PTP3 - Pikachu's Revenge

On August 11 2012 01:33 strongandbig wrote:
Aww so we don't know the specific player we're making a role for? That would open a whole new world of trolling possibilities.

On August 14 2012 03:53 Mementoss wrote:
Long time no see. Just finished summer semester.

/In

On August 17 2012 09:36 bumatlarge wrote:


I still dont understand how that worked out.

On August 21 2012 05:38 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
Chezinu has not yet tried to make a new house called the chezinu house, fake claimed a role, or said hes brown. Guy is mafia yo.

On August 20 2012 12:54 JingleHell wrote:


Ignoring the part where you're not synonymous with we, I can think of other reasons to lynch Grush, like the fact that it reduces the number of posts that sound like they were made by Grush. Which is a benefit in and of itself.

Do you have a candidate to suggest? Or are you stifling discussion for a reason that isn't scummy?

On August 21 2012 07:04 strongandbig wrote:


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are you serious right now?

you'd rather policy lynch grush?

you know we do have actual discussion of scum candidates going on right now, even if the cases aren't great neither are the responses so there's plenty of ground for a real lynch

and almost certainly like a million vigs in this game

and you want to policy lynch grush??????

are you serious right now?


scuuuuuum claaaaaaaaaim

On August 21 2012 07:14 VisceraEyes wrote:
If there's no support for it, then I'll entertain the cases put forth. There isn't much more to say on the matter, and anyone who dwells on this should be put under scrutiny. It's a vote like any other vote, I've given my reasoning for it - it's up to you guys to convince me that your read on random player is better than my seething hatred for grush' playstyle. I can tell you without a doubt that attempting to bully me for it is not going to work.

On August 21 2012 08:50 Mattchew wrote:

cause you haven't sunk your teeth into a real candidate with reason yet, you haven't picked a fight, you also havent explained why you havent done the previously mentioned things. you usually do atleast 1 of these things as town

On August 21 2012 09:06 Mattchew wrote:

I'd like a more informed read to lynch off of and I agree that SnB's case is weak, but I still have a scum read on Draz. He is back peddling and clearly nervous while trying to act like he's been cool calm and collected the entire game.

You also haven't voted a weak read early (to provoke reaction) and said my vote is my tool or w.e you say, so I wouldn't be completely against lynching you currently

On August 21 2012 10:02 bumatlarge wrote:


Sure ask him but not me. Sounds like you and grush have played together. You are voting with emotion, or feigning it. That's typically townie if it's genuine. Obviously if you are faking it just to throw your vote around uselessly, then you are scum.

Enlighten me on what it was, and take your vote off grush.

On August 20 2012 16:59 strongandbig wrote:
Man, this thread is hilarious! A great way to start the morning!

+ Show Spoiler [some of my favorites[/spoiler] +

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Now for a little bit of seriousness: I think Drazerk is scum.

Two reasons, with subpoints:

(1) The "trying to out KP roles" thing. Now, IDGAF whether or not it's a good idea for town - that's not the point right now. The point is, Drazerk was clearly just doing stuff for the sake of doing stuff.

(1A) He hadn't thought through whether or not outing KP roles is a good idea for town or not before he started doing it; you can tell because his argument with me evolves over the course of the discussion, and he relies on the "kenpachi assumption" of balanced type distribution, but not until after Kenpachi suggested it - implying he hadn't originally been making that assumption. Additionally, he clearly assumes the existence of factional KP until later on.

(1B) His method of trying to out KP roles sucks ass juice. Like, we know nothing more than we did previously about whether or not Toad has a KP role than we did before, all we know is that when Drazerk (fake?)claimed a KP role, toad (fake?)claimed a KP role right back. There's no way that his troll method gains reliable information, either as scum or as town. Drazerk is also smart enough to realize this.

(1C) Okay, so what? Just doing stupid trolly shit doesn't make Drazerk town. As he himself has informed us, his town meta in this kind of heavily themed game is to do stupid trolly shit and not be useful to town. I've played enough of these games with him to recognize that. My argument isn't that he's scum because he does stupid trolly shit. He is scum because he does stupid trolly shit and then, when called out on it, tries to make up arguments for why it's pro-town. Honestly, I was shocked when I posted "sooo, why are you trying to out kp roles" and he responded with an actual srsbsns reason rather than just more trololol.

Intermission: Some Choice Quotes from Drazerk


lolwut


that's interesting... doesn't look that way to me.


Okay then let's do that!

(2) The Solarbeam. This is a pretty silly reason and you should think much more about the first part, but I think this one is still interesting enough to post. I think Drazerk actually is Venusaur, and he has charged up energy for his solar beam.

