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On August 05 2012 06:37 slOosh wrote:Show nested quote +On August 05 2012 06:32 Toadesstern wrote:
wat? the guys I'm in chat with are outed somewhere? Where? Did I miss something?
Or was it just about Talis saying "yeah figured you got masoned" ?
If he mentioned a name somewhere it's probably wrong because I can't remember something lol No names, but the fact that he is drawing attention to that you got masoned, when I have no recollection of you saying that (if you did then I missed it). It's like seeing someone act like detective and pointing it out to everyone in thread.
Well I don't actually mind that because I wanted that to happen anyways, although it's kinda troublesome from his pov, as you say.
I said I've been masoned for a reason. I was honest when I said I'm against outing masons, why I am against it and I did not fake that.
But when I thought about it I realized that it's probably a nice trap as well so I've been really vocal about how I don't plan on outing masons, hoping that a shitton of people mason me, especially people who don't want to be outed.
The "plan" always has been to see what people are like in PM-land and than decide myself who should be outed and who should not be outed. I recently decided to just post everything during n1, so it slightly changed and I didn't slip or post that because of him but because I wanted to.
Everything's fine :p
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Repost for all the zombies out there:
also vote prplhz
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I really still think Erandorr is the best read.
He starts with this gem, voting on Bugs for no reason at all. Maybe I'm crazy, but I'm not a fan of votes for literally no reason, as they don't create functional discussion, and could cause trouble, or be used as cover later.
On August 03 2012 11:37 Erandorr wrote:Show nested quote +On August 03 2012 11:32 wherebugsgo wrote:
I'm town.
for that matter I'm Roger fucking Sterling, so suck my dick. lets start this game right ## VOTE: WBG
Most of page 2 of his filter is nonsensical babble or ad homs.
He masons onto WBG after WBG outs VE, as "proof" WBG is outing masons. Or maybe to get himself confirmed as a role in hopes he gets some BOTD.
He throws out personal attacks against anyone who disagrees with him repeatedly, an example:
On August 03 2012 23:58 Erandorr wrote:
Yo you guys. You actually don't use "reason" or "arguments" you just sit there and talk shit. If you disagree with me, point out mistakes you think I made instead of shitting out terrible posts
Epic defense against Hier.
On August 04 2012 08:23 Erandorr wrote:Show nested quote +On August 04 2012 08:16 Hier wrote:I am so impressed, Erandorr, you are so elaborate. Nobody even remotely suspects you of being mafia. You painted yourself to be a very big opponent of mason claims. + Show Spoiler [As seen here] +On August 03 2012 12:26 Erandorr wrote:YO talismania : wtf Show nested quote +Mason is kind of worthless for town and at face value is little different than a vanilla townie.
--A normal pair of masons have the benefit of knowing that one person is definitively town, and being able to claim that later. There is no such guarantee in this game. It's just like posting in the thread with someone except without anyone else seeing it, plus they're going to be extra suspicious of you. Of course you can glean a lot of information just by talking as well, which is a plus regardless. So lets see. Townie masons are kind of bad because all you can do is privatly talk to someone to get information and a feeling of not some random player, but someone you want to talk to more? Also explain the bolded part please. Why are you focused on how a town mason is looking trying to get information? Show nested quote +2) Mason is kind of a worthless role for scum.
--A scum mason is an annoying role to play. Do you pick townies, a scumbuddy, etc. What do you say to whom you buddy, each day? Seems fraught. Are you serious? Can you really think of no reason how a scum mason could be useful? Show nested quote +3) One interesting point is that if there is a town mason, there's likely a scum mason. Given the setup description, I find it hard to believe in fact that this would not be the case. This makes the role doubly poisonous/useless for scum. As it stands now, there are 5 scum and 19 townies (25%). If all the masons claim, and scum claims with them, I'm betting it's closer to 50/50 ratio. Maybe 2 town, 2 scum. That's shit for scum, so they won't want to claim. Except that they might think if they don't claim those that do are going to get too much town cred and yadda yadda.
Yeah those kind of speculations always work out and are totally valid and never before produced complete retard lynches! Show nested quote +4) So why not have them claim? Sounds fine to me but I don't think it's necessary either.
Okay. So would I be correct in saying that you think the mason role is so shitty that having it claimed wouldn't really help anyways, so why bother? If I misunderstood feel free to elaborate. Show nested quote +5) If you are masoned for the day - you MUST claim. There is no reason not to claim that. And save your logs and communications, because that shit needs to end up in the thread eventually.
