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Solarsail
Profile Joined July 2012
United Kingdom538 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-13 00:08:56
August 13 2012 00:05 GMT
#33
/in

About how many times per day is one expected to post?
Everyone left over is a member of the OP race and you have to figure out which one of them is the least OP. - CosmicSpiral
Solarsail
Profile Joined July 2012
United Kingdom538 Posts
August 13 2012 00:41 GMT
#40
On August 13 2012 09:20 Keirathi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 13 2012 09:05 Solarsail wrote:
/in

About how many times per day is one expected to post?

You are expected to post AT LEAST once per day/night cycle. You also are required to vote every day cycle. However, I would be sad if that's all that you posted.

Unofficial response: I think its generally a good idea to try to post 7-8 times per day at the very least. Any less than that, and people are going to be questioning your amount of content. Lurking makes the game unfun for everyone.


Day being Mafia Day or real day? And thanks.
Everyone left over is a member of the OP race and you have to figure out which one of them is the least OP. - CosmicSpiral
Solarsail
Profile Joined July 2012
United Kingdom538 Posts
August 13 2012 00:43 GMT
#42
On August 13 2012 09:42 Keirathi wrote:
Mafia day, aka 48 hours.


Thanks.
Everyone left over is a member of the OP race and you have to figure out which one of them is the least OP. - CosmicSpiral
Solarsail
Profile Joined July 2012
United Kingdom538 Posts
August 15 2012 00:32 GMT
#93
Reading the many guides linked on the library which are incredbly helpful, the most important thing I saw is that the town needs to stay active and stay on point. If we are to lynch anyone it has to be because of real information and evidence, and that has to be readily available from the thread. If we're trying to learn we need a long record to practise analysing.

Imagine how scared of posting you would be if you'd signed up for your first game and rolled Mafia. Your posts would be short, infrequent, and not hold any information that disagrees with the general direction so as not to stand out.
Everyone left over is a member of the OP race and you have to figure out which one of them is the least OP. - CosmicSpiral
Solarsail
Profile Joined July 2012
United Kingdom538 Posts
August 15 2012 01:10 GMT
#101
On August 15 2012 10:01 Shady Sands wrote:
Solarsail, why post this?

Show nested quote +
Imagine how scared of posting you would be if you'd signed up for your first game and rolled Mafia. Your posts would be short, infrequent, and not hold any information that disagrees with the general direction so as not to stand out.


Because I've played one game of Mafia in my life, it was on another forum and that happened. But I forgot that "Newbie" in the title means that everyone is a fucking veteran and doesn't need to be told anything.

I have no idea what a good post is, please enlighten me on how I can make completely flawless first posts with zero information.

Everyone left over is a member of the OP race and you have to figure out which one of them is the least OP. - CosmicSpiral
Solarsail
Profile Joined July 2012
United Kingdom538 Posts
August 15 2012 01:12 GMT
#105
On August 15 2012 09:55 thrawn2112 wrote:
If there isn't an SK, then this line of discussion is a complete waste of time and we would be doing the mafia's job for them, which is why I asked if anyone has experience in games with an SK so that we all can get a better idea of what the risk/reward anaylsis should be on determining whether or not and when to focus on a potential SK.


No no, please stop with your "advice" because any text at all might be contrived as suspicious and followed up on instantaneously by sniper fire.
Everyone left over is a member of the OP race and you have to figure out which one of them is the least OP. - CosmicSpiral
Solarsail
Profile Joined July 2012
United Kingdom538 Posts
August 15 2012 01:20 GMT
#110
On August 15 2012 10:15 Shady Sands wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 15 2012 10:10 Solarsail wrote:
On August 15 2012 10:01 Shady Sands wrote:
Solarsail, why post this?

Imagine how scared of posting you would be if you'd signed up for your first game and rolled Mafia. Your posts would be short, infrequent, and not hold any information that disagrees with the general direction so as not to stand out.


Because I've played one game of Mafia in my life, it was on another forum and that happened. But I forgot that "Newbie" in the title means that everyone is a fucking veteran and doesn't need to be told anything.

