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Shady Sands
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On August 30 2012 08:37 marvellosity wrote: "I'd rather spend time with my girlfriend at home" (ergo, not take even fifteen minutes to look at the thread) sounds like 'he's actually busy' and cares? right-o then. Marv, what do you think of the recent train of posts from Lvdr? | ||
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Shady Sands
United States4021 Posts
On August 30 2012 08:53 iamperfection wrote: more lvdr talk unitll the last second On August 30 2012 09:04 iamperfection wrote: 2 hours left anyone having second thoughts? Why protect/help Lvdr so much right after Milton drops the hammer? | ||
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Shady Sands
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Shady Sands
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Shady Sands
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On August 30 2012 10:06 Lvdr wrote: @shady: I think personal feelings have influenced your read on me, and I ask you to compare your case in this game, to the one you made on me as scum in our last game. Don't they seem very similar? As scum you jumped on every perceived mistake I made in order to make a contrived case. I thinking you're doing the same thing here. If you're really town, instead of playing another bad game as scum, you can start the wagon back onto talis. If I am actually scum, I can be lynched later. No one is jumping on every mistake, Lvdr. Here is why I'm voting against you: So Lvdr at this point has offered the town no reads at all since D1, while claiming to have scumreads on 2 people. In addition he's sheeping Marv yet again and making excuses for his lurky behavior when he clearly had a much higher activity level in the game where he was town. It's because: [list] [*]Your Talis read is basically null and you never changed it prior to voting him. Hence no read there, yet you wound up voting him [*]You had no reads on anyone except on VE all through D1, which never really got anywhere. You wound up sheeping to Obvious [*]Somehow you loudly claim you had scumreads on multiple people, but a check of your filter doesn't find them there (until Milton hammered you, lol.) [*]Your behavior was much, much higher in the game where you were town. You put out 4 cases in the span of 1 day there, and actively led a last minute lynch wagon on a single person. You also proceeded to tunnel that person across 2 whole in-game days to secure a lynch there. By contrast, in this game, you pushed a weak case on VE, then sheeped Marv, then pushed a weak case on Talis, after sheeping Marv, then revoted Talis once there was a no-lynch on the basis of your non-existent prior scum read on him. No one is nit-picking anything here, Lvdr. These are holes big enough to drive a truck through, and when added together they form a damning picture of guilt. | ||
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Shady Sands
United States4021 Posts
It's because:
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Shady Sands
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On August 30 2012 10:11 iamperfection wrote: and when did milton drop the hammer? i didnt see no vote or is he not allowed to change his mind in your fucking view. I read Milton's post as a pretty clear hammer. He said he didn't read Talis as scum, just busy, and read Lvdr as scum. Those are the only two feasible votes he could cast (given that its 7 townies and 6 required for lynch). | ||
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Shady Sands
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Thank goodness we're finally going to get someone lynched. | ||
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Shady Sands
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On August 30 2012 10:31 Miltonkram wrote: So this is where we all voteswitch at marvelbabe's behest, right? I'm not going to let that happen. I'll DDOS his whole neighborhood if I have to. | ||
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Shady Sands
United States4021 Posts
On August 30 2012 10:36 Lvdr wrote: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=359836¤tpage=26#509 http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=359836¤tpage=26#518 http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=359836¤tpage=32#623 Based on a contrived 'scumslip' you 'Had me cold' http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=359836¤tpage=48#956 After obvious wagon you decide that I am definitely scum based on trying to get a no-lynch? http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=359836¤tpage=52#1021 You vote me for 'martying myself' http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=359836¤tpage=52#1036 You decide my case on talis is ALSO a scumslip because I am not 100% positive. I'm gonna stop there in your filter. There are 4 OMGWTFBBQ scumslips that you accuse me of, all of which are contrived. I hope you're scum, because this is terrible town play. Are they really that contrived? D1 VE pushed a pretty fast case on you. I ended up backing away from that because it wasn't comprehensive enough. I said "we had him cold" not "I had him cold"; I was confused as to why VE (who was the town leader at the time) had dropped you after nailing you the day prior. After the obvious wagon that was the read on the situation. Otherwise your sheeping vote makes no sense. Town Lvdr would not sheep off BL and onto Obvious that quickly and with no explanation, especially when you didn't have a read on Obvious before. Then you martyr yourself... ironic then because you voted Obvious, who was martyring himself, and also ironic now, because you are vigorously defending yourself to town rather than martyring yourself which you said you would do. Finally, on your Talis case, you said you had a null read on him. Then you said maybe that was a scumread. Then you voted for him and said that you wanted to see what happens. Then when he didn't get lynched, you re-voted him and didn't say "oh my read on Talis has changed to a scum read", but rather said "I want to reaffirm my previous scumread" which is a blatant lie since you never had a firm scumread on Talis to begin with. This would be fine if you were doing a lot of scumhunting already, but you weren't, so this seemed like an attempt by yourself to falsely claim you were. After you did that, I dug through your filter, and the rest, as we will all soon say, is history. | ||
