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Stand up to their totalitarian system!! | ||
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Bluelightz plan. ![[image loading]](http://deephousepage.com/smilies/respect.gif) | ||
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On August 06 2012 21:15 marvellosity wrote: the playerlist scares me a little! ![[image loading]](http://deephousepage.com/smilies/hidesbehindsofa.gif) ![[image loading]](http://deephousepage.com/smilies/spinning.gif) ![[image loading]](http://deephousepage.com/smilies/dueling.gif) ![[image loading]](http://deephousepage.com/smilies/2gunsfiring_v1.gif) | ||
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Also we need a last person. Comeon don't be shy! | ||
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Forumite hit spot on regarding double-lynches and represent my feelings to the letter. It's playing with fire and scum will make us burn ourselves if they can. Also from experience people get lazy in their accusations and pushes and the discussion will be far worse. Furthermore the longer the game goes the more it generally favors town. We shouldn't aim to shorten it. Especially in this setup where we have a medic. About using the tracker to claim for effect of innocent child. This will as you say only be valid in the early days before scum might try to counterclaim. While the benefit of this plan is that it will give us a confirmed town (or less likely trade for a mafia) which the mafia might not be able to straight of kill because of a doctor. (If they try we might even get some saves) I think the benefits of having an investigative role is better. But maybe it's just me assuming stuff. I'll try to think about this when I'm not exausted from work. | ||
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On August 08 2012 06:25 marvellosity wrote: I must be missing the bit where it says Tracker/Watcher don't see NK actions. where does it say that? It's in this post. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=358346#16 | ||
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On August 08 2012 06:21 ShiaoPi wrote: But stilll there is no need for him to claim. Just with his presence it would let our doc work much easier as scum cannot do too many RB's with his potential check. Do not see the need to lynch both claimers, just evaluate on the claims independently,I dislike both options , whether it is giving it a freepass or lynching. If the tracker claimes he'll be absorbing roleblocks untill he dies. | ||
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On August 08 2012 06:28 ShiaoPi wrote: @risk: It's more the general concept of Hiro to use a tracker claim as means of confirming town that I am against, not against claiming in general, but scum can easily counterclaim so it won't work that way. Scum most likely won't claim if he does it day 1 or 2. | ||
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On August 08 2012 08:28 Bluelightz wrote: Agh. Clarifying nao. Watcher tracks everything that visits his target, while tracker tracks role actions. Yes one person can both rb/kill in 1 night Okey, I'm still not sure but I'm starting to lean that if we have a tracker (which we probably don't have if we're lucky) he should claim. At first I thought hiros suggestion was dumb as crap but thinking about it more and including things that hiro probably didn't even realise I'm starting to feel this might be the best action. I think he should claim Day 3 or preferably during night 2. Just before the daypost. (He could put some effort into making sure he'll be around for that time) but otherwise day 3 will be fine. thoughts? | ||
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On August 08 2012 08:47 marvellosity wrote: I think postulating about a setup we only have 1/3 of the time with various unknown lynches/nightkills in the way is quite an unproductive use of thread space. Even in your post you say "for things without Hiro realises" without expanding upon them. Looks like crap designed to spam up the thread. Well let me explain further what I ment. When hiro first brought up the idea of using the tracker as an innocent child because tracking sucked in this setup, his idea was crap. When I gave it more thought and realising that doing this at a specific time gives us a mid-lategame confirmed townie and a high chance to stop a kp with a medic the idea started to look good. However the idea he explained to us was crap, so no matter where this leads hiro should still be held accountable for proposing a shitty plan. Last night was a good time to discuss these things marv. You claim I was spamming up the thread when what I was doing was discussiong ideas. Which is infinitly close to scumhunting then what you have been doing. Which is nothing. Prplhz also have done nothing. Glad to see we got some scumhunting going. I'll be on later and join the fray. | ||
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##Vote: prplhz Worth to note - Mordanis votes for a a new lynch candidate a couple of hours before the deadline and then says he will go to bed. If he honestly thinks he can get someone lynched on that short notice without staying in the thread absolutely screaming and arguing then I'm a horse. So what I can make of that is Mordanis pretty much doesn't care who dies. | ||
