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On August 04 2012 10:16 talismania wrote:Show nested quote +On August 04 2012 09:48 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On August 04 2012 09:44 Hier wrote:On August 04 2012 08:48 BloodyC0bbler wrote:The day was busy and everyone was furiously making phone calls and trying to figure out the details of the day. Management was still in agreement that someone had to be fired and before they could make that decision an employee helped them. Ken Cosgrove marched into the Partners meeting room and threw down his letter of resignation. "I don't have time for this game" he said and turned on his heels and left the firm, gazing at the glass windows of Sterling Cooper Draper Pryce as the elevator doors closed. Zorkmid as Ken Cosgrove Has Quit+ Show Spoiler +Ken Cosgrove:
You are a man of many names. Ken, Ben, Dave. Each name for different lives. You have your day to day name for your job and your marriage, your first name used in writing and then your second when “forced” to give the hobby up. You have contacts all over the advertising industry and are the reason SCDP knew lucky strike was leaving to begin with. You are a hard worker and everyone thinks they know where you stand. They in reality do not. You made a pact to leave with Peggy should she ever leave. You wont be walked over again, not like you were at Sterling Cooper.
Did town lose a player just like that? Didn't we have 2 replacements? Circumstances of the specific player in question resulted in a direct modkill rather then replacement. I will go into more detail upon game ending but until then please hold discussion of it. Also do you mind sorting what his actual role was? Is there a reason that bit of the pm is missing?Smells Any chance I can get that list of 24 char names I asked for? Just for my own amusement I know I won't be able to game the setup with them. Just curious to see who you put in.
Wild guess but smells like someone mason'd him, then he revealed his role pm or something to the guy, the mason turned him in to the host for cheating.
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how the fuck did smells end up in that quote well whatever lol.
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I'm gonna reread the thread. Zeph's activity is at least such that if he's scum he's sure to let me know soon enough...and there are FAR too many lurkers for a healthy town at this point. He's defended himself at least, yet is still interested in finding scum. Not comfortable lynching anymore...but keep talking Zeph.
##Unvote Zephirdd
I'm rereading with a focus on players who barely have any content, and hopefully one of them jumps out at me...because at this point I'm on the verge of a Lurker Policy Lynch...and those of you who have played with me know it's serious if it's come to that.
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Ok I'm gonna say some stuff now.
People who are "baiting" - I'm not totally familiar with the term but it seems like it is an easy way to explain away suspicious behavior. This stops now. That sort of stuff belongs in PM-land if at all, and I want it out of my thread.
@talis: Stop it with the interest in flavor - you are spamming up the thread and if you are town you are doing a terrible job. A whole 24hrs into the day and all I have from you is "Ok with policy lynching". I will push for your lynch before a policy lynch. Proper organized thoughts on actual scum targets rather than screwing around.
@WBG:
On August 04 2012 08:52 wherebugsgo wrote:
Let's kill grush. As long as he trolls he's a detriment and certainly the only thing he actually does as scum is troll. Pretty sure given his first post he's not town this game, just as he wasn't in LV.
He was town in LV. In either case I'd think him more vig rather than lynch material, and in a town like this where activity is the main problem (opposed to spamming), he won't do much damage. Do you not like any of the other possible lynch candidates brought up so far?
I also want some current thoughts on prplhz - talk on him ended up getting buried and I have no interest in cutting him slack when he hasn't shown anything worth cutting slack for.
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e: "inactivity is the main problem"
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HOOK LINE SINKER WBG, MY TOWN META IS STARSENSES
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On August 04 2012 13:59 grush57 wrote:
HOOK LINE SINKER WBG, MY TOWN META IS STARSENSES
Tell me, do you ever not sound like you skipped the paper bag and just ate the model glue instead?