I have no idea what a good post is, please enlighten me on how I can make completely flawless first posts with zero information.



Stutters. Stutters said something perfectly townish which you tried to soft twist into scummy play.

Show nested quote +
On August 15 2012 09:13 Stutters695 wrote:
I'm not going to quote the entire post, but I'd strongly recommend the town to read Hapahauli's post following XXIII(http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=355874&currentpage=58#1160). Was watching that game while I was waiting for this to start and based off of his scumhunting track record it contains some good advice. Since it's probable we will mislynch we need to get as much out of Day 1 as possible.


Then you say:

Show nested quote +
Imagine how scared of posting you would be if you'd signed up for your first game and rolled Mafia. Your posts would be short, infrequent, and not hold any information that disagrees with the general direction so as not to stand out.


You're basically accusing stutters without accusing him directly. Why?


Lol you think in my first serious attempt at a game I'd start implying stuff with multiple layers of meaning? I wanted to post something day one that would at least show I had read the TL guides and was making an effort to participate. Feel free to read into it like I'm a pro though. Go on.

Everyone IS DOING THE SAME THING today, which is trying NOT TO DIE AT THE FIRST MENTION OF AN INCONSISTENCY.

If you don't stop I will vote you.
Everyone left over is a member of the OP race and you have to figure out which one of them is the least OP. - CosmicSpiral
Solarsail
Profile Joined July 2012
United Kingdom538 Posts
August 15 2012 01:29 GMT
#114
On August 15 2012 10:23 Shady Sands wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 15 2012 10:20 Solarsail wrote:
On August 15 2012 10:15 Shady Sands wrote:
On August 15 2012 10:10 Solarsail wrote:
On August 15 2012 10:01 Shady Sands wrote:
Solarsail, why post this?

Imagine how scared of posting you would be if you'd signed up for your first game and rolled Mafia. Your posts would be short, infrequent, and not hold any information that disagrees with the general direction so as not to stand out.


Because I've played one game of Mafia in my life, it was on another forum and that happened. But I forgot that "Newbie" in the title means that everyone is a fucking veteran and doesn't need to be told anything.

I have no idea what a good post is, please enlighten me on how I can make completely flawless first posts with zero information.



Stutters. Stutters said something perfectly townish which you tried to soft twist into scummy play.

On August 15 2012 09:13 Stutters695 wrote:
I'm not going to quote the entire post, but I'd strongly recommend the town to read Hapahauli's post following XXIII(http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=355874&currentpage=58#1160). Was watching that game while I was waiting for this to start and based off of his scumhunting track record it contains some good advice. Since it's probable we will mislynch we need to get as much out of Day 1 as possible.


Then you say:

Imagine how scared of posting you would be if you'd signed up for your first game and rolled Mafia. Your posts would be short, infrequent, and not hold any information that disagrees with the general direction so as not to stand out.


You're basically accusing stutters without accusing him directly. Why?


Lol you think in my first serious attempt at a game I'd start implying stuff with multiple layers of meaning? I wanted to post something day one that would at least show I had read the TL guides and was making an effort to participate. Feel free to read into it like I'm a pro though. Go on.

Everyone IS DOING THE SAME THING today, which is trying NOT TO DIE AT THE FIRST MENTION OF AN INCONSISTENCY.

If you don't stop I will vote you.


Only scum focus on trying to survive. Town focuses on scumhunting. Why would you devote your first post to trying to show participation?


Wow. Guess I'm scum then.

##Vote: Shady Sands

Seriously this is not worth your amazing detective skills, case solved already, go look at someone else. Or just realise that I'm trying and shut up.
Everyone left over is a member of the OP race and you have to figure out which one of them is the least OP. - CosmicSpiral
Solarsail
Profile Joined July 2012
United Kingdom538 Posts
August 15 2012 01:30 GMT
#117
The above should be bolded..