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##vote: prplhz | ||
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I like that. ##unvote: prplhz ##vote: Custos Luna | ||
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Posting to let you know what I'm doing and to let you know I am here. | ||
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![[image loading]](http://memeorama.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/02/i-dont-care-gif.gif) I rarely play mafia for glory or to boost my ego as the worlds greatest detective. I play this in my own tempo with my own notes because I enjoy it. Free advice: If you got time to sit here and whine you got time to analyse the voteswitch. | ||
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This is not my big shit which is currently put on ice because I'm starting to feel like it's overkill in this game so I couldn't be motivated to work with it as it was quite time consuming. | ||
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Analysis of the day 1 lynch & the voteswitch So this is basicly two different stories but I'd like to start with the voteswitch because that's what I said I would do and because that's what I feel like doing. I'd like to direct everyone here clicky We're about to lynch a scum, but what happens? These are some of my points of interests. sciberia reinfoces his case on Forumite Mordanis throws down a very bad case on a new candidate. HiroPro voteswitches prplhz shows up to defend himself Shiaopi voteswitches prplhz attacks Forumite *Custos Lunas morning evalutation Votecount 5-5, 1-1 (back to this later) And well just read everything after this because it would be easier to say which posts between this and the flip not to bother reading. I'm going to talk about Custos Luna and his actions during the voteswitch now. + Show Spoiler + On August 09 2012 22:10 Custos Luna wrote: Ok, my morning evaluation: prplhz: I do not feel that the prplhz wagon has that much merit. He had a few poor posts early, but in the whole, he has responded fairly well to the case against him. He has defended himself logically and presented a counter argument against Forumite. In my experience, the D1 lurker lynch is almost always inaccurate. The prplhz wagon started because it was easy. The easy way isn't always the right way. I'm glad people are starting to reconsider the vote on prpl for this reason. That's not to say I think he's town, I just think he is less likely to be scum than others at this point. Forumite: I can see a scenario with Forumite flipping scum. He has been flip floppy all game, and people have pointed out his contradictions. However, he's still not the scummiest in my eyes. Mordanis: Am I really the only one who sees the COMPLETELY blatant lack of commitment from Mord all game? -First Half D1: Very fluffy posts with the promise to start scumhunting. -Second Half D1: Still more fluff. Makes a long post and FoSs shipoopi (still no commitment). He does not cast a vote until very late D1 (sleepy time in my time zone). His vote is on marvel. I would normally have no issue with this if it were at a reasonable time. However, this is crunch time. A lynch on marvel isn't on the table at this point. He makes a case and commitment on something that more than likely will not happen. Mord's posts are long and filled with nothing. He talks a lot but doesn't say anything. His posts are difficult to follow, and a lack of transparency hurts town. He avoids commitment to a case as much as he can. I'm sticking with my gut on this one. Mordanis is scum First he tries to defend prplhz using logical reasoning. That prplhz has defended himself logicly and that he have presented a counterargument against forumite. The first one of these two are false. prplhz did not defend himself logicly. You can find the post above. Prplhz [b]questions our votes. He does not defend himself and yes there is a difference. Defending yourself is when you argument against your opponants reasoning. Example: Saying -I'm not scum because of reason X or -You are misunderstanding me, what I really ment is sentence Y prplhz goes through a quick [quote]&[comment] spree where he questions our votes but still manages to miss the point entirely on as good as all of them. We're accusing him for beeing scum because of his scum meta and he is trying to twist the light into us accusing him for beeing lurky and trying to play the vicitim of a bandwagon. These [quote]&[comment] roundups are very easy to make, look very good. But it's not actually defense if you twist the voters reasoning and don't argue against it. I feel Custos Luna beeing a claimed Vet should have seen this. Instead CL makes it sound as prplhz actually have defended himself and since he have defended himself logically he gets some townpoints. All a fake mask hidden beneth well chosen typing. ((I have some issues with the coding not getting it work properly, bare with it.)) As for the counterargument. I suggest you look through prplhz filter yourselves. This is what I think it looks like. Cheap shots. Once more it's just some nice words covering