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On September 04 2012 08:23 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On September 04 2012 08:17 Shady Sands wrote:On September 04 2012 08:15 marvellosity wrote:On September 04 2012 07:57 Shady Sands wrote:
Instead of just starting by voting Lvdr? After all Lvdr was an easy mislynch choice who did he end up voting? DJ started by voting Talis, then switched to Lvdr. You even called him out for it, I think yes, it was a leading question ^^ my point was, actions > words. It's all very well voting for talis to start with, but it's totally meaningless if your vote doesn't end up on talis (and with little explanation, to boot)
Actually, I'd read that as a town tell, because this is majority and time-based plurality lynch. In majority lynch, there's pressure to bandwagon on the leading candidate to ensure no no-lynch happens. So by piling on a wagon, you make it more likely that others will consider your wagon more heavily.
In a time-based plurality setup, the opposite is true: if someone disagrees with the lynch, then you voting on someone will make it feel more urgent for that person to push their candidate to make sure their candidate wins the "race".
Basically, if DJ was a scum, why would he make Talis look like the leading candidate with less than 24 hours to go, and only switch away from Talis once the votes got very close? That's not optimal scum play
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On September 04 2012 08:30 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On September 04 2012 08:27 Shady Sands wrote:On September 04 2012 08:23 marvellosity wrote:On September 04 2012 08:17 Shady Sands wrote:On September 04 2012 08:15 marvellosity wrote:On September 04 2012 07:57 Shady Sands wrote:
Instead of just starting by voting Lvdr? After all Lvdr was an easy mislynch choice who did he end up voting? DJ started by voting Talis, then switched to Lvdr. You even called him out for it, I think yes, it was a leading question ^^ my point was, actions > words. It's all very well voting for talis to start with, but it's totally meaningless if your vote doesn't end up on talis (and with little explanation, to boot) Actually, I'd read that as a town tell, because this is majority and time-based plurality lynch. In majority lynch, there's pressure to bandwagon on the leading candidate to ensure no no-lynch happens. So by piling on a wagon, you make it more likely that others will consider your wagon more heavily. In a time-based plurality setup, the opposite is true: if someone disagrees with the lynch, then you voting on someone will make it feel more urgent for that person to push their candidate to make sure their candidate wins the "race". Basically, if DJ was a scum, why would he make Talis look like the leading candidate with less than 24 hours to go, and only switch away from Talis once the votes got very close? That's not optimal scum play this is wifom. only switching away when the votes get close tells its own story. "not optimal" scumplay doesn't mean it isn't scumplay. Do you think Kville has made optimal scumplays?
Hmmmmm, fair enough. Yeah KV's scumplay has been pretty bad.
Reading through DJ's filter, the only thing that seems a little wierd is that he pushed for a Lvdr lynch D2 but then tried to associate a town flip on Lvdr to a lynch vote on Chez, which is almost exactly what KV wanted to do with Lvdr and DJ.
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On September 04 2012 08:37 Chezinu wrote:Show nested quote +On September 04 2012 07:57 Shady Sands wrote:On September 04 2012 07:49 Chezinu wrote:On September 04 2012 07:36 Shady Sands wrote:On September 04 2012 07:32 Chezinu wrote:On September 04 2012 07:09 Shady Sands wrote:On September 04 2012 06:54 marvellosity wrote:
I'm going to be in the thread properly in about 1.5 hours, and reading everything through, and I'll be around for at least a couple of hours. So if people are around and want to discuss shit, it's a good time. I want Chez to give his reasoning on the KVille vote. So far he's disappeared completely from the thread Through process of elimination I have concluded that DJ and kville are the last two mafia Explain please Shady innocent Iamperfection innocent Leaves DJ marv and kville Of those kville and DJ would make a good team cause they are going against each other. Plus marv was pushing tali before anyone cosidered him. But then why would DJ start by voting Talis D3? Why would kville bus DJ?
I don't think KV is bussing DJ, as KV has been going after DJ from the start of D3, miles before a LYLO situation was apparent. Remember, Talis was the leading candidate for a while D3.
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On September 04 2012 09:12 Kville wrote:Show nested quote +On September 04 2012 08:46 marvellosity wrote:
There are things besides the blindingly obvious in Kville's filter which show he's scum. The obvious being the voting to kill townies and refusing to vote for scum.
There are smaller things to do with this that tie it together, though. He's been trying to discredit me for quite a lage part of the game. Never with evidence, just pokes and aggression. Insidious play.
He basically barely mentions talis at any point. His filter is mostly devoid of an opinion on talis even though he was a very serious lynch candidate day 3 and got lynched day 4. His tunnelling of lingu seems to be a way of avoiding having to deal with the talis situation. Blind tunnelling is a favourite scum tactic to make it look like they're contributing.
Notice how he's backed off me in the last 48 hours or so. Up to now I've avoided being overly committal on Kville. Suddenly his read on me has softened markedly as he thinks I might take his side, so he stops antagonising me.
##Vote: Kville
the kicker is which of chez and lingu :/ Very well. I was hoping you be able to help by making the right decision. Guess not. im pretty sure the votes are unanimous correct? Can I get the number of hours till please? Town do me a favor and stop sheeping. Either marv or shady is scum along with dj or possibly iamp. One of each from the two groups.
Er... what happened to Chez?
This is what KV wrote on Chez guys
On September 04 2012 06:06 Kville wrote:
Well seeing how 4 of 5 of those people on the list are town and have been whacked off with the last town going to be gone aswell. It does show some suspicious activity. Did he sheep vote me aswell? If so it can be probable that he is.
???