##Vote: Shady Sands
Everyone left over is a member of the OP race and you have to figure out which one of them is the least OP. - CosmicSpiral
Solarsail
Profile Joined July 2012
United Kingdom538 Posts
August 15 2012 01:36 GMT
#121
On August 15 2012 10:34 Shady Sands wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 15 2012 10:29 Solarsail wrote:
On August 15 2012 10:23 Shady Sands wrote:
On August 15 2012 10:20 Solarsail wrote:
On August 15 2012 10:15 Shady Sands wrote:
On August 15 2012 10:10 Solarsail wrote:
On August 15 2012 10:01 Shady Sands wrote:
Solarsail, why post this?

Imagine how scared of posting you would be if you'd signed up for your first game and rolled Mafia. Your posts would be short, infrequent, and not hold any information that disagrees with the general direction so as not to stand out.


Because I've played one game of Mafia in my life, it was on another forum and that happened. But I forgot that "Newbie" in the title means that everyone is a fucking veteran and doesn't need to be told anything.

I have no idea what a good post is, please enlighten me on how I can make completely flawless first posts with zero information.



Stutters. Stutters said something perfectly townish which you tried to soft twist into scummy play.

On August 15 2012 09:13 Stutters695 wrote:
I'm not going to quote the entire post, but I'd strongly recommend the town to read Hapahauli's post following XXIII(http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=355874&currentpage=58#1160). Was watching that game while I was waiting for this to start and based off of his scumhunting track record it contains some good advice. Since it's probable we will mislynch we need to get as much out of Day 1 as possible.


Then you say:

Imagine how scared of posting you would be if you'd signed up for your first game and rolled Mafia. Your posts would be short, infrequent, and not hold any information that disagrees with the general direction so as not to stand out.


You're basically accusing stutters without accusing him directly. Why?


Lol you think in my first serious attempt at a game I'd start implying stuff with multiple layers of meaning? I wanted to post something day one that would at least show I had read the TL guides and was making an effort to participate. Feel free to read into it like I'm a pro though. Go on.

Everyone IS DOING THE SAME THING today, which is trying NOT TO DIE AT THE FIRST MENTION OF AN INCONSISTENCY.

If you don't stop I will vote you.


Only scum focus on trying to survive. Town focuses on scumhunting. Why would you devote your first post to trying to show participation?


Wow. Guess I'm scum then.

##Vote: Shady Sands

Seriously this is not worth your amazing detective skills, case solved already, go look at someone else. Or just realise that I'm trying and shut up.


LOL why are you voting me?


To get you to stop quoting me. It's NOT HELPING ANYONE. Go post about someone else.


Everyone left over is a member of the OP race and you have to figure out which one of them is the least OP. - CosmicSpiral
Solarsail
Profile Joined July 2012
United Kingdom538 Posts
August 15 2012 01:55 GMT
#131


However, we should always strive for clarity and activeness. From my readings, these are the two master traits we must have if we want to win as townies. This being said, I will strike with great vengeance and furious anger those who attempt to poison and destroy these virtues!


Hey Shady this guy is VERY SUSPICIOUS for saying exactly the same as me and I think you should get right on questioning him into the ground.
Everyone left over is a member of the OP race and you have to figure out which one of them is the least OP. - CosmicSpiral
Solarsail
Profile Joined July 2012
United Kingdom538 Posts
August 15 2012 01:55 GMT
#132
On August 15 2012 10:47 thrawn2112 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 15 2012 10:37 Shady Sands wrote:
On August 15 2012 10:32 thrawn2112 wrote:
Most of Solarsail's posts so far have contained quite a bit of emotion which has made his points less articulate than they otherwise would have been. Solarsail, if you are in fact town then I'm sure all the other townies would greatly appreciate it if you weren't so quick to use profanities and typing in all caps, it distracts from whatever arguments are being made.


Quick question: If you've never played with Solarsail before, how would you know whether his points are less or more articulate than they could be?

Seconding your point on the profanities though.


I wouldn't know if they are more or less articulate than however he may have been in previous games, but for this purpose of this game it's making his posts a little unclear. Unclear could just mean unclear OR mafia, but the end result is that I pay more attention to his posts.


