Mad Men Mafia - Page 28

Hassybaby

United Kingdom10823 Posts

August 04 2012 18:32 GMT

#541

OK, I was expecting Eran to at least post the log by now. I don't see any reason for a town player to not post the logs in this situation since it reinforces the point they're claiming.

Gonna vote bugs. To me he started off being aggressive for the sake of being aggressive, and never followed through. His mason outing doesn't make sense to me, and again I think he's being annoyed for the sake of being annoyed, and he's not shown anything to convince me otherwise.

##Vote: Wherebugsgo

slOosh

3291 Posts

August 04 2012 18:35 GMT

#542

Hey BioSC I just want this clarified before the deadline:
You aren't lynching WBG solely because grush57 is worse, and not in the scummy sense but just as an overall player? If we had a double lynch / grush was replaced or something, would you lynch WBG or would you just default to another lurker?

Because right now all I see is you don't want to vote WBG even as you concede that he is scummy / suspicious.

JingleHell

United States11308 Posts

August 04 2012 18:35 GMT

#543

So why are we just letting Erandorr fly here? Sorry, I still don't see it. I mean, to prove you're a doctor, do you say "Hey scum, try to NK X tonight so I can save them and prove I'm doctor"? Fuck no, that's idiotic.

That's exactly what Erandorr did with his mason on WBG, and I think it's scummy as shit.

slOosh

3291 Posts

August 04 2012 18:37 GMT

#544

Hey Erandorr could be scum, but WBG's alignment isn't solely tied with Erandorr's alignment. We are not "letting him fly", we are discussing WBG, and he is the lynch candidate to consider. If you think he is town than discuss that.

VisceraEyes

United States21170 Posts

August 04 2012 18:44 GMT

#545

Okay, everyone STOP.

This lynch on WBG is not happening.

Having PMed with him, I'm NOT of the opinion that he's scum and I think we should focus on other, actually scummy candidates. You guys are WIFOMing this lynch to shit.

I fully support a talis lynch upon rereading. He literally asked for a NAMECLAIM from everyone guys. LITERALLY.

##Vote: talismania

I think Bugs is town. I don't want to lynch him. slOosh, you in particular I want to hear more reasoning from. Your only gripe with him seems to be his read on prplhz - so...because you disagree with his read he's scum? Really?

I don't like a grush lynch today either - it feels like a copout. But I totally can see a town Bugs wanting to lynch grush today. Grush was a key factor in the scum victory in LVI, for the same shit he's exhibiting now. However, I agree that we should give our vigs a chance to take care of him. We should be aiming for people we specifically think are scum, and for me that's not wherebugsgo.

BioSC

United States636 Posts

August 04 2012 18:49 GMT

#546

On August 05 2012 03:35 slOosh wrote:
Hey BioSC I just want this clarified before the deadline:
You aren't lynching WBG solely because grush57 is worse, and not in the scummy sense but just as an overall player? If we had a double lynch / grush was replaced or something, would you lynch WBG or would you just default to another lurker?

Because right now all I see is you don't want to vote WBG even as you concede that he is scummy / suspicious.

What I want is people to at least discuss the fact that no one wants to talk about Grush because he's "Always Useless". In a game where votes matter and reasons for voting are just as important, we are letting him get away with doing nothing because its easy to just let him be useless and not discuss it.

Obviously, I'm in the minority with regards to Grush. I can see that. I just don't want this game to devolve into letting people post like that with no questions whatsoever.

Yes, I can see how people thought he was scummy. His handling of the mason discussion could have been better. I was withholding my vote to see if Errandor/Bugs would post their mason logs. As of yet, it hasn't happened. I'm just saying that perhaps there are better targets than him.

slOosh

3291 Posts

August 04 2012 18:49 GMT

#547

VE what are you talking about? If you would please point out where exactly you have a problem with my posts I'd be happy to address them, because if you read my prior posts I agree that prplhz is scum ...

