EPTOf course I would expect you to try to invalidate DP as town, just as you tried to invalidate me as town before YourHarry went down.
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goodkarma
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Of course I would expect you to try to invalidate DP as town, just as you tried to invalidate me as town before YourHarry went down. | ||
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Keirathi
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![[image loading]](http://www.cambridgeblog.org/wp-content/uploads/2009/06/country-doctor.jpg) You don't want to know what he has in the bag. The Bel Montes were in a tissy after marvellosity was murdered. "We can't let them get away with that! He was our BROTHER," yelled wherebugsgo. "We need a new plan." "I've got it. We lay a trap!" replied Ace. "Got something in mind?" "Yea, here's what I was thinking......" That afternoon, Dr. slOosh got a message that EchelonTee was deathly sick and needed attention ASAP. "Such an inconvenient day for sick people!" grumbled slOosh to his nurse on duty. "I've got Dr. Chezinu and his apprentice talismania from Gomville across the county coming into town this afternoon to check out our facilities and see how we can improve things around here. They should be here shortly, so I can't rightly leave and make them sit here all afternoon until I get back. It's a long ride out to EchelonTee's ranch and I don't imagine I'll be back before dark. I guess I don't have much choice but to wait for them to get here. talismania could probably use some extra hands-on-training anyways if he wants to start his own practice soon." Just as it was nearing nightfall, Dr. Chezinu and talismania finally made it into town. "Sorry fellas, but I've got an emergency patient out in the country that I need to go visit. You're welcome to come with me though, to get a taste of how we do things here in Liquidia." "Sounds good to me, Doc. Following you." The Bel Monte brothers knew something was wrong from the minute they first heard the horses approaching. There were just too many hoof beats. Multiple people were coming. "Damnit. What do we do now?" asked EchelonTee. "Uh, I guess pretend that you actually are sick? I don't know, but we can't risk killing these out-of-towners too. I don't have a good feeling about this. I'm going to hide out in the barn until they leave. Don't do anything stupid," said wherebugsgo. A few minutes later, there was a knock at the door. "Come in," EchelonTee muttered and sputtered through his 'coughing'. "Howdy EchelonTee. Good to see you again. Sorry you're under the weather. This is Dr. Chezinu and his apprentice talismania." "Howdy Doc. And friends," EchelonTee sputtered again. After a thorough inspection, slOosh declared, "Well, I can't seem to find anything wrong with you. You're not running a fever, your breathing sounds fine, and your color doesn't look bad at all. I'm completely stumped. Here, take these pills every 6 hours, and I'll be back out to check on you tomorrow." "Don't worry about it Doc. I'd hate for you to have to ride all the way out here again tomorrow. I'll take the pills and send in a message if I get any worse." "Okay son, just be sure to let me know," replied slOosh, suddenly suspicious. "I don't mind riding out again if you really need it." "Damnit, that was not good," said wherebugsgo after EchelonTee told him what happened. "We've gotta be more careful from now on." No one was killed. As always, remember this flavor is JUST flavor. No hints or clues, just me having fun with the story. You have 48 hours to get your vote in! | ||
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DarthPunk
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On August 24 2012 08:56 Z-BosoN wrote: If for some reason I die, which I think is unlikely, I actually think DP is the third mafia. Please read my exchanges with him carefully. GL TOWN! Care to elaborate on this. or, you know, actually post a case along with your accusation? I find it extremely weird as to why there was no night kill. we know we have a town roleblocker so I am assuming it was a role block. If that is the case. Whoever you roleblocked is confirmed scum. @GK can I ask the reason behind asking for Z- Boson to be roleblocked? and also why you are so sure that Golbat is scum? | ||
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Solarsail
United Kingdom538 Posts
After his initial reaction to being pressured on Ochrow's posts immediately after joining, his actions have been consistent and, importantly, proactive. - He first delivers a case on me, before DP does, that makes sense (points out an inconsistency of mine) and is different to what DP talks about - He switches to YH because he agrees with the case on him and has it about the same strength as on me, but YH has more support to be lynched and YH's posting would be a continued threat to the town if left alive. He's still up for lynching me so this is a justified change. - He picks up GK's Z-boson and Golbat because they were on his earlier scum list, although that earlier list was unjustified and was just a list of names. He hasn't flopped on anyone since the start. I'm satisfied that Obvious is behaving much less scummy than previously. | ||
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DarthPunk