(2A) Think about it for a minute - why choose solarbeam as his fake dayvig thing on VE? It makes no sense - it's a two-turn move, and if present in this game it would definitely require a turn of charge-up in order to be able to fire later. Plus, there are much more appropriate moves to choose. Shadow and Flame was an unblockable day- or night- vig shot with one use. Fissure, Horn Drill and Guillotine are all more appropriate choices for this than solarbeam; so is hyper beam. And from the pregame, Drazerk obviously knows enough about pokemon to realize that solarbeam isn't the best choice for analogy.

(2B) Why does this make him scum? Well, it's the inconsistency. He tries to persuade us that outing KP roles is pro-town, while purposely charging his KP role in a way that keeps it secret. If he really believed in that "track the KP, track the scum" thing then he'd put his money where his mouth his, imo.

There's also the general scummy-scumscum stuff he posts, like his "I always look scummy so I need to be vigged" and his "I don't defend myself" and his whole little "anti-meta" thing. But the problem is, I don't think those are "alignment indicative" from him, since I've seen him do them before as town. They're just "being-a-terrible-player-indicative."

Oh and also ##vote: Drazerk

On August 21 2012 17:39 Dirkzor wrote:
Hey VE!? Why all of a sudden do you think people should vote me? You have made no mention of this earlier... Perfect time to take pressure off of yourself by adding another subject for scrutiny. A subject with already some focus from BC.

If you find me scummy post why! Don't throw a ball up in the air for some townie to catch and throw. Thats what scummy people do...

Same thing can be said about your Drazerk turn around. S&B added nothing new to the case but now its a good case whereas before is was bad?

Haha. Its the biggest cop-out ever. And I don't want to wait for you to show that you want to find scum. I want you to try and find scum now. And you haven't. Not just a little?

##Vote VE

On August 20 2012 08:28 Zephirdd wrote:
How about the "lynch whoever throws KP around randomly"?

Also I am a medic. Go figure.

On August 20 2012 13:04 Zephirdd wrote:
I like the idea of lynching grush because he's been somewhat terrible. But if you think about it the same could be applied to Kenpachi. Or Drazerk. Yet them being terrible always netted some scum in games. I'm not that much of a fan of policy lynching either... I mean, it worked quite well for VE, but it's always bad for the town on the game when you do it and he was just playing badly.

Besides, he claimed starsenses. That means he is town right?

On August 20 2012 22:06 Zephirdd wrote:
Hey I'm rereading!

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This is PTP. I got med. who knows what comes next. np I'm not VE; I am much cuter.

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Let me see if I got this right... you noticed the pokealliance is breadcrumbing the role PM and then you decide that it's likely that they are scum and therefore should be lynched...?

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I know you are banned, but I want to mention how stupid this is. Being so active this early IS a scum trait. It's the time of the day where there is the lowest amount of information and you can always justify whatever happened during this phase as "trolling" or "baiting". I've done that as scum before.

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Throughout what I've been reading, kitaman looks incredibly annoyed about the whole "coloring town blue" thing. I mean, it's in the OP as people mentioned, and being a PTP every town is blue. Anybody else thinks he got annoyed because he thought that would confirm them as town, and therefore make life a hell for scum?

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+ Show Spoiler [useless stuff for the game] +

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I've played with drazerk before. I understand what he means. Someone has to shoot him; not early because he is a cool scum bite, but late when we don't want him around lylo. That's how I see it. I'd say grush is pretty much the same. I don't remember Kenpachi ever flipping scum so I don't really care, but he always somehow dies sooner or later for some odd mechanical game-specific reason lol

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What does grush being banned has to do with anything? If you think he is scum you make a case against him.

And it's 42.

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Finally.


You were

And Toad, what did that do? Did it do anything at all? >_>

Oh Oh Oh is it like I suggested pregame? you use a random ability from any player in the game??? *___*

On August 21 2012 21:47 VisceraEyes wrote:
I can kill Zephirdd too, honestly. His filter consists mostly of setup speculation, but this doesn't bother me as his love of the Pokemans is well documented. What bothers me is this.



There are a couple of things he could be doing here: he's either a medic claiming in the worst first post in TL town history, he's a townie who is NOT a medic and is attempting to draw roleblocks/NKs, or he's scum attempting something really profoundly stupid. From a strategic viability standpoint, I certainly HOPE it's the second one, but from a realistic standpoint and given everything else he's done in the thread (read: nothing) I'm inclined to believe that he's actually scum. He's almost certainly not a town medic, and if he is I hope I'm never town with him again.



