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On August 04 2012 21:55 wherebugsgo wrote:
How the flying fuck am I trolling?
On May 07 2012 07:24 wherebugsgo wrote:
I'll give you some examples: from my past games, the only times I have trolled for extended periods of time with no real change in play were when I was scum. All the other times, if I have ever trolled/brought attention to myself it was either a gambit or out of exasperation with the game. Since then I've realized that gambiting is to be used rarely and that it often doesn't work as town. Voting yourself, for example, is a stupid way to establish yourself as town because anyone can do it (any scum with balls will do it) and it doesn't reveal anything about your alignment. It doesn't further discussion; it in fact impedes it, and it doesn't help find scum; it goes against it.
Examples:
In LoTR I pretended to only be interested in the ring for the first 24 hours of the day. In the second half of the day I basically attacked anyone who unreasonably focused on me solely because of that. My target of the day was DrH, who ended up being mafia godfather (and I was shot n1). I was town.
In Storm I was mafia and saw that if I was loud enough, and because town was not playing well, I could just scream and yell and troll all I wanted about players' misplays that I could get any lynch I wanted. In that game I would estimate over half my posts were either useless one liners or gifs/jokes/troll posts. Yet, my team managed to get 3 lynches straight on townies; what does that tell you? I was under a lot of attention the entire time as well, because my play was borderline suicidal. Town caught on after lynching my scumbuddy (and even early game because of my disruption I was suspected) That game taught me that playing in that manner may be good if you want to gather the sheep, but often they'll only be willing to go for other disruptive people. For the most part that means they'll kill the loudest townies for a few days before realizing the error in their ways.
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I never said you were trolling
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On August 04 2012 08:51 BroodKingEXE wrote:
wtf?
hey there. What about your opinion?
You're reading the thread. When we had a modkill you insta-delurked within 3 minutes and posted this.
It's still the only post you did since this game started.
Thoughts?
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Wbg: grush scum meta isn't to troll. His meta overall just doesn't make any sense. I played with him in Newbie XVI(where you actually coached me a bit so you maybe remember that as well). He made posts like this all the time and even claimed detective. Guess what? He was VT.
Lynching grush today is essentially a coinflip. I will not lynch into him today.
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On August 04 2012 22:52 Lazermonkey wrote:
Wbg: grush scum meta isn't to troll. His meta overall just doesn't make any sense. I played with him in Newbie XVI(where you actually coached me a bit so you maybe remember that as well). He made posts like this all the time and even claimed detective. Guess what? He was VT.
Lynching grush today is essentially a coinflip. I will not lynch into him today.
So what exactly do you intend to do. Do you agree about WBG?
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On August 04 2012 22:52 Lazermonkey wrote:
Wbg: grush scum meta isn't to troll. His meta overall just doesn't make any sense. I played with him in Newbie XVI(where you actually coached me a bit so you maybe remember that as well). He made posts like this all the time and even claimed detective. Guess what? He was VT.
Lynching grush today is essentially a coinflip. I will not lynch into him today.
what the flying fuck. If there is any day that lynching a troll player is good, it's day 1. Even if the information is low, the fact is that we get rid of a controversial, harmful player.
Okay, people on this town are CRAZY. I don't know where you guys are getting that wbg is playing scum. This is motherfucking wherebugsgo we are talking about. You know, the one bugs that would destroy everyone here if he was scum. Do you guys really think you found a scum on him so fucking early into the game?
Whoever is talking about "veterans" list, I really don't get it. The vets aren't just VE/prpl/bugs/erandorr. If anything, there is also me, sloosh, BKEXE(where are you bro?), Toad, talismania, ghost_403(another one I'm yet to hear from)... We aren't new players. We have plenty of experience with TL already. Why would you go into process of elimination only on these first four? That's ridiculous.
Secondly, every single argument is the same argument over and over: town arguing with town that the game should be played certain way. Nothing wbg has said is scum-indicative. He outed 2 masons, where a scum could simply hide them and kill them. The counter argument to that? Pure fucking WIFOM. VE wouldn't breadcumb wbg, that's fucking bullshit. Even if he did, his death wouldn't instantly point towards wbg because there are reasons to shoot VE n1(he is a vet for instance).
You guys are CRAZY.
On August 04 2012 10:16 CountDropula wrote:Show nested quote +On August 04 2012 08:59 Zephirdd wrote:On August 04 2012 08:19 CountDropula wrote:On August 03 2012 10:41 Zephirdd wrote:On August 03 2012 10:36 JingleHell wrote:On August 03 2012 10:34 prplhz wrote:
And we're off.