Why? I can think of reasons not to claim that, actually. And just because you can do something doesn't really mean you should , right? But mafia either already knows who the masons are by receiving PMs, or sleep soundly at night knowing the masons are bickering among the townies in private, accusing each other of being scum behind each others' backs. Along comes WBG and gives away VE, to which you replied: On August 03 2012 20:54 Erandorr wrote:
any reason why you would out VE as mason this early? I mean thats kind of retarded. WBG confirms his stance on revealing masons, and has already done so in practice with an attitude that would assure anyone that he would easily do it again. + Show Spoiler [Here] +On August 03 2012 21:10 Erandorr wrote:Show nested quote +On August 03 2012 20:59 wherebugsgo wrote:
Pot calling the kettle black...
Let me break this down into simpler terms for you (and I thought that wasn't possible!)
1. Being a mason isn't alignment indicative (therefore outting a mason is rather worthless)
2. The playerbase of this game will not understand stuff unless it's obviously stated.
3. If we are both town then mafia will strongly consider shooting one of us. Which means that we will make good protects. Which means that it potentially forces mafia to shoot suboptimally. Sorry wbg, I am just too retarded to understand you. Within the same hour you mason WBG and get your role revealed. This warrants WBG's reveal of your role being anti-town; your role specifically, revealing VE was just "retarded", not necessarily anti-town. If you had filed your mason request before WBG revealed VE, he would have revealed both of you at the same time. BC was online at the time, as per his voting thread announcement, allowing for all of this to happen in rapid succession. You have abused WBG's rash decision making to your advantage, which I commend. + Show Spoiler [Time of BC's post] +On August 03 2012 21:20 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Please move all voting into the voting thread I just created Here
Thank you Erandorr's reasonings: + Show Spoiler [Here] +On August 03 2012 23:53 Erandorr wrote:Show nested quote +On August 03 2012 23:51 strongandbig wrote:On August 03 2012 21:48 wherebugsgo wrote:
Erandorr just masoned me. Dunno if he's scum or just dumb though.
Also I didn't ask either of them before outting them. errandorr I was kind of hoping you would address this without being prompted but... I wanted to see if he did it again, considering I know my alignment. Its a completely anti town move . Give me one reason why not to hammer wbg right now please. On August 04 2012 01:37 Erandorr wrote:Show nested quote +On August 04 2012 01:31 talismania wrote:On August 04 2012 00:39 talismania wrote:On August 03 2012 23:53 Erandorr wrote:On August 03 2012 23:51 strongandbig wrote:On August 03 2012 21:48 wherebugsgo wrote:
Erandorr just masoned me. Dunno if he's scum or just dumb though.
Also I didn't ask either of them before outting them. errandorr I was kind of hoping you would address this without being prompted but... I wanted to see if he did it again, considering I know my alignment. Its a completely anti town move . Give me one reason why not to hammer wbg right now please. can you walk me through your thought process a little more? It seemed like you were against masons being in public given your agreement with toad. So why did you risk outing yourself? Its a completely anti town move to out people like that without thoughts on alignment or actually any information. They may have been context with VE, but I thought of it as trading my role for confirming wbg as scum. it is that easy. On August 04 2012 01:40 Erandorr wrote:
EBWOP: at that point I wasnt actually certain that wbg was scum at all.
Something else I would like to point out that fucks over wbgs shitty logic even more, he pretended to give reasons on why he outed VE. Now what exactly were his reasons to out me , assuming he is town? He seems to think that I am town, so why do that to me?
Suddenly you become the victim of something you, apparently, could not forsee, making you look town. You try to convince people that WBG's move was anti-town, while the move against VE "may have been context", or was just "retarded", but not anti-town yet. It doesn't even matter whether WBG is town or mafia! He could be scum, and you may have asked him to rat you out without you even being a mason. I don't know. But you, Erandorr, I am very impressed with. That was clever. I will strive to be like you in the future. Dear god I hope you are trolling
Continues to press other people to jump on the WBG wagon.
On August 04 2012 22:56 Erandorr wrote:Show nested quote +On August 04 2012 22:52 Lazermonkey wrote:
Wbg: grush scum meta isn't to troll. His meta overall just doesn't make any sense. I played with him in Newbie XVI(where you actually coached me a bit so you maybe remember that as well). He made posts like this all the time and even claimed detective. Guess what? He was VT.
Lynching grush today is essentially a coinflip. I will not lynch into him today. So what exactly do you intend to do. Do you agree about WBG?