Erandorr

2283 Posts

August 04 2012 18:49 GMT

#548

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[04.08.12 12:58:20] WBG: if you're town
[04.08.12 12:58:24] WBG: don't ever play mafia again
[04.08.12 12:58:26] WBG: you're fucking awful
[04.08.12 12:58:45] WBG: just because I've happened to roll mafia the only times you've been town, doesn't mean you have any way of actually reading my alignment.
[04.08.12 12:58:50] WBG: calling me scum every game is not being correct
[04.08.12 12:58:52] WBG: it's just calling me scum
[04.08.12 12:58:57] ME: its not about that bro
[04.08.12 12:59:04] WBG: as for now, you're obviously wrong
[04.08.12 12:59:06] WBG: and since you can't admit it
[04.08.12 12:59:07] ME: its about you playing like complete dogshit
[04.08.12 12:59:13] WBG: you're either just obsessed with calling me scum or you're bad
[04.08.12 12:59:15] WBG: no
[04.08.12 12:59:19] WBG: your arguments have no weight
[04.08.12 12:59:22] WBG: I've already refuted them
[04.08.12 12:59:27] ME: no you have not
[04.08.12 12:59:33] WBG: ok
[04.08.12 12:59:33] ME: you are playing like shit
[04.08.12 12:59:34] WBG: go ahead
[04.08.12 12:59:35] WBG: and
[04.08.12 12:59:36] ME: your logic is really bad
[04.08.12 12:59:38] WBG: rehash them
[04.08.12 12:59:40] WBG: you complain
[04.08.12 12:59:42] WBG: that I attack players
[04.08.12 12:59:46] WBG: when you're just calling me bad
[04.08.12 12:59:48] WBG: that's your entire argument
[04.08.12 12:59:49] ME: no
[04.08.12 12:59:52] WBG: "you're playing like dogshit"
[04.08.12 12:59:53] WBG: not a scumtel;l
[04.08.12 12:59:57] WBG: in fact my play is not bad either
[04.08.12 13:00:00] WBG: you haven't shown how it is bad
[04.08.12 13:00:05] ME: dude
[04.08.12 13:00:06] ME: rofl
[04.08.12 13:00:09] WBG: in fact you're just tunneling
[04.08.12 13:00:11] WBG: like a retard
[04.08.12 13:00:22] WBG: because you don't know how to scumhunt
[04.08.12 13:00:26] WBG: you don't know what to look for
[04.08.12 13:00:46] WBG: outting masons in this setup is not a scumtell
[04.08.12 13:00:52] WBG: because it puts them under pressure
[04.08.12 13:00:59] WBG: that's something townies should welcome
[04.08.12 13:00:59] ME: yo bugs
[04.08.12 13:01:01] WBG: and something mafia hate
[04.08.12 13:01:03] ME: here is something you could do
[04.08.12 13:01:11] ME: TALK TO THE FUCKING MASONS IN PMS
[04.08.12 13:01:14] ME: AND PRESSURE THEM LIKE THAT
[04.08.12 13:01:17] WBG: what the fuck
[04.08.12 13:01:18] ME: if you are town
[04.08.12 13:01:19] WBG: am I doing right now then
[04.08.12 13:01:25] WBG: yes you can ALSO OUT THEM IN THE THREAD
[04.08.12 13:01:27] WBG: that's more pressure
[04.08.12 13:01:29] WBG: than the PMs itself
[04.08.12 13:01:32] ME: after the shit comes down on you
[04.08.12 13:01:35] WBG: if I'm just going to talk to them in PMs
[04.08.12 13:01:37] WBG: and it was scum who messaged me
[04.08.12 13:01:44] WBG: aren't I simply fulfilling what they wanted in the first place?
[04.08.12 13:01:50] WBG: why would they mason me if not to PM me?
[04.08.12 13:02:03] WBG: do you realize now
[04.08.12 13:02:03] ME: pms go both ways
[04.08.12 13:02:05] ME: wtf