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Shady Sands
United States4021 Posts
On August 30 2012 10:38 Lvdr wrote: More and more I'm thinking a vigi shot on Shady could be a really good play for the town. It will become clear when I flip green. Lvdr, if you flip green, town is in 4-3 LYLO. How you think a vigi shot on a possible townie in LYLO is a good idea is beyond me. But then again, if you're scum, you wouldn't really think about that now, would you? | ||
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Shady Sands
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Shady Sands
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First, I apologize to everyone here (and Lvdr) for tunneling him so hard. I honestly thought we had a scum. Second, if scum saved up 2kp town is facing LYLO tomorrow; if not, MYLO. Either way, the road ahead is going to suck. Third, I have a few more reads coming up. I will be digging through Marv's, DJ's, IamP's and Chez's filters. Also, KVille needs to better explain his Lvdr greenflip/DJ redflip theory. | ||
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Shady Sands
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Shady Sands
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Okay. Let me reread their filters. | ||
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Shady Sands
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On August 30 2012 22:44 Bluelightz wrote: If I could kill someone let's kill Lingu. Explain. | ||
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Shady Sands
United States4021 Posts
Right now town has had 2 mislynches and a no-lynch. Mislynch on Obv was led by Marv. Mislynch on Lvdr was led by me. No-lynch switch from Lvdr (who we now know is town) was led by IamP's quickvote on Djagulingu. On August 27 2012 08:35 iamperfection wrote: ## unvote ## vote Djagulingu Explain faster. Of the three, I think IamP deserves scrutiny. His vote came at a time when town still hadn't solidified on anyone yet, but drew just enough votes away from Lvdr to make it a no-lynch. Then he goes about on a five-post train on Marv, starting with an FoS http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=16016321 and ending with a retraction http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=16028983 Midway through his FoS train on Marv, he votes Djagulingu using the same arguments he had from the night before, in spite of the fact that Dj had already explained his reasoning to most of the town's satisfaction. Then he drops his vote on Dj due to reasoning from Marv. WTF? Generally when players have an FoS on someone they usually don't use that person's arguments in good faith to change their vote. Yet IamP was willing to do so. To me, this smells like a distancing exercise. Why would IamP want to distance himself from Marv? Because many people in the thread at the time (notably, myself) were blaming them for leading/sheeping the Obvious mislynch. But then of course, once the heat dies down, those two band together on Talis again, and against the Lvdr mislynch. This is where it gets a bit strange. IamP begins engaging Lvdr in conversation (near the end of D3) and begins to constantly harry him to "post until the deadline". He gives a last minute townread on Lvdr, in complete contradiction to the wishy-washy reads he had before. But at this point the entire town is aligned against Lvdr except for him and Marv. To any observer, Lvdr's case looked scummier than the case on Talis. But somehow, to IamP, not only did Lvdr look less scummy, he looked like town. This clearly demonstrates prior knowledge of who is town and who isn't. Call me stubborn, but I am more and more in belief of a IamP/Marv/BL scumteam. I'll post more if I live. If not, please lynch IamP. Thank you. | ||
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Shady Sands
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First off, town, we are at 4-3 LYLO. We have to get 3 straight lynches right. Monumental, but it's been done before. On other forums, that is. Let's be the first TL Mafia squad that pulls this off. So basically IamP and Marv have been sheeping and supporting each other the entire game. They've been careful not to do it too aggressively, but they've been quietly doing it. There is an assumption of trust that underlies all their posting between each other. When Marv saved BL I thought it was a risky bus move to avoid a D1 lynch. The ease by which town sheeped him and the fact that Marv didn't bring BL up again anymore made me doubly suspicious of him. But with BL gone, the third leg of their little support group is gone, as is the third leg to my theory. At this point I am forced to subscribe to Marv's read on lurkers/bad play being dominant scumtells. In this case my scumteam shifts to Talis/DJ/Chez. I'm going to go with Marv on voting Talis. We'll see how the rest of today plays out. | ||
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Shady Sands
United States4021 Posts
Why not Talis? | ||
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Shady Sands
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Why not Talis, is my question | ||
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