This is his next post with "content". In this post he literally sas "I like the idea of policy lynching grush, but I'm not that much of a fan of policy lynching". Literally. It's the very soul of wishy-washy scum posting.



The parts I bolded are Zephirdd literally just shoveling shit hoping something sticks.

I can get behind a Zephirdd lynch in addition to a Drazerk/Dirkzor lynch.

Now, to decide which scummy bastard gets my vote.

##Unvote

On August 21 2012 23:19 Dirkzor wrote:
After looking through it appears it was hopeless1der... I disagree with me hoping on your wagon. I actually decided not to vote you because 5 others had already voted 2 of which had done so with no reason at all. I just voices my opinion about the case and my (wrong) findings.

On August 21 2012 23:36 strongandbig wrote:


what the crap is this man...

Are you saying you're ragequitting like bugs did last game?

Or are you claiming your role has some kind of restriction or condition that makes you die somehow, like drazerk did in holy roman mafia?

seriously, what's with this post?

On August 21 2012 23:42 Dirkzor wrote:


I didn't vote because I wasn't convinced. Combine that with some people voting for him with no reason whatsoever made me hesitant. And I wasn't saving it for you... that came later.

On August 22 2012 00:34 Mattchew wrote:
VE what do you think of bugs and allinson

On August 22 2012 00:47 Dirkzor wrote:
VE you can't just deduce my sentence so they make the point you want. "...because 5 others had already voted 2 of which had done so with no reason at all." Was the sentence. That means "I didn't vote because 5 had already voted 2 of which had done so with no reason at all". NOT "Because 5 other had voted". Period.

I've never changed my stance about allinson. He appears scummy to me because of his meek and apologetic attitude. I wanted to see how that was in other games to find out how much weight I should put on this info. When he (still wrong) meta came of different the case had more merit. No place have I gone all out bananas calling him 100% scum and being my top target. I have just agreed that the points have merit and more such because of the (wrong) meta. This was however not enough for me to vote him and I didn't.
And yes 2 out of 5 people voting on him without reason had an influence and also the fact that the 5 votes on him came relativly fast after eachother. I wanted to see how it progressed without me adding my vote to the wagon.

On August 22 2012 02:55 Toadesstern wrote:

I consider this to be bullshit.
Therefore I consider you to be a rock-type.
Therefore I consider you to be mafia because you're not playing like a VET-role at all right now.

That's kind of my thought process right now.
Care to enlighten me why you're not more "in your face" as a rock until you got under suspicion?

On August 22 2012 03:44 Kurumi wrote:

A cool guy. Wannabe legend though. Afk

On August 22 2012 03:44 Mementoss wrote:
If you read Toad's posts I think its fairly obvious he's not Meowth. I only have a little while before I leave before deadline and am still unsure where to place my vote. I still am really uncomfortable with Mattchews play, but no one seems to care about his sheneningans. The only thing that doesn't make me think he is scum, is his scum meta from LIII was very aggressive.

On August 22 2012 05:53 strongandbig wrote:
ebwop that was @kurumi obvy

On August 22 2012 10:24 grush57 wrote:
Hey i got unbanned :D

On August 22 2012 10:32 grush57 wrote:
Idunno why people think I don't read the thread and just mindlessy troll T_T

On August 22 2012 14:03 Hopeless1der wrote:
Being legitimately active is going to go much further in changing people's opinions of me than trying to defend myself right now.

On August 23 2012 11:22 Zephirdd wrote:
VE, think about it. If a scum shot you knowing it wouldn't kill you, wouldn't that implicate me? There is a reason I thought meowth was town.

On August 24 2012 02:16 Kurumi wrote:

Wiggles scummy ? He seems the only person devoting his time to this game. Some guys dont have enough time , yadda yadda. Although his theory on the lynch sounds wrong... Well I think Dirk is scum based on one post... I did not vote him because of my doubts (his points about viscera were good) it is hard to reread the thread on the phone, eh.

On August 24 2012 02:30 grush57 wrote:
K so scum team:
Dirkzor
Wiggles
Toad
Chezinu
Biosc

If theres 5? It doesn't say in the op.

On August 25 2012 07:07 Mattchew wrote:
hey VE

why do you join games if you don't intend to play them?

What I mean is - one-liners aren't, strictly speaking, "playing" the game. They're like...active observing. It's getting really fucking old and I'd really like a reason to not vote you

On August 24 2012 02:36 grush57 wrote:


No, he seems to help now.
Also looking through the thread Wiggles disappeared after bc died.

On August 25 2012 06:42 grush57 wrote:


Vigis just have to shoot JingleHell, Mementoss and Biosc.