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On August 05 2012 05:48 strongandbig wrote:Show nested quote +On August 05 2012 05:38 slOosh wrote:On August 05 2012 05:36 strongandbig wrote:On August 05 2012 04:57 slOosh wrote:On August 05 2012 04:53 strongandbig wrote:On August 05 2012 04:33 wherebugsgo wrote:
Also the people who think I willingly brought attention to myself are funny. I didn't fully think of the repercussions when I outted the masons in terms of thread presence but I also didn't account for the fact that many people who have different opinions will consider opposing viewpoints as scummy (because they are incapable of understanding that different does not mean scum) if you're town then your play this game has been fucking terrible. i guess maybe you have irl shit but that's really the only explanation i could accept for why you've been playing the way you have instead of how you normally play. like, i usually have a lot of respect for how you play but if you're town this game you're being both stupid and an asshole, and i don't feel like sitting here and taking your shit. He got pissed off and it resulted in some unwanted behavior. Move on - do you have any objections to a talismania lynch? forgot to answer this. My objection to a talismania lynch is that it's not a wbg lynch. I don't understand why his recent behavior makes people think he's town. I don't see how it's alignment indicative. Read his PM log with Erandorr. Try to approach it from a "what is scum WBG trying to accomplish with his actions" rather than a "is WBG playing as well as what I envision a town WBG would play like". Just finished reading it. So you're thinking about this wrong. wbg's play isn't accomplishing objectives when he gets into this fight with errandor and starts raging everywhere. As I've said before, I think that scum wbg would be just as upset at the prospect of getting lynched for what he sees as shitty reasons as town wbg would. What I see in that pm log is just what wbg said it was - no serious attempt to persuade, except to persuade erandor that he's stupid. So no, I don't see that chat log as alignment indicative, I see it as "wbg being in a really bad mood for some out of game reason" indicative. Look at his play before the fight between him and erandorr, that's where we have things that are actually valid to analyze.
Could you guys also please look at the "fight" where i try really hard to actually do stuff and he insults me about 100 times.
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On August 05 2012 06:24 talismania wrote:
haven't read pg 31 yet but wanted to interject something quickly
I haven't heard a response from BC yet but if WBG keeps his vote on himself I don't see why anyone else should vote for him. He will be modkilled and maybe worse for breaking the rules of the game, so there's no point to vote for him if he's not going to change his mind.
In fact, WBG you might as well just quit the game if that's how you feel. Getting yourself lynched/modkilled wastes town's time, and if you want to help town by removing yourself as a distraction, then quit and town get get on with lynching me or prp or whatever.
bet you a 5er he wont do it.
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On August 05 2012 06:35 slOosh wrote:Show nested quote +On August 05 2012 06:18 Erandorr wrote:On August 05 2012 05:48 strongandbig wrote:On August 05 2012 05:38 slOosh wrote:On August 05 2012 05:36 strongandbig wrote:On August 05 2012 04:57 slOosh wrote:On August 05 2012 04:53 strongandbig wrote:On August 05 2012 04:33 wherebugsgo wrote:
Also the people who think I willingly brought attention to myself are funny. I didn't fully think of the repercussions when I outted the masons in terms of thread presence but I also didn't account for the fact that many people who have different opinions will consider opposing viewpoints as scummy (because they are incapable of understanding that different does not mean scum) if you're town then your play this game has been fucking terrible. i guess maybe you have irl shit but that's really the only explanation i could accept for why you've been playing the way you have instead of how you normally play. like, i usually have a lot of respect for how you play but if you're town this game you're being both stupid and an asshole, and i don't feel like sitting here and taking your shit. He got pissed off and it resulted in some unwanted behavior. Move on - do you have any objections to a talismania lynch? forgot to answer this. My objection to a talismania lynch is that it's not a wbg lynch. I don't understand why his recent behavior makes people think he's town. I don't see how it's alignment indicative. Read his PM log with Erandorr. Try to approach it from a "what is scum WBG trying to accomplish with his actions" rather than a "is WBG playing as well as what I envision a town WBG would play like". Just finished reading it. So you're thinking about this wrong. wbg's play isn't accomplishing objectives when he gets into this fight with errandor and starts raging everywhere. As I've said before, I think that scum wbg would be just as upset at the prospect of getting lynched for what he sees as shitty reasons as town wbg would. What I see in that pm log is just what wbg said