[04.08.12 13:02:06] WBG: it's YOUR logic that's shit?
[04.08.12 13:02:11] ME: are you
[04.08.12 13:02:12] ME: actually serious?
[04.08.12 13:02:22] WBG: man
[04.08.12 13:02:26] WBG: do you not remember SS mafia
[04.08.12 13:02:31] WBG: you remember
[04.08.12 13:02:34] WBG: how fucking close to sandro I was
[04.08.12 13:02:42] WBG: if mafia CHOOSE to PM someone
[04.08.12 13:02:45] WBG: they WANT to pm them
[04.08.12 13:02:49] WBG: they're not going to fucking slip in PMs
[04.08.12 13:02:49] ME: SS mafia
[04.08.12 13:02:56] WBG: they only slip when the PMs are forced
[04.08.12 13:03:11] ME: which one was it
[04.08.12 13:03:19] WBG: the one with 300 town items
[04.08.12 13:03:24] WBG: and aliens
[04.08.12 13:03:32] ME: the one where you got killed
[04.08.12 13:03:42] ME: cause you fucked up as scum?
[04.08.12 13:03:57] ME: okay sry i just thought that was funny
[04.08.12 13:04:03] ME: well the thing is
[04.08.12 13:04:10] WBG: man my entire team got killed
[04.08.12 13:04:13] WBG: because we had no powers
[04.08.12 13:04:16] ME: you outing the masons is completely terrible
[04.08.12 13:04:16] WBG: but that's not the issue
[04.08.12 13:04:20] WBG: I was confirmed town to sandro
[04.08.12 13:04:23] WBG: no
[04.08.12 13:04:26] WBG: you THINK IT'S TERRIBLE
[04.08.12 13:04:27] WBG: that's not a fuckign scumtell
[04.08.12 13:04:30] WBG: and here you go
[04.08.12 13:04:32] WBG: contradicting yourself
[04.08.12 13:04:35] WBG: you say I'm scummy
[04.08.12 13:04:37] WBG: for calling people bad
[04.08.12 13:04:38] WBG: then you call me scummy
[04.08.12 13:04:39] ME: no
[04.08.12 13:04:40] ME: let me fuckint talk
[04.08.12 13:04:41] WBG: because you think I'm bad
[04.08.12 13:04:42] ME: for a second
[04.08.12 13:04:43] WBG: you can't
[04.08.12 13:04:44] WBG: even
[04.08.12 13:04:44] WBG: fucking
[04.08.12 13:04:48] WBG: read your own thoughts
[04.08.12 13:04:49] ME: jesus wbg
[04.08.12 13:04:51] WBG: you're so retarded
[04.08.12 13:04:51] ME: hang on for a second
[04.08.12 13:04:54] ME: shhhh
[04.08.12 13:04:55] WBG: no
[04.08.12 13:04:55] ME: calm down
[04.08.12 13:04:58] WBG: you're awful
[04.08.12 13:05:00] WBG: at this game
[04.08.12 13:05:01] ME: rofl
[04.08.12 13:05:05] WBG: and it makes me not want to play
[04.08.12 13:05:07] ME: duuude
[04.08.12 13:05:08] WBG: with the likes of you
[04.08.12 13:05:08] ME: shhh
[04.08.12 13:05:11] WBG: cause I have to defend myself
[04.08.12 13:05:17] WBG: against bunches of horseshit
[04.08.12 13:05:17] ME: you have to defend yourself
[04.08.12 13:05:21] ME: for being afk
[04.08.12 13:05:23] ME: for 1.5 days
[04.08.12 13:05:28] WBG: yes
[04.08.12 13:05:30] WBG: because I have fucking finals
[04.08.12 13:05:34] ME: and then posting a case
[04.08.12 13:05:36] WBG: that has absolutely nothing to do with the game at all
[04.08.12 13:05:39] ME: about grush
[04.08.12 13:05:41] ME: thats meh
[04.08.12 13:05:42] WBG: yes
[04.08.12 13:05:47] WBG: BECAUSE GRUSH IS A FUCKING TERRIBLE MAFIA PLAYER
[04.08.12 13:05:50] WBG: the case is going to be one line
[04.08.12 13:05:53] WBG: his meta is to troll as scum
[04.08.12 13:05:58] WBG: and to actually put marginal effort as town
