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On August 21 2012 07:14 VisceraEyes wrote:
If there's no support for it, then I'll entertain the cases put forth. There isn't much more to say on the matter, and anyone who dwells on this should be put under scrutiny. It's a vote like any other vote, I've given my reasoning for it - it's up to you guys to convince me that your read on random player is better than my seething hatred for grush' playstyle. I can tell you without a doubt that attempting to bully me for it is not going to work.
Posted again because you apparently missed it Toad.
The case on Kurumi is that he's Kurumi. The case on Draz is inflated WIFOMY bullshit that consists mostly of setup speculation. The case on BC is...that he said the same thing as you? Last time I checked, agreeing with someone isn't a scumtell, so until he elaborates on his read of Dirk I'm reserving judgement on BC.
I'm not reluctant to talk about my thoughts, I just don't have many yet. If this doesn't satisfy you, then my sincerest of apologies. Hopefully my future contributions are up to your standards.
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I'm reading AND care Mattchew, care to elaborate on why you think otherwise?
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On August 21 2012 08:50 Mattchew wrote:Show nested quote +On August 21 2012 08:47 VisceraEyes wrote:
I'm reading AND care Mattchew, care to elaborate on why you think otherwise? cause you haven't sunk your teeth into a real candidate with reason yet, you haven't picked a fight, you also havent explained why you havent done the previously mentioned things. you usually do atleast 1 of these things as town
Yeah, this sounds like you as town too. The reason I haven't "sunk my teeth into a candidate" yet is because there are no real candidates for me to choose from. Draz is like the only one and I don't like the fact that a bandwagon built on the BS case SnB put forth. It's a shitty case and I don't like the smell of the bandwagon that formed from it...so I'm not supporting it presently.
My grush wagon could use some help though, if you're interested. It's guaranteed to rid the game of an anti-town poster and gosh, it might even net us a scum. What do ya say?
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Always. He never gives reasoning for his suspicions, it's like playing with a toddler. And not your toddler either. Like, your friends' friends' toddler who, when they bring him by, goes through your alphabetized movies and pulls all of them out of their place and stuff.
It's never a pleasant experience. The fact that he's tempbanned from the site does not speak in his favor on this front.
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On August 21 2012 09:06 Mattchew wrote:Show nested quote +On August 21 2012 08:54 VisceraEyes wrote:On August 21 2012 08:50 Mattchew wrote:On August 21 2012 08:47 VisceraEyes wrote:
I'm reading AND care Mattchew, care to elaborate on why you think otherwise? cause you haven't sunk your teeth into a real candidate with reason yet, you haven't picked a fight, you also havent explained why you havent done the previously mentioned things. you usually do atleast 1 of these things as town Yeah, this sounds like you as town too. The reason I haven't "sunk my teeth into a candidate" yet is because there are no real candidates for me to choose from. Draz is like the only one and I don't like the fact that a bandwagon built on the BS case SnB put forth. It's a shitty case and I don't like the smell of the bandwagon that formed from it...so I'm not supporting it presently. My grush wagon could use some help though, if you're interested. It's guaranteed to rid the game of an anti-town poster and gosh, it might even net us a scum. What do ya say? I'd like a more informed read to lynch off of and I agree that SnB's case is weak, but I still have a scum read on Draz. He is back peddling and clearly nervous while trying to act like he's been cool calm and collected the entire game. You also haven't voted a weak read early (to provoke reaction) and said my vote is my tool or w.e you say, so I wouldn't be completely against lynching you currently
You're not alone - but I strongly advise against it. I'm town and intend to show it soon enough.
But my vote IS a tool, that much has not changed. I'm just using it differently this game than you're used to seeing.
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That's not terrible reasoning at all BC.
Tell me what you think about Bumatlarge, BC...specifically his insistence that what I'm doing right now is anti-town, yet his reluctance to vote me.
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On August 21 2012 10:02 bumatlarge wrote:Show nested quote +On August 21 2012 09:58 VisceraEyes wrote:
That's not terrible reasoning at all BC.
Tell me what you think about Bumatlarge, BC...specifically his insistence that what I'm doing right now is anti-town, yet his reluctance to vote me. Sure ask him but not me. Sounds like you and grush have played together. You are voting with emotion, or feigning it. That's typically townie if it's genuine. Obviously if you are faking it just to throw your vote around uselessly, then you are scum. Enlighten me on what it was, and take your vote off grush.
