PTP3 - Pikachu's Revenge - Page 72

On June 12 2012 12:45 Mr. Wiggles wrote:


This doesn't do anything to point out that I'm scum. I'm town, so that's why I show up green to checks, if you believe I'm a GF, I can't argue against it except on behavioural and logical grounds. The thing is, what you think of me colors the check. If I turn up green, I'm a GF, if I turn up red, you'd just say I was scum (even though it means I'm framed).

Also the thing about the check is that it relies on the supposition that scum have a GF in the first place. There's absolutely no assurance of that. From what Grey has said, it seems like scum got a list of roles and got to distribute them themselves. So, the entirety of my check being wrong is based on the chance scum have a GF. Personally, I find it a lot more likely that scum got a role-cop, to counter the large amount of blues in the game, and it also helps explain how scum managed to snipe both BH and supersoft on Night 2. I find it pretty unlikely that that happened purely by chance, so it suggests to me that scum have a role cop.

Also, mafia haven't shot me because I've been under suspicion since Night 1, been relatively inactive, and because I'm a prime mislynch target as we move towards the end of the game. If I'm scum, town automatically loses in a late-game scenario where me and any hypothetical team-mates can just outvote the town and cause a no-lynch. Scum know this, and town know it, so everyone's going to be really skittish as we go to the end. The thing is though, in a lot of cases, we lose if we mislynch. So, scum aren't going to shoot me now, unless I somehow manage to convince everyone in the game I'm town beyond a shadow of a doubt. The problem is that probably won't happen, or scum will just keep trying to call me scum (See: Hyaach, Papapanda, Kenpachi), to try to get you to mislynch me so that they'll win. They're hoping town get so scared they'll just lynch me on the chance I could be scum, and then we lose.


This is a flat out lie. The only push for Zealos was made by about 4 people close to the deadline, and any support for Kitaman was scattered at best. You keep overstating the sentiment of people wanting to kill them, because you were the person pushing Kita, and you were pretty buddied with the people pushing zealos (Forumite and supersoft). Go back and read the thread though, that wasn't the general feeling. I clearly stated I would lynch Sinensis, and people supported it both in thread, and with their votes for me. If no one supported a sinensis lynch and they all wanted a zealos lynch they would have voted for forumite. You're confusing what the best lynch for the day was with who you wanted to lynch.

Also, I was already running for mayor. I had purposefully attracted attention to myself by running and then winning. As scum, why wouldn't I take the chance to kill off someone who could turn out to be a very strong town player before they had the chance to do anything? I would just have to weasel my way out of the lynch the next day. As town, I didn't want to just blow up a town vet because one person felt like it, or kill zealos with little discussion and no consensus when I'd already made my decision and stated it. Those would have both been rash and bad decisions.


Again, this is not factually correct. I didn't wait until the deadline to try to do something about the lynch, that's just when I got a chance to post that day. Yes, it was close to the deadline, and that made it less likely to work. However, if you look at the voting thread and the main thread at that time, there were definitely enough people around to change the vote.
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These were four people who all voted after I did. You also said you wanted to kill Maju, manason had his vote on him, and I voted him as well. There were also other people around who were posting, but didn't make votes as well. It took 8 to lynch that day, only counting our three votes and the people who voted in the voting thread, we would have had exactly 8 votes. So no, the maju lynch wasn't impossible to make happen, people just idiotically lynched manason by mistaking bad play for scummy play. The case on him was thin and basically came down to he was posting so badly he had to be scum. However, there's no way scum, especially in their first game, would say any of the things he was. The lynch was stupid, because it was just piling on to an easy target whereas maju was actually a player who had a scummy agenda and posting behaviour. Do you really think that no one in the entire game could possibly think manason was town unless they were scum and had extra knowledge? He was a bad lynch because he was an easy lynch, and his posting oozed that he was inexperienced and had no clue what he was doing.

I pointed that all out, but people were either to stubborn or deaf to listen. However, to say that the lynch couldn't have happened is a lie. There were more than enough people to get him lynched, but no one wanted to change their vote or vote with me.

Also, it wasn't a mafia agenda because I didn't try to take cred for it. I didn't make a post yelling at the whole town and calling them bad, or that I was the greatest because I was the only one who defended the townie, I did nothing after he was lynched but help kill Maju the next day. If I were scum, why wouldn't I try to capitalize that I just was the only person to defend the mislynch? In fact, I haven't disowned any of the things I've done in this game, and I haven't tried to take extra credit for any of the things I've done either. That's because I don't care about cred. People can judge me based on what I do, not on how much I can hype myself up for what I did right, or avoid responsibility for what I did wrong.

Wow, you really don't understand the point of campaigns, do you? I'm not being manipulative, I'm trying to convince people to vote for me. That's how elections work, and that's what campaigns are for. The entire purpose of that post was to establish myself as a candidate, and hopefully draw support to my candidacy. If you think that's manipulative in a malicious way, then we have pretty different conceptions of what malice is.

Also again, you're not even reading what's being written, and are just making things up. You even quoted yourself where I said how I'd lynch people.


Where in this does it say I'll lynch exactly how the town wants to lynch? All I said is that I'll give advance notice of who I want to kill, and that I'd like to discuss targets. How do you get that I'll just sheep the town's reads from that?

Also, you're contradicting yourself! You say here that I'm just going to sheep who the town wants to lynch, when I said no such thing, and then when you're talking about the Sinensis lynch, you said that I went against the town and lynched someone that according to you no one had a scum read on instead of zealos or kita who, again according to you, everyone thought was scum and wanted to kill. So, which one is it? Am I a sheep who just did what the town wanted on Day 1, or am I a scum rebel who killed someone useless and went against what everyone wanted to do?

Again, I haven't tried to shrug off responsibility. I still stand by lynching Sinensis. I'm not going to say it was a bad choice, because it wasn't. If you disagree, fine, but that's why you didn't vote for me. I never said that I lynched him because that's what people wanted me to do. In fact, I've said near the opposite. I lynched him because people agree with my choice and voted for me. I led the charge, and I was the one who in the end was responsible for pulling the trigger. I still think I made the right choice though, and it was my voters who supported me, not myself who sheeped them.

So, Toad's case is wrong. It's also not that great because it flat out refuses to look at what happened in the thread, and it's self-contradictory. I put a lot of effort into this defense, because a mislynch now will almost assure our loss, and I don't want that to happen. Hopefully I'll be able to get you to see that I'm not scum before you actually kill me.