He posts this about WBG:
On August 05 2012 06:18 Erandorr wrote:Show nested quote +On August 05 2012 05:48 strongandbig wrote:On August 05 2012 05:38 slOosh wrote:On August 05 2012 05:36 strongandbig wrote:On August 05 2012 04:57 slOosh wrote:On August 05 2012 04:53 strongandbig wrote:On August 05 2012 04:33 wherebugsgo wrote:
Also the people who think I willingly brought attention to myself are funny. I didn't fully think of the repercussions when I outted the masons in terms of thread presence but I also didn't account for the fact that many people who have different opinions will consider opposing viewpoints as scummy (because they are incapable of understanding that different does not mean scum) if you're town then your play this game has been fucking terrible. i guess maybe you have irl shit but that's really the only explanation i could accept for why you've been playing the way you have instead of how you normally play. like, i usually have a lot of respect for how you play but if you're town this game you're being both stupid and an asshole, and i don't feel like sitting here and taking your shit. He got pissed off and it resulted in some unwanted behavior. Move on - do you have any objections to a talismania lynch? forgot to answer this. My objection to a talismania lynch is that it's not a wbg lynch. I don't understand why his recent behavior makes people think he's town. I don't see how it's alignment indicative. Read his PM log with Erandorr. Try to approach it from a "what is scum WBG trying to accomplish with his actions" rather than a "is WBG playing as well as what I envision a town WBG would play like". Just finished reading it. So you're thinking about this wrong. wbg's play isn't accomplishing objectives when he gets into this fight with errandor and starts raging everywhere. As I've said before, I think that scum wbg would be just as upset at the prospect of getting lynched for what he sees as shitty reasons as town wbg would. What I see in that pm log is just what wbg said it was - no serious attempt to persuade, except to persuade erandor that he's stupid. So no, I don't see that chat log as alignment indicative, I see it as "wbg being in a really bad mood for some out of game reason" indicative. Look at his play before the fight between him and erandorr, that's where we have things that are actually valid to analyze. Could you guys also please look at the "fight" where i try really hard to actually do stuff and he insults me about 100 times.
Which blithely ignores certain parts of the log, like
ME: its about you playing like complete dogshit
ME: you are playing like shit
ME: your logic is really bad
[04.08.12 13:03:32] ME: the one where you got killed
[04.08.12 13:03:42] ME: cause you fucked up as scum?
[04.08.12 13:03:57] ME: okay sry i just thought that was funny
Those are some brilliant examples of attempting productivity, and keeping it calm.
There's several people I have trouble seeing the town motive with, but Erandorr tops the chart for me.
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Erandorr is not going to happen today. Not that I think it's going to happen tomorrow either but at least for today ignore him and try to pick someone who actually has a chance of being lynched.
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On August 05 2012 06:52 Toadesstern wrote:
Erandorr is not going to happen today. Not that I think it's going to happen tomorrow either but at least for today ignore him and try to pick someone who actually has a chance of being lynched.
Unless I misread the hell out of the OP, it's plurality, so keeping my vote on my biggest read shouldn't hurt the consensus.
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When is the lynch happening? I've been busy as hell these last two days and finally got some time to post now. I will reread some stuff now
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JingleHell we are trying to consolidate votes right now and because the deadline isn't as friendly to our European neighbors the #1 priority for town is to get this lynch through. We aren't going to lynch Erandorr today. We discuss him more at night but right now our goal is to lynch scum, and that will best happen with prplhz. So please vote him unless you think he is town.
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On August 05 2012 06:37 slOosh wrote:Show nested quote +On August 05 2012 06:32 Toadesstern wrote:
wat? the guys I'm in chat with are outed somewhere? Where? Did I miss something?
Or was it just about Talis saying "yeah figured you got masoned" ?
If he mentioned a name somewhere it's probably wrong because I can't remember something lol No names, but the fact that he is drawing attention to that you got masoned, when I have no recollection of you saying that (if you did then I missed it). It's like seeing someone act like detective and pointing it out to everyone in thread.
You also missed the post like five posts before this one where I said that you missed it.
But what do I know I don't care about the game and am not paying attention.
Also, no comment on dropula? If you're not masoned with him, do you have another explanation for why he voted for me when he did with absolutely no comment? Are you ok with that?
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and of course, prp is fine with me so I'll go ahead and vote him.
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I do not understand this prplhz accusation. There are literally two things he has done:
1) Accuse Glasse of having passive posts.
2) Change his vote to slOosh for not being active.
Then he gets drunk and goes MIA.
Instead I'm starting to look at Toad for borderline forcing people to vote for prplhz, as opposed to encouraging votes for whoever people consider scummy.