Anyhow at this point I'm just going to assume that KV is scum and that he's intentionally trying to confuse the town
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On September 04 2012 09:21 Kville wrote:Show nested quote +On September 04 2012 09:15 Shady Sands wrote:On September 04 2012 09:12 Kville wrote:On September 04 2012 08:46 marvellosity wrote:
There are things besides the blindingly obvious in Kville's filter which show he's scum. The obvious being the voting to kill townies and refusing to vote for scum.
There are smaller things to do with this that tie it together, though. He's been trying to discredit me for quite a lage part of the game. Never with evidence, just pokes and aggression. Insidious play.
He basically barely mentions talis at any point. His filter is mostly devoid of an opinion on talis even though he was a very serious lynch candidate day 3 and got lynched day 4. His tunnelling of lingu seems to be a way of avoiding having to deal with the talis situation. Blind tunnelling is a favourite scum tactic to make it look like they're contributing.
Notice how he's backed off me in the last 48 hours or so. Up to now I've avoided being overly committal on Kville. Suddenly his read on me has softened markedly as he thinks I might take his side, so he stops antagonising me.
##Vote: Kville
the kicker is which of chez and lingu :/ Very well. I was hoping you be able to help by making the right decision. Guess not. im pretty sure the votes are unanimous correct? Can I get the number of hours till please? Town do me a favor and stop sheeping. Either marv or shady is scum along with dj or possibly iamp. One of each from the two groups. Er... what happened to Chez? This is what KV wrote on Chez guys On September 04 2012 06:06 Kville wrote:
Well seeing how 4 of 5 of those people on the list are town and have been whacked off with the last town going to be gone aswell. It does show some suspicious activity. Did he sheep vote me aswell? If so it can be probable that he is. Or perhaps you are just intentionally trying to kill a townie now. Tell me you gav yet to answer what happens when I flip town? Who will be next?
I think you were missing a quote there. Why do I need to answer who I will accuse if you flip town? If you flip town it's game over since we're in LYLO (assuming scum used their delay power)
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On September 04 2012 09:30 Kville wrote:
You can answer by helping town with some quality info. What are you hiding shady? That was a scum reply honestly.
Why should I release that info that won't help town win? If you flip town, the game is over. Hence any reads I make predicated on you flipping town are useless from a town perspective, and only help scum decide who to target for their nightkill.
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On September 04 2012 09:40 Kville wrote:Show nested quote +On September 04 2012 09:36 Shady Sands wrote:On September 04 2012 09:30 Kville wrote:
You can answer by helping town with some quality info. What are you hiding shady? That was a scum reply honestly. Why should I release that info that won't help town win? If you flip town, the game is over. Hence any reads I make predicated on you flipping town are useless from a town perspective, and only help scum decide who to target for their nightkill. Can also provide vigi some info if there is a chance as well.
I don't think any vigi would be stupid enough to try for a lucky shot in a MYLO/LYLO situation.
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On September 04 2012 10:02 Kville wrote:
Then this is game over.
Gg mafia
##Vote Kville
lol. gg KVille?
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On September 04 2012 10:50 Kville wrote:
Hm. suppose you right why not. I mean what the hell. Lol.
## unvote
## vote dj
????
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On September 04 2012 15:03 Djagulingu wrote:
You're full of shit KVille and iamperfection has never actually made sense anyway in terms of being a scumbag. You are the missing part in the scum team and we will try as hard as we can to miss you.
Why is IamP town?
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On September 04 2012 16:15 Djagulingu wrote:Show nested quote +On September 04 2012 15:38 Shady Sands wrote:On September 04 2012 15:03 Djagulingu wrote:
You're full of shit KVille and iamperfection has never actually made sense anyway in terms of being a scumbag. You are the missing part in the scum team and we will try as hard as we can to miss you. Why is IamP town? He looks more town than Kville and Chezinu at least.
Why?
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On September 04 2012 16:59 Djagulingu wrote:Show nested quote +On September 04 2012 16:25 Shady Sands wrote:On September 04 2012 16:15 Djagulingu wrote:On September 04 2012 15:38 Shady Sands wrote:On September 04 2012 15:03 Djagulingu wrote:
You're full of shit KVille and iamperfection has never actually made sense anyway in terms of being a scumbag. You are the missing part in the scum team and we will try as hard as we can to miss you. Why is IamP town? He looks more town than Kville and Chezinu at least. Why? Because Kville has nothing that makes him look townie. Only attacking to suspicious townies, avoiding to attack scum teammates when they were suspected, attacking into townies, disguising it in newbie OMGUS. Chezinu on the other hand though, knows he doesn't need teammates to win this game. They delayed tonight as well, very good play takes one more to lynch, very easy to set up a 3-3 NL, or at least much easier it is. Even if we successfully lynch, he knows that long as I'm alive, he can trick town to attack me and not him.
True. I don't like the quick 5-1 split though. Makes me wonder if we should have slowed down the KV wagon to bait the other scum out for a counter-wagon.
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Also KVille, why did you drop Chez as a scumread?
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Furthermore why has KVille still not explained why he dropped Chez from his list of suspicious townies?
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On September 05 2012 07:42 marvellosity wrote:
Why do you think?!
I can be thick sometimes
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On September 05 2012 08:02 iamperfection wrote:Show nested quote +On September 05 2012 07:48 Shady Sands wrote:On September 05 2012 07:42 marvellosity wrote:
Why do you think?! I can be thick sometimes sometimes?
Right, sometimes.
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On September 05 2012 08:07 Kville wrote:
##unvote
##Vote Shady
KVille, why did you drop Chez from your list of suspects?
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On September 05 2012 08:32 Shady Sands wrote:KVille, why did you drop Chez from your list of suspects?
Well?
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EPT