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And we are no longer at MYLO. I was so certain we were going to lose and now I don't see how we can | ||
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Solarsail
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On August 24 2012 09:41 DarthPunk wrote: Z - Boson what is your position on Golbat? as I have stated eariler I feel he is most likely just an inactive townie. I would Like ever yones position on him. Other than mine and Goodkarma's reads on him by association with YH and Z-boson, his filter is so short that I don't think it's possible to make other scum reads. If town is back a good position now we should consider lynching lurkers again because we neglected to do this earlier. | ||
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Z-BosoN
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Read through this carefully, it took a FUCKTON of time to write. Finally some cold hard evidence. I find it so weird though, that no one else is bothered by this. Perhaps there are so many sheep here that they just assume what they want and don't bother thinking or even reading. First of all, a history lesson. This is XXI all over again. Since many of you didn't read it, and probably won't, here is what happened: Hapahauli basically gained town confidence in a game full of sheep and won the game. No one ever FOSed him, no one ever suspected him, even with all the evidence raked up against him (specially that post regarding the breadcrumb that mafia missed). I feel like this is XXI all over again. DarthPunk basically gained town confidence, by having all this voice, all this confidence, and suddenly became immune to public gaze. LET'S NOT LET THIS HAPPEN IN THIS GAME I've been doing my homework and look at what I've come up on DarthPunk. He and goodkarma have been trading hugs ever since the beggining of the game + Show Spoiler + First off, look through these quotes from DarthPunk: Says gk is town, but if he is scum then he is a great player who needs to be applauded. I have a strong town read on Goodkarma, but even with him/her I am not sure. I can see GK being scum. and if so I both applaud you and say WTF?!?! to the rest of town for being so shit. Needlessly mentions his certainty of goodkarma: Goodkarma is my strongest town read. I see the points that you make in your case and I can see where you are coming from but I believe you to be on the wrong track. I find it incredible that your top scum read is one of the most proactive townies in the game. And then, another disgusting non-called for indication of how much he trusts goodkarma. That being said. I am going to fully commit to my town read on Goodkarma. And I will work with him In order to secure a scum lynch. Noting this, look what we find in his filter when I search for "goodkarma": I am still eagerly awaiting this writeup GK. I 100% agree with Goodkarmas post and it fits my reads completely. I am listening to your arguments but as GoodKarma stated they don't really exist aside from your Vig claim and a truckload of WIFOM. GK especially seems to have expressed very similar reads to my own, though for slightly different reasons. I was expecting either myself or goodkarma to get shot DarthPunk ignores what's convenient for him + Show Spoiler + Let's go ahead and look through his bullshit. He says this: Z-boson has appeared town like and active but has just sheeped cases and not been proactive in pushing them. Pretty much a neutral read. And this: I blame myself for being active and building the majority of the case on Thrawn along with Goodkarma Wait a minute. I BEGIN attacking thrawn, and CONTINUE doing so even after both of them go for different targets. I make long and elaborate posts, and he still makes it a point that the thrawn killing was only their doing. So I retort, of course, and READ CAREFULLY what he says: On August 22 2012 22:53 DarthPunk wrote: I am leaning towards Z-boson as the final scum as he has cast suspicion on you whilst also stating you are town. Your harry and Z-boson both tried to cast suspicion on you today. Your harry has not voted for solar sail who is his direct lynch opponent which does not fit in to his previous play. Z-boson has also Ignored solarsail since day one and was a bit too defensive when i did not cast him as townie. Suddenly me and Harry have become much more suspicious on his eyes because we became suspicious of goodkarma? Did he even bother responding to mine or YourHarry's posts? Also, note how he quotes my post and doesn't address it. It feels a lot more like an instant reaction , as if he read my post, didn't like it, immediately quoted it and made weak arguments, basically stating that I've . Of course, he does this without being afraid because he doesn't feel like he is a target. What's even more hilarious about this is his next argument: I haven't been attacking SolarSail. Seriously guys, go to his filter and look at how many times he's addressed SolarSail since August 15th. Ok, you probably found, once in august 17th, once in 18th, once in 19th, and, from 22nd forward, a TON. And, in these days (17th,18th,19th) he didn't attack SolarSail ONCE. So how is it that he can go ahead and say that I've been ignoring Solar ever since day 1, since he has been also doing the same thing? He can't. He's not worried about that. He thinks his word is now law and in his mind he doesn't need to bother with such details, and can go spreading them like