it was - no serious attempt to persuade, except to persuade erandor that he's stupid. So no, I don't see that chat log as alignment indicative, I see it as "wbg being in a really bad mood for some out of game reason" indicative. Look at his play before the fight between him and erandorr, that's where we have things that are actually valid to analyze. Could you guys also please look at the "fight" where i try really hard to actually do stuff and he insults me about 100 times. It goes back to "why would scum WBG do what he did?" Because you say that outing masons is completely anti-town and disagree with what he did. However, this isn't absolute truth as logic is, it is a camp of thought, something like "masons are valuable town resources and should be treated with same respect / care as other traditional blues". His camp of thought is "outing masons is better as a reasonable way to confirm the alignment of the mason, hinder scum use of masons and force them to make subpar shots". The issue is how valuable do you think a mason is. More than a cop? Less than a medic? There isn't a clearcut answer, and trying to come to a consensus inside a game is futile and unproductive. He outted 2 masons without asking them because asking beforehand defeats the whole purpose. Through it we now have varying degrees of town-reads on you and VE. That's a town motive - get more accurate reads on town. You can dispute how it wasn't worth outting a blue, but first you would have to convince everyone that what he did was egregious and utmost scummy, and then you would have to convince us that WBG knew this and chose the "inferior" path and therefore what he did was scummy. Because I think what he did was fine. Am I supporting a scummy thought? I don't think so. It's just different. Several of us (me, Toad, VE) have moved on with varying opinions on WBG. I ask you to do the same. Consider prplhz and talismania. If you still think WBG is scum that's fine, but let's focus as a town and get some discussion on prplhz and talismania, because regardless of today's lynch they are serious contenders for d2 lynch.
yeah prplhz deserves to be hammered as well, but it still amazes me that you would reduce the entire case on bugs on the mason thing. I think strongandbigs points were the strongest, to be frank, he found some really good quotes and made some very good points on wbg. Which is funny, because if you read what wbg is writing, he is reducing almost everything that has been written as me tunneling him and I am completely terrible and tunnel him every game*(which is a lie btw. In the Pms he even lied straight to my face and said I called him scum in mini mafia X (where he was scum) when I actually did not consider him. Look at the logs and that game,he is blatantly lying about that) . And it is working.
I will keep my vote on WBG unless someone other than him or Prplhz would get lynched, in which case I will move to prpl. No one else though and I would rather see WBG dead than prplhz
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I really still think Erandorr is the best read.
He starts with this gem, voting on Bugs for no reason at all. Maybe I'm crazy, but I'm not a fan of votes for literally no reason, as they don't create functional discussion, and could cause trouble, or be used as cover later.
On August 03 2012 11:37 Erandorr wrote:
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lets start this game right
## VOTE: WBG
Its a joke I make in quite a few games I play with WBG. Feel free to check, I won't do it for you.
Most of page 2 of his filter is nonsensical babble or ad homs.
He masons onto WBG after WBG outs VE, as "proof" WBG is outing masons. Or maybe to get himself confirmed as a role in hopes he gets some BOTD.
He throws out personal attacks against anyone who disagrees with him repeatedly, an example:
On August 03 2012 23:58 Erandorr wrote:
Yo you guys. You actually don't use "reason" or "arguments" you just sit there and talk shit. If you disagree with me, point out mistakes you think I made instead of shitting out terrible posts
What I am posting below is the post I was referring to. Would you not agree that my outburst was warranted, considering this example? Is there any way you would call that post below anything else that "shit" or "terrible" ?
Show nested quote +On August 03 2012 23:53 Erandorr wrote:
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I wanted to see if he did it again, considering I know my alignment. Its a completely anti town move . Give me one reason why not to hammer wbg right now please. oh oh oh I know why not hammer him right now! Deadline is on saturday. No one is lynched until then. You can't hammer someone right now
Epic defense against Hier.
On August 04 2012 08:23 Erandorr wrote:
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Dear god I hope you are trolling
Did you read Hiers case? Do you agree with the points he made? Because that one is so terrible I honestly didnt even think I would have to reply to that one.
Which blithely ignores certain parts of the log, like
ME: its about you playing like complete dogshit
ME: you are playing like shit
ME: your logic is really bad
[04.08.12 13:03:32] ME: the one where you got killed
[04.08.12 13:03:42] ME: cause you fucked up as scum?
