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Z-BosoN
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Z-BosoN
Brazil2590 Posts
 Firstly, I'd like to thank all of the players. This was my first game ever in any kind of Mafia, and I had A LOT of fun in it. This game is MUCH more intense than I thought it would be. It totally screwed up my busy studying routine, as I went on hours on end writing posts and analyzing people. My recap of the game: I'll bluntly say that town started off very, very bad this game. You began with a Shady Sands lynch, with two grand master lurkers around. I looked at his posting history, and he seems to be that kind of player as town. Also, I think it is completely ridiculous to go for the most active town member, even if he doesn't make a lot of sense. Active scum, like myself, are careful not to make mistakes. Thrawn lynch was ok, he was playing very erratically. However, Your Harry should have been definitely be lynched instead of him. His meta was completely anti-town, such in a way that if he died, the town would benefit from it, in my opinion. Also, early on, I think a blue claim should get the benefit of the doubt. The YourHarry lynch was absolutely necessary. Solar looked suspicious, but not nearly as much as YourHarry, with me trying to think as townie as I possibly can. Scum, however, managed to be even worse. We were disorganized and rarely reached conclusions by talking with each other. I felt extremely alone as scum. My two biggest game-losing mistakes were: 1) NKing Jhuyt instead of goodkarma 2) Pressuring to switch up votes on Solar Number 1) was just plain lack of thought and lack of importance. YH suggested it, I said sure, whatever, I was feeling super comfortable. I didn't even read how suspicious goodkarma thought he was until too late. I should have been at nightfall, this would have been perfect for me. I seriously suspected gk of being jailer and killing him would have been absolutely PERFECT (right now I don't now for sure if he indeed is jailer, but I'm pretty sure he is). I didn't know the importance of being present at nightfall, and this definitely was a down. Number 2), well, it was a bluff, but I honestly thought that you would, in the end, decide that I was just a desperate townie. IMO what I was doing was simply too stupid and unnecessary as Mafia. Also, my FOS on you was pure townie related. It did not occur to me that attacking the most prominent town member doing MYLO is generally a stupid thing to do. Then YH proceeds to, without warning, do the same. T.T. If I had as clean a filter as I thought I had, I'm almost sure that I would have been dismissed as a desperate townie, but that didn't go so well. Had I just stayed quiet, a Solar lynch would have been much much easier, as I would have virtually no suspicion on me. This was my biggest FML moment, by far. GK's post saying that Solar was town and I was scum killed me inside. Of course, these two could have been avoided had I actually had a team to discuss the actions with. Golbat was afk for life, and YH was just random and unhelpful. When he was needed the most, that is, when you guys were on the YH/Solar fence, he was not present. I was sure that if he made townie posts, gk would sway just like he did with thrawn. In day one, I had to send all of the mafia orders 10 minutes before the deadline because none of them were present. The discussions between me and YH never reached any conclusion, I felt it was me vs. everyone and under the pressure, ended up making two bad and costly decisions. Thankfully, things didn't go so bad because both VisceraEyes and Blazinghand helped me out tremendously, so huge thanks to them. I'm writing this knowing I will die, so since this feels like a will rather than a GG post, here are my last words to the players lol: @goodkarma: Very nice and intense game. I did indeed have a hunch you were jailer (again, right now I don't know this for sure, lol. I'm just typing assuming that you were) when DP was blocked the first time. Mafia didn’t block him, so why would a townie? Then I learned that JK could save, and you were so defensive of him, I was confident it was you. I seriously thought about killing you beforehand, but your sudden defense on thrawn made me feel like you were weak to people making pro-town arguments and could use it later on. Why didn't I do it? No goddamn clue. Like I said, the JHuyt kill was just afhauisdhfaf????aegfa!??. Maybe I was distracted by writing some posts or something, I dunno. The best thing you did was sticking with YH before he was lynched. It felt so obvious to me that he was the right choice, lol. But as scum, I guess I can't make that judgement too accurately. @DarthPunk: Much about what I've said on your part is true, you arguments are exaggerated, you post only what you want to answer to, and you ignore many things, and even invent some arguments to prove a point. Be careful with that, as it makes you lose credibility. Had I a bit less dirt on me, I think you would seem like a reasonable target, if goodkarma didn’t have feelings for you . You may disagree with me, but come on bro, I'm dying =p. Congratulations on your play though, your decision to support GK was spot on. @YourHarry: Sometimes you seemed to want to contribute, sometimes you seemed to want to just screw around. You were random in the thread, and you were random in the QT. You disappeared when you were most needed. You show ability to make decent posts, but most of them were poorly thought out. Anyways, at least you didn't bail, like Golbat. It still was fun being mafia with you. @Stutters: A man of few words, but words well spoken. Very well played. @Shady Sands: Too bad man, you tried! @thrawn2112: AHahahaha poor thrawn. You had good intentions buddy, but wasting a vigi shot like that on day one was hella weird. Also, you should focus on the main arguments against you and answer them adequately. Don't feel afraid to admit you made a mistake, everybody does. Look at MY mistakes lol. @Archrun: I didn't know you too well. Stray bullet got you. My condolences . @Golbat: Why join the game if you are not gonna play? @Obvious.660: Didn't hear much from you, but you played fine. Much better than your counterpart, at least. @Jhuyt: You lurker! Why did I agree to killing you? This is all your fault! You made me kill you, somehow... @mkfuba07: You seemed such like a nice guy. Sorry for killing you. You smelled blue to me. I even roleblocked you so I would make sure you were dead. @SolarSail: Hope you learned a lot from this game! Scums are cruel little liars. I write this mostly because I am extremely bored, extremely frustrated at my loss, and don't feel like doing much anything right now. Plus I'm checking out my new FILCO majestouch keyboard =p GG. | ||
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Blazinghand
United States25552 Posts
home of the angels Coaching QTs Shady Sands mkfuba07 thrawn2112 Stutters695 Solarsail DarthPunk Z-Boson Obvious.660 goodkarma Good work, town. No Newbie town has ever come back from 3-scum MYLO or LYLO before on TL. I'll have some post-game notes, but all this coaching has me pretty tired out. EDIT: I'm not even sure a normal mini town has come back from 3-scum MYLO before on TL. | ||
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thrawn2112
United States6918 Posts
On August 26 2012 15:02 Z-BosoN wrote: My two biggest game-losing mistakes were: 1) NKing Jhuyt instead of goodkarma YH suggested it Like I said, the JHuyt kill was just afhauisdhfaf????aegfa!??. lol | ||
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Keirathi
United States4679 Posts
I'll write up an endgame post and get it in here tonight, but I won't be able to do my analysis post until tomorrow, since its already pretty late. GG town! | ||
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thrawn2112
United States6918 Posts
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Keirathi
United States4679 Posts
![[image loading]](http://www.eastpdxnews.com/ktmllite/images/uploads/070726/5-04-BASH-Shootout.jpg) Guns don't kill people, murderers kill people Fresh off the heels of finding a second Bel Monte member, slOosh, syllogism, Keirathi, Mattchew, and sciberbia realize that its time to take the fight into their own hands. They organize the rest of the townsfolk into a raiding party, and head off towards the Bel Monte estate. The sun in just begging to dip near the horizon when they arrive on the outskirts of the enormous ranch. There's no one in sight. "Be on the lookout. This could be a trap," slOosh says. They slowly make their way through the gate, and get just a few hundred feet from the main house when the door opens. Ace steps out onto the porch. "What can I do for you gentlemen?" "We know you're the head of this organization, and that those men attempting to sabotage the town were yours. You're done for. You'll be hanged in the streets for you crimes, Ace" one of the men calls out. "Not quite so fast. BOYS!" he yells. Suddenly, 10 men appear in the windows and doorways, all with guns drawn and pointed at the townsfolk. "Your town is mine," says Ace. "I needed a way to get my money into and out of the county, so I struck when you were weak and distracted. And it would have worked, if it weren't for you meddling kids. Now two of my brothers are dead, and I'm angry. We take it by force now." While he was talking, Mattchew discreetly pulled his rifle out of his saddlebags, hidden from view by the other people in front of him. "You'll not take over this town as long as I have breath in my body!" he yells, and puts a bullet squarely into Ace's chest from the midst of the crowd. He falls over, lifeless. Seeing their leader fallen, the other gang members in the house immediately start firing. The townsfolk scatter, and no one is injured in the initial rain of bullets. They reign in their horses and begin retaliating. After a brutal firefight, in which both sides received heavy casualties, the remaining townsfolk sweep through the house looking for any survivors. In a small room on the upper floor not much bigger than a broom closet, they find wherebugsgo lying, blood seeping heavily from his left arm, but still alive. "Okay, okay. I give up. I gave it my all, but you've killed off everyone in my family. Just don't shoot me, please," he begs. "Very well," says syllogism, pulling out a pair of handcuffs. "As the new Sheriff in town, I hereby place you under arrest for the murders of Qatol, GMarshall, prplhz, and BlazingHand." With the last of the remaining members of the Bel Monte gang behind bars, the town gathers for a victory celebration. DarthPunk, as syllogism the Detective, survived! goodkarma, as slOosh the Jailkeeper, survived! Solarsail, as Keirathi the Vanilla Townie, survived! Stutters.695, as Mattchew the Vanilla Townie, survived! Obvious.660, as sciberbia the Vanilla Townie, survived! Z-BosoN, as wherebugsgo the Mafia Framer, has conceded. Obs QT: http://www.quicktopic.com/48/H/G5j5sM2Yuhc4 Scum QT: http://www.quicktopic.com/48/H/vBRCZs6eFpZ Marv has a spreadsheet with all the roles and actions, but he has it locked. Will have to let him share it when he gets here. I really had a lot of fun helping to host this. You guys all played well and made my first cohosting gig easy. <3 | ||
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goodkarma
United States1067 Posts
I was jailer btw But I personally felt sharing your read of me was a mistake, as (normally) no townie would put a blue on the spot like that. What's more, it suggested you had extra information from knowledge of scum RBs. DarthPunk was acting pro-town enough the first two days that it made sense for scum to have RBed him for both days. That you could infer I jailed him as town felt possible, but like a bit of a stretch. I felt your biggest mistake was pushing hard to get YourHarry out of the lynch the last hour. This was completely unneccessary with how strong the scum team was positioned. You should have just let him go. And obviously I don't feel that role-claiming roleblocker when you have an alive townie that can tell us you're lying was a good idea. But with all that being said, I didn't catch on that you were scum until pretty late in the game, and I felt you played your role pretty well .GG I will post my thoughts on everyone else later tonight, but seeing as Z-Boson did have the right hunch. I was jailer. I just wanted to clear that up .And btw, the call to role-block Z-Boson.: I deliberately jailed Golbat instead after saying that . I felt pretty clever at that moment  .Meta rock-paper-scissors lol. I actually made a few plays this game that were more deliberate than may have been apparent, including the Golbat vote switch onto YourHarry with the intention of extracting more information. If you're interested to see what I was thinking as the game progressed, and what I was scheming, I was pretty transparent with BlazingHand all game long in coaching QT. There's an abundance of insight there . Again planning to post a longer synopsis of my play (including my first two days of play that I am less proud of) and thoughts later. But in the meantime gg everyone I had a lot of fun . | ||
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goodkarma
United States1067 Posts
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Z-BosoN
Brazil2590 Posts
Can anyone tell me why I was a scum read during the thrawn lynch? | ||
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Keirathi
United States4679 Posts
On August 26 2012 16:11 Z-BosoN wrote: Obs QT is quite a read... Can anyone tell me why I was a scum read during the thrawn lynch? I don't remember specifically, but the thrawn lynch was really bad. He claimed single-shot vigi and that he shot Archrun, whom people were suspicious of day 1. There wasn't much reason for scum to shoot Archrun, and thrawn had been under a lot of pressure day 1 so if he was vigi, it made sense for him to want to shoot on night 1 is he suspected getting lynched d2 without ever getting his shot off. The only other explanation for the shot and him claiming was SK, but he claimed single-shot vig. If he killed again, lynch him then. I would have been super suspicious of anyone pushing the lynch on him too. | ||
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Blazinghand
United States25552 Posts
There were 2 kills N1. If someone claims vigi after this, 95% of the time they are the vigi. In they event they are not, just have the vigi counter-claim them-- scum doesn't want a 1-1 trade like that. For these reasons alone it should have been clear Thrawn was the vigi. If he is the SK, he has abdicated his NK since a second use of it will give him away-- he's not a threat to town for some time. E: Remember, a vigi that has shot his bullet is just a VT | ||
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thrawn2112
United States6918 Posts
I noticed from reading the scumqt that the scum capitalized on yh's meta lol so good job on that one lol. | ||
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YourHarry
United States1152 Posts
I was wrong so many times, in regards to blue role alignments. T.T And sorry z-boson. I should have showed up earlier near D3 deadline. Like you said, (though not really sure), it could have made a difference | ||
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DarthPunk
Australia10857 Posts
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DarthPunk
Australia10857 Posts
On August 26 2012 16:10 goodkarma wrote: And btw, the call to role-block Z-Boson.: I deliberately jailed Golbat instead after saying that . I felt pretty clever at that moment .Meta rock-paper-scissors lol. Yeah I totally saw this. I was almost going to say something about it to obvious when he didn't want to lynch golbat. But I thought better of it. If you read my coaching thread I had a Solar, Z-boson, Your Harry team before YH flipped. But I got a red check on Golbat last night. <3 | ||
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Blazinghand
United States25552 Posts
Scum: your NKs weren't great. You spent a lot of time speculating about the setup and gong after blues and stuff when really the threat to you, yes, is blues, but is also people with good scumhunting abilities. Jhyut was a really bad NK. Z-B, overall you're a capable player but you took a lot of risks, stuck your neck out a bunch, and showed your scummy side when you picked a fight with GK. I think it's hard as a scum player to come out looking clean from a major scuffle, so it's best to not fight the most confirmed townies. Marv would be able to do it, but not me, and not you-- yet. YH: you did what you could. The fact that you were the first scum to get lynched wasn't too great, but really you need to try to put more effort into building cases. As a townie, your final moments would be spent desperately hunting scum. You tried to lean on your meta a bit, and it worked out okay, but it could have been better. Golbat: I have no comment on your play, because it didn't exist. Townies: GK: you played amazingly well. I thought this game was over and you dragged it back from the brink, kicking and screaming. The roleblocks on the cop were unfortunate, but out-WIFOMing scum to get some breathing room helped a lot, as did literally catching all the scum and pushing them into the noose. Keep playing here, our towns need you. DP: for a cop who had no results when MYLO came around you did well. You contributed to scumhunting and wrestled town into being good, which was not easy. You used your one chance to check someone on the illegible Golbat, which was an excellent move. Keep up the good work. Thrawn: you got mislynched, but you did well to scumhunt before you did. Obvious: Never give up or get disheartened. People will be aggressive and disagree, even when town is doing well. it is the way of things. Shady: Don't get tunnel vision. | ||
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Blazinghand
United States25552 Posts
There are three steps to defending yourself in a comprehensive fashion to avoid getting lynched: 1) Explain your motivations in as clear and simple terms as possible. Do not apologize or make any excuses. If you did something that was dumb, own up to it. Say "yes, that was a mistake" or "I can see how this play wasn't optimal"-- explain your reasoning and acknowledge that it doesn't look great, but also show how someone who's a townie could reasonably do and say what you did. Remember that 50% of your goal is to convince your accusers, and 50% of your goal is to convince the undecided people. 2) Offer an alternative, better lynch. Sometimes you'll be making a case on the guy who accused you, as you have. Sometimes you'll make a case on someone else. your #1 goal though is to make it MORE REASONABLE for townies to vote for your target than for them to vote for you. Ask for people's opinions on the case, refine it and deal with criticisms. If people accuse you of changing the topic, say "look, I get that maybe I'm not the towniest-looking right now, but that won't get me to stop scumhunting" or something similar. The point is, you need to keep on contributing. If it's a bad case, switch to a different one that you think is good and fully explain why. 3) Don't let emotions get involved, but stay active. It's easy to get mad or let your judgement be clouded. Your accusers could be wrong wrong wrong and townie townie townie (or scum) and that happens. The #1 easiest way to get mislynched is to go over the top and start yelling at people. Use logic, and if people try to appeal to emotion or fear, call them out-- logically-- for it. Also, make sure to stay active. The more you post, the more people will have chances to realize you're a townie. | ||
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ObviousOne
United States3704 Posts
Initial reactions: I actually was planning to build a case on DP tonight if Golbat flipped town, I wasn't sure exactly why he was pushing me away from Z-Boson vote until I saw the surrender. I had it in my mind that it would have worked the other way around, with Z-Boson being the one to get lynched and Golbat surrendering, since I wasn't 100% on Golbat. I guess either way works, and we all voted together to make it stick so that was a very good play by the rest of the town and DP subtly poking me to switch votes was all I needed considering, as has been said several times before this game, if one of DP/GK was scum it would be very difficult to prove it for me. The other case would have been to revisit Z-Boson and from there I would have decided for myself. Obviously (lol) bad news from my end. My play last night started to slip drastically, I was heading into a sort of a depression and I really wanted nothing to do with anything or anyone, so I just kinda phoned it in, if that wasn't apparent from my previous few posts. I will say that it absolutely SUCKED to replace for Ochrow given his posting habits. I'm not against replacing again in the future, I will probably try to be a bit better informed as to WHO/WHAT it is that I'm replacing next time though. | ||
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Blazinghand
United States25552 Posts
On August 26 2012 17:49 Obvious.660 wrote: I will say that it absolutely SUCKED to replace for Ochrow given his posting habits. I'm not against replacing again in the future, I will probably try to be a bit better informed as to WHO/WHAT it is that I'm replacing next time though. 95% of the time, you'll be replacing in sometime between N1 and N2, and you'll be doing it for a guy who did next to no analysis then lurked. Typically replacements are extended a small benefit of the doubt, but are expected to also do extra to make up for the bad position they're in. I've only ever once seen a replacement who got no benefit of the doubt, and that was me, because I replaced into Storm Mafia a few minutes in. but yeah most of the time replacing in means fighting your way into a game from the position of a replaced lurker, whether you were scum or town. | ||
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