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On August 04 2012 12:05 slOosh wrote:Ok I'm gonna say some stuff now. People who are "baiting" - I'm not totally familiar with the term but it seems like it is an easy way to explain away suspicious behavior. This stops now. That sort of stuff belongs in PM-land if at all, and I want it out of my thread. @talis: Stop it with the interest in flavor - you are spamming up the thread and if you are town you are doing a terrible job. A whole 24hrs into the day and all I have from you is "Ok with policy lynching". I will push for your lynch before a policy lynch. Proper organized thoughts on actual scum targets rather than screwing around. @WBG: Show nested quote +On August 04 2012 08:52 wherebugsgo wrote:
Let's kill grush. As long as he trolls he's a detriment and certainly the only thing he actually does as scum is troll. Pretty sure given his first post he's not town this game, just as he wasn't in LV.
He was town in LV. In either case I'd think him more vig rather than lynch material, and in a town like this where activity is the main problem (opposed to spamming), he won't do much damage. Do you not like any of the other possible lynch candidates brought up so far? I also want some current thoughts on prplhz - talk on him ended up getting buried and I have no interest in cutting him slack when he hasn't shown anything worth cutting slack for.
LVI, whatever that game was. The game in which I kept saying let's kill grush because he's trolling and no one killed him.
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also no, obviously I think all the other lynch candidates are inferior.
Why should we resort to trusting a vig to shoot grush? How do we even know if we have a vig? This sort of stuff really pisses me off, because it delays the inevitable.
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man bugs you can do better than this. what, did you forget that VE and I were in wheel of fortune too?
Ace's Scum 101: get town to lynch people for being bad rather than for being scum.
I mean, I may be bad but I'm not stupid.
On August 04 2012 17:47 wherebugsgo wrote:
also no, obviously I think all the other lynch candidates are inferior.
Why should we resort to trusting a vig to shoot grush? How do we even know if we have a vig? This sort of stuff really pisses me off, because it delays the inevitable.
On August 04 2012 09:00 wherebugsgo wrote:
Your basic assumption that outing masons in this game is antitown is flawed. I already pointed that out when...oh, I dunno, I called you bad several times for thinking it.
If you out masons then you pressure them. Zephirdd was 100% correct on why I did it (and if he's scum that was a pretty brilliant play by him). The goal is to distinguish the town masons from the scum masons via their handing of the pressure.
Also it has the side effect of scaring mafia masons into potentially not using their roles if they fear they will instantly be outted and put in a small pool of players for scrutiny.
Playing like Ace only works when you're Ace and always play like Ace.
On August 03 2012 20:59 wherebugsgo wrote:
1. Being a mason isn't alignment indicative (therefore outting a mason is rather worthless)
Town wbg would realize that this logic is terrible.
Town wbg wouldn't give multiple different explanations for outing masons on day 1 without discussing it with them and without participating with the town discussion of whether masons should claim.
(for reference, those explanations were "because VE and I are good and this way medics might medic us", and "to pressure the masons")
Town wbg wouldn't try to lead a lynch on a bad player just for being bad, without making a case, etc.
This isn't town wbg.
##vote: wherebugsgo
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On August 04 2012 18:51 strongandbig wrote:man bugs you can do better than this. what, did you forget that VE and I were in wheel of fortune too? Ace's Scum 101: get town to lynch people for being bad rather than for being scum. I mean, I may be bad but I'm not stupid. Show nested quote +On August 04 2012 17:47 wherebugsgo wrote:
also no, obviously I think all the other lynch candidates are inferior.
Why should we resort to trusting a vig to shoot grush? How do we even know if we have a vig? This sort of stuff really pisses me off, because it delays the inevitable. Show nested quote +On August 04 2012 09:00 wherebugsgo wrote:
Your basic assumption that outing masons in this game is antitown is flawed. I already pointed that out when...oh, I dunno, I called you bad several times for thinking it.
If you out masons then you pressure them. Zephirdd was 100% correct on why I did it (and if he's scum that was a pretty brilliant play by him). The goal is to distinguish the town masons from the scum masons via their handing of the pressure.
