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DarthPunk
Australia10859 Posts
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goodkarma
United States1067 Posts
Can you explain to me why, with Golbat as your second scum read, you can't vote for him this day cycle? We will be getting to Z-Boson tomorrow, but I'd like to play this game extra-safe. All of town should still unite behind one candidate, and I still strongly recommend that candidate be Golbat. Especially since, although very unlikely, there is a small (like abysmally small) possibility that Z-Boson could be telling the truth and we'd be losing a role-blocker. | ||
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goodkarma
United States1067 Posts
Where are you? We need you to discuss both lynch candidates (Golbat and Z-Boson) ASAP. | ||
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goodkarma
United States1067 Posts
I understand how you may be in the unique position of knowing 100% if Z-Boson is lying, but unfortunately from our perspective we don't know if it's him or you that is lying... So there is still a small (notice: small) chance that Z-Boson is innocent. As such, could you discuss my case on Golbat, and explain why you do or do not think he's scum? And if you do think he's scum, could you change your vote to Golbat? We will be getting to Z-Boson next day cycle. | ||
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ObviousOne
United States3704 Posts
On August 25 2012 14:12 goodkarma wrote: @Obvious: Can you explain to me why, with Golbat as your second scum read, you can't vote for him this day cycle? We will be getting to Z-Boson tomorrow, but I'd like to play this game extra-safe. All of town should still unite behind one candidate, and I still strongly recommend that candidate be Golbat. Especially since, although very unlikely, there is a small (like abysmally small) possibility that Z-Boson could be telling the truth and we'd be losing a role-blocker. The explanation that Golbat is scum is guesswork. The explanation that Z-Boson is scum is that no NK occured. If you think it's unlikely that scum would withhold the NK, then Z-Boson is guaranteed scum. Why take the risk? We lynch scum here. | ||
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DarthPunk
Australia10859 Posts
On August 25 2012 16:07 Obvious.660 wrote: The explanation that Golbat is scum is guesswork. The explanation that Z-Boson is scum is that no NK occured. If you think it's unlikely that scum would withhold the NK, then Z-Boson is guaranteed scum. Why take the risk? We lynch scum here. There is no risk. I am 90% sure Golbat is scum. | ||
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ObviousOne
United States3704 Posts
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DarthPunk
Australia10859 Posts
On August 25 2012 17:28 Obvious.660 wrote: It's also clear that Golbat isn't interested in playing. He can extend us the courtesy of yielding to a town victory once his scum partner is lynched without compromising his team's prime directive. If the remaining team is Z-Boson/Golbat and Z-Boson is dead, Golbat can surrender and we win. Why not lynch the scum? We Know that Z-boson is scum but we also know that golbat is. Does it really matter? If GK wants to lynch Golbat first then there is no point dividing the town with a trivial matter of which of the almost guaranteed scum goes first. | ||
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DarthPunk
Australia10859 Posts
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DarthPunk
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ObviousOne
United States3704 Posts
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DarthPunk
Australia10859 Posts
On August 25 2012 17:52 Obvious.660 wrote: That's fine I guess. You let him decide for you. I'll decide for me. I don't see what your problem with working together with goodkarma is. This game is not about personal achievement. We have a shared win condition and if the best thing for town is to work together (which it is) to ensure our victory. I am not blindly sheeping goodkarma either. I have my own reasons for voting for golbat and I think it is obvious he is scum. If you have doubts read the last ~ 2 pages of GK filter and Golbats filter. There are some clues there that cement his guilt in my mind. It is important to be united in our vote. This will guarantee victory, by all means argue your points, but in the end we are stronger united. | ||
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36161 Posts
On August 25 2012 11:50 Blazinghand wrote: I'll do it. Yep, brilliant man, really appreciate it. Like Kei says I'm out of town for a couple of days. Will be phone checking/posting, but obviously things like Vote Counts are a bit tricky. | ||
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ObviousOne
United States3704 Posts
##UNVOTE ##VOTE: Golbat | ||
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DarthPunk
Australia10859 Posts
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Keirathi
United States4679 Posts
Z-BosoN (1): Golbat (4): Golbat, goodkarma, DarthPunk, Obvious.660 Not Voting: Z-BosoN, Stutter695 Golbat currently set to be lynched. Just over 5 hours until the deadline. I'm home now, but taking a nap. I'll check back in in an hour or two. | ||
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Z-BosoN
Brazil2590 Posts
I've also presented you with a perfect winning scenario: Solar and Golbat can't both be town, this is guaranteed. If they were, the whole scum team would just join Golbat's vote on Solar and win with 4 votes. So one of the two is scum. Here is what happens if you lynch solar: 1) I am roleblocker and am telling the truth. He will be scum, and will testify that I'm townie, and we will have to look for the other scum. 2) I am lying about being roleblocker, and lied about roleblocking Solar. If solar is innocent, then Golbat is most definitely scum, and I am most definitely scum, GG. Win-win. I don't understand why you are going for Golbat. ##Vote Solarsail | ||
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Blazinghand
United States25563 Posts
Golbat (4): Golbat, goodkarma, DarthPunk, Obvious.660 Z-BosoN (1): Solarsail (1): Z-BosoN Not Voting: Stutters695 Golbat currently set to be lynched. Just about 4 hours until the deadline, which is at 00:00 GMT (+00:00). Make sure you vote between now and then if you have not... Stutters695. | ||
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Stutters695
2610 Posts
On August 26 2012 04:12 Z-BosoN wrote: I'm still here, I've just said all I could. I've also presented you with a perfect winning scenario: Solar and Golbat can't both be town, this is guaranteed. If they were, the whole scum team would just join Golbat's vote on Solar and win with 4 votes. So one of the two is scum. Here is what happens if you lynch solar: 1) I am roleblocker and am telling the truth. He will be scum, and will testify that I'm townie, and we will have to look for the other scum. 2) I am lying about being roleblocker, and lied about roleblocking Solar. If solar is innocent, then Golbat is most definitely scum, and I am most definitely scum, GG. Win-win. I don't understand why you are going for Golbat. ##Vote Solarsail We should either be lynching Z-Boson or Solarsail today without question. Currently its a 5/2 split. If we go after Golbat and he isn't scum for some reason unless there is no night kill again we put ourselves back into LYLO at 3/2 where every town has to hit the same scum or its GG. If we lynch Solarsail or Z-Boson and we hit the wrong one, we still end up at LYLO 3/2 but we have essentially confirmed a scum (town has 0 reason to lie about being roleblocked or roleblocking in the circumstances it happened in). We simply lynch the other person next day and at least salvage it to 2/1 pretty easily. Note: everything from here on is WIFOM on trying to reason who to lynch, but it should be clear that one of them has to die. So in my mind it becomes a question of if we should believe Z-Boson or Solarsail. Looking back at the facts we have these roleblocks claimed by the people who got blocked: N1: DarthPunk N2: Obvious, Darthpunk (Z-Boson claims he RB'd YH) N3: None (Z-Boson claims he RB'd Solar, solar denies) It's pretty safe to assume DarthPunk is telling the truth. He's had a pretty strong town presence all game and would be a fairly good RB target. So that leaves 1 unexplained RB N2 and N3. If Obvious is telling the truth that backs Solar claiming Z-Boson is lying about his RBs and he's scum. If he's not it means both Solar and Obvious are lying and its hard to believe the scums would commit themselves together on something that's easily verifiable. Of course the converse is if Z-Boson is telling the truth we lynch our RB in exchange for a gauranteed scum kill next round. I'm going to reread their filters now to figure out who I think we should lynch but I encourage everyone to consider one of those two as our target today. | ||
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Stutters695
2610 Posts
Solarsail's filter is the same way as YH's in regards to each other. He doesn't focus YH AT ALL. He even goes so far as to say he had a soft town read on YH D1 and didn't think he was scum D2. On August 18 2012 10:28 Solarsail wrote: The Archrun death completely validates gk's post. I was already wavering on Thrawn yesterday early on and Ochrow's most recent post (before GK even said anything) I'm less convinced on YourHarry since there is no direct link and I had a soft town read from yesterday, but there's two good candidates right there. Lol Thrawn your vigilante claim is ridiculous. Vigilantes do not reveal that they are vigilantes over such a trivial matter as defending themselves, as the role is so powerful that scum have no choice but to kill you immediately. ##Vote: Thrawn ##FoS: Ochrow All of his cases have been weak/nonexistant and against confirmed town until he sheeps a vote on YH when its obvious he's going to die. Since this he's again contributed nothing except saying Z-Boson lied. Another interesting thing to note is that YH tunneled Golbat before switching to Solarsail before he died. This doesn't confirm Golbat as just a super terrible town, however if Solarsail should flip red it almost certainly does. Thus I think everyone should vote Solarsail. If its wrong and he flips town then we have our lynch for tomorrow (Z-Boson) but if he flips red which I think is likely it essentially confrims Golbat as terrible town and confirms Z-Boson as RB while also leaving Obvious with a major thing to explain. ##Vote Solarsail | ||
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