Interesting, you ask me which one it was as if my answer on the matter means anything. Assuming I was scum, could I not just say "FUCK YEA IT WAS EMOTION GRRRZZZZZZ ANGER!!!"? Similarly, I could even say that I'm "feigning it" in an attempt to illuminate middling opinions such as yours as they arise.
But the fact of the matter is that it doesn't matter what I say is my reasoning, only what I can make you believe is my reasoning. So in response to your question, I have one of my own.
What did you hope to accomplish by asking me that question Bum?
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Then my response wouldn't be very "enlightening" would it?
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Something feels off about this game.
Why aren't more people jumping my shit for the policy lynch talk? I admit - it's a GREAT idea. But like...I expected fully to be insta-voted by at least 4 people.
Wiggles, where do you stand on a grush lynch? You put forth what I feel is a decent D1 case on the guy and do NOT punctuate it with a vote. And then accuse BC of...what, making generalized blanket statements designed to "appear pro-town", while you devolve into feeding the trolls? I am disappoint, son.
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@SnB
On August 20 2012 16:59 strongandbig wrote:Man, this thread is hilarious! A great way to start the morning!+ Show Spoiler [some of my favorites[/spoiler] +On August 20 2012 08:35 Mementoss wrote:Im assuming wherebugsgo can only be a bug-type, so lets list off gen 1 bug types: 010 Caterpie Bug 011 Metapod Bug 012 Butterfree Bug Flying 013 Weedle Bug Poison 014 Kakuna Bug Poison 015 Beedrill Bug Poison 046 Paras Bug Grass 047 Parasect Bug Grass 048 Venonat Bug Poison 049 Venomoth Bug Poison 123 Scyther Bug Flying Now the real question is where bug types go, pokealliance or team rocket. If my memory serves me right, team rocket never used any of these bug type pokemon in the show. Therefore, wherebugsgo is telling the truth. Flawless logic. hahaha On August 20 2012 09:02 grush57 wrote:See look at wiggles, he asks me a legit question. Plus, he continues my tradition  To answer the question, breadcrumb, and meta. Plus I'm town. Now, we must find scum. I must stop posting so scum can start posting and then we catch them. Cool trick. Is grush really dumb enough to only breadcrumb that he's town when he actually is town? Only time will tell. PS: The word "starsenses" is his breadcrumb that he's town. For example see Mad Men mafia (I think). It really is that dumb. On August 20 2012 09:20 grush57 wrote:
Come on man u come up with this new fancy term and theory and then u disprove it in the same post.
User was temp banned for this post. hahahaha On August 20 2012 13:51 Chezinu wrote:Show nested quote +On August 20 2012 09:08 Drazerk wrote:
Analysing how people join the thread is probably the most interesting part of the game Your right... Look what I discovered: They joined the game at the exact same time. The must be Mafia!Rocket peoples! hahahahah. Chezinu I'm glad you're in this game, I really enjoyed obsing you in Bureaucracy and hope for more of the same this time.
Now for a little bit of seriousness: I think Drazerk is scum. Two reasons, with subpoints: (1) The "trying to out KP roles" thing. Now, IDGAF whether or not it's a good idea for town - that's not the point right now. The point is, Drazerk was clearly just doing stuff for the sake of doing stuff. (1A) He hadn't thought through whether or not outing KP roles is a good idea for town or not before he started doing it; you can tell because his argument with me evolves over the course of the discussion, and he relies on the "kenpachi assumption" of balanced type distribution, but not until after Kenpachi suggested it - implying he hadn't originally been making that assumption. Additionally, he clearly assumes the existence of factional KP until later on. (1B) His method of trying to out KP roles sucks ass juice. Like, we know nothing more than we did previously about whether or not Toad has a KP role than we did before, all we know is that when Drazerk (fake?)claimed a KP role, toad (fake?)claimed a KP role right back. There's no way that his troll method gains reliable information, either as scum or as town. Drazerk is also smart enough to realize this.(1C) Okay, so what? Just doing stupid trolly shit doesn't make Drazerk town. As he himself has informed us, his town meta in this kind of heavily themed game is to do stupid trolly shit and not be useful to town. I've played enough of these games with him to recognize that. My argument isn't that he's scum because he does stupid trolly shit. He is scum because he does stupid trolly shit and then, when called out on it, tries to make up arguments for why it's pro-town. Honestly, I was shocked when I posted "sooo, why are you trying to out kp roles" and he responded with an actual srsbsns reason rather than just more trololol. Intermission: Some Choice Quotes from DrazerkShow nested quote +On August 20 2012 09:09 Drazerk wrote:On August 20 2012 09:07 grush57 wrote:
Anyways, no scum would be retarded enough to be this active early.
