightz wrote: Here is my current standings on people before I sleep 1 Mr Zentor 2 SamuelLJackson (Toadesstern+sandroba hydra) 3 Radfield 4 Snarfs 5 VisceraEyes 6 Phagga 7 prplhz 8 strongandbig 9 Forumite 10 Sbrubbles 11 marvellosity 13 Ace That's it? | ||
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On August 25 2012 03:02 marvellosity wrote: Are you completely unable to read? You cited 6 games marv and all you can do to justify a meta read is 2 posts? You said you backfiltered his games. You made it sound very impressive. And this is it? Can you read? | ||
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Here is how it went down: Marv switches from BL based on his read of BL's all-green spreadsheet. Lvdr follows IamP follows VE, who has wanted Obvious dead from the outset, follows Chez follows BL hammers This isn't as bad as it seems. Scum didn't want a mislynch on Obvious, scum wanted a no-lynch to minimize the amount of information town could get from D1. Given how split and apathetic town was close to the deadline, it was certainly possible that they could have pulled it off. But they didn't. In this context, Chez and BL do not look scummy. BL could have easily kept his vote on someone else and gone for a no-lynch. Chez probably assumed BL was going to lynch Obvious, so his vote is a quasi hammer. VE I'm a bit more uncertain on, but his play, while not necessarily pro-lynching-the-right-person, was clearly anti-no-lynch. So his behavior there is basically a null read. This leaves the first three. Marv, Lvdr, and IamP. First, let's look at Marv's reasoning for the switch from BL to Obvious: On August 24 2012 10:19 marvellosity wrote: oh shit. Bluelightz is probably town. Unless this is an insane stunt (which I don't think BL is capable of), my own personal metaread on him (quite proud of its accuracy) is that as townie he's obsessed with other townies, and as scum with scum. His spreadsheet, while ridiculous, absolutely shows his mindset this game. His response also feels townie since he got back. I'm not at all comfortable with this lynch now, and Obvious is the better option. ##Unvote ##Vote: Obvious.660 On August 24 2012 10:26 marvellosity wrote: I find it far more plausible that that was his actual spreadsheet than one invented. Calling everyone town is a ludicrous idea. He also came back for the lynch, and his posts on return seemed townie too. On August 24 2012 10:33 marvellosity wrote: A couple of games ago in a game with him I back-filtered about 6 games of his. Every time he was town he was obsessed with townies, every time he was scum he'd make scumreads. Unfortunately I was too emotionally invested in other stuff in NMM2, but go take a look where he was scum there. Lots of scum reads, no town reads. On August 24 2012 10:36 marvellosity wrote: it's not been wrong yet, and yes i do feel very strongly about it. A decent part of my case was that he didn't care about the lynch and he's here caring about the lynch (even if it does involve himself). He said there was a small chance he'd be here for deadline but he is. It's based purely on meta. And he didn't even list the games he looked at. When I asked him for the games he just listed one game as the "genesis" of his thoughts. Then he started yelling at me T_T. I'm almost inclined to call bullshit on it, but what troubles me is how easily people sheeped. The true culprits here are not Marv but the sheepers, Lvdr and IamP. IamP goes from not suspecting Obvious at all, to saying "I agree" and then sheeping Marv on Obvious. But IamP at least jumped into the thread to rein me in when I went off the reservation and switched my vote to VE rather than BL. So it doesn't seem like he's working for a no-lynch. That leaves Lvdr. Here's his filter: On August 23 2012 05:58 Lvdr wrote: @VE It is entirely possible Shady misunderstood your suspicions. In my last few games we have had to deal with a lot of suspicious Bad townies. This is what shady looks like me right now. This statement is really over the top. You seem too experienced to push this as town; therefore I find your behavior scummy. ##Vote: VisceraEyes He starts with a quick vote on VE. Then he defends himself from VE's scumslip accusation at him, then FOS's Chez and BL. Then he switches his vote to BL. This is where things get a little wierd. On August 24 2012 07:42 Lvdr wrote: Ok I'm back, and I still think ve smells funny. Total gut feel so I'm not going to vote it today. Of the lynch candidates I think bl or chez would be the best. Given that chez is not on the block... ##vote bluelightz Got some reading to do. Apparently his "gut feel" on VE was enough to make him clog up the thread with questions on VE, and even when those questions were never answered, he somehow forgets about them, then unvotes VE and switches to BL for the simple reason that BL hasn't posted enough content. Then he starts asking about VE again instead of trying to persuade other people of a lynch on BL. Then finger points Palmar for the no lynch move. Then says he's willing to consolidate on Obvious and switches his vote to Obvious before a consensus is clear on obvious. But in spite of looking dorky and out of touch through this whole process, he is following the vote process closely. When someone asks how many votes are necessary, he jumps to the call and informs "7 vote lynch." Then finally he sheeps Marv--but critically, after he sheeps Marv, this is what he posts: On August 24 2012 10:28 Lvdr wrote: Most times the simplest explanation is also the right one. This game has been very confusing so the "alltown" read is possible. Smells very mislynchy to me. It's almost like he's trying inject uncertainty into the vote minutes before lynch deadline. Advocating an alltown read then also smacks of trying to push for a no-lynch. Then says "lynch obv, he's eating dinner." At this point, it just looks like he doesn't give a shit. Then finally when Obvious comes back into the thread, he takes the first angry post Obvious makes and calls it a scumtell: But note that he only does this AFTER ALL SEVEN VOTES ARE IN. Basically he does nothing to encourage lynch before the hammer and only flips to feeling good about Obv lynch after he's hammered. Based on Lvdr's D1 behavior and his extremely pro-no-lynch behavior after the Obvious switch, I'm going to call for a vigi hit and/or D2 lynch on him. Finally, there are a few association theories which I think we can draw, but only after Lvdr flips. Conclusion: [b]## Vote Lvdr and/or vigi whack him. | ||