[04.08.12 13:05:58] ME: he may be scum but its also a really really easy one
[04.08.12 13:06:00] WBG: go fucking look at lvi
[04.08.12 13:06:07] WBG: it's day 1
[04.08.12 13:06:13] WBG: the most likely person to flip scum
[04.08.12 13:06:18] WBG: is the guy PLAYING TO HIS SCUM META
[04.08.12 13:06:20] WBG: jesus
[04.08.12 13:06:27] WBG: you don't try to kill the scum vet on d1
[04.08.12 13:06:30] WBG: cause that will never happen
[04.08.12 13:06:34] WBG: you'll just end up killing some bad townie
[04.08.12 13:06:36] ME: you are playing to your scum meta
[04.08.12 13:06:45] WBG: you don't even fucking know my scum meta
[04.08.12 13:06:50] WBG: in fact no one does
[04.08.12 13:06:55] WBG: everyone just claims to know
[04.08.12 13:07:01] WBG: but they just talk bullshit
[04.08.12 13:07:25] WBG: name one thing
[04.08.12 13:07:29] WBG: that defines my scum meta?
[04.08.12 13:07:32] WBG: what do I do when I'm scum?
[04.08.12 13:07:36] ME: you make sense as town
[04.08.12 13:07:44] WBG: I make sense as scum too
[04.08.12 13:07:45] WBG: fail
[04.08.12 13:07:54] WBG: go look at storm mafia
[04.08.12 13:08:03] WBG: I led four lynches because townies agreed with my logic
[04.08.12 13:08:18] WBG: same in Mini X, a game you were in
[04.08.12 13:08:21] ME: yes
[04.08.12 13:08:25] ME: where i didnt call you mafia btw
[04.08.12 13:08:31] ME: even when you were
[04.08.12 13:08:34] ME: think about that for a second
[04.08.12 13:08:42] ME: when you claim i call you scum every game
[04.08.12 13:08:47] ME: which isnt even true rofl
[04.08.12 13:08:50] WBG: you have
called me scum every game
[04.08.12 13:08:52] WBG: except for that one
[04.08.12 13:09:02] ME: BECAUSE YOU WERE SCUM EVERY GAME EXCEPT THAT ONE
[04.08.12 13:09:03] WBG: actually I don't even r emember
[04.08.12 13:09:04] WBG: if you did
[04.08.12 13:09:05] ME: ITS NOT FUCKING MAGIC
[04.08.12 13:09:21] ME: rofl wbg
[04.08.12 13:09:22] WBG: so what gmae
[04.08.12 13:09:24] WBG: have we played together
[04.08.12 13:09:26] WBG: in which I was town?
[04.08.12 13:09:29] WBG: tell me that
[04.08.12 13:09:29] ME: i really hope this is
[04.08.12 13:09:36] WBG: really
[04.08.12 13:09:37] ME: you being scum and trying to convince me
[04.08.12 13:09:39] WBG: are you that fuckign stupid
[04.08.12 13:09:43] WBG: now you're just
[04.08.12 13:09:44] ME: cause if it isnt im kind of sad
[04.08.12 13:09:45] WBG: failing
[04.08.12 13:09:50] WBG: by using
[04.08.12 13:09:52] WBG: confirmation bias
[04.08.12 13:09:53] WBG: you're using things
[04.08.12 13:09:56] WBG: to convince yourself
[04.08.12 13:09:58] WBG: that you're right
[04.08.12 13:10:02] WBG: when it's not evidence in the first place
[04.08.12 13:10:09] WBG: which game have I played with you
[04.08.12 13:10:11] WBG: that I was town?
[04.08.12 13:10:22] ME: dont remember but thats not important actually
[04.08.12 13:10:26] ME: just answer a couple of questions
[04.08.12 13:10:32] ME: without being angry and objectivly
[04.08.12 13:10:36] ME: and we shall see okay?
[04.08.12 13:11:00] ME: 1. Being a mason isn't alignment indicative (therefore outting a mason is rather worthless)