If anything they would be in a position asking the questions while not doing anything themselves like drazerk(or anyone else really)
However, the only way to prove your innocence is to catch scum.
U C? The key to winning on either side is thread presence This will never ever ever change. lolwut Show nested quote +On August 20 2012 10:28 Drazerk wrote:On August 20 2012 10:27 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On August 20 2012 10:23 Drazerk wrote:On August 20 2012 10:23 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On August 20 2012 10:17 Drazerk wrote:
I'm with wiggles there are super powers out there that prey on certain information being known (Steamship 4 shot sniper comes to mind)
So the following -
No pokemon names
No Type
No role information
No claiming medic to save scum
Anyone who does this will probably just be shot down or turned green Why do you keep stating obvious things -_- I have my reasons I hope they don't revolve around you using the argument later of "look at how helpful I was being, I clearly cannot be scum" because well, general advice to a group of players who at this point should all know the basics of playing clearly wouldn't need said advice. I never defend myself You should know this by now that's interesting... doesn't look that way to me. Show nested quote +On August 20 2012 09:08 Drazerk wrote:
I do love how 4/25 people enter the thread in the EXACT same way
Analysing how people join the thread is probably the most interesting part of the game Okay then let's do that! (2) The Solarbeam. This is a pretty silly reason and you should think much more about the first part, but I think this one is still interesting enough to post. I think Drazerk actually is Venusaur, and he has charged up energy for his solar beam. (2A) Think about it for a minute - why choose solarbeam as his fake dayvig thing on VE? It makes no sense - it's a two-turn move, and if present in this game it would definitely require a turn of charge-up in order to be able to fire later. Plus, there are much more appropriate moves to choose. Shadow and Flame was an unblockable day- or night- vig shot with one use. Fissure, Horn Drill and Guillotine are all more appropriate choices for this than solarbeam; so is hyper beam. And from the pregame, Drazerk obviously knows enough about pokemon to realize that solarbeam isn't the best choice for analogy.(2B) Why does this make him scum? Well, it's the inconsistency. He tries to persuade us that outing KP roles is pro-town, while purposely charging his KP role in a way that keeps it secret. If he really believed in that "track the KP, track the scum" thing then he'd put his money where his mouth his, imo. There's also the general scummy-scumscum stuff he posts, like his "I always look scummy so I need to be vigged" and his "I don't defend myself" and his whole little "anti-meta" thing. But the problem is, I don't think those are "alignment indicative" from him, since I've seen him do them before as town. They're just "being-a-terrible-player-indicative." Oh and also ##vote: Drazerk
Bolded/Italicized is what I was referring to as WIFOM and setup-speculation'y. Saying things like "he's smarter than this" and "why would he choose X" are useless because you can't prove what he's thinking or how smart he is.
That being said, your explanation the second time around sounds much better. I still don't like your "analysis" of which power he "should have chosen" but then I'm not super familiar with Pokemon so I'm not sure what the "optimal" day-vig power would be - and even if I did, it wouldn't help me find scum in ANY way. But your reasoning is sound and honestly I can get behind a lynch like that.
@Wiggles
I don't like where your vote is right now. I think it would be more useful elsewhere. Like Drazerk or Dirkzor. I can agree that the grush wagon isn't going anywhere, but I DISAGREE that my reasoning is a "cop-out" or that what I'm doing is "anti-town". I get that you think I don't care about finding scum, but I think you'll find that you're mistaken.
##Unvote
##Vote: Drazerk
I'd like to hear from Bugs what makes allin stand out from the pack of lurkers in this game, because honestly I get a "newbie town" feel from allin that makes me suspicious of his wagon. Bugs is the genesis of the wagon, so I'd like him to answer in particular, but anyone voting for him willing may answer.
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Oh yeah, we're all active and shit when we think VE is asleep.
-.-
Whatever, this place is dead anyway.
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On August 21 2012 17:39 Dirkzor wrote:Hey VE!? Why all of a sudden do you think people should vote me? You have made no mention of this earlier... Perfect time to take pressure off of yourself by adding another subject for scrutiny. A subject with already some focus from BC.
