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Solarsail
United Kingdom538 Posts
1. I wasn't suspicious of Jhuyt because there was so little to work with. I have him down as a near-lurker and hence '?' for now. 2. Jhuyt and I have a specific history in a specific thread involving some deleted posts. It's understandable him and him alone would say that. | ||
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Solarsail
United Kingdom538 Posts
There's essentially no way to verify the truth of this statement if only him and Solar can attest to it. I want to hear a clearer read between Solar and JHuyt, specifically why Solar believes JHuyt to be innocent and not worth a lurker lynch. --JHuyt: Still haven't responded, so my original case on him still stands. Strong FoS, and if he continues to lurk I may consider changing my vote to him to guarantee a no-lynch. Right now though, my top lynch target is Thrawn. From the first massively WIFOM Serial Killer post, to the WIFOM on Policy, YH, and Solarsail, to his soft defense of Ochrow against Z-Boson--all of this smells extremely scummy. Scum have to look like they're active, scum have to stay alive, and scum have to help each other. Thrawn's posting behavior fits all three motives to a T. Lynch Thrawn. Thrawn just said it. Pony thread. I'm not going to elaborate because they are far, far outside the context of this thread save that they happened. I don't believe Jhuyt is innocent. I just don't have enough reason to put together a case based on his lack of posting so far. To whatever extent you choose to interpret he was defending me, I agree that is suspicious. I do concede that the effect of my earlier posting was causing thread derailment and was not perhaps the intended effect, but it did generate this current discussion which contains specific positions and evidence from a number of people that will be very useful in future so I wouldn't agree it was all bad. -- I believe I already unvoted Shady but looks like it didn't count so: ##Unvote That implies nothing about my current opinion of Shady which will be in my next post shortly. | ||
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Solarsail
United Kingdom538 Posts
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Solarsail
United Kingdom538 Posts
I was never completely satisfied by his explanation of jumping on me second post to stimulate discussion, nor persisting with it. The encouragement of baseless voting is another strike there for me. None of his suspicions have had sufficient evidence for On Thrawn: If Mafia he is playing a clever game presenting very well reasoned arguments with evidence, quite in contrast to Shady. I quite understand his previous position on Archrun as well, lynching semi-lurkers who have not contributed to discussion with their posting. But Archrun has now posted enough so that lynching him on that basis is unacceptable. However Thrawn and Shady are getting at each other, which is very interesting. I am satisfied with the defences Thrawn has posted of soft defending me and of being independent from Ochrow's weak argument when FoSing Archrun. People have yet to point out a damning flaw in his arguments. Here's the summary of the Thrawn case: 1) Lots of soft-defenses of multiple players through the first half of D1 2) Jumping on the Archrun train with poor justification ("non-contributing lurker") 3) Chainsawing a neutral player (Z-Boson) for attacking the player who he used to justify the Archrun FoS (Ochrow) 4) Continuing to FoS Archrun even after he posted content, sheeping Ochrow, the same player who he was defending against Z-Boson 5) Coordinating *all* his reads with Ochrow (including the ones on YH and Solar, the two other contentious players in the game) 6) Threatening to OMGUS lynch me if I don't reread his defense and reconsider my accusations against him (based off the exact opposite justifications that he used to accuse Archrun) 7) OMGUS voting me anyhow On the basis that Thrawn hasn't done much wrong, this post is unacceptable. 1), 2), 4), 5) have been adequately defending and for Shady to act like they have not been is not moving discussion forward. He should be attacking Thrawn's words and not his actions. [QUOTE]In addition to Thrawn, I'm open to a D1 lynch on Ochrow, or JHuyt if that's what it takes to defeat a no-lynch.[QUOTE] [QUOTE]Vote Thrawn2112, FoS Ochrow. Everyone just do it.[QUOTE] This is also a big mistake. Being happy about lynching someone with little evidence is not town behaviour. If he was still focused on a single target and proving it that would be great, but he needs to lay out a greater case for the other two than what he has. Particularly the Ochrow coordination case is very weak, the Archrun things look independent to me and the reaction to Z-boson's interpretation post was more informational, it needed to be corrected immediately so the thread didn't derail on a misunderstood syntax. ##Vote Shady Sands Can't shake the feeling that Thrawn has set Shady up as his own worst enemy and Shady is just playing very badly to fall in. DarthPunk is my strongest Town read this far and he is saying the opposite. But I have had so many problems with Shady this game, and while Thrawn is not off my radar I can't ignore this. | ||
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Solarsail
United Kingdom538 Posts
That is very strong. I would like to see Thrawn defend that. Now that DP's argument is there in full with evidence, the line "mkfuba07, after reading my post do you agree with my claim that YH is town? If not, why not?" is really, really out of place. | ||
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Solarsail
United Kingdom538 Posts
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Solarsail
United Kingdom538 Posts
Golbat your explanation better follow very, very quickly. | ||
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Solarsail
United Kingdom538 Posts