2. The playerbase of this game will not understand stuff unless it's obviously stated.

3. If we are both town then mafia will strongly consider shooting one of us. Which means that we will make good protects. Which means that it potentially forces mafia to shoot suboptimally.
[04.08.12 13:11:02] ME: you posted that
[04.08.12 13:11:06] ME: as explanation
[04.08.12 13:11:07] WBG: also
[04.08.12 13:11:08] ME: early on
[04.08.12 13:11:11] WBG: you did call me mafia in Mini X
[04.08.12 13:11:13] WBG: so
[04.08.12 13:11:15] ME: well you were mafia
[04.08.12 13:11:20] WBG: go fuck yourself
[04.08.12 13:11:23] WBG: you can't have it both ways
[04.08.12 13:11:23] ME: no
[04.08.12 13:11:25] WBG: dumbass
[04.08.12 13:11:26] ME: shut up and lets talk
[04.08.12 13:11:28] WBG: you can't say
[04.08.12 13:11:31] WBG: "OH YOU'RE A LIAR"
[04.08.12 13:11:34] WBG: and then turn aroudn and say
[04.08.12 13:11:37] WBG: "BUT YOU WERE MAFIA ANYAWY"
[04.08.12 13:11:41] ME: rofl
[04.08.12 13:11:44] WBG: that's just derpage
[04.08.12 13:11:45] ME: i didnt go after you
[04.08.12 13:11:47] ME: and you know that
[04.08.12 13:11:52] WBG: yes you did
[04.08.12 13:11:57] WBG: what the fuck was the point of bringing it up then
[04.08.12 13:12:01] ME: not after day 2 i think
[04.08.12 13:12:02] ME: i went after other people
[04.08.12 13:12:07] WBG: you were dead
[04.08.12 13:12:19] ME: but i went for others not you
[04.08.12 13:12:21] ME: before that
[04.08.12 13:12:29] ME: i mean really going after them not just somehow calling u scum
[04.08.12 13:12:32] ME: also shut the fuck up
[04.08.12 13:12:33] ME: lets talk about this game
[04.08.12 13:12:34] WBG: I saidy
[04.08.12 13:12:38] WBG: you call me scum
[04.08.12 13:12:38] WBG: every game
[04.08.12 13:12:39] ME: and answer some questions
[04.08.12 13:12:41] WBG: how is that false
[04.08.12 13:12:46] WBG: you haven't answered my
[04.08.12 13:12:48] WBG: very simple question
[04.08.12 13:12:51] WBG: of when was I town with you
[04.08.12 13:13:06] ME: where you ever town with me?
[04.08.12 13:13:07] WBG: because honestly
[04.08.12 13:13:11] WBG: you're so bad
[04.08.12 13:13:12] WBG: at scumhunting
[04.08.12 13:13:16] WBG: talking to you will be worthless
[04.08.12 13:13:19] WBG: I already know you're probably town
[04.08.12 13:13:34] WBG: everything else is stupid because you already disagree with lynching grush
[04.08.12 13:13:45] ME: what makes you say that?
[04.08.12 13:13:53] ME: there is a chance that he may be scum
[04.08.12 13:13:57] ME: its just that you are scum
[04.08.12 13:14:01] ME: so its kind of easier to kill you
[04.08.12 13:14:02] WBG: so why
[04.08.12 13:14:07] WBG: would I consider talking to you
[04.08.12 13:14:10] WBG: when all you do
[04.08.12 13:14:12] WBG: is call me scum?
[04.08.12 13:14:12] ME: because
[04.08.12 13:14:15] WBG: why the fuck
[04.08.12 13:14:16] ME: i tried to talk normally
[04.08.12 13:14:18] WBG: would I do anything
[04.08.12 13:14:18] ME: to you
[04.08.12 13:14:18] ME: 10 seconds ago
[04.08.12 13:14:22] WBG: no
[04.08.12 13:14:24] WBG: you're bad
[04.08.12 13:14:24] ME: and all you did was insult me more
[04.08.12 13:14:27] WBG: you call me scum repeatedly
[04.08.12 13:14:27] ME: exactly
[04.08.12 13:14:28] WBG: yes
[04.08.12 13:14:29] WBG: because you are bad
[04.08.12 13:14:33] WBG: and you can't even see
[04.08.12 13:14:33] ME: every time i try to ask you quesitons
[04.08.12 13:14:35] WBG: your own failures
[04.08.12 13:14:37] ME: you do this
[04.08.12 13:14:38] WBG: when I point them out to you
[04.08.12 13:14:45] WBG: BECAUSE YOU DON'T READ YOUR OWN THOUGHTS
[04.08.12 13:14:45] ME: well then just calm down a second
[04.08.12 13:14:47] WBG: if you can't
[04.08.12 13:14:50] WBG: understand yourself
[04.08.12 13:14:56] WBG: then the only true path
[04.08.12 13:14:57] WBG: is to tell you
[04.08.12 13:15:00] WBG: to go read newbie guides
[04.08.12 13:15:06] WBG: because if you think I am scum
[04.08.12 13:15:06] ME: shhh
[04.08.12 13:15:07] ME: bugsy
[04.08.12 13:15:09] ME: shhhhh
[04.08.12 13:15:12] WBG: there is no other explanation
[04.08.12 13:15:13] ME: let me talk for a second
[04.08.12 13:15:16] WBG: you're bad at this game
[04.08.12 13:15:18] WBG: go read some guides
[04.08.12 13:15:36] ME: shhh
[04.08.12 13:15:42] ME: let me ask you some factual questions
[04.08.12 13:15:43] ME: and answer them okay?
[04.08.12 13:15:47] ME: instead of dodging by calling me bad
[04.08.12 13:16:10] ME: 1. Being a mason isn't alignment indicative (therefore outting a mason is rather worthless)