[04.08.12 13:03:57] ME: okay sry i just thought that was funny
Those are some brilliant examples of attempting productivity, and keeping it calm.
I assume you have read the entire log. Did you notice that he insulted me about 100 times before that? And the one time I get so upset as to say what I do in the quote I INSTANTLY APOLOGIZE?
I mean seriously, this shit here borders on malicious.
Now would you mind telling us why you have not said a single word about the WBG case? What are your thoughts on him? It is a bit strange to not mention something that has been talked about for like 20 pages.
Would you also mind telling us what you think about talismania? You already gave the 1 line that were your thoughts about prplhz, so I don't have to ask that as well!
I have answered every point of your case against me, if there is something that you are still not convinced about , please let me know. Now how about you start talking about people who may actually get lynched today 
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Oh ninja. That was for Jingle, I would still like you to answer. You must have some thought on WBG at least, right?
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On August 05 2012 07:28 strongandbig wrote:Show nested quote +On August 05 2012 07:26 talismania wrote:
Jingle I think you're town and all but why does a scum mason mason some guy who just outed another mason? Why does scum erandorr do that? why does town erandorr do it? it's bad play either way imo.
I actually kind of agree. Probably should not have done that , but considering the results I can't be unhappy.
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On August 05 2012 09:11 BroodKingEXE wrote:
I have a problem with the top two lynch candidates.
WBG: calling out the mason was a good move in my book. But it doesn't make shit sense from the scum POV, scum can kill him regardless of whether or not the town knows the mason. His feud with Eran seems to be long standing and I could believe bugs could get frustrated and rage.
prplphz: Although his play has been poor I agree with his initial case against Glasse. Glasse's play was poor and lynch worthy at the time. Furthermore this lynch seems too much like a wagon on an inactive.
I feel much more comfortable lynching Eran. Seems like he could be mason scum manipulating bugs, looking to create trouble. He said himself he wanted to create a scumhunting environment, yet he helps initiate a shitstorm in a mason PM.
are you. fucking . serious.
When someone else opens your pm conversation with "ur bad never play a game of mafia ever again "
Then how exactly am I initiating a shitstorm. Since no one except Wbg or Prplhz will get lynched, I will keep my vote on bugs. Also make some effort reading that thing before posting something like that.
I am completely fine discussing actual facts, but this feels like I am up against fox news or something. Fuck facts when you can make random statements look like the truth amirite?
Broodking. Is that your best case? No this is not an OMGUS, you refute big cases on 2 players without even adressing the points of why people think they are scum. Then you call out me for that? "I look like I could be a scum mason manipulating bugs" and follow up with something that is completely wrong.
I mean.. seriously?
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On August 05 2012 10:41 BroodKingEXE wrote:Show nested quote +On August 03 2012 11:37 Erandorr wrote:On August 03 2012 11:32 wherebugsgo wrote:
I'm town.
for that matter I'm Roger fucking Sterling, so suck my dick. lets start this game right ## VOTE: WBG Show nested quote +On August 03 2012 11:41 Erandorr wrote:On August 03 2012 11:39 JingleHell wrote:On August 03 2012 11:37 Erandorr wrote:On August 03 2012 11:32 wherebugsgo wrote:
I'm town.
for that matter I'm Roger fucking Sterling, so suck my dick. lets start this game right ## VOTE: WBG We don't even have much discussion yet, but you still ignored it. Why? I am just used to wbg being dead all the time in dota and dont wanna adjust You seemed pretty set on starting a shitstorm in the beggining. I dont believe you masoned WBG to help the town figure out if he was scum, because you PM'ed after the vote. Which means you masoning had no town intent whatsoever. WBGs desicion to out masons doesnt make sense from scum POV, because Mafia can commuinicate out of thread. Worst case scenario he undermined town consensus. Prphlz's three points had merit. Glasses first post was strange even for TL's standards, second post is noncommital, and the third sounded more like a doubt plant. Other than that prphlz's was AFK, so I wasn't going to get behind a lynch where the canidate cant defend himself. What more should I say?
Yes. We play dota together. What may that mean. That we actually talk to each other outside of the game. We had no personal problems at all before and played like 5 games in a row together a week ago. We won all of them bar one so there was no frustration. So what could that mean ? THAT THAT WAS FRIENDLY BANTER AT THAT POINT? Why yes, I do believe so.