O WOW IM BEING PAID ATTENTION TO ITS ALL I DREAMED OF

Let's go with the meta-meta-analysis of tiny comments without adding anything new, that's sure to help. When Shady Sands stops the 'thing' he has going I'll vote for who you're "paying attention to" because that's an objective measure appreciated by town players everywhere.
Everyone left over is a member of the OP race and you have to figure out which one of them is the least OP. - CosmicSpiral
Solarsail
Profile Joined July 2012
United Kingdom538 Posts
August 15 2012 02:08 GMT
#134
On August 15 2012 11:01 mkfuba07 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 15 2012 10:55 Solarsail wrote:
On August 15 2012 10:47 thrawn2112 wrote:
On August 15 2012 10:37 Shady Sands wrote:
On August 15 2012 10:32 thrawn2112 wrote:
Most of Solarsail's posts so far have contained quite a bit of emotion which has made his points less articulate than they otherwise would have been. Solarsail, if you are in fact town then I'm sure all the other townies would greatly appreciate it if you weren't so quick to use profanities and typing in all caps, it distracts from whatever arguments are being made.


Quick question: If you've never played with Solarsail before, how would you know whether his points are less or more articulate than they could be?

Seconding your point on the profanities though.


I wouldn't know if they are more or less articulate than however he may have been in previous games, but for this purpose of this game it's making his posts a little unclear. Unclear could just mean unclear OR mafia, but the end result is that I pay more attention to his posts.


O WOW IM BEING PAID ATTENTION TO ITS ALL I DREAMED OF

Let's go with the meta-meta-analysis of tiny comments without adding anything new, that's sure to help. When Shady Sands stops the 'thing' he has going I'll vote for who you're "paying attention to" because that's an objective measure appreciated by town players everywhere.

Alright, I feel like Shady was overreacting too, but there needs to be a starting point for discussion. Your reactions have been completely emotionally based and by virtue of not being pro-town, appear scummy by default. Might his posts have been a bit contrived? Yes. From what I can see, he's scumhunting no matter what. Whether he actually believes that your first few posts were scummy, your follow-up posts aren't helping town in any way. You say you'll vote for someone when someone else makes a case for them based on reasoning, so start trying to do that instead of screaming at Shady.


> Drops in from ceiling
> Why, yes, I can see some of argument A but I can also see some of argument B, aren't I so fair and reasonable good sirs
> Let me give advice to you, for I am a kind and generous spirit

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Everyone left over is a member of the OP race and you have to figure out which one of them is the least OP. - CosmicSpiral
Solarsail
Profile Joined July 2012
United Kingdom538 Posts
August 15 2012 02:42 GMT
#141
On August 15 2012 11:33 goodkarma wrote:

Regarding lynch all lurkers:

Yeah. Got me last game as scum with that but tbh I would have been just about as active day one as town. I still don't really have day one figured out, so don't expect me to go into hyperactive mode for day one this game. [/QUOTE]

Because people care about your detailed feelings on when you like to post.


Now would be a great time to discuss policy.


Let's discuss your policy of making an """"""""""""""""""introductory"""""""""""""""""""""""" post trying to be all helpful. As we know, doing this at all gets a call from the SCUMHUNT POLICE who want details of your movements for the last five years inclusive.
Everyone left over is a member of the OP race and you have to figure out which one of them is the least OP. - CosmicSpiral
Solarsail
Profile Joined July 2012
United Kingdom538 Posts
August 15 2012 02:45 GMT
#144
On August 15 2012 11:44 thrawn2112 wrote:
solar you really need to clear up your post formatting, especially concerning the quote feature


can't because of no edit rule
Everyone left over is a member of the OP race and you have to figure out which one of them is the least OP. - CosmicSpiral
Solarsail
Profile Joined July 2012
United Kingdom538 Posts
August 15 2012 02:54 GMT
#151
To summarize my meta, in the first 2.5 games, I am quick to make accusations and switch my vote players with little explanation. I decided to change my meta in game 3 where I drew vanilla townie. I played more conservative to avoid suspicion.