On August 17 2012 08:10 YourHarry wrote: My strong town read on Thrawn is confirmed by Archrun's recent post stating that exactly Thrawn or Shady are scum. I don't know how he arrived at this conclusion. While it is unlikely that they are bussing each other as scums, how to exclude the possibility that they are both towns? I would like recruit people to support a lynch against Archrun. Archrun flipping scum likely means that Thrawn and Shady (Thrawn, especially) are probably town. I would be prepared to swap to Archrun, but I don't want to unvote quite yet in case Thrawn is accidentally lynched, since the Archrun route implies Thrawn is town. | ||
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Solarsail
United Kingdom538 Posts
It doesn't. But a vote for Archrun would be accompanied by an assumption Thrawn IS town, or none of Archrun/Thrawn's posts make sense. Anyway I decided I shouldn't make an impulse switch and we don't have time to argue this out with all participants. | ||
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Solarsail
United Kingdom538 Posts
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Solarsail
United Kingdom538 Posts
I'm less convinced on YourHarry since there is no direct link and I had a soft town read from yesterday, but there's two good candidates right there. Lol Thrawn your vigilante claim is ridiculous. Vigilantes do not reveal that they are vigilantes over such a trivial matter as defending themselves, as the role is so powerful that scum have no choice but to kill you immediately. ##Vote: Thrawn ##FoS: Ochrow | ||
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Solarsail
United Kingdom538 Posts
##Vote Thrawn | ||
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Solarsail
United Kingdom538 Posts
On August 18 2012 10:31 thrawn2112 wrote: Why would I have a reason to not reveal myself as Vig? After using my 1 bullet my role is worthless and I have nothing to gain from hiding it. Therefore claiming to defend myself is not ridiculous, because I have no reason to keep it a secret anymore. Sorry, I thought it was always multiple bullets, didn't check OP. But we also have to believe your claim it was conveniently 1 bullet. | ||
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Solarsail
United Kingdom538 Posts
On August 18 2012 15:29 DarthPunk wrote: These lurkers are really hurting us by the way. Afaik we have five votes for Thrawn (could be wrong) and zero for anyone else. No one except the Thrawn and YH have argued against GK's scenario usefully, and the vig claim is the most desperate thing this game in my view. Thus I'm OK with the status quo. I'm still reading the thread and trying to construct a case for myself why GK might be wrong,since Thrawn and YH are doing a poor job at doing it themselves. Requesting vote count | ||
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Solarsail
United Kingdom538 Posts
I agree with much of gk's posting minus the initial shared QT accusation because that is unlikely to have produced the coincidental posts with the same agenda. The lying to us, lurking, nonaggression and general avoidance of Ochrow/Obvious stands out a lot more (oh and the OMGUS vote) and YH has demonstrated some serious read errors and flip flops if he is indeed town. So my case against Thrawn is mostly by association with YH and Ochrow than directly. I will keep my vote on him because it is a combined one from gk's case and thrawn's individual behaviour. However /unlike/ GK I will not switch around as people's defences go up and down with each post. I will be around at the deadline but I don't plan to switch. The lurkers simply have not posted enough to make any case as strong as vs Thrawn or vs Obvious so I can't justify voting for them instead of those two. This is possibly by design; if so they are lucky that D1 was intense and D2 was focused on a single case to avoid attention. | ||
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Solarsail
United Kingdom538 Posts
I see we've ditched logic in favour of the impassioned rant. Obvious, that is the worst deliberate post in this thread. You still didn't respond to the thrawn case, or any ongoing case except yourself. No one is expecting you to defend Ochrow's every word, you're responding to a threat that doesn't exist and you're not even up for lynch so I can't call it desperation. You claimed town. Why would you even do that. You're actually blaming Ochrow ('maybe he banned himself'). However those bad posts form part of your record, so with the information you have you can do a LOT more than simply throw your hands up. You mentioned a QT to deny it. Everyone had given up on QT based speculation, why would you bring it back in? You continued to OMGUS attack goodkarma, when he has been asking only for the kind of info everyone needs from you as a replacement player. | ||
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Solarsail
United Kingdom538 Posts
On August 20 2012 07:36 Stutters695 wrote: Additionally due to YH's activeness a flip gives us additional information, especially if he's scum. By the same reasoning an Obvious/Ochrow lynch if no one gets behind YH. That is not a reason to vote, it shouldn't be part of your argument. Flipping people for info is not a good plan when three town players died on the first night. Make sure your case that YH is mafia stands on its own as. | ||
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Solarsail
United Kingdom538 Posts
So here's what I'm going to do. I will vote Obvious, and then right before deadline I will vote Thrawn UNLESS I can ensure an Obvious lynch by sticking. Anyone who changes vote right before deadline without a pre-existing read of that person being scum I am going to take as mafia manipulation. ##Vote Obvious.660 | ||
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United Kingdom538 Posts
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Solarsail
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I am having second thoughts about Thrawn. What a surprise. Scum YH has a good motivation for this: be accused as one of the three, bus Thrawn to save yourself when the case against you looks strong, and backtrack on that close to deadline when he's about to be lynched and people are talking about switching. | ||
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