.So thats completely wrong and bad.
WBGs desicion to out masons doesnt make sense from scum POV, because Mafia can commuinicate out of thread. Worst case scenario he undermined town consensus.
I was staring at this, trying to understand what you are saying. Do you, by this, mean that he can tell his scumbuddies who the masons are and doesn't have to do it in the thread? And thats your entire explanation of the situation?
Explain please how "Prplhz's three points had merit" if you would not mind.
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On August 06 2012 03:07 VisceraEyes wrote:
1) I'll post my logs before dawn. I never Skyped, only TL PM'ed, so it won't be a huge eyesore or anything.
2) You're also used to reading games of me getting lynched D1 and D2 for retarded claims and shitty play. I'm trying to tone it down. Evidence of this can be seen in Beururuauruuracracy Mafia, D1 of NMM, etc etc. I'm playing differently - restrained. I can assure you though, I'm reading and have thought.
Any reason not to do it now?
Any at all?
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On August 06 2012 07:29 Lazermonkey wrote:Show nested quote +On August 06 2012 07:18 CountDropula wrote:On August 06 2012 06:13 Lazermonkey wrote:On August 06 2012 05:56 CountDropula wrote:On August 06 2012 05:37 Lazermonkey wrote:
Okay, kinda changed my mind and I'm actually starting to like the kill-grush plan. It's impossible to get a read in him anyway if he is going to play like this. Also, a big bonus is that WBG should be somewhat confirmed town if he flips scum.
As for Dropula, his only defense against all of my suspicion was that he was inexperienced and that it was all a mistake. This can be explained in 2 ways.
1. He is inexperienced.
2. He is scum.
If he is town he will most likely be left by scum unless he improves his play by an miraculously amount. If he is scum... Then he is scum.
For all Vigis, I hope you shot these guys tonight, as lynching them tomorrow will not really generate any discussion if they keep on playing like they've done so far.
Which explanation do you like best? Inexperience or scum? Lolwut. Well, since I want to lynch you I'd much rather prefer you to be scum : ). You aren't helping town at all atm. If the only defense you have is the noob card then you must die. Preferably sooner than later. Unless you do some actual scum hunting, which it doesn't look like you are trying to. If you do not get shot tonight you will have 48 hours to convince me and everyone else why you shouldn't be the one to be lynched * hint * make some analysis * hint *. U mad? U scum?
On August 06 2012 07:37 CountDropula wrote:
Oh ok. Ur mad. Thanks.
:D:D:D:D
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Weird night. Not at all what I was expecting, actually. But let's see if people claim hits or not.
Hey VE, would you mind answering a couple of questions?
I was leaning town on you agai, but this post really confuses me.
Why would he mason Bugs after Bugs just outted me as a mason?
It's as simple as that. The answer to that question is simple: because he had reacted in one way, wherebugsgo would certainly out Errandor as mason in the same manner he outted me. I believe he did it as a vehicle to discredit wherebugsgo when he outted him as mason by decrying his "antitown behavior".
I actually forgot the most important part about it, rereading my explanation, because it seemed so obvious. I mason'd WBG because I wanted to talk to him in private. I did not understand his move to out you as a mason at all. It still is terrible , I maintain that. I really doubted he would do it again, because it didn't make any sense at all to do it.
Now. You tell me that I am the beginning of the chaos. Did you not say that you disagree with his move to out masons? So isn't it natural for me to actually ask questions in the thread?
Also, this does not reaaally make that much sense if I am scum. Look at the amout of attention and spotlight I have gotten from this.
You seem to think WBG is town, correct? And WBG as town is usually pretty decent, not this terrible raging mess we have seen this game.
So why on earth would I mason one of the strongest town players in the game, to call him scum? Do you honestly think any Scum would have the balls to do that? And actually push for his lynch no matter what? I am not tunneling some random lurking noob with 2 posts per day, I am activly going against a proven Vet. What Scum player would do that?
I feel the fact that he's trying to appeal to everyone's emotions is indicative of the strength of his argument against wherebugsgo...he wants town to sympathize with him rather than think about the situation logically. It's scummy deflection.
Where do I do that? Not even one example, just a blanket statement?
What about this ?
+ Show Spoiler +Show nested quote +On August 03 2012 23:47 Erandorr wrote:On August 03 2012 23:31 prplhz wrote:
Why don't you like wherebugsgo? I feel like im going insane here. WBG outed VE as a mason. Assuming he is town there is absolutely no reason to do that. ever. Read through WBGs explanation to me. Its a big pile of shit 1. Being a mason isn't alignment indicative (therefore outting a mason is rather worthless)
2. The playerbase of this game will not understand stuff unless it's obviously stated.
3. If we are both town then mafia will strongly consider shooting one of us. Which means that we will make good protects. Which means that it potentially forces mafia to shoot suboptimally.
Look at point 1. He says that masons are not alignment indicative, but at the same time forgets to mention that if VE were town, he just gave scum a free rolecheck on one of the important players. and at point 3 If they are both town and would actually play like town, they will shoot them anyways. And if they play well they can still ask for protection and point to their pro town play. Outing masons this early is not part of that. its anti town. Look at that point 3 and tell me how that makes any sense at all. And now answer my question. Why on earth are you defending someone who has not done anything positive at all this game. I would really like to know.
or this ?
+ Show Spoiler +On August 04 2012 01:08 Erandorr wrote:Show nested quote +On August 04 2012 00:20 wherebugsgo wrote:
Gotta love 8:30 vision appointments.
For anyone who doesn't know, from my perspective Erandor and VE share two important traits:
One, they both call me scum in every game without fail regardless of their own alignments.
Two, they're both awful as town.
Right now I lean toward Erandor being terrible, since I don't think as scum he'd stop being lazy long enough to form a coherent sentence.
Okay guys. Lets try this again.
First of all I would like you to look at wbgs filter. just for fun. And then explain why most of you seem to think he is town. Point out every pro town thing wbg has done this game.
Then just for a fucking second PLEASE, look at his move to out 2 masons and think of a pro town reason to do that
Now look at this post.
The first thing I would like to point out is that WBG is lying. I don't call him Scum every game. Funny thing with WBG actually , I only call him scum in earnest when he is.. ya know.. scum.
Also notice that he apparantly thinks I am so bad that I am not Scum, but town. He is discrediting everything I say without even answering it. And no, I am absolutely not mad about it , because this is a very typical way for bugs to play scum.
Now WBG, would you please just to enlighten the thread if not me, explain how outing 2 masons is a pro town move? I am really looking forward to that one!
Hmm , what about this ?
+ Show Spoiler +Yes. Thank you Strongandbig.
I would like to expand a bit on what you have been saying.
Gotta love 8:30 vision appointments.
For anyone who doesn't know, from my perspective Erandor and VE share two important traits:
One, they both call me scum in every game without fail regardless of their own alignments.
Two, they're both awful as town.
Right now I lean toward Erandor being terrible, since I don't think as scum he'd stop being lazy long enough to form a coherent sentence.
Everyone look at what WBG is doing in this post.Now think about this post and try to see town motivation.
As I stated before, I don't call him Scum every game. It just happens that we basicly never had the same alignment before. So when I call him Scum, he usually is Scum.
The important part : WBG is not discrediting the arguments, he is trying to discredit the players.
That is not something a good town player should ever do without being really frustrated. And there really was no reason for him to be this hyper agressive this early on. Unless he was scum and wanted to create a terrible atmosphere.
Look at everything I have posted , look at what StrongandBig and Toad added. And then do the right thing and help us kill Scum.
This cant be what you mean either.
+ Show Spoiler +On August 05 2012 06:35 slOosh wrote:
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It goes back to "why would scum WBG do what he did?" Because you say that outing masons is completely anti-town and disagree with what he did. However, this isn't absolute truth as logic is, it is a camp of thought, something like "masons are valuable town resources and should be treated with same respect / care as other traditional blues". His camp of thought is "outing masons is better as a reasonable way to confirm the alignment of the mason, hinder scum use of masons and force them to make subpar shots".
The issue is how valuable do you think a mason is. More than a cop? Less than a medic? There isn't a clearcut answer, and trying to come to a consensus inside a game is futile and unproductive. He outted 2 masons without asking them because asking beforehand defeats the whole purpose. Through it we now have varying degrees of town-reads on you and VE. That's a town motive - get more accurate reads on town. You can dispute how it wasn't worth outting a blue, but first you would have to convince everyone that what he did was egregious and utmost scummy, and then you would have to convince us that WBG knew this and chose the "inferior" path and therefore what he did was scummy.
Because I think what he did was fine. Am I supporting a scummy thought? I don't think so. It's just different. Several of us (me, Toad, VE) have moved on with varying opinions on WBG. I ask you to do the same. Consider prplhz and talismania. If you still think WBG is scum that's fine, but let's focus as a town and get some discussion on prplhz and talismania, because regardless of today's lynch they are serious contenders for d2 lynch.
yeah prplhz deserves to be hammered as well, but it still amazes me that you would reduce the entire case on bugs on the mason thing. I think strongandbigs points were the strongest, to be frank, he found some really good quotes and made some very good points on wbg. Which is funny, because if you read what wbg is writing, he is reducing almost everything that has been written as me tunneling him and I am completely terrible and tunnel him every game*(which is a lie btw. In the Pms he even lied straight to my face and said I called him scum in mini mafia X (where he was scum) when I actually did not consider him. Look at the logs and that game,he is blatantly lying about that) . And it is working. I will keep my vote on WBG unless someone other than him or Prplhz would get lynched, in which case I will move to prpl. No one else though and I would rather see WBG dead than prplhz
Last thing. Could you explain from the PM log what made you think WBG is town?
Thanks!
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On August 06 2012 12:44 wherebugsgo wrote:
Also if it hasn't been obvious already I'm actually under a lot more work and time pressures than I considered earlier.
I can't be as active as I am normally but at the very least I'm more active than most of the players in the game. I won't be staying to my normal standards.
If you think I am scum go ahead and try to kill me. However at this point I'm going to stop bothering to defend myself as it's a huge waste of my time. Instead I'm going to try to scumhunt (I didn't do that earlier since I was distracted by Erandorr)
Hey WBG, would you mind rationally clearing this up for me.
Why do you make it sound like the entire case on you is centered on the mason thing at the beginning, which is part of it, but not even that deciding.
I already stated that I believe strongandbigs points to be very good, but you don't even bother to answer them. They have very little to nothing to do with the mason thing, yet you claim this entire case has been focused on that. Which is completely untrue. And you make it sound like I am the only one behind it , and as I said completely ignoring the valid points of a player.
Could you just clear the air once and explain yourself again, but this time adressing the stuff that has actually been said and not what you make it sound like?
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On August 07 2012 06:53 VisceraEyes wrote:@Bugs Looking at talis' activity, I'm less inclined to vote him. I mean - I get the case on me and I can't refute it...it's based almost entirely around the quality of my case against him, which I'll admit is fairly bad. That being said, I've masoned talis and we'll see where my read on him goes from here. Errandor is looking like the best target today - we've now flipped a town mason, so theoretically speaking lynching into the masons is a good plan if we're subscribing to the idea that scum must have masons. That aside, I had a scum read leaving N1 and that hasn't changed. I feel like his defense against my points fails to address the main crux of my argument which is that rather than argue his points logically, he's more interested in turning town AGAINST you appealing to their emotions. It just sucks for him that most everyone KNOWS you're a bastard regardless of alignment.  And in response to your first question...no guy. 5 out of what 20? players isn't enough. I'm thoroughly DISatisfied with town's activity right now. Hopefully I'll be able to add something more to the conversation soon.
Hey. Would you mind answering my questions ? I really don't want to repeat myself again , since you are saying absolutely nothing new at all.
I feel like his defense against my points fails to address the main crux of my argument which is that rather than argue his points logically, he's more interested in turning town AGAINST you appealing to their emotions. It just sucks for him that most everyone KNOWS you're a bastard regardless of alignment.
yeah especially this part. So, I gave you 4-5 posts of mine where I use logic to display my case against wbg, and ask you to prove that I am you... know.. not doing that , instead doing what you tell wbg I am doing. It is rather silly to fight air like this, when people don't even try to prove their cases and instead get away with random shitty scummy comments like that.
Would you please go back to the last post where I adressed you, go through it and answer it? After all you want the best lynch and not something retarded thats convenient if you are town, right?
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Also you seem to think I am scum for like 48 hours now. Why have you not voted me yet honey bunny?
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On August 07 2012 09:01 VisceraEyes wrote:
Erand you're like...not HEARING logic bro! Bugs already told you why he outted us as masons, and you didn't accept his reasoning! While it inconvenienced my use of the power (as far as like...sneakily getting scum to tell me their seekrits or whatever) it has actually HELPED town in that it has given the rest of the players OUTSIDE of the three of us a means to further their reads on all of us. slOosh said this. I've said this. Yet what do you do when asked to logically argue your case? You point to the same 4 or 5 ILLOGICAL POSTS on the matter!!
You have failed to say why Bugs, your #1 scumread atm, is scummy in any kind of coherent way short of "He's a meaniehead!"
You have failed to explain why you would, after knowing he outted me as mason, mason Bugs if your status as Mason is so damned precious. Let me ask YOU Erand: you think Bugs' move to "out the masons" was "anti-town" right? Then what was YOUR move to mason Bugs KNOWING he was going to out you to the thread? ITS THE EXACT SAME THING! Except when Bugs did it he did it with the intent of giving information to the thread. When you masoned Bugs, it was surreptitious...sneaky. Like look at the options:
1) Bugs outs you as mason. "SCUM!!! He shouldn't do that it's ANTITOWN!!"
2) Bugs does NOT out you as mason. "SCUMM!!!!! Why would he out VE and not me?!"
There's literally no situation in which he could be town bro! You did that knowing what you were going to think of him! SO WHY DO IT IN THE FIRST PLACE?!?!?
##Vote: Erandorr
Smooches, bro.
Couple of simple questions :
1) what about the logs(your pms with wbg) made you think wbg is town? Several people asked this and you sort of forgot to answer it.
2)Did you miss the part where I explained 30 times that its not at all about the mason thing anymore?
3) 2) Bugs does NOT out you as mason. "SCUMM!!!!! Why would he out VE and not me?!"
No. It would have been me asking him in a PM why he outed VE.
Why do you reduce the mason role to that? Wbg is a proven player, and as I stated before, the most important part of masoning someone is wanting to talk to them in private. I know thats hard for you to comprehend, given the pm logs between you and him.
He did something I completely disagreed with, so I wanted to know why. In private. Now in my opinion, outing me like that after having done nothing at all that benifits town made me lean very much scum on him. We have been over this enough
4) I wrote something earlier, which you obviously completely ignored. Could you go back to this and answer it?
Also, this does not reaaally make that much sense if I am scum. Look at the amout of attention and spotlight I have gotten from this.
You seem to think WBG is town, correct? And WBG as town is usually pretty decent, not this terrible raging mess we have seen this game.
So why on earth would I mason one of the strongest town players in the game, to call him scum? Do you honestly think any Scum would have the balls to do that? And actually push for his lynch no matter what? I am not tunneling some random lurking noob with 2 posts per day, I am activly going against a proven Vet. What Scum player would do that?
5)You have failed to say why Bugs, your #1 scumread atm, is scummy in any kind of coherent way short of "He's a meaniehead!"
You repeat this quite often. Where have I done this?
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I am using numbers so you can't cherry pick what you actually want to answer <3
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VE, wtf.
Can you please look at those quotes in context?
1st quote: I respond to who seem to think that the raging started with me, not him
2nd : I think his rage is was a tool to dodge any questions he did not want to answer.
3rd: is a response to that guy accusing me of being as guilty of raging as wbg, and using it as part of a case vs me. its not me whining, its me clarifying something someone is not willing to see.
4th: the same, broodking accuses me of starting the shitstorm so once again I try to use "facts"
No I didn't miss it, I don't give a FUCK what your accusation against Bugs is about
Erand you're like...not HEARING logic bro! Bugs already told you why he outted us as masons, and you didn't accept his reasoning! While it inconvenienced my use of the power (as far as like...sneakily getting scum to tell me their seekrits or whatever) it has actually HELPED town in that it has given the rest of the players OUTSIDE of the three of us a means to further their reads on all of us. slOosh said this. I've said this. Yet what do you do when asked to logically argue your case? You point to the same 4 or 5 ILLOGICAL POSTS on the matter!!
Liar.
About the "wifom"
I think you are scum at this point. If you are town then you are one of the biggest morons I have ever seen called "good" at mafia.
I also think you probably are scum with WBG, at least I hope you are
WBG
VE
Jingles
Broodking
Some other random lurker (hassy,bio...? )
##Vote wbg
I am out, good luck with the game.
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To clarify, its not about you or wbg, its about every single other person in the game S&B and maaaybe Toad excluded
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EPT