2. The playerbase of this game will not understand stuff unless it's obviously stated.

3. If we are both town then mafia will strongly consider shooting one of us. Which means that we will make good protects. Which means that it potentially forces mafia to shoot suboptimally.
[04.08.12 13:16:14] ME: this was your explanation
[04.08.12 13:16:19] ME: okay couple of things
[04.08.12 13:16:31] ME: explain to me very slowly
[04.08.12 13:16:46] WBG: what the fuck is there to explain
[04.08.12 13:16:49] WBG: you haven't even asked anything
[04.08.12 13:16:53] ME: i was about to
[04.08.12 13:16:56] ME: when you started to shout
[04.08.12 13:17:01] ME: dont make this harder than it needs to
[04.08.12 13:17:15] WBG: if you haven't noticed
[04.08.12 13:17:18] WBG: I'm pretty fucking impatient
[04.08.12 13:17:19] WBG: with your shit
[04.08.12 13:17:26] ME: dont be a baby
[04.08.12 13:18:17] WBG: ASK YOUR GODDAMN QUESTION
[04.08.12 13:18:20] WBG: I don't have time for this shit
[04.08.12 13:18:25] ME: :D
[04.08.12 13:18:32] WBG: I need to study
[04.08.12 13:18:34] WBG: not fuck around
[04.08.12 13:18:36] ME: just again
[04.08.12 13:18:46] ME: how does outing masons force mafia to shoot badly
[04.08.12 13:18:55] WBG: because if they are town
[04.08.12 13:19:03] WBG: then mafia have to choose between shooting the masons
[04.08.12 13:19:09] WBG: or shooting someone who is less likely to be protected
[04.08.12 13:19:12] ME: well but
[04.08.12 13:19:16] ME: me for example
[04.08.12 13:19:16] WBG: between VE and myself everyone else on the roster is terrible at town
[04.08.12 13:19:19] WBG: therefore any other shot
[04.08.12 13:19:19] WBG: is bad
[04.08.12 13:19:26] ME: you call me fucking useless
[04.08.12 13:19:27] WBG: like if VE and I are town
[04.08.12 13:19:30] ME: yes good
[04.08.12 13:19:34] WBG: yes but if you are a town mason
[04.08.12 13:19:37] WBG: shooting a town mason
[04.08.12 13:19:41] WBG: is better than shooting a non town mason
[04.08.12 13:19:46] ME: not if mafia has any idea what they are doing
[04.08.12 13:19:51] WBG: so if we have 2 medics all they have to do is protect between 3 of us
[04.08.12 13:20:00] WBG: what, we force them do double stack?
[04.08.12 13:20:04] WBG: big fucking deal we forced them to ds
[04.08.12 13:20:07] WBG: mission accomplished
[04.08.12 13:20:11] ME: well assume you didnt call out the masons
[04.08.12 13:20:12] ME: and you actually play well
[04.08.12 13:20:18] ME: and you ask for protection
[04.08.12 13:20:23] ME: any fucking medic
[04.08.12 13:20:28] ME: will fucking protect you
[04.08.12 13:20:29] WBG: I don't care about getting protection
[04.08.12 13:20:34] ME: you dont know?
[04.08.12 13:20:41] WBG: man
[04.08.12 13:20:44] WBG: I would much rather die
[04.08.12 13:20:45] WBG: n1
[04.08.12 13:20:49] WBG: the only reason I am in this game
[04.08.12 13:20:51] WBG: is as a favor to BC
[04.08.12 13:21:00] ME: fuck if you are town with this game
[04.08.12 13:21:05] WBG: also
[04.08.12 13:21:06] ME: there will be a lot of people shouting at you :D
[04.08.12 13:21:09] WBG: I've been requesting town
[04.08.12 13:21:10] WBG: for fucking
[04.08.12 13:21:12] WBG: 3 months
[04.08.12 13:21:22] ME: well
[04.08.12 13:21:25] WBG: also no
[04.08.12 13:21:26] WBG: I'm not bad
[04.08.12 13:21:28] WBG: unlike you
[04.08.12 13:21:31] WBG: so no one will be mad at me
[04.08.12 13:21:32] WBG: you might be
[04.08.12 13:21:33] WBG: cause you're bad
[04.08.12 13:21:37] WBG: but that's not my problem
[04.08.12 13:21:42] ME: i talked to 3 really good scumhunters about my problem
[04.08.12 13:21:57] ME: just the basic theory
[04.08.12 13:22:11] ME: of calling out masons in a mafia game this early
[04.08.12 13:22:42] ME: ?
[04.08.12 13:24:29] ME: oh wait ur scum nvm
[04.08.12 13:24:36] WBG: what are you talking about
[04.08.12 13:24:46] ME: meh
[04.08.12 13:24:49] WBG: tell me
[04.08.12 13:24:53] WBG: do you think mafia has a mason?
[04.08.12 13:24:57] ME: maybe
[04.08.12 13:25:04] ME: its bc
[04.08.12 13:25:06] ME: bc can be mean