wildfire. And WHEN was I a bit too defensive when you accused SolarSail of being town? I'm not even going to search for this, so please, enlighten me. Also, make sure and see if I did so without reason or without an explanation. He's dodgy with his responses and says: "this seems very suspicious" multiple times, without explaining, always making SURE that he is sheeping goodkarma. MAJOR scumslip by DarthPunk + Show Spoiler + On August 22 2012 22:47 DarthPunk wrote: Yes I think they are forced too at this point. I think that one of them is Bussing. Solarsail is scum and voting golbat. so I view him as town. I think obvious is town also as he was so quick to drop the Golbat lynch after looking into solar's filter. I think a scum obvious would have tried slightly harder to go for the easy mislynch. That leaves either Stutters or Z-boson as scum bussing YH. Guys, read their last conversation, before they both went to sleep. Doesn't it bring up a lot of red flags? WHY IN THE WORLD would scum feel forced to bus one of their own? If scum can get a misslynch, they win, that easily. If he feels that way, why didn't he bother explaining it?. Because he finds no reason to. He feels comfortable that he and goodkarma are the "untouchables" and can go around making people believe what he wants. And this, as mafia, is exactly what he is thinking right now. He feels they can't get a misslynch train going on Solar with someone obviously scummy such as YourHarry, so they just go with bussing their scum friend, YourHarry. Most likely, they will focus on Solar next, granted his easyness to target. He makes up arguments + Show Spoiler + 1) He made up the argument that I was quick to defend SolarSail, which is UNTRUE. 2) He invented that I didn't give reason as to why I chose SolarSail over him. 3) He stated that it was me and YourHarry who did the last minute push, when YH had nothing on it. 4) He AGREED WITH ALL THE BLUES CLAIMING. When he saw that this was a bad idea, he immediately retracted. Saying he was "emotionally compromised", when it was JHuyt who had just been killed, which is an actual help for us. What kind of crap is this, and why does it go unnoted? Goodkarma, do you know why he piggy-backed off you? Because you kept making incessant remarks on how you know him as a player, how good he is, how much you agree with him, etc: And from here on out, he jumped on you like a parasite. Wake up man, your lack of suspicion on him is only meta. The evidence is THERE. Look at what he has been doing!!! I noted this ever since you began to idolize him, since day 1 or 2. I also noted that he was roleblocked twice, and that must mean that your are a [blue]JailKeeper[blue]. I've suspected this for a long time, given your affection of him, and thus, I did not KILL YOU. Why would I not do that? So I could use that right now as an argument? Finally, laying out all the cards on the table, to assure you that I'M NOT SCUM, is that I AM A ROLEBLOCKER. On the first night I did not block anyone. On the second night I blocked YourHarry. The night kill happened anyway, so in my mind his chance of being mafia were a bit small, which is why I didn't vote for him. Breadcrumb from August 20 2012, 4:56. I will. Right before the deadIine even. Your case on Him, and DarthPunk's case on YourHarry. If I find either to be stronger than the one I have on you, I certainly will reconsider my vote. Hope this time you have read my post, and hope this clears some things up. I didn't capitalize the letter b, and deadline is written with a capital i instead of undercase L. To check this, just quote and use word check. On the third night, I left this last breadcrumb indicating that I would block Solar Sail, @August 24 2012 08:56: You say you don't even need to explain why it makes me look suspicious. I say you do. Okay, here's why last minute vote switching is heavily scum motivated. As scum if you drive a mislynch you win. If Solar's town, scum would love to get the vote switched to him. And your motive for last minute switching is pretty poor. You describe YourHarry as a "strong scum Read," yet you feel compelled to last minute switch your vote... Really? I have to explain this to you??? And if you can get just enough votes off YourHarry, with even one town on Solar you could have secured a lynch because of plurality rules. Taking advantage of a potentially afk townie and last minute switching, even would have been an option. There are so many ways scum could benefit from a last minute switch, and so few that town could (assuming you actually meant it when you said YourHarry was scum...) that this is a pretty ridiculous question. Ok, so it seems the MAIN thing that makes me scummy is my pressure to vote switch at the end. It's far from the main thing. There are several things I discuss in my case, including the timing of your FOS on me day 3 and YourHarry's FOS that makes most sense as a way to distance himself from you... Let me get this straight. At least one mafia member bussed YH. That much is for certain. You think that I, fearing for my partner, would decide to wait until the last minute to unvote him and go for Solar. WHY IN THE WORLD did I not go for solar as soon as it was tied up? Why in the world did I wait for it to be 5 votes to 1 on Solar for me to start acting? Because going for Solar that early on would make me look suspicious? As if I wouldn't think that sticking my neck