This is a 23 player game and I will not be able to handle it if there is a 130 page spamfest between a couple of people before night1. Seriously, condense your god damn posting. That said, there's also a couple of new/newer people on the list. You guys remember to post your thoughts and stuff on the game. No one here bites. Do you bite if we ask nicely? Zephirdd, don't you think there's danger of an early bandwagon voting with no cause like that? It's hard to defend yourself against a vote for no reason. FoS Zephirdd What. If you really think an early bandwagon would come from a vote like that, then you are silly. He doesn't even have to defend himself against non-existant accusations. ##unvote
##vote JingleHell Zephirdd's change from one unfounded vote to another tells me that 1. He doesn't care who is lynched 2. He doesn't feel comfortable dealing with pressure, so he fires back on jinglehell counterproductively. On August 03 2012 20:02 Zephirdd wrote:
Masoned players should claim IMO.
masons themselves shouldn't unless that would save his life.
toad, why improvise? Are you feeling some kind of pressure that stops you from making a decent post? On August 03 2012 20:27 Zephirdd wrote:
What you said makes sense. Mason'd people shouldnt claim :s
wbg mason does sound scary too
Another example of an unsubstantiated position-taking. After a legit response from toad, another switch. He sounds way too meek in the latter quote. Any objections/further evidence backed by specific evidence? Cause I'm leaning toward voting zephirdd. I just noticed this gem. Finally that paid off. Let me explain it to you. It was 5min into the game. I didn't even bother casting those votes on the voting thread. Why? Because they didn't matter, and I'd change them later anyway. It's not that I don't care, it's just that by creating a stupid vote, you take reactions from people. People like you, who is trying to take something as silly as that as an excuse to vote me, when in fact there is nothing there that makes me scum. I'm not afraid of having opinions change, as no town should be. My opinions did change quickly - and that's pretty damn common for a town player. You are creating bullshit reasoning to jump into the wagon easily. Nice first post scum. ##unvote (talismania)
##vote CountDropula Your burst of emotion is suspicious. If your play in the first 5 min paid off, why are you continuing the same behavior in the very response where you out it to the thread? Isn't it over? You never mentioned my second point in your response. I'm not the only one who is suspicious of you, but I don't know about a bandwagon. Just give everyone some concrete defense, we will determine that you are green, and this won't take up any more time.
Second point? what? "He doesn't feel comfortable dealing with pressure"? Pff
You mean the fact that I insta-voted JH? Pretty much because he was the first to attack my random vote on prplhz. That's all to make people react, and see if stupid scum will fall for it. Pretty much the same as when someone claims vanilla townie on his first post of the game.
Geez, so easy to catch newb scum like you :> You are newb scum right?
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United Kingdom10823 Posts
Bugs, from the way it looks to me, you're annoyed about something that's happened in the logs between you and Eran. Can you post them here? I think it's valuable information
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Calling it now:
WBG or Prplhz
Talis
Zephirdd
Ghost403
+ some 5th guy, maybe the smurf idk
the logs between WBG and Eran would indeed give a good idea about wether it's WBG or Prplhz.
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why the either/or? vet balance concerns or what?
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Yeaaaaaah, I'm not buying a WBG lynch today.
You really want to lynch someone who, even if you don't agree with his play, has reasons for his actions and explains himself, over this?
On August 04 2012 07:50 grush57 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 04 2012 07:49 BioSC wrote:On August 04 2012 07:48 grush57 wrote:
NONONONO MAFIA REFLECTED THE HEAT FROM WBG TO ZEPH
##Vote: Wherebugsgo Pretty bold first post there, care to state your findings? THE STARSENSES, THEY ARE COOOOMMING TOO MEEE
Yeah, not buying it.
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On August 05 2012 00:18 strongandbig wrote:
why the either/or? vet balance concerns or what?
Nah could actually be both being mafia as well. It's more like "one of them has to be mafia"
I actually considered Prplhz to be the better lynch candidate yesterday but as people seem to think WBG is scummy like I do and at the same time don't seem to agree on prplhz (except for WBG) I'm a bit more okay with lynching WBG first. I guess I'm paranoid right now because there's so much stuff that makes no sense 
If WBG really flips town we at least know his assertion on prplhz being 95% sure mafia was honest, while people like me think the same way.
If WBG flips mafia I'll have to check wether WBG was just trying to gett off the hook or doing something else.