I am not sure which meta I will choose this game


HOW ABOUT

NOT DYING

SMILEY FACE
Everyone left over is a member of the OP race and you have to figure out which one of them is the least OP. - CosmicSpiral
Solarsail
Profile Joined July 2012
United Kingdom538 Posts
August 15 2012 11:35 GMT
#230
Good morning.

I intend to be civil and not emotional from now on. My posts were very deliberately an attempt to get discussion going and see what people's alignments were, and this was a success in that I want to point out two people. My behaviour was consistently anti-town, so a good town player would be telling me to stop being erratic but not defending me.

So, first I want to discuss Shady Sands. Apart from one-line questioning of me, and the unneeded insistence on filters as has been pointed out, he has done little else and none of his arguments have been reasonable or backed up by evidence. His enduring suspicion of me based on the first post doesn't make sense because it was just the second post and neither town nor mafia would have a motivation to start accusing someone at that point. If it was just to start discussion in itself why would he persist in asserting it for the next eight pages as if it was substantial.

Secondly, the continued defence of me by Thrawn has no basis. I was clearly being anti-town. Some evidence:

"I am still of the opinion that solar's posts are somewhat likely to be emotional overreactions rather than scummy."

"Shady, can you explain your reasoning for initially jumping all over solar?"

"Most of the discussion right now is about solarsail. I don't think there's anything wrong with this because so far his posts haven't seemed very useful but we have still yet to hear from several players. He could easily be town and just reacting to everyone immediately jumping on his case as soon as the game starts."

"Suspicion of a soft accusation is hardly good evidence that he should be lynched especially when there has been so little discussion so far so I am not sold on your case against him."


There is little reason to defend me so much unless your motivation is to defend someone he knows to be town player for deflection reasons.

--

I am unvoting because my original vote was baseless and I want to hear Shady's response before making a serious attempt at voting him.

Unvote

The thread consensus has been that I'm town. Thus if I am mafia I have nothing to gain from changing my playstyle now.


Everyone left over is a member of the OP race and you have to figure out which one of them is the least OP. - CosmicSpiral
Solarsail
Profile Joined July 2012
United Kingdom538 Posts
August 15 2012 11:58 GMT
#237
On YH:

Looking at his filter that's even more erratic than I was acting. Worthless vote, full on vote rescinded within a page, not sharing information are all indicators. I'm waiting for YH's response particularly on the 'information' he has.

Shady, I still feel the same about you.

- I understand why you said filters are useful. Why the insistence on everyone /posting/ filters? They are accessible to anyone who is interested, given that we at most have two previous games to look at, and you've mentioned it far more than just a few posts to remind everyone they exist.
- The explanation for my post is what I originally said: I had this feeling once and I didn't know most in this game had far more experience than me so I wanted to point that out from experience. Nothing else intended by that. After I defended that (weak) accusation, you continued to press me on it instead of pressing me on my anti-town posting which was far and away the most standout thing about me. You actually underreacted to the fake vote and my responses to you.
Everyone left over is a member of the OP race and you have to figure out which one of them is the least OP. - CosmicSpiral
Solarsail
Profile Joined July 2012
United Kingdom538 Posts
August 15 2012 12:03 GMT
#239
YH's "But let's forget everything I said about Solar." (per Thrawn's quote)

Mafia games are not about forgetting. Whatever you (YH) said is on record, whatever suspicions you have do not go away over single posts. What made you change your mind so completely that you now want to forget what you said before hand?
Everyone left over is a member of the OP race and you have to figure out which one of them is the least OP. - CosmicSpiral
Solarsail
Profile Joined July 2012
United Kingdom538 Posts
August 15 2012 16:35 GMT
#245
YH that is a much better post. You had a theory, evidence and explanations. It actually makes a lot of sense.

Shady, I do not have the link because the game was played in 2008 and the site's forum has since been wiped and reset. I'm glad you gave some straight answers to my points, I just have one more thing: why are you no longer suspicious of me?

Ochrow do you have anything to comment upon YH or Shady or something new in the thread? Instead of posting about the general consensus.
Everyone left over is a member of the OP race and you have to figure out which one of them is the least OP. - CosmicSpiral
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