up the truth. Custos Luna is trying to persuade people to get off prplhz and he is using a decitfull way to do it because typing Prplhz counterargumented and defended himself sounds better then Prplzh twisted the light of his accusers accusations and took some cheap shots at the only other person that might get lynched instead of him in a chance to make himself look better by pushing someone else down. It makes all the difference when someone says He did this when he actually did something else even if they look simmilar on a quick look because it twists an event and changes the situation. It's very scummy behavior. I'll continue here because I don't like to make to long spoilers and to make sure you read everything. Mordanis: Why does he bring up Mordanis. What Custos Luna says about Mordanis is true. But why does he bring it up now? I can't see a town-agenda in bringing up another suspect just before the lynch. Especially when he's been treading so carefully and beeing OH SO CAREFULL and explained to us how doubtfull he feels about the lynch candidates. So now he brings up a new candidate who'll have absolutely zero chance of beeing lynched. (And if he actually was lynched it would had been even worse because voteswitches to new targets are almost always a bad idea for town) Custos Luna knows this. However from a scum perspective it makes perfect sense because in a sitaution where Mord is town and Luna scum bringing Mord up both distracts the thread and begins to shift attention to Mord where he begins to get set up for a mislynch because scum doesn't care when they bring up their mis-lynch candidates. They just want to put them under the floodlight and hide in the shadows themselves. because of coding issues, where I have absolutely no idea where the fault is I'll end this post soon since I can't use any spoilers/quotes/bold/underlined without fucking shit up. But I need to say atleast one more thing about Luna first. The most significant part which is easiest revieved yourselves. Go to Custos Lunas filter or just read the posts in pages during the voteswitch. Look how CAREFULL Custos Luna is. He is so afraid of putting down an opinion and constantly reminding us how insecure he feels and how he doubts this-and-that and is worried this-is-so. He is so defensive for himself and already before Forumite has been lynched he sets up his defense for the mislynch (which he continues to play out in his post after the flip) Custos Luna is playing with a scum agenda. We need to kill him. Sorry that the last part is unorganised. Bloody coding. DoYouHas and Keirathi are very likely town. | ||
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Then Keirathi who's a mad tunneling dumbass ignores not only my case but every other case in the thread and says. Hey nuke didn't mention scriberia in his post. That's probably because he knew he was going to die. Which is wifom at it's best or more likely a coincidence. Or even more fucking likely a misunderstanding because the reason I didn't tell the thread scriberia was town was because I wasn't sure he was. He had done some good stuff and had some good play but it was not indicitve of his alignment (something that you dumb shits clearly don't understand) it could just have been good play regardless of his alignment. Whilst DYH and Keirathi had several points I thought highly unlikely that scum would do. I also thought about including Mordanis but I didn't do that either because his read was based on the assumption that my other reads were right. And then DYH says oh that's a good point. I'm going to agree on your weak shit-wifom-1-liner case. that's far more suspicious then any other case right now. Just like eyecolor, lets ignore any cases tomorrow aswell and we can just lynch someone with green eyes next. On August 15 2012 13:54 Custos Luna wrote: Oh I haven't voted yet? Thought I had a vote on Mord O_o Usually when I see people rage like risk, they turn out to be scum...I'll sleep on it and figure out my vote in the morning. It will probably go on risk barring anything huge Yes. didn't you have earlier scumreads? I see they are forgotten when you can easiliy jump on me. You know the three names you thought were scum... a while ago... the ones you haven't even mentioned... or compared me to. Say which one of them did I replace. Which was your strongest scumread of the three and are I a stronger scumread then him because I must be right, since you don't push for him. Just make sure to fucking kill Custos Luna when I flipped. Or you know, you could lynch someone for having his shoes untied or something... I don't care. | ||
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On August 16 2012 00:07 Blazinghand wrote: "Go choke on a pig tail," replied risk.nuke pissed as I was this made me laugh. good luck town. | ||
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I thought CL + Shia was the scumteam. If Shia flipped town: CL + Sloosh If CL flipped town: Shia + DYH I was pretty sure scum was controlling the town. It seemed the most plausible scenario since the town was handling situations like idiots. I was pretty shocked when it turned out to be the two lurkers. | ||
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