out to attempt a very risky Solar lynch 1 hour and a half before nightfall is not? Okay so Briefly let's get the timeline straight: 1) I vote YourHarry, 2) You FOS me, 3) Stutters votes YourHarry, 4) you vote YourHarry... Scum could and honestly probably should have bused the exact way that you did. With the YourHarry lynch gathering momentum it was better for scum to jump on it early than to just take it easy and let it happen. You would have looked even more suspicious getting on the bandwaggon late. You tried defending YourHarry at first, of course, by trying to undermine my leadership position by putting suspicion on me with an FOS. But when that wouldn't work, you HAD to get behind YourHarry as damage control. ALL THE PIECES FIT... And as for the Solar wagon, if Solar had gained momentum and you were around I'm certain you would have used that as a reason to jump on it. But the fact of the matter was there was me, and there was DarthPunk as pretty established town. If you went against either of us, you would have been under heavy suspicion, so when three vote momentum was gained on SolarSail and DarthPunk switched sides before you got back, you missed your "window of opportunity." I changed your quote of my quote in two capital letters, and underlined solarsail. R B solarsail, bolded above. You can check this later on. As with a 1/2 of a chance, no kill occurred. Solar Sail IS SCUM, AS EXPECTED. This is 100% true!! Unless you used your jail powers to roleblock someone, instead of to save someone, then it is infallible, Solar IS SCUM. One last thing. Solar and Golbat can't both be town. If they were, when golbat came and voted on Solar sail, when town had 8 people, all the scum team would have gone to solar sail and won. That can only happen if neither of them are town. Now that we are out of MYLO, I STRONGLY STRONGLY suggest going after one or both of them. One is certainly scum. I don't think BOTH of them can actually be, it wouldn't make sense for Golbat to just go ahead and bus YourHarry. So, the other, I fear, must be DarthPunk, I dug up and found too much stuff on him. Try to read my accusations as unbiased as you can. I beg of you, let's not lose this game because you all were too blind to see it. If after ALL THIS, you STILL think I'm scum, then, well, I tried. | ||
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Z-BosoN
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Also, if you think that this is a last ditch attempt, look at the date in which I posted this. I couldn't have possibly written these 7 word pages this thought out in one hour. | ||
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DarthPunk
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I will get to your case on me shortly but right now ##Vote: Z -Boson | ||
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Z-BosoN
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Let's learn to count first. YourHarry, Obvious, and You. That requires one jailkeeper and two roleblockers. Unless you wish to claim roleblocker as well, lol. goodkarma jailed you. I roleblocked YourHarry. YourHarry roleblocked Obvious. Three. | ||
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DarthPunk
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In response to the case against me. On August 24 2012 10:00 Z-BosoN wrote: I've been doing my homework and look at what I've come up on DarthPunk. He and goodkarma have been trading hugs ever since the beggining of the game Not entirely true, but I have had a strong town read on Goodkarma from pretty early on. This is largely due to the fact that goodkarma's position though made independently, strongly mirrored my own. I fail to see how this is scummy and I certainly have not just sheeped GK this game. I made my own reads and cases and they happened to match up. I have also not completely mirrored Goodkarmas position or taken everything he said at face value. However, I do believe him to be town. And two townies working together at MYLO was the best course of action. On August 24 2012 10:00 Z-BosoN wrote: DarthPunk ignores what's convenient for him Suddenly me and Harry have become much more suspicious on his eyes because we became suspicious of goodkarma? Did he even bother responding to mine or YourHarry's posts? Also, note how he quotes my post and doesn't address it. It feels a lot more like an instant reaction , as if he read my post, didn't like it, immediately quoted it and made weak arguments, basically stating that I've . Of course, he does this without being afraid because he doesn't feel like he is a target. Your post contained the over reaction to me saying you were neutral at that point in time, I had not yet called you a scum but your reaction to not viewing you as town was what caused me to initially become suspicious of you. I do not ignore things that are inconvenient. It seems to me your are attempting to attack my credibility just as you and your harry tried with GK. What is the town motivation for attacking BOTH of the most established townies? On August 24 2012 10:00 Z-BosoN wrote: What's even more hilarious about this is his next argument: I haven't been attacking SolarSail. Seriously guys, go to his filter and look at how many times he's addressed SolarSail since August 15th. Ok, you probably found, once in august 17th, once in 18th, once in 19th, and, from 22nd forward, a TON. And, in these days (17th,18th,19th) he didn't attack SolarSail ONCE. So how is it that he can go ahead and say that I've been ignoring Solar ever since day 1, since he has been also doing the same thing? This may cause me to be a hypocrite but that does not make me scum. On August 24 2012 10:00 Z-BosoN wrote: He can't. He's not worried about that. He thinks his word is now law and in his mind he doesn't need to bother with such details, and can go spreading them like wildfire. And WHEN was I a bit too defensive when you accused SolarSail of being town? I'm not even going to search for this, so please, enlighten me. Also, make sure and see if I did so without reason or without an explanation. I don;t know what you are talking about here. Could you please quote the post you are referencing and I will get back to you. As to I think my word is law? You sound like a scum panicked by the fact that two townies Myself and goodkarma are working together and you are now trying to discredit us as much as possible. On August 24 2012 10:00 Z-BosoN wrote: He's dodgy with his responses and says: "this seems very suspicious" multiple times, without explaining, always making SURE that he is sheeping goodkarma. This is blatantly false. I have not just sheeped Goodkarma. I have made my own reads but I have also worked with GK for the good of the town. This is hardly anti town behaviour. I apologise if I have just assumed that it was obvious why certain things was suspicious However I have alwaysed clarified when questioned. It was pretty obvious to be honest. On August 24 2012 10:00 Z-BosoN wrote: MAJOR scumslip by DarthPunk [spoiler] Guys, read their last conversation, before they both went to sleep. Doesn't it bring up a lot of red flags? WHY IN THE WORLD would scum feel forced to bus one of their own? If scum can get a misslynch, they win, that easily. If he feels that way, why didn't he bother explaining it?. Because he finds no reason to. He feels comfortable that he and goodkarma are the "untouchables" and can go around making people believe what he wants. And this, as mafia, is exactly what he is thinking right now. He feels they can't get a misslynch train going on Solar with someone obviously scummy such as YourHarry, so they just go with bussing their scum friend, YourHarry. Most likely, they will focus on Solar next, granted his easyness to target. You are coming apart at the seams. Ignoring the first WIFOM argument you make. You are saying here that I was trying to bus your harry in order to facilitate a mislynch on Solar? except at the conclusion of this post you say you roleblocked Solar and prevented the NK. So this Your entire argument relies on Town Solar whom in this very post oyu say is scum. On August 24 2012 10:00 Z-BosoN wrote: Please elaborate and quote the post in which this occured.1) He made up the argument that I was quick to defend SolarSail, which is UNTRUE. On August 24 2012 10:00 Z-BosoN wrote: 2) He invented that I didn't give reason as to why I chose SolarSail over him. Once again, Please elaborate and quote the post in which this occured. On August 24 2012 10:00 Z-BosoN wrote: 3) He stated that it was me and YourHarry who did the last minute push, when YH had nothing on it. Your Harry voted solar at the last minute. On August 24 2012 10:00 Z-BosoN wrote: 4) He AGREED WITH ALL THE BLUES CLAIMING. When he saw that this was a bad idea, he immediately retracted. Saying he was "emotionally compromised", when it was JHuyt who had just been killed, which is an actual help for us. What kind of crap is this, and why does it go unnoted? This is probably the strongest point against me, all I can say is that I thought we needed all the blues to claim in order to have the best chance of avoiding a mislynch. On reflection I decided it would be best for the blues to claim at their discretion as they had more info then I did on their circumstances. On August 24 2012 10:00 Z-BosoN wrote: I noted this ever since you began to idolize him, since day 1 or 2. I also noted that he was roleblocked twice, and that must mean that your are a [blue]JailKeeper[blue]. I've suspected this for a long time, given your affection of him, and thus, I did not KILL YOU. Why would I not do that? So I could use that right now as an argument? How is this relevant at all to the case against me? I find it difficult to believe that YH did not RB me on consecutive nights due to me calling him out day one. Regardless this is not relevant. | ||
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DarthPunk
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On August 24 2012 10:34 Z-BosoN wrote: As expected, you would be the first to answer this. Let's learn to count first. YourHarry, Obvious, and You. That requires one jailkeeper and two roleblockers. Unless you wish to claim roleblocker as well, lol. goodkarma jailed you. I roleblocked YourHarry. YourHarry roleblocked Obvious. Three. Massive slip. If you RB'd harry his RB would not have gone through. Nice try SCUM | ||
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DarthPunk
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On August 24 2012 11:01 DarthPunk wrote: Massive slip. If you RB'd harry his RB would not have gone through. Nice try SCUM Never mind, I just read about roleblockers in the OP and all recipients of a roleblock will be notified. I retract this. | ||
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