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## Vote Lvdr and/or vigi whack him. | ||
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3. Straight up I am suspicious of VE, I have made numerous posts about it. 6. Obvious was #3 on my lynch list behind BL and Chez. Given your suspicion on VE, where did VE go on your lynch list? | ||
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On August 25 2012 05:37 Kville wrote: Best bedtime story ever! is all I gotta say. This became interesting. Aren't you going to post reads instead of fluff? You're still under FoS. | ||
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On August 25 2012 04:49 iamperfection wrote: Why would you not share your theories? Because 1) They're not that useful prior to having Lvdr's alignment revealed 2) I don't want to give scum information during nighttime. I will likely post them around 1-3 minutes before the dayflip. | ||
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On August 25 2012 04:49 Lvdr wrote: VE was #4. He is an active and productive poster, and killing him as town would be a blow to the town. However as I have stated http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=359836¤tpage=23#454 http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=359836¤tpage=24#463 http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=359836¤tpage=24#469 http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=359836¤tpage=26#514 http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=359836¤tpage=27#524 http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=359836¤tpage=27#529 http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=359836¤tpage=39#770 http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=359836¤tpage=39#773 http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=359836¤tpage=39#774 Maybe this is just me being paranoid, but for what its worth here are my suspicions of VE. If VE was #4 why didn't you mention that in your original post? He was your top read for most of D1. The thing is, all throughout D1 you never mentioned obvious as being scummy (barely even mentioned him at all) up until the point where he'd already been hammered. Now you're claiming you find obvious a better lynch than VE, who you were pretty much FoSing for 40 straight hours? | ||
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Okay. What do you think about my Lvdr read? | ||
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Here are my top reads at the moment: KVille -- Disappeared for most of D1. Never responded properly to our accusations. Pops into thread to say hi. Has nothing to say about the Obvious mislynch. BlueLightz and Marv -- Either they're both scum or they're both not. Basically I don't buy Marv's reasoning. Given that, he pulled a high risk maneuver for one reason: to save a scum BL. If Lvdr doesn't flip scum I recommend going after Marv and BL. VE -- My read has shifted to null. Going after Obvious that early (before the lynch on him was assured) is a town move. No scum would push for a mislynch that hard at that stage. Although his mysterious townread on BL leaves him on the watchlist. IamP -- Scummy play throughout. Hit him hard. Watchlist. | ||
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Anyhow, everybody: No vigi hit on Lvdr means I say we lynch him. Please read my case above, and consider that a starting point for our D2 discussion. | ||
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On August 25 2012 11:10 Bluelightz wrote: Noooooo  shut the hell up, you and your scum buddies are probably cheering this in the QT. | ||
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I was the only guy who didn't go along with the Obvious wagon. People had me down as a confirmed townie. | ||
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On August 25 2012 11:24 VisceraEyes wrote: I was using your words - you said you're gonna get mislynched, so I said mislynched...it was meant to tell you that if you get lynched it's of your own doing just as much as it would be Shady for posting like that. And besides, that wouldn't be "something [you] don't"...in theory you should know your own alignment. This is wierd. First you seem to have prior knowledge of BL being town. Then you make slips like this. Then you defend this question from BL in such a careful way that you don't reveal whether you think BL is town or scum. ## FoS VisceraEyes | ||
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On August 25 2012 11:33 VisceraEyes wrote: Who had you down as confirmed townie? And what does the fact that you didn't jump on a mislynch have to do with anything? Talismania did. On August 25 2012 01:27 talismania wrote: =/ so it turns out I have to do a lot of work today too. brief thoguhts: 1) iamperfection possible scum. active lurked the entire lynch and near lynch time did nothing to push his strongest scum read BL. let others do it. then hopped off bl with little comment. 2) djasdflj possible scum. keen to latch onto wagons (me, lvdr, BL, obvious). overcomposed posts. mirrors posts of others in thread (palmar). keeps saying this is his first game ever on TL but knows too much about newbie games? I'm too lazy to actually see if he played them lol. 3) kville might just be a young kid and not scum. his delurk timing was pretty awesome just now thoguh. 4) lvdr I completely read that wrong. null. 5) shady is town. he cares and maintains his pressure. 6) VE is still probably town. | ||
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