If you find me scummy post why! Don't throw a ball up in the air for some townie to catch and throw. Thats what scummy people do... Same thing can be said about your Drazerk turn around. S&B added nothing new to the case but now its a good case whereas before is was bad? Show nested quote +On August 21 2012 17:15 VisceraEyes wrote:
@Wiggles
I don't like where your vote is right now. I think it would be more useful elsewhere. Like Drazerk or Dirkzor. I can agree that the grush wagon isn't going anywhere, but I DISAGREE that my reasoning is a "cop-out" or that what I'm doing is "anti-town". I get that you think I don't care about finding scum, but I think you'll find that you're mistaken.
Haha. Its the biggest cop-out ever. And I don't want to wait for you to show that you want to find scum. I want you to try and find scum now. And you haven't. Not just a little? ##Vote VE
Hilariously, you're simply adding your vote to a preexisting wagon without adding anything new yourself as well.
At any rate, a VE lynch isn't happening today so I suggest you try and hide your vote elsewhere.
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But you didn't VOTE for me until others had, that's the point. I notice that you also mentioned that you looked into Bugs' allin case and that it was strengthened by your meta research, but you didn't add your vote to the tally. Why?
You're right - I'll find a better candidate for my vote.
##Unvote Drazerk
##Vote: Dirzor
Smooches, bro. Smooches.
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The fact that you mentioned suspicion of me but didn't vote for me until Wiggles/SnB had. You're just sheeping whoever SnB votes in an attempt to hide, and I see it as scummy misdirection. You call ME out for not scumhunting, when you yourself have done literally NO scumhunting this whole game.
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You haven't extended ANYONE's case. That would imply original content from you in some capacity.
But whatever, I'm not in the business of trying to convince scum that they're scum. Feel free to continue to "extend" more cases on your way to the gallows.
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"Because deep down you didn't agree with BC"
In spite of...you know...agreeing with BC.
Your logic is unbelievable.
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So should I go ahead and claim now? Or what...because typically when I reach this point it's pretty much GG for me.
Dirkzor is scum because he keeps sheeping you SnB, while trying to pass that off as contribution. He hasn't added anything of substance to the game, and while Bugs says that I've done nothing of significance, I'd argue that my attempt at policy-lynching grush counts as a significant thread action.
I agree with the case on Drazerk now that you've deWIFOM'd it - when I read it through the first time, it looked like I was reading a Pokemon card-creator's journal...it didn't look like a case at all. But I get what you were saying now and I agree that he looks scummy for it.
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Oh, also this slipped my mind...but Dirkzor in "researching meta" on allin referenced reading his performances in his latest mini and Mad Men to get an idea of his play. I'm not sure which Newbie Mini he's talking about because he doesn't say, and allinson wasn't even IN Mad Men, so really I'm not even sure why he even mentioned the allin case to begin with. He lied about doing meta research on it, which leads me to believe that he lied about even reading the case...the fact that he never voted for allin and opted to instead vote for me supports this.
Just on observation.
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I can kill Zephirdd too, honestly. His filter consists mostly of setup speculation, but this doesn't bother me as his love of the Pokemans is well documented. What bothers me is this.
On August 20 2012 08:28 Zephirdd wrote:
How about the "lynch whoever throws KP around randomly"?
Also I am a medic. Go figure.
There are a couple of things he could be doing here: he's either a medic claiming in the worst first post in TL town history, he's a townie who is NOT a medic and is attempting to draw roleblocks/NKs, or he's scum attempting something really profoundly stupid. From a strategic viability standpoint, I certainly HOPE it's the second one, but from a realistic standpoint and given everything else he's done in the thread (read: nothing) I'm inclined to believe that he's actually scum. He's almost certainly not a town medic, and if he is I hope I'm never town with him again.
On August 20 2012 13:04 Zephirdd wrote:
I like the idea of lynching grush because he's been somewhat terrible. But if you think about it the same could be applied to Kenpachi. Or Drazerk. Yet them being terrible always netted some scum in games. I'm not that much of a fan of policy lynching either... I mean, it worked quite well for VE, but it's always bad for the town on the game when you do it and he was just playing badly.
Besides, he claimed starsenses. That means he is town right?
This is his next post with "content". In this post he literally sas "I like the idea of policy lynching grush, but I'm not that much of a fan of policy lynching". Literally. It's the very soul of wishy-washy scum posting.
On August 20 2012 22:06 Zephirdd wrote:Hey I'm rereading!
Show nested quote +On August 20 2012 08:37 Mementoss wrote:On August 20 2012 08:28 Zephirdd wrote:
How about the "lynch whoever throws KP around randomly"?
Also I am a medic. Go figure. This is the worst role claim since VE every game I've played with him. This is PTP. I got med. who knows what comes next. np I'm not VE; I am much cuter.