Also it has the side effect of scaring mafia masons into potentially not using their roles if they fear they will instantly be outted and put in a small pool of players for scrutiny. Playing like Ace only works when you're Ace and always play like Ace. Show nested quote +On August 03 2012 20:59 wherebugsgo wrote:
1. Being a mason isn't alignment indicative (therefore outting a mason is rather worthless)
Town wbg would realize that this logic is terrible. Town wbg wouldn't give multiple different explanations for outing masons on day 1 without discussing it with them and without participating with the town discussion of whether masons should claim. (for reference, those explanations were "because VE and I are good and this way medics might medic us", and "to pressure the masons") Town wbg wouldn't try to lead a lynch on a bad player just for being bad, without making a case, etc. This isn't town wbg. ##vote: wherebugsgo
Exactly this.
Still re-reading but I like this post and I think lynching WBG should be the way to go today.
Out of my 5-man list I consider VE to be the guy who is the least likely to flip mafia.
I'm a little scared Talis might actually think the way he posts so I'd rather go for either WBG or Prplhz. After WoF I'd say WBG is the way to go because I saw Prplhz fail pretty hard in there, so I want to give him some time for now.
Zephird is just like VE one of the weaker reads.
I can't stop but getting the fealing that WBG is faking all this being pissed and his reasoning for outing masons is still non-existent. It's the same thing like claiming mafia in irc-mafia because there's not much ups and downs for that besides being a bold move.
I could have maybe come up with a reasoning for why he outed VE given that it's VE. Something like "Well the dude is VE, he's going to claim within the next 12hours ANYWAYS so might as well get over it now". With Erandorr being outed as well that's not longer a possibility and except for the whole thing being a bold move I don't see a reason to do it at all.
This is mafia Bugs doing bold moves on purposes for the sake of doing something bold, because people think mafia don't do stuff like that. There's no other purpose of this whole shenanigan he did.
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EBWOP just to get this clear:
##vote: WBG
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Yes. Thank you Strongandbig.
I would like to expand a bit on what you have been saying.
Gotta love 8:30 vision appointments.
For anyone who doesn't know, from my perspective Erandor and VE share two important traits:
One, they both call me scum in every game without fail regardless of their own alignments.
Two, they're both awful as town.
Right now I lean toward Erandor being terrible, since I don't think as scum he'd stop being lazy long enough to form a coherent sentence.
Everyone look at what WBG is doing in this post.Now think about this post and try to see town motivation.
As I stated before, I don't call him Scum every game. It just happens that we basicly never had the same alignment before. So when I call him Scum, he usually is Scum.
The important part : WBG is not discrediting the arguments, he is trying to discredit the players.
That is not something a good town player should ever do without being really frustrated. And there really was no reason for him to be this hyper agressive this early on. Unless he was scum and wanted to create a terrible atmosphere.
Look at everything I have posted , look at what StrongandBig and Toad added. And then do the right thing and help us kill Scum.
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On August 04 2012 18:51 strongandbig wrote:man bugs you can do better than this. what, did you forget that VE and I were in wheel of fortune too? Ace's Scum 101: get town to lynch people for being bad rather than for being scum. I mean, I may be bad but I'm not stupid. Show nested quote +On August 04 2012 17:47 wherebugsgo wrote:
also no, obviously I think all the other lynch candidates are inferior.
Why should we resort to trusting a vig to shoot grush? How do we even know if we have a vig? This sort of stuff really pisses me off, because it delays the inevitable. Show nested quote +On August 04 2012 09:00 wherebugsgo wrote:
Your basic assumption that outing masons in this game is antitown is flawed. I already pointed that out when...oh, I dunno, I called you bad several times for thinking it.
If you out masons then you pressure them. Zephirdd was 100% correct on why I did it (and if he's scum that was a pretty brilliant play by him). The goal is to distinguish the town masons from the scum masons via their handing of the pressure.
Also it has the side effect of scaring mafia masons into potentially not using their roles if they fear they will instantly be outted and put in a small pool of players for scrutiny. Playing like Ace only works when you're Ace and always play like Ace. Show nested quote +On August 03 2012 20:59 wherebugsgo wrote:
1. Being a mason isn't alignment indicative (therefore outting a mason is rather worthless)
Town wbg would realize that this logic is terrible. Town wbg wouldn't give multiple different explanations for outing masons on day 1 without discussing it with them and without participating with the town discussion of whether masons should claim. (for reference, those explanations were "because VE and I are good and this way medics might medic us", and "to pressure the masons") Town wbg wouldn't try to lead a lynch on a bad player just for being bad, without making a case, etc. This isn't town wbg. ##vote: wherebugsgo
Number 1:
I did not give multiple explanations for outting the masons. I gave one. I don't see how you asserting that I gave multiple explanations is an indication that I did.