WBG I'm almost convinced is town, in light of the conversation log between him and Erandorr.
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On August 05 2012 06:54 Lazermonkey wrote:
When is the lynch happening? I've been busy as hell these last two days and finally got some time to post now. I will reread some stuff now
3 hours I think?
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Is it really in three hours? I thought the game started at 9pm pacific and it's only 3 pm pacific now
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On August 05 2012 06:55 Hier wrote:
I do not understand this prplhz accusation. There are literally two things he has done:
1) Accuse Glasse of having passive posts.
2) Change his vote to slOosh for not being active.
Then he gets drunk and goes MIA.
Instead I'm starting to look at Toad for borderline forcing people to vote for prplhz, as opposed to encouraging votes for whoever people consider scummy.
WBG I'm almost convinced is town, in light of the conversation log between him and Erandorr.
jackpot. Got another mafia for today in case Zeph is town.
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On August 05 2012 06:55 Hier wrote:
I do not understand this prplhz accusation. There are literally two things he has done:
1) Accuse Glasse of having passive posts.
2) Change his vote to slOosh for not being active.
Then he gets drunk and goes MIA.
Instead I'm starting to look at Toad for borderline forcing people to vote for prplhz, as opposed to encouraging votes for whoever people consider scummy.
WBG I'm almost convinced is town, in light of the conversation log between him and Erandorr.
You've said it yourself in your post. What has he done that you think him town? Prplhz is a good town player, and in this game he has contributed nothing. What Toad is doing isn't scummy. We need to get a lynch off and since we have alot of votes on WBG, we need even more votes on prplhz to lynch him. Because right now if everyone votes for who they think are scummy, then WBG will die.
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On August 03 2012 10:31 BloodyC0bbler wrote:The day has begun and you guys have till 9pm est on Saturday to get your votes in. I also apologize for the 30 minute late post but just got home 
so in 3 hours, yes.
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On August 05 2012 06:58 Toadesstern wrote:Show nested quote +On August 05 2012 06:55 Hier wrote:
I do not understand this prplhz accusation. There are literally two things he has done:
1) Accuse Glasse of having passive posts.
2) Change his vote to slOosh for not being active.
Then he gets drunk and goes MIA.
Instead I'm starting to look at Toad for borderline forcing people to vote for prplhz, as opposed to encouraging votes for whoever people consider scummy.
WBG I'm almost convinced is town, in light of the conversation log between him and Erandorr. jackpot. Got another mafia for today in case Zeph is town.
Semi-agree with this.
Hier, how closely have you been following the thread?
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On July 14 2012 09:07 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
Time Cycle:
This game will follow a 24 hour night/48 hour day cycle. In case I am not able to post around deadline, any votes after the 48 hour mark will not count and the game will be put on halt until the night post is up. Currently the deadline is 9pm est, but that is subject to change. Actions/votes will be accepted up to and including the posted time, but not after.
I believe EST is eastern standard time. Right now I live in midwest and its 5pm, so its 6pm there, and with a deadline of 9pm there is 3 hours left.
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Yeah you're all right I misremembered.
We really really really need some host clarification here:
Will WBG be modkilled for voting for himself?
Will other votes count for WBG in that case?
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I think we need 3 more votes. VE please don't forget to vote in the voting thread!
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On August 05 2012 06:55 slOosh wrote:
JingleHell we are trying to consolidate votes right now and because the deadline isn't as friendly to our European neighbors the #1 priority for town is to get this lynch through. We aren't going to lynch Erandorr today. We discuss him more at night but right now our goal is to lynch scum, and that will best happen with prplhz. So please vote him unless you think he is town.
This is coming from you? The same person who said this...
On August 05 2012 03:37 slOosh wrote:
Hey Erandorr could be scum, but WBG's alignment isn't solely tied with Erandorr's alignment. We are not "letting him fly", we are discussing WBG, and he is the lynch candidate to consider. If you think he is town than discuss that.
...just minutes before you pull your vote OFF of WBG based on the chat logs, where WBG even said...
[04.08.12 13:29:52] WBG: I can't figure out a good scum in PMs, no one really can
Sorry, but I don't like having my vote bullied, and you sound a little funny too with your inconsistency.
I see Erandorr as scummier than WBG or prp, who seems to mostly be getting wagoned for semi-lurky behavior and a vote people don't like (issued the same way as Erandorr's vote I didn't like) when there are other people lurking harder.
Vote where you want, but don't tell me where to vote, it's not like I'm going to accidentally force a no-lynch here.
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