[04.08.12 13:25:12] WBG: so mafia likely has a mason
[04.08.12 13:25:18] WBG: you think mafia like attention?
[04.08.12 13:25:25] ME: noooo
[04.08.12 13:25:28] WBG: ok
[04.08.12 13:25:30] WBG: then how the fuck
[04.08.12 13:25:33] WBG: is outting a mason antitown
[04.08.12 13:25:42] WBG: you have a pool of like
[04.08.12 13:25:43] WBG: 2-3 players
[04.08.12 13:25:52] WBG: chances are one of them is likely scum
[04.08.12 13:26:07] WBG: if anyone tries to mason anyone else from now on and it's not you or VE the likelihood of them being scum is incredibly high
[04.08.12 13:26:13] WBG: in fact VE is still possibly scum
[04.08.12 13:26:18] WBG: though on behavior I think he's town
[04.08.12 13:26:52] WBG: also it discourages use of mafia mason
[04.08.12 13:26:56] ME: yes
[04.08.12 13:26:57] WBG: so even if they have one
[04.08.12 13:27:01] ME: so lets look at results as of right now
[04.08.12 13:27:04] WBG: if they want to manipulate someone
[04.08.12 13:27:04] ME: assuming
[04.08.12 13:27:05] WBG: they won't use it
[04.08.12 13:27:05] ME: yo
[04.08.12 13:27:07] ME: assuming
[04.08.12 13:27:14] ME: ve and i are town
[04.08.12 13:27:17] ME: you traded knowledge to mafia
[04.08.12 13:27:20] ME: about 2 blues
[04.08.12 13:27:28] ME: for them not using potential masons
[04.08.12 13:27:28] WBG: so what?
[04.08.12 13:27:28] ME: have i got that right?
[04.08.12 13:27:33] WBG: I also traded that info to town
[04.08.12 13:27:39] WBG: which means medics know
[04.08.12 13:27:41] WBG: who to protect
[04.08.12 13:27:49] WBG: which means
[04.08.12 13:27:52] WBG: SUB PAR SHOTS
[04.08.12 13:27:58] ME: yes but those are new targets to protect
[04.08.12 13:28:03] WBG: omg
[04.08.12 13:28:04] WBG: who cares if
[04.08.12 13:28:06] WBG: lurker #5 gets shot
[04.08.12 13:28:12] WBG: if half the town thought he was scum to begin with
[04.08.12 13:28:18] WBG: the number of lurkers in this game is like half the playerbase
[04.08.12 13:28:32] ME: well yeah
[04.08.12 13:28:40] ME: but you and VE assuming town
[04.08.12 13:28:48] ME: would have been protected if playing well
[04.08.12 13:28:56] ME: so there is no reason for your fucking play
[04.08.12 13:29:04] WBG: man
[04.08.12 13:29:06] WBG: like I said
[04.08.12 13:29:08] WBG: I'm not fucking interested
[04.08.12 13:29:11] WBG: in being protected
[04.08.12 13:29:16] WBG: a;sp
[04.08.12 13:29:17] WBG: also
[04.08.12 13:29:18] WBG: for VE
[04.08.12 13:29:22] WBG: outting him puts pressure on him
[04.08.12 13:29:28] WBG: in a way that nothing else i could do would put pressure on him
[04.08.12 13:29:38] WBG: because if he's scum obviously he wants to manipulate me
[04.08.12 13:29:45] WBG: and he's capable of doing it, because he's not bad
[04.08.12 13:29:52] WBG: I can't figure out a good scum in PMs, no one really can
[04.08.12 13:30:16] WBG: also like I said earlier in the case he was mafia
[04.08.12 13:30:20] WBG: why would I give him what he wanted?
[04.08.12 13:30:46] ME: because it goes 2 ways
[04.08.12 13:30:55] ME: pms are not a tool for him to fucking manipulate you
[04.08.12 13:30:56] WBG: ???
[04.08.12 13:30:57] ME: you are a smart guy
[04.08.12 13:31:03] WBG: if he's scum
[04.08.12 13:31:06] ME: you can talk back its not like pms are a free manipulation
[04.08.12 13:31:08] WBG: and he convinces me he is town
[04.08.12 13:31:12] WBG: then how the hell
[04.08.12 13:31:17] WBG: is that not manipulation
[04.08.12 13:31:24] WBG: if a skilled mafia PMs you that means he WANTS to talk to you
[04.08.12 13:31:36] WBG: I did it to sandro myself
[04.08.12 13:31:39] WBG: he thought I was confirmed town
[04.08.12 13:31:44] WBG: and chose to believe chaoser was scum over me
[04.08.12 13:32:02] WBG: ultimately the only reason I died was because he had like 60 bluies
[04.08.12 13:32:12] WBG: you can manipulate anyone in PMs
[04.08.12 13:32:15] WBG: it's not even hard
[04.08.12 13:33:05] ME: well
[04.08.12 13:33:12] ME: its bullshit
[04.08.12 13:33:27] Maajid M.
Nazrulla: whatever
[04.08.12 13:33:30] WBG: you keep denying
[04.08.12 13:33:32] WBG: everything I say
[04.08.12 13:33:34] ME: no
[04.08.12 13:33:38] WBG: for who knows what reason
[04.08.12 13:33:39] ME: i keep seeing your logic
[04.08.12 13:33:41] WBG: talking to you
[04.08.12 13:33:44] ME: and deciding its complete crap
[04.08.12 13:33:44] WBG: is a waste of my time
[04.08.12 13:33:50] WBG: because YOU'RE BAD
[04.08.12 13:33:50] ME: well yeah cause ur scum
[04.08.12 13:33:57] ME: and failed to manipulate me
[04.08.12 13:33:59] WBG: everything you disagree with is just you being awful
[04.08.12 13:34:05] WBG: I'm not manipulating you, retard
[04.08.12 13:34:06] ME: also im doing you a favor
[04.08.12 13:34:08] WBG: I'm fucking town
[04.08.12 13:34:09] ME: you dont want to play this game
[04.08.12 13:34:12] WBG: no
[04.08.12 13:34:14] WBG: you're right
[04.08.12 13:34:19] WBG: I actually do want to get lynched
[04.08.12 13:34:20] ME: and if you are town
[04.08.12 13:34:27] ME: you can shout at how bad my read was
[04.08.12 13:34:27] WBG: I'm going to tell that to town
[04.08.12 13:34:28] ME: np
[04.08.12 13:34:29] WBG: just lynch me
[04.08.12 13:41:15] WBG: also
[04.08.12 13:41:21] WBG: this is your biggest fucking logic fail
[04.08.12 13:41:23] WBG: if I was mafia
[04.08.12 13:41:31] WBG: I already know you and VE are masons
[04.08.12 13:41:35] WBG: so why would I fucking publicly out you
[04.08.12 13:41:40] WBG: instead of just privately telling my team
[04.08.12 13:42:01] WBG: your entire case is bullshit because of that simple reason
[04.08.12 13:42:05] ME: VE scum too
[04.08.12 13:42:06] ME: is the basic thought
[04.08.12 13:42:16] WBG: yeah
[04.08.12 13:42:17] WBG: you're fucking stupid as fuck
[04.08.12 13:42:22] WBG: if you actually believe
[04.08.12 13:42:24] WBG: that is a possibility
[04.08.12 13:42:27] ME: thing is
[04.08.12 13:42:30] ME: its as terrible
[04.08.12 13:42:36] ME: as you outing masons as town
[04.08.12 13:42:35] WBG: your argument
[04.08.12 13:42:38] WBG: is that I am scum
[04.08.12 13:42:44] WBG: because I outted masons publicly
[04.08.12 13:42:46] ME: no
[04.08.12 13:42:47] WBG: when the only time that makes sense
[04.08.12 13:42:49] WBG: is if I am town
[04.08.12 13:42:49] WBG: if I am scum
[04.08.12 13:42:51] ME: no
[04.08.12 13:42:53] ME: wbg
[04.08.12 13:42:54] WBG: I would just tell my team what I Know
[04.08.12 13:42:54] ME: its because
[04.08.12 13:42:56] WBG: and not tell town
[04.08.12 13:42:58] ME: of every fucking bad post
[04.08.12 13:43:01] ME: after that
[04.08.12 13:43:03] WBG: man
[04.08.12 13:43:06] ME: filter yourself and read it
[04.08.12 13:43:06] WBG: none of my posts are bad
[04.08.12 13:43:06] WBG: you are bad
[04.08.12 13:43:12] WBG: so when things disagree with you
[04.08.12 13:43:13] WBG: you think they are
[04.08.12 13:43:23] WBG: simple fact is that you have never caught scum other than me
[04.08.12 13:43:31] WBG: and you have only caught me in othe rgames because it's the only thing you do
[04.08.12 13:43:36] WBG: you call a bunch of people scum for no reason
[04.08.12 13:43:40] WBG: you've done it in this game too
[04.08.12 13:43:43] WBG: soft called hier scum
[04.08.12 13:43:46] WBG: soft called zephirdd scum
[04.08.12 13:43:50] WBG: call me scum as usual
[04.08.12 13:44:00] WBG: call VE scum
[04.08.12 13:44:39] ME: i only called you scum
[04.08.12 13:44:44] ME: and VE was supicious
[04.08.12 13:44:50] ME: never called hier scum
[04.08.12 13:44:55] ME: never caled zephirdd scum
[04.08.12 13:44:56] ME: O.o
[04.08.12 13:46:06] WBG: it's sad
[04.08.12 13:46:11] WBG: when you don't even know your own thoughts
[04.08.12 13:46:11] WBG: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=352668&currentpage=17#334
[04.08.12 13:46:14] WBG: "VE probably suspicious"
[04.08.12 13:46:29] ME: well thats my thought now
[04.08.12 13:46:32] ME: at that point i was frustrated
[04.08.12 13:46:39] ME: because no one talked about anything
[04.08.12 13:46:45] ME: what about everything else you threw at me?
[04.08.12 13:46:46] WBG: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=352668&currentpage=22#437
[04.08.12 13:46:54