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On August 28 2012 12:19 Bluelightz wrote:
I got... RBed!

On August 28 2012 12:18 iamperfection wrote:
well might as well get this started

## Vote Djagulingu

Nothing he says make sense to me.

His arguments all rest on the idea that voting patterns is the be all end all of discussion. I find this to be unture and he is simply try to link players in order to get more mis lynches. The scum have perfect information when they make votes they can influence where they position themselves in regards to other players. Djagulingu arguments make no sense therfore i read this

as a scum slip.

On August 28 2012 11:02 Kville wrote:
Is it safe to accuse VE or his replacement becuase of this 'no kill'? or is scum just not paying attention?

On August 29 2012 00:40 iamperfection wrote:

He is a troll so I dont know.

On August 29 2012 02:48 talismania wrote:
No response?

I don't think I'm reading this wrong. dj claimed after being asked to explain the post that apparently got him in trouble that he partly intended for it to be part of a trap (hence, "bait"). But I don't know what the actual intended trap was, except that he claims later that the same post accidentally allowed him to detect bandwagonners since it created a bandwagon on him. None of it makes sense. I understand looking at people who bandwagon. But I don't understand how that post is possibly "baiting" a bandwagon if the person he was interested in (Chez) was already on that wagon.

On August 29 2012 03:28 Chezinu wrote:
my list:

1.) marvellosity
2.) talismania
3.) Lvdr
8.) Djagulingu
10.) Kville
11.) Miltonkram

so far I think almost everyone is comfortable saying bluelight is town? Add in that I believe shady is innocent along with iamperfection and you get the above list. So now, let everyone highlight 3 names on that list that they think are mafia like this:

1.) marvellosity
2.) talismania
3.) Lvdr
8.) Djagulingu
10.) Kville
11.) Miltonkram

On August 29 2012 03:50 talismania wrote:


I had one before and still do. I was hoping to get some reaction from him before jumping down his throat or anything though.

On August 29 2012 06:01 Chezinu wrote:


Read my filter. If you really want reasons so bad, I will tell you. Palmar is known to be a great player as well as VE. They were really the only two people I focused on during day 1. If any one was going to get lynched, it was suspects chosen by one of the two. We end up trying to lynch lvdr first. He was one of my first suspects. Then I saw VE defending him and accused VE. Palmar comes into the thread suspecting obvious. Knowing Palmar had a talent of finding scum I voted obvious along with him. I had suspicions at the time that mafia was trying to get a no lynch because the votes were so spread out. So, I tried to get people to consolidate their vote. No one was voting obvious, so I think I might have switch to lvdr after that - I don't fully recall, you can check if you want. I know I was busy in RL at the time and disappeared for a while. When I came back somehow everyone was voting bluelight - I don't recall the reason. To aviod a no lynch, I jumped on board. Then blue was acting as if he was already dead. I remember writing in the thread that I thought it wasn't insta lynch - which I ended up being right. Blue has an ephany and realizes that he wasn't dead and posts a document calling almost everyone town. It was funny and we all laughed. Then we realized that mafia would never let one of their own members do something so foolish. So we decided to switch after the realization that everyone was actively lurking (we could see how many people viewed the document). So we jumped on to Palmar's suspect, Obvious. Cause Palmar had the best chance of catching scum. Unfortunately, obvious was town. Then mafia killed Palmar, who was the most towniest of all of us. It reminded me of when WBG died in my last game (however this reference is meaningless this game cause VE is no longer playing and no one will get my references), Now for Day 2...day 2 is kind of a blurr to me. I do remember voting lvdr to finally try to get him to flip. I come back at the end of the day and no one was voting for lvdr. However there was 3 votes on you (Dj), two of which were Iamperfection and Shady. Two people I trust to be town - they both have defended me. Mafia would never defend a troll like me. Most mafia would actually do the opposite and try and get me lynched. From experience, I am inclined to trust them. There happy, I responded to you!

On August 29 2012 07:45 Miltonkram wrote:
Hey all, I've been busy ever since I replaced in and I'll be leaving for work in a few minutes. Once I get back from work tonight I'll do my best to get caught up on the game and give you guys my reads. With that I'll leave you with my standard intro.

First things first, here is a list of games I've played in and links to my filters from those games. I start all my games with a list like this because it helps me improve. If I'm scum, I have to avoid playing closely to my scum meta. If I'm town, I put pressure on myself to make good reads. The list is spoilered so as not to take up space.
+ Show Spoiler +

On August 29 2012 08:18 Lvdr wrote:
I'm back. I was focusing on my other game. Still read along here, but didn't have much jump out at me. Going to do a close reading.

Regarding talis, I would give him no better than a null read. 2 points that stuck out to me.
1. The activity is quite low, and not particularly filled with content. I wouldn't call it downright scummy though.
2. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=359836&currentpage=25#497
This post latches on to a stretch of a case, complete agreement, no further points made, never revisited beyond his initial AHA moment.

On August 29 2012 10:14 marvellosity wrote:


Some of this case is actually pretty good. As for the bold, I went digging and found the following. This is around the Day 1 lynch deadline:



Berating town for being afk. Then on Day 2, we have instead:



followed by a post a few minutes after. Then not a peep from him in the next 6 or so hours coming up to lynch time. My previous read on him had related to how he was engaged and participating with town (check my filter) and firstly this hasn't been the case recently, and secondly the fairly glaring contradiction above, is making me reconsider. I'm quite conflicted, because quite a lot of his early play was pretty townie. As town knows I didn't think at all his scumslip was a scumslip, and he's been present and active at least some of the time, compared to...

...talis, who still needs to die die die. He's useless and he's never useless as town. He was totally absent for both lynches and seemingly doesn't give a shit who gets lynched.

I outlined the case against iamperfection earlier in the day. What makes me doubt my read is this response to me on the DJ-lingu issue:



Usually scum stick to their guns and don't back down with humility like that. It very much reminds me of Mattchew in Magic Mini backing down and voting for my scumread there (I can dig it out if people really want).

We should really be lynching talismania today. I can't imagine a scenario where he's town. Nothing he's done tells me he might be town.

##Vote: talismania

On August 29 2012 05:47 talismania wrote:
ok dj I understand what you're trying to say but it doesn't hang together.

This is the post that you said later was intended half as bait:



Your claimed trap was to push a lynch on lvdr, who you supposedly think might be scum. if he is, great, if he isn't maybe you can catch people bandwagoning. So far... ok. But at the time you made that post, you already had two people voting behind you. So the actual trap part wasn't this post, it was the part where you voted lvdr. This doesn't contribute to the supposed trap. Instead it sounds like what it probably is: lynch lvdr, if he flips town, lynch chez. In essence, justifying two days of votes at once, which smells like scum. That isn't bait for anything, and calling it that is a clumsy way to recast your actions.

On August 29 2012 10:53 marvellosity wrote:
Feigning some contribution day 3 does not mean he's town.

This is my 6th? (maybe 7th) game with talis, so I've probably played with him more than he's played with anyone else on TL Mafia. When I subbed into Mad Men Day 3, I hadn't really read the thread properly yet, but:



and then I didn't wanna lynch him even though he had a red-check on him (he turned out miller). I know a town talis when I see one. The thing is the meta points to him being scum, but in addition he's done jack shit this game. His vote was useless and abandoned day 1, day 2 he only turned up right at the end to sheep. That's scummy play all on its own.

On August 29 2012 11:05 marvellosity wrote:


Yes, I would say overall Lvdr has been more proactive and helpful. At least he cared enough to participate in the day 1 lynch. He may be scum, but talis is scum.

On August 29 2012 11:11 marvellosity wrote:
I think we could go tit for tat all day here. I think the town needs more contribution than just us two talking.

On August 29 2012 03:50 talismania wrote:


I had one before and still do. I was hoping to get some reaction from him before jumping down his throat or anything though.