Show nested quote +On August 20 2012 08:44 kitaman27 wrote:On August 20 2012 07:49 Kenpachi wrote:
hi guys im Kenpachi and im Town On August 20 2012 08:13 grush57 wrote:
Hey.
I'm town with blue. On August 20 2012 08:23 wherebugsgo wrote:
Hi all. I am town. Hey look, a bunch of individuals are clearly breadcrumbing the town role pm! How clever! But wait a minute, everyone knows this is against the rules.  So what are the odds that the mafia team also has the town role pm or happened to pick up on the crumb and has decided to use it gain town cred? Sneaky sneaky! Lynch bugs first? Let me see if I got this right... you noticed the pokealliance is breadcrumbing the role PM and then you decide that it's likely that they are scum and therefore should be lynched...?
Show nested quote +On August 20 2012 09:07 grush57 wrote:
Anyways, no scum would be retarded enough to be this active early.
If anything they would be in a position asking the questions while not doing anything themselves like drazerk(or anyone else really)
However, the only way to prove your innocence is to catch scum.
U C? I know you are banned, but I want to mention how stupid this is. Being so active this early IS a scum trait. It's the time of the day where there is the lowest amount of information and you can always justify whatever happened during this phase as "trolling" or "baiting". I've done that as scum before.
Throughout what I've been reading, kitaman looks incredibly annoyed about the whole "coloring town blue" thing. I mean, it's in the OP as people mentioned, and being a PTP every town is blue. Anybody else thinks he got annoyed because he thought that would confirm them as town, and therefore make life a hell for scum?
+ Show Spoiler [useless stuff for the game] +On August 20 2012 09:34 Kurumi wrote:Show nested quote +On August 20 2012 09:31 Zephirdd wrote:On August 20 2012 08:28 Kurumi wrote:On August 20 2012 08:26 Drazerk wrote:On August 20 2012 08:22 Kurumi wrote:On August 20 2012 08:21 Drazerk wrote:On August 20 2012 08:20 deconduo wrote:
Scum KP is hidden. Then scum only have the KP roles people made Pretty much all I'm gathering from this No that means Kp was balanced accordingly to the roles they got. That is so easy. I honestly prefer my line of reasoning to that. Static KP means players become more important to others and gives trackers / watchers to have more power Themed games are not an exception of "make setups fair" rule. That is just the usual cleaning hosts do. Role cops are the strongest roles out there pretty much , but given that you can make really strong roles I wouldnt be surprised if I have seen a Cop checking everything and so on . What if I told you you can create rolecop immune roles. Shut up you wannabe Zapdos , you are nothing but a common pidgeon with eggs Zephir with double d's, pfffff I now know the meaning of Zephyr. I never knew. I thought Zephirdd was a cool name. TT
I've played with drazerk before. I understand what he means. Someone has to shoot him; not early because he is a cool scum bite, but late when we don't want him around lylo. That's how I see it. I'd say grush is pretty much the same. I don't remember Kenpachi ever flipping scum so I don't really care, but he always somehow dies sooner or later for some odd mechanical game-specific reason lol
Show nested quote +On August 20 2012 13:09 BioSC wrote:On August 20 2012 12:48 Drazerk wrote:On August 20 2012 12:44 BioSC wrote:On August 20 2012 12:42 Drazerk wrote:On August 20 2012 12:32 BioSC wrote:
Well, it will stop me from accusing him of being scum I guess. Wait you haven't actually posted anything yet... It was more a reference to my last game with him. What would you like to talk about, darling? Top 3 scum targets IDK Man, with grush being banned, my whole world got turned upside down!thoughts on the 4/25 lol I'm entering the thread posts Strange, but not in and of itself a scumtell to me.What is the meaning to life? Bacon What does grush being banned has to do with anything? If you think he is scum you make a case against him. And it's 42.
Finally. Show nested quote +On August 20 2012 21:54 Drazerk wrote:On August 20 2012 21:52 Toadesstern wrote:
I was SO going to post it :p Something tells me you was trying to talk to the person who actually had metronome though... You wereAnd Toad, what did that do? Did it do anything at all? >_> Oh Oh Oh is it like I suggested pregame? you use a random ability from any player in the game??? *___*
The parts I bolded are Zephirdd literally just shoveling shit hoping something sticks.
I can get behind a Zephirdd lynch in addition to a Drazerk/Dirkzor lynch.
Now, to decide which scummy bastard gets my vote.
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