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On August 05 2012 00:23 BioSC wrote:Yeaaaaaah, I'm not buying a WBG lynch today. You really want to lynch someone who, even if you don't agree with his play, has reasons for his actions and explains himself, over this? Show nested quote +On August 04 2012 07:50 grush57 wrote:On August 04 2012 07:49 BioSC wrote:On August 04 2012 07:48 grush57 wrote:
NONONONO MAFIA REFLECTED THE HEAT FROM WBG TO ZEPH
##Vote: Wherebugsgo Pretty bold first post there, care to state your findings? THE STARSENSES, THEY ARE COOOOMMING TOO MEEE Yeah, not buying it.
No, you are not getting away with piece of shit posting like this.
Explain to us where you stand on wbg. And no, saying "he is explaining himself" does not cut it. Read everything we have written about him and give us your opinion on why you think he deserves to live.
Then read strongandbigs points about grush earlier.
Then come back and explain your choice
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that's a drastic oversimplification, biosc.
Here's why I think wbg is scum:
When he's town he explains things, doesn't gambit, and doesn't draw attention to himself for no reason with stunts. In this game, he hasn't explained himself in a satisfactory way - and the explanations he has given don't hold up whatsoever.
His reasons for outing the masons don't hold up. If he wanted mafia to have to wifom before shooting him, there was really no reason he needed to claim mason; he could have just played super townie, which he is definitely capable of doing, and then called for medic protection. His claim to be "pressuring" ve by outing him doesn't match his thread behavior, where he didn't pressure ve at all or even make him post more than once or twice. And his claim to be "deterring potential scum masons from masoning people in the future" doesn't hold up either, unless everyone agrees to out more masons in the future; in order for this tactic to work he would have to persuade everyone that outing masons is good in general and he hasn't even tried to do that.
Additionally, I would count this "instantly outing masons" thing as a gambit of the second order - and bugs has frequently said not to gambit as town. It's not in his town meta.
Next, both with the outing of the masons and with his self-voting, public insults, and flame-war with erandorr, he's drawing attention to himself in a way that isn't consistent with his town play.
Finally, there's the grush thing. Usually when town-wbg tries to lead a lynch, it's with reasons and explanation as well as the insults. This one had jack shit of that until he was pushed on it, and then when he was pushed on it the best he could come up with was more insults plus an example of one game where grush trolled.
Yeah so that's why wbg is scum. Vote for him.
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Like, if it weren't for his ridiculous claim to magically know grush's alignment after only one post I might buy all the frustration. In fact, I do buy the frustration stuff - I bet WBG really does think eranorr is that stupid and really is that frustrated. But the thing is, that's also not alignment indicative. Scum can get just as frustrated as townies when they get lynched for reasons they think are dumb.
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I'm like really hungover and I can't read anything right now. wherebugsgo looks townie enough though and I don't want to lynch him. grush57 lynch looks like an okay lynch.
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So I'm reading bugs' filter, and I'm getting more and more pissed off. Like where the fuck do you get off, man - it's day fucking one, you pull some shit and people think you're scum - what a surprise! That doesn't give you license to ragequit, call the thread retarded and stupid, try to kill yourself, if that really is what you're doing. You have one guy pissing at you in PMs, can you really not handle that? Seriously, what the fuck.
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@ Strongandbig
Erandorr just masoned me. Dunno if he's scum or just dumb though.
Also I didn't ask either of them before outting them.
I would like your opinion. From a town POV, why would wbg call me scum or dumb if I mason him?
He assumes a town Mason must be dumb to mason him, because he instantly outs them. He said later that outing town masons is also pro town, because it forces Scum to shoot suboptimally. And obviously because a town mason has nothing to fear from pressure. So there is absolutely no reason to call a town mason dumb for masoning him, unless he knows that his move fucks town masons over.
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Oh also I am not pissing at him in PMs. He is making it sound like that , isn't he?
I was still trying to ask him questions after he called me worthless for the 30th time.
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On August 05 2012 00:56 Erandorr wrote:
Oh also I am not pissing at him in PMs. He is making it sound like that , isn't he?
I was still trying to ask him questions after he called me worthless for the 30th time.
post the logs
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The way I see it about bugs right now, two things come to mind:
1. Bugs is getting annoyed for a genuine reason in the mason.
2. Bugs is getting annoyed for the sake of getting annoyed.
I'm leaning towards the latter right now, but I'd like to see the logs to see if there's a real reason for him being annoyed, but it still doesn't explain his mason play.
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