Secondly, I don't give a fuck about mason discussion in this game because it's a waste of time. Masons can claim and it has absolutely no bearing on their alignment. This isn't like the setups I run where claiming actually matters significantly because they're almost certainly confirmed town.
Third, how is being a mason not being alignment indicative (a fucking fact of the setup) "terrible logic"?
Fourth, there is absolutely something wrong with you if you think I am a better lynch than grush. Grush is playing to his LVI meta. If you don't care to read LVI, then you can continue being bad.
Also, I'm not voting grush for being bad. He's going to be bad regardless of his alignment, but I've already pointed out how as town he doesn't actually troll this hard, unless he's somehow become even worse than he already was.
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On August 04 2012 19:41 Erandorr wrote:Yes. Thank you Strongandbig. I would like to expand a bit on what you have been saying. Show nested quote +Gotta love 8:30 vision appointments.
For anyone who doesn't know, from my perspective Erandor and VE share two important traits:
One, they both call me scum in every game without fail regardless of their own alignments.
Two, they're both awful as town.
Right now I lean toward Erandor being terrible, since I don't think as scum he'd stop being lazy long enough to form a coherent sentence. Everyone look at what WBG is doing in this post.Now think about this post and try to see town motivation. As I stated before, I don't call him Scum every game. It just happens that we basicly never had the same alignment before. So when I call him Scum, he usually is Scum. The important part : WBG is not discrediting the arguments, he is trying to discredit the players.That is not something a good town player should ever do without being really frustrated. And there really was no reason for him to be this hyper agressive this early on. Unless he was scum and wanted to create a terrible atmosphere. Look at everything I have posted , look at what StrongandBig and Toad added. And then do the right thing and help us kill Scum.
I'm discrediting your arguments BECAUSE THEY'RE WRONG.
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On August 04 2012 19:56 wherebugsgo wrote:Show nested quote +On August 04 2012 18:51 strongandbig wrote:man bugs you can do better than this. what, did you forget that VE and I were in wheel of fortune too? Ace's Scum 101: get town to lynch people for being bad rather than for being scum. I mean, I may be bad but I'm not stupid. On August 04 2012 17:47 wherebugsgo wrote:
also no, obviously I think all the other lynch candidates are inferior.
Why should we resort to trusting a vig to shoot grush? How do we even know if we have a vig? This sort of stuff really pisses me off, because it delays the inevitable. On August 04 2012 09:00 wherebugsgo wrote:
Your basic assumption that outing masons in this game is antitown is flawed. I already pointed that out when...oh, I dunno, I called you bad several times for thinking it.
If you out masons then you pressure them. Zephirdd was 100% correct on why I did it (and if he's scum that was a pretty brilliant play by him). The goal is to distinguish the town masons from the scum masons via their handing of the pressure.
Also it has the side effect of scaring mafia masons into potentially not using their roles if they fear they will instantly be outted and put in a small pool of players for scrutiny. Playing like Ace only works when you're Ace and always play like Ace. On August 03 2012 20:59 wherebugsgo wrote:
1. Being a mason isn't alignment indicative (therefore outting a mason is rather worthless)
Town wbg would realize that this logic is terrible. Town wbg wouldn't give multiple different explanations for outing masons on day 1 without discussing it with them and without participating with the town discussion of whether masons should claim. (for reference, those explanations were "because VE and I are good and this way medics might medic us", and "to pressure the masons") Town wbg wouldn't try to lead a lynch on a bad player just for being bad, without making a case, etc. This isn't town wbg. ##vote: wherebugsgo Number 1: I did not give multiple explanations for outting the masons. I gave one. I don't see how you asserting that I gave multiple explanations is an indication that I did. Secondly, I don't give a fuck about mason discussion in this game because it's a waste of time. Masons can claim and it has absolutely no bearing on their alignment. This isn't like the setups I run where claiming actually matters significantly because they're almost certainly confirmed town. Third, how is being a mason not being alignment indicative (a fucking fact of the setup) "terrible logic"? Fourth, there is absolutely something wrong with you if you think I am a better lynch than grush. Grush is playing to his LVI meta. If you don't care to read LVI, then you can continue being bad. Also, I'm not voting grush for being bad. He's going to be bad regardless of his alignment, but I've already pointed out how as town he doesn't actually troll this hard, unless he's somehow become even worse than he already was.
Yes, your point on grush:
On August 04 2012 08:52 wherebugsgo wrote:
Let's kill grush. As long as he trolls he's a detriment and certainly the only thing he actually does as scum is troll. Pretty sure given his first post he's not town this game, just as he wasn't in LV.
I would strongly suggest to anyone who gets masoned to out the person who masoned them from now on. If both Eran and VE are town then the likelihood of a third mason being town is incredibly low. Thus if there is a scum mason they'd be unlikely to use it (win for us). I'm pretty sure both VE and Eran are town (for now). In particular Eran is almost certainly town because he really wants me to prove I'm town (encouraging me to get on skype, for example) something I don't think he'd do as scum. Anyone voting for him right now (Jingle) needs to also read his posts. Some of the logic might be bad but that doesn't make Eran scum.
##vote grush57
That's not a point.
I'm not lynching someone because you say his first post is so weird that it alone (wtf) is enough to be sure he has to be mafia.
Come on.
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at the time it was his only post in the game, and it fit his mafia meta.
All his posts since then have simply affirmed that.
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On August 04 2012 20:04 wherebugsgo wrote:
at the time it was his only post in the game, and it fit his mafia meta.
All his posts since then have simply affirmed that.
I usually don't say "his only post he did so far makes it clear he is X" nevertheless.
However I'm checking for grushs town games give me a sec.
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SSB-64 Mafia, the one I hosted:
On July 03 2012 11:06 grush57 wrote:
##Vote: HomerunBat
GEEET HIM
On July 04 2012 03:20 grush57 wrote:
gg iGrok talismania scum team. NICE SLIGHT PRESSURE U TWO!
##Unvote: HomerunBat
##Vote: IGrok
What's the difference between those posts from SSB-64 and the one post you quoted that made you instantly think the guy has to be mafia?
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I didn't play in SSB64. However if we're going to cherry pick quotes then look at these from LV (town)
On May 28 2012 01:02 grush57 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 27 2012 23:30 Toadesstern wrote:
idk, my last 2 games I was preeeetty hard owning as town.
Cool. Show nested quote +On May 27 2012 23:30 Toadesstern wrote:
idk, my last 2 games I was preeeetty hard owning as town.
In Storm I gave a list with 5 names of possible mafias which ended up including 3 mafias although VE ended up being MVP that game because he somehow managed to get an even better list making a list of 4 or 5 people that included all 4 mafias (if I remember correclty). In C9++ #2 I said #1 mafia is either A or B, #2 mafia is C, #3 mafia is either D or E while saying everyone else is surely town and it ended up being A, C and E.
Okay, getting 3 out of 5 mafia right isn't an achievement. In LIV, I predicted a lot of the mafia aswell even though I was the "scum mvp" Show nested quote +On May 27 2012 23:30 Toadesstern wrote:
So yeah I am quite confident that I'll lynch into a mafia d1 right now. Really, right now with 24 townies and NO solid cases you are confident to hit a scum? Go back to Irk.
and LVI (scum)
On July 05 2012 02:21 grush57 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 05 2012 00:08 Twelve wrote:
I agree with Kitana and the causualman lynch.
##vote: casualman YES LETS SHEEP A USELESS PLAYER THAT WILL GIVE US TOWNIES NO INFO AND WASTE A WHOLE CYCLE. U CRAY CRAY. oR MAYBE YOUR SCUM. HMM HMMHMHMHMHMMHMHMHMHMHMHMHMHMMHMHMHMHMHMHMHMH All you have to think, and scum will fall! ##Unvote: Vivax##Vote: Twelve
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