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On August 24 2012 21:07 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On August 24 2012 21:00 marvellosity wrote:On August 24 2012 20:57 DarthPunk wrote:On August 24 2012 20:54 marvellosity wrote:On August 24 2012 12:45 DarthPunk wrote:On August 24 2012 12:33 goodkarma wrote:We absolutely need to hear from SolarSail now, as SolarSail can confirm or deny being RB'ed today... @Z-Boson:On August 24 2012 10:34 Z-BosoN wrote:
As expected, you would be the first to answer this.
Let's learn to count first. YourHarry, Obvious, and You. That requires one jailkeeper and two roleblockers. Unless you wish to claim roleblocker as well, lol.
goodkarma jailed you. I roleblocked YourHarry. YourHarry roleblocked Obvious. Three.
This makes zero sense. Feel free to ask host in-thread, but my understanding is this: If one role-blocker role-blocks another role-blocker that role-blocker's role-block doesn't happen. So in this case if you did role-block YourHarry, YourHarry couldn't have role-blocked Obvious. Which means there's a third role-blocker to make this believable. But there's also DarthPunk being role-blocked, which means there's actually a fourth role-blocker... In a mafia game of this size, I find it very hard to believe there's four role-blockers. So at this point I would say it's more likely either you or Obvious is lying... I look forward to your defense, but I'm not really buying it. Also, did you see what I wrote against you just before the start of today? I would highly recommend you take some time to defend yourself against what I wrote there. I thought that way about the roleblocks also. However in the OP it says that All roleblocks will result in the target being notified. I suppose we need some resolution in to how Roleblocks are handled this game. How are multiple roleblocks resolved, Particularly in the following scenario: Will Roleblocker A roleblocking Roleblocker B prevent Rolebocker B's roleblock of Player C? Uh, never came across the situation. Will have to investigate and get back to you So Marv has not come across the situation yet this is the exact situation that Z- Boson is claiming. That's more of a reflection that I haven't hosted very much, don't read anything into it  It's a bit hard not too when this exact situation has supposedly occurred 24 hours ago. But I understand you do not wish to influence the game and I apologise if I put you in that position.
Kei is the brains of the operation, so he would have dealt with stuff like that. "Will have to investigate" was codespeak for "I need to speak to Kei". Do carry on ^^
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On August 24 2012 12:45 DarthPunk wrote:
How are multiple roleblocks resolved, Particularly in the following scenario: Will Roleblocker A roleblocking Roleblocker B prevent Rolebocker B's roleblock of Player C?
Some clarification. All roleblocks are resolved SIMULTANEOUSLY. So in this situation, Player B and Player C would both be roleblocked.
Order of resolution:
1) All roleblocks.
2) Other Mafia role actions, if any
3) Other Town role actions, if any
4) Mafia NK + Town Vig (simultaneous as well, in the case of Mafia targetting vig, and vig targetting mafia. Both would die.)
Hope that clears things up a bit. Sorry for the wait!
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Regarding Golbat:
Just to summarize:
So here is the biggest point of inconsistency in YourHarry's play that implicates Golbat as scum:
At the start of day 3, YourHarry's soft defense of Golbat is below. Keep in mind, this is after busing Golbat hard on day 2 and even to some degree on day 1. Keeping in mind YourHarry's prior actions it doesn't make sense from a town perspective. This was definitely a scum-motivated move.
Here's the quote:
On August 21 2012 11:30 YourHarry wrote:
EDBWOP: Golbat: He is lurking for sure, but Jhyut being targeted should make him less scummy. This is because after GK outlined his case on Jhyut being the top scum read and Golbat being the second person we should lynch, I cannot imagine scum team including Golbat to NK the top scum read to make it dangerous for Golbat to be lynched.
I mean come on... It even explains why they chose to NK Jyuht...
Golbat is clearly scum.
Regarding Z-Boson:
Definitely the second scum. Don't worry, I haven't forgotten about him.
##FoS: Z-Boson
Regarding my vote:
On August 24 2012 20:04 Golbat wrote:
##Vote Golbat still unwell. Best of luck town.
They're both scum, but if Golbat's going to vote for himself I'm inclined to help him along. Since he's sick, he should be resting.
Get better soon Golbat
##Vote: Golbat
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EBWOP:
Backing up a little bit:
Scratch out the "this is why they killed Jyuht" point, as that's a little too circumstantial to be certain. The rest of my case against Golbat still stands, though, and is more than enough to implicate him as scum.
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Considering what Keirathi said (if I am reading correctly, that roleblocks still go through even if the roleblocker himself is blocked), can anyone think of a scenario in which Z-boson could have roleblocked me that would mean I was NOT informed?
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@SolarSail:
On August 25 2012 03:35 Solarsail wrote:
Considering what Keirathi said (if I am reading correctly, that roleblocks still go through even if the roleblocker himself is blocked), can anyone think of a scenario in which Z-boson could have roleblocked me that would mean I was NOT informed?
Nope.
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@Everyone:
When last I checked, there's still two scum alive.
We may have pegged them, but that doesn't mean town goes into mega-lurk mode...
We are going down the last stretch of this game. Scum got clumsy when they were nearing victory. Let's please not do the same.
We should be consolidating our vote early. I strongly recommend that everyone vote for Golbat. And if you disagree, you need to tell me why I'm wrong.
Even if you do agree, you should supply a case against him and not a +1 vote.
And remember, there's two scum. So while voting, share your second scum read and explain why.
If we can stay active and keep the pressure on our scum suspects, I'm confident we have this. Please don't give up on contributing now that the tides have turned in our favor.
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Original thoughts on Golbat:
+ Show Spoiler [first evidence post] +On August 20 2012 14:08 Obvious.660 wrote:Thoughts on Golbat, to pass some time here. Stream of consciousness as I read through his filter. Regarding his posting bevavior: having been in the same game (XXII) as Golbat that he has referenced where he was lynched D1 as a power role, I can't help but notice that his posting has gone (relatively) from hero to zero. I realize that this is, in part, a tactic through which he is engaging in some self-preservation behavior which isn't totally off the wall crazy. I did similar in my first game and ended up saying a bunch of crap that got me lynched. I think the town needs the old Golbat right now though. Compare this to YourHarry whose posting habits have carried on from game to game. It just seems like you went from one extreme to the other and it honestly doesn't suit us in terms of getting a better read on you, please try to get into the fray today. If you were posting like you did in XXII I would have seen you for town (saying whatever comes to your mind) and it can't really hurt at this stage of the game to pick it up. Even YourHarry has somehow survived this long with his antics, but that's how I know YH. It would do a lot, at least for me, to see you as town if you would be a bit more aggressive and active. Golbat, you've been on Thrawn's case the entire game. Your first case post against him: + Show Spoiler [golbat analysis pt1] +On August 17 2012 08:21 Golbat wrote:Here's my case on Thrawn, I apologize for the lateness and lurkiness so far, I have been not really paying attention to this game so far because I'm right in the middle of prepping for college and spending time with family and friends I won't be seeing for a while, but I'll try to give this game everything I have when I can. At first, he really plays up how much of a newbie he is, and how he doesn't know anything about playing. He says that he's planning on reading several of the mafia guides in the pregame. But his questions are so simply answered by READING ANY MAFIA GUIDE and or the OP of this thread that it is obvious he did not bother to do any of the reading he claimed. This to me is a clear indicator of someone who wants a simple explanation for their bad play. "Oh sorry i'm just new". I used the new player excuse in XXII and it got me lynched. I'm sure if he had done the reading he would have read "don't just claim newbie lol u will die". That's just one of the things he does that I find to be scummy. Not to rehash other's discussion on this, but he has been sheeping and avoiding making his own reads the entire game as well. from Show nested quote +On August 15 2012 13:52 thrawn2112 wrote:
YourHarry, who do you find most scummy at this exact point in time? to Show nested quote +On August 16 2012 07:11 thrawn2112 wrote:On August 16 2012 05:27 Ochrow wrote:My two cents on Shady: My initial inclination when I see somebody being as aggressive as he is, this coming only from live games not forum, is that they are scum. However, every single time that I have been in this sort of situation and gotten a scum vibe from somebody being overly aggressive I have been wrong. So for me that history has me thinking that that Shady is town, just an incredibly aggressive one. However at the same time I think that he may be a bit overly aggressive and reading too much into people's posts, as he has made two rather strong accusations against Solar and JHyut that I feel are more or less unfounded. On Solar: As I originally said I felt that his play was not at all pro-town but, assuming he is telling the truth about the acting and that he didn't just pull it out of his ass, he has really turned around and is very much giving off a townie feel. On YH: So far I haven't really been able to get much of a read on him. While he was posting one-liners at the beginning, as he said he was actually able to get his point across in them, granted that his point wasn't always a great one to get across (ie Oh I have a secret read but I'm not sharing it). But since his explanation, which to me seems to be entirely understandable, he too is giving off a town feel. As for any reads I have, in most of the games I've played there has been at least one scum that was just purely a lurker, and as such I get a bit of a scum feeling from Archrun. He has only three posts all only a few sentences, long enough to not be pointed out as one-liners but only just. I guess I also get suspicious of any first post that just focuses on O hai thar I'm a townie yay killing scum. While I know everybody is trying to prove themselves as town I just get bad feelings when the substance of somebody's post is: On August 15 2012 10:10 Archrun wrote:
As a Townee, I promote any policy that helps us catch scum, but we must back accusation up with evidence(which this policy should provided) and reason. On top of that in his three posts he doesn't get into what he thinks about who might be scum but is just theorizing or throwing out a soft defense. I may be totally off on here but until he posts a bit more or contributes something of substance I am going to throw out ##FoS ArchrunAs per Solar's question I hope this helps, and if there was any curiosity about the reasoning behind my general consensus post, it seemed like a lot of people were in more or less violent agreement over the Solar issue so I wanted to throw out my understanding of events in the hope that it might lead to shorter and/or fewer posts beating that dead horse. FOS ArchrunArchrun, you have made 3 posts so far and none of them have had anything directly to do with scumhunting. Can you tell us what you think about shady's claims concerning solar, myself, and newharry? Which is the beginning of a really poor case on Archrun based on that he is lurking and provided the least amount of content. And that's pretty much his case. He spends the remainder of the time up until now either asking for other peoples reads or talking about archrun, until joining the shady wagon. He mentions several times how his vote was "not an OMGUS" and then he says this. Show nested quote +On August 17 2012 05:34 thrawn2112 wrote:
Can somebody try to convince me why I shouldn't vote for shady and instead vote for a lurker? I am confident in my vote for shady, but there is still the possibility that he is town and that he made a terrible case. I think it is more likely that he is scum, but if someone can convince me that a specific lurker is a way more likely to be scum then I will change my vote. This has nothing to do with my confidence for reading shady as scum. He's begging people to post something so he can sheep it. It's so far beyond just poor play that I can't really believe he isn't scum. He talks about scumhunting and how everyone else should do it, without ever doing it himself. If that isn't scummy, I don't know what is. I particularly like this last part here. It's like you never even went back and revisited the idea after his Vig claim. Even if you didn't trust his Vig claim 100%, doesn't it make sense that he would want to know who other people thought would make for good vig kill targets? It may not have been the best way to go about getting that information, but in the context of his claim it makes sense to come back to it. Alas, Thrawn's claim didn't resonate with you, and I'm somewhat surprised by that given your history in XXII where you too were a Vig and without a clear target. Of course Thrawn did a better job staying alive to execute it, but you were ironically putting him in a similar situation. The over-aggressive Shady Sands was a more overwhelming factor for D1 here, so it's not completely in Thrawn's hands that he made it through the day. In my eyes this is significant evidence that you may not be thinking like us. You also seem fairly hell-bent on getting YH voted off the island next, so I'm very interested in reading a solid, cohesive case from you on him. Let's say, during the night phase?
Followed up by:
+ Show Spoiler [second case post] +On August 21 2012 15:00 Obvious.660 wrote:I'm definitely in agreement on a Golbat lynch at this point. We'll start with this general contradiction of himself, or more accurately him not matching the portrait of townie traits he is painting: Show nested quote +On August 17 2012 08:21 Golbat wrote:
Here's my case on Thrawn, I apologize for the lateness and lurkiness so far, I have been not really paying attention to this game so far because I'm right in the middle of prepping for college and spending time with family and friends I won't be seeing for a while, but I'll try to give this game everything I have when I can.
Show nested quote +On August 18 2012 17:48 Golbat wrote:
I also really hope that some more of the lurkers start posting. Z-Boson, Ochrow, Jhuyt have yet to post today to my knowledge. Show nested quote +On August 18 2012 17:54 Golbat wrote:
EBWOP: Only Ochrow hasn't posted today. My apologies. Z-Boson posted right after the flip, so that just barely counts. Solar and Jhyut have posted. This is followed up by an absurdly long period of time without any contribution in the past couple of days and his last (very ironic) post: Show nested quote +On August 19 2012 07:30 Golbat wrote:
You could probably assume that I didn't pay close attention to the first 24hours of the game. Because I didn't. I had forgotten I even signed up until like halfway through Day1.
Why are YOU trying to make it sound like I have no clue what's going on at all? I know exactly what to make of that.
Further evidence he is barely paying attention to the thread even when he is here: Show nested quote +On August 18 2012 10:36 Golbat wrote:On August 18 2012 09:27 Golbat wrote:
I still maintain my case on thrawn. He and shady are my two biggest scum reads at the moment. I'll have to re read GK's case on oochrow, and then OO's filter and then see how I feel about that. But I feel pretty safe right now in voting for Thrawn.
##Vote Thrawn
also, ##FoS YourHarry
His play has been the flippiest and the floppiest. That usually means intentionally sowing confusion in the thread, as people have to follow his logic back and forth to make any sense of what he says. Shit, I totally meant harry. I don't even know why I typed shady.
Quite possibly his most difficult-to-read response to something in the thread that just about begs you to not try to read it more than once because of how he embedded his commentary. Show nested quote +On August 18 2012 16:48 Golbat wrote:The bold is my response, the bold/underline is yourharry's words. On August 18 2012 16:12 YourHarry wrote:@Darth While it is true that I may have briefly mentioned my town read on Archrun on Day 1, when deciding to lynch between Archrun and Shady, at the time it was only a mild town read based on the fact that explanations given by Thrawn made logical sense to me. After Archrun's post outlining what seemed to be his scum plan of action, Thrawn was indeed almost as good as confirmed townie in my mind. And this was due to my thinking that Archrun was scum. But I don't think I ever claimed that he is a confirmed townie. I did say that he is a confirmed townie if Archrun flipped scum, which he didn't. Recent postings make me think that Thrawn and Golbat are on the same team. This post stands out: On August 18 2012 15:10 Golbat wrote:On August 18 2012 12:55 goodkarma wrote:
@YourHarry:
Any suggestions as to who this someone else is that we should lynch?
My first thoughts are either Orchrow or you.
You seem to be very interested in keeping thrawn alive as long as possible... I suggest you start making some meaningful suggestions as to who you feel looks scummier. And it would also be helpful if you commented on people's most recent cases against thrawn, Orchrow, and yourself instead of continuing to strive to keep Thrawn alive.
There are situations here where the vigi still shouldn't claim. Like what if there is an sk, but the vigi hasn't used his shot yet? A vigi counter claim here would be terrible, as he could wind up rb'ed by scum and NK'ed before he can do anything.
And if we wait, who's to say town doesn't get a successful medic save or rb? Or that scum or the sk (if he exists) doesn't just sit back and do nothing for one night? There's a few different ways that there could be an sk but fewer than two night kills.
Waiting achieves nothing. My read, and the read of several of us here, is that thrawn is scum. It's time for him to go. Read through the case points against him, and show us why you feel he might be town. It's more productive than your WIFOM defense of thrawn you're presenting now. I am in agreement that we should just lynch thrawn here. We seem to have caught a scum or even two, I think if thrawn flips scum then YH is almost certainly scum. Obviously, from my perspective, this only sounds like Golbat is trying to mislynch me knowing that Thrawn will flip scum. I see nowhere in that post where I even hint at knowing anything. I simply said that if thrawn flips scum, the guy who is defending him is likely to be scum as well. That guy is you, and you've already been marked out as scummy by several people, including myself. There are other two players who suspect me of being scum with Thrawn: Darth and GK. But despite my previous suspicion of GK, their outlining of cases actually make some logical sense right now and they seem to be actually trying to scum hunt. (And I admit that I may look scummy right now for flip flopping my vote and trying to defend Thrawn). On the other hand, Golbat suddenly shows up and basically sheeps other people's cases. Only thing that seems a bit weird is that he is one of the first players to cast a vote against Thrawn, when day 2 opened, after Darth. However, this may be mafia QT planned action to encourage Golbat to bus against Thrawn - one who is likely to be suspected anyway due to Day 1 mislynch of Shady. False. You and Thrawn seem to be suffering from the same inability to acknowledge my posts outlining my reasons for believing thrawn is scum. Possibly a scum tactic to cast suspicion on me? More importantly, Thrawn suddenly suspects Golbat, because he is lurking. Even though there are other lurkers, he specifically picks out Golbat just because he recently posted. Is this not a legitimate thing for a cornered scum to do? While I agree that pressuring lurkers is a good strategy, Thrawn did not have any interaction with Golbat... but all of the sudden, he singles him out. Thrawn at this point knows that his lynch is imminent, and that there is nothing he can do to avoid flipping red. This to me seems like his attempt to distance himself from his scum partner in Golbat: On August 18 2012 15:40 thrawn2112 wrote:On August 18 2012 15:22 goodkarma wrote:@Thrawn: On August 18 2012 15:04 thrawn2112 wrote:On August 18 2012 14:52 goodkarma wrote:On August 18 2012 14:35 thrawn2112 wrote:On August 18 2012 14:29 goodkarma wrote:
A cornered scum would have no problem lying about his role to get out of a lynch, and that's what I see is the case with Thrawn. Like stutters said, a scum role claiming vig when he doesn't know who the real vig is would be pretty bad play because the scum would be leaving himself open to a counter claim when he has no idea who the vig is. The problem with this logic is that no one knows if there's an sk + Show Spoiler +(except the sk, if he does exist) . So, there may not even be a vigilante... The scum player wouldn't know this. He would be gambling on there not being a vig.And you felt it was necessary to inquire if there could be two vigis, a setup that though possible is fairly unlikely. It feels like you're already trying to find an escape route if you get caught up in your lie. I asked if there could be 2 vigs because I was planning on asking for a vig counter claim. Since there could be two I decided asking for a counter claim was a bad idea because if there is another vig and he counter claimed then I would look pretty bad. So then you would agree it's possible, that a scum player would make a vig role claim in your shoes? Honestly, we could argue to death your vigi. role claim, but it's only a waste of time. I want to hear what you have to say about the case points currently against you. Read up on my case on you, which is posted right before the day 2 post. And tell me where in that case I'm wrong about you. I'm tired of hearing role claims and WIFOM from you. The longer you stall in providing an actual defense, the guiltier you're looking. You are right that there is no evidence in either direction to prove or disprove my vig claim. I only vig claimed to give an explanation as to how things could have worked out the way they did if I am town. I'm going to respond to your post, but it is VERY long and references tons of other posts all of which are very long so don't expect a response for quite awhile. I am also busy scumhunting but this is having to be done on my own because I don't have any credibility right now. Just to give you an idea of what leads I'm going after, here is my interpretation of what's going on. So far 3 town players have been killed/lynched. The scum I suspected (archrun and shady) of being behind my D1 lynch case turned out to be town. While this is going on there are a few players that have posted very, very little content. My conclusion is that either the scum team are doing an extremely good job of hiding their actions or that there is at least one, if not probably more than 1 scum among the lurkers. I am currently looking at Gobalt because his latest contribution was a vote for me and his only motivation for that vote was that he agreed with what others have said. Since the shady lynching he hasn't contributed anything beyond the post I pointed out in my post before this one and I would like to hear what he has to say. There are other lurkers too but since he is in the thread right now we had better get him posting while we can. Taken together, I think this strongly suggests that Thrawn and Golbat are scums together.
And finally, there was no response to my poke last time so I'll just quote it here to add to the case against him: Show nested quote +On August 20 2012 14:08 Obvious.660 wrote:Thoughts on Golbat, to pass some time here. Stream of consciousness as I read through his filter. Regarding his posting bevavior: having been in the same game (XXII) as Golbat that he has referenced where he was lynched D1 as a power role, I can't help but notice that his posting has gone (relatively) from hero to zero. I realize that this is, in part, a tactic through which he is engaging in some self-preservation behavior which isn't totally off the wall crazy. I did similar in my first game and ended up saying a bunch of crap that got me lynched. I think the town needs the old Golbat right now though. Compare this to YourHarry whose posting habits have carried on from game to game. It just seems like you went from one extreme to the other and it honestly doesn't suit us in terms of getting a better read on you, please try to get into the fray today. If you were posting like you did in XXII I would have seen you for town (saying whatever comes to your mind) and it can't really hurt at this stage of the game to pick it up. Even YourHarry has somehow survived this long with his antics, but that's how I know YH. It would do a lot, at least for me, to see you as town if you would be a bit more aggressive and active. Golbat, you've been on Thrawn's case the entire game. Your first case post against him: + Show Spoiler [golbat analysis pt1] +On August 17 2012 08:21 Golbat wrote:Here's my case on Thrawn, I apologize for the lateness and lurkiness so far, I have been not really paying attention to this game so far because I'm right in the middle of prepping for college and spending time with family and friends I won't be seeing for a while, but I'll try to give this game everything I have when I can. At first, he really plays up how much of a newbie he is, and how he doesn't know anything about playing. He says that he's planning on reading several of the mafia guides in the pregame. But his questions are so simply answered by READING ANY MAFIA GUIDE and or the OP of this thread that it is obvious he did not bother to do any of the reading he claimed. This to me is a clear indicator of someone who wants a simple explanation for their bad play. "Oh sorry i'm just new". I used the new player excuse in XXII and it got me lynched. I'm sure if he had done the reading he would have read "don't just claim newbie lol u will die". That's just one of the things he does that I find to be scummy. Not to rehash other's discussion on this, but he has been sheeping and avoiding making his own reads the entire game as well. from Show nested quote +On August 15 2012 13:52 thrawn2112 wrote:
YourHarry, who do you find most scummy at this exact point in time? to Show nested quote +On August 16 2012 07:11 thrawn2112 wrote:On August 16 2012 05:27 Ochrow wrote:My two cents on Shady: My initial inclination when I see somebody being as aggressive as he is, this coming only from live games not forum, is that they are scum. However, every single time that I have been in this sort of situation and gotten a scum vibe from somebody being overly aggressive I have been wrong. So for me that history has me thinking that that Shady is town, just an incredibly aggressive one. However at the same time I think that he may be a bit overly aggressive and reading too much into people's posts, as he has made two rather strong accusations against Solar and JHyut that I feel are more or less unfounded. On Solar: As I originally said I felt that his play was not at all pro-town but, assuming he is telling the truth about the acting and that he didn't just pull it out of his ass, he has really turned around and is very much giving off a townie feel. On YH: So far I haven't really been able to get much of a read on him. While he was posting one-liners at the beginning, as he said he was actually able to get his point across in them, granted that his point wasn't always a great one to get across (ie Oh I have a secret read but I'm not sharing it). But since his explanation, which to me seems to be entirely understandable, he too is giving off a town feel. As for any reads I have, in most of the games I've played there has been at least one scum that was just purely a lurker, and as such I get a bit of a scum feeling from Archrun. He has only three posts all only a few sentences, long enough to not be pointed out as one-liners but only just. I guess I also get suspicious of any first post that just focuses on O hai thar I'm a townie yay killing scum. While I know everybody is trying to prove themselves as town I just get bad feelings when the substance of somebody's post is: On August 15 2012 10:10 Archrun wrote:
As a Townee, I promote any policy that helps us catch scum, but we must back accusation up with evidence(which this policy should provided) and reason. On top of that in his three posts he doesn't get into what he thinks about who might be scum but is just theorizing or throwing out a soft defense. I may be totally off on here but until he posts a bit more or contributes something of substance I am going to throw out ##FoS ArchrunAs per Solar's question I hope this helps, and if there was any curiosity about the reasoning behind my general consensus post, it seemed like a lot of people were in more or less violent agreement over the Solar issue so I wanted to throw out my understanding of events in the hope that it might lead to shorter and/or fewer posts beating that dead horse. FOS ArchrunArchrun, you have made 3 posts so far and none of them have had anything directly to do with scumhunting. Can you tell us what you think about shady's claims concerning solar, myself, and newharry? Which is the beginning of a really poor case on Archrun based on that he is lurking and provided the least amount of content. And that's pretty much his case. He spends the remainder of the time up until now either asking for other peoples reads or talking about archrun, until joining the shady wagon. He mentions several times how his vote was "not an OMGUS" and then he says this. Show nested quote +On August 17 2012 05:34 thrawn2112 wrote:
Can somebody try to convince me why I shouldn't vote for shady and instead vote for a lurker? I am confident in my vote for shady, but there is still the possibility that he is town and that he made a terrible case. I think it is more likely that he is scum, but if someone can convince me that a specific lurker is a way more likely to be scum then I will change my vote. This has nothing to do with my confidence for reading shady as scum. He's begging people to post something so he can sheep it. It's so far beyond just poor play that I can't really believe he isn't scum. He talks about scumhunting and how everyone else should do it, without ever doing it himself. If that isn't scummy, I don't know what is. I particularly like this last part here. It's like you never even went back and revisited the idea after his Vig claim. Even if you didn't trust his Vig claim 100%, doesn't it make sense that he would want to know who other people thought would make for good vig kill targets? It may not have been the best way to go about getting that information, but in the context of his claim it makes sense to come back to it. Alas, Thrawn's claim didn't resonate with you, and I'm somewhat surprised by that given your history in XXII where you too were a Vig and without a clear target. Of course Thrawn did a better job staying alive to execute it, but you were ironically putting him in a similar situation. The over-aggressive Shady Sands was a more overwhelming factor for D1 here, so it's not completely in Thrawn's hands that he made it through the day. In my eyes this is significant evidence that you may not be thinking like us. You also seem fairly hell-bent on getting YH voted off the island next, so I'm very interested in reading a solid, cohesive case from you on him. Let's say, during the night phase? Never did get that night post from him... Summary: My read is that Golbat is scum, intentionally lurking and posting in a manner that deflects any real attention from being on him when there are more active scummy-looking players in the game. The problem with this strategy is that now that we're at a point where lurkers seem to be the best option, he isn't giving us much else to go off of other than that he's still avoiding attention and that is precisely the kind of behavior that will get people in trouble at this stage of the game. ##VOTE: Golbat
Golbat made my short list (stutters is no longer on the quoted list):
+ Show Spoiler [shortlist] +On August 22 2012 11:09 Obvious.660 wrote:
Well. I went through the people who I felt most strongly were town to the least town and I came up with this list by process of elimination. As already stated, the lurking is killing this town. We're past 24 hours of today's day portion of the cycle and still haven't heard much from quite a few people. Golbat is on his way to a modkill. YourHarry is presumably making his case since he checked in a little while ago but it has been some time and we have heard nothing yet.
In no particular order:
YourHarry
Z-Boson
Stutters
Golbat
At this point I don't even think it can hurt me to speculate that there is only 1 hyper-active scum in this game. I speculate Golbat is going down quietly as scum. So far the only person I think I saw mentioned to be defending Golbat was Thrawn, who is now dead? If anyone else remember people defending Golbat and wants to chime in that would be great. So essentially I have a coin-flip between Stutters and Z-Boson from my POV, based on process of elimination of who I get the feeling is town and who is not.
Updated shortlist is, in this order:
Z-Boson
Golbat
SolarSail
With Golbat being pushed and voting for himself, I'm now hesitant to go after the easiest guy. No explanation for his self vote. If he's doing what I did elsewhere he's just trying to bait some people into the easy vote. Zero fucking context which is enraging. He's my tomorrow vote.
Today, I would rather vote Z-Boson.
##VOTE: Z-Boson
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If Golbat is town, it would STILL be better for town if he was lynched. I am not as certain as Goodkarma seems to be because his filter is so short. But there seems to be no reason to not vote for him
##Unvote
##Vote: Golbat
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I'm sticking with Z-Boson for now because I am certain he is lying on roleblocking me last night.
However based on my earlier post:
+ Show Spoiler +On August 24 2012 05:51 Solarsail wrote:Golbat on YH: Show nested quote +YourHarry, I don't know what to think about you. You always post like you have dain bramage, so the only "meta" I can pick up from you is that you're playing in this game. That being said, your "mason theory" is understandable, and i'm willing to give you a pass for sounding kind of scummy, provided you don't pull anything like that again. Not liking the implications of "giving you a pass..." followed up by Show nested quote +##FoS YourHarry
His play has been the flippiest and the floppiest. That usually means intentionally sowing confusion in the thread, as people have to follow his logic back and forth to make any sense of what he says. I thought he gave him a pass? There's no accusation of some specific new behaviour to justify reversing the earlier statement.
and others' arguments (his filter is so short that not much else is possible), I agree Golbat is a good lynch candidate and if I can't get more support for Z-Boson I am prepared to vote for him if needed (in a close situation).
Presumably Z-Boson will vote DP and hence Golbat is set lynched as it stands.
Requesting vote count
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@DarthPunk:
I wouldn't just focus at Golbat's filter. Focus on his interactions with YourHarry, as I feel it's pretty telling. YourHarry focuses a lot on Golbat, especially given how little he was contributing. And then goes on to soft defend him on Day 3.
There are some pretty strong scum tells there if you look for them.
Add to that that he just voted for himself, saying GL town. Let's think about this for a second: I would argue that town is in a very strong position right now. If he was town, why would he vote for himself? He would just be reducing his winning chances, which are strong at this point.
He could have chosen to just vote anyone without explanation, and that would have been consistent with his most recent play.
Instead, he chose to vote for himself. This is more consistent with a demoralized scum giving up than with a lazy townie. Golbat has become as lazy as you can get, popping up to vote without explanation to avoid a modkill. He could have effortlessly kept this up as town, but instead has decided to off himself.
Golbat is scum. Everything fits. You can call him a lurker, but YourHarry's interactions with him and reluctance to vote him after bussing him make sense from a scum perspective, and don't make sense from a town perspective. His vote for himself is the same way.
Another thought to keep in mind:
The NK didn't go through, so it's safe to say we have at least one town roleblocker at this point. I highly doubt that Z-Boson is roleblocker, but if he actually is we would be loosing a valuable power role. I'm willing to lynch him next day cycle in the hopes that some other power role can confirm or deny that he is scum tomorrow.
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@Obvious, SolarSail:
We have to stay united as town this vote cycle. I would strongly recommend that you both reconsider. Z-Boson can get lynched tomorrow. I'm inclined to give our power roles a chance to confirm or deny he is scum.
Golbat is an obvious scum at this point, and as town we need to consolidate our votes. So if he's second on your scum list I strongly urge you to reconsider your vote.
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The fact that the NK didn't go through is not solid evidence that there was a successful roleblock. It could have also been withheld to make us believe that a roleblock was successful. False sense of security. Just a thought.
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@Obvious:
A thought, but also consider the lack of a NK took us out of MYLO, meaning that if we mislynch now we don't lose.
So scum withholding a KP makes absolutely no sense.
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On August 25 2012 10:32 goodkarma wrote:
@DarthPunk:
I wouldn't just focus at Golbat's filter. Focus on his interactions with YourHarry, as I feel it's pretty telling. YourHarry focuses a lot on Golbat, especially given how little he was contributing. And then goes on to soft defend him on Day 3.
There are some pretty strong scum tells there if you look for them.
Add to that that he just voted for himself, saying GL town. Let's think about this for a second: I would argue that town is in a very strong position right now. If he was town, why would he vote for himself? He would just be reducing his winning chances, which are strong at this point.
He could have chosen to just vote anyone without explanation, and that would have been consistent with his most recent play.
Instead, he chose to vote for himself. This is more consistent with a demoralized scum giving up than with a lazy townie. Golbat has become as lazy as you can get, popping up to vote without explanation to avoid a modkill. He could have effortlessly kept this up as town, but instead has decided to off himself.
Golbat is scum. Everything fits. You can call him a lurker, but YourHarry's interactions with him and reluctance to vote him after bussing him make sense from a scum perspective, and don't make sense from a town perspective. His vote for himself is the same way.
Another thought to keep in mind:
The NK didn't go through, so it's safe to say we have at least one town roleblocker at this point. I highly doubt that Z-Boson is roleblocker, but if he actually is we would be loosing a valuable power role. I'm willing to lynch him next day cycle in the hopes that some other power role can confirm or deny that he is scum tomorrow.
I agree with you. I think that is pretty clear that the last scum are Golbat and Z-boson/Solar whichever is lying.
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On August 25 2012 10:36 Obvious.660 wrote:
The fact that the NK didn't go through is not solid evidence that there was a successful roleblock. It could have also been withheld to make us believe that a roleblock was successful. False sense of security. Just a thought.
Scum would have to be crazy to withhold a NK at MYLO. I think it was a roleblock and so one of us has a confirmed scum off that roleblock.
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Day 4
Vote count:
Z-BosoN (2): DarthPunk, Solarsail, Obvious.660
Golbat (3): Golbat, goodkarma, DarthPunk
Not Voting: Z-BosoN, Stutters695
Golbat currently set to be lynched. Just under 22 hours until the deadline.
As an aside, I just found out that I need to go to the hospital at 7am in the morning to sit with my grandpa. That means I'll be able to check the thread from my phone and answer questions, but vote counts will kind of be a pain, and I think marv is going out of town for the weekend. Can some of you guys step up and keep the vote counts accurate for me?
I should be home in time to do the flavor tomorrow, but it would be a big help to me if you guys could at least keep an unofficial vote tally running every couple of hours and I'll just double check it whenever I get home. <3
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On August 25 2012 11:19 Keirathi wrote:
Day 4
Vote count:
Z-BosoN (2): DarthPunk, Solarsail, Obvious.660
Golbat (3): Golbat, goodkarma, DarthPunk
Not Voting: Z-BosoN, Stutters695
Golbat currently set to be lynched. Just under 22 hours until the deadline.
As an aside, I just found out that I need to go to the hospital at 7am in the morning to sit with my grandpa. That means I'll be able to check the thread from my phone and answer questions, but vote counts will kind of be a pain, and I think marv is going out of town for the weekend. Can some of you guys step up and keep the vote counts accurate for me?
I should be home in time to do the flavor tomorrow, but it would be a big help to me if you guys could at least keep an unofficial vote tally running every couple of hours and I'll just double check it whenever I get home. <3
I can help keep track if you want.
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Blazinghand
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On August 25 2012 11:50 Blazinghand wrote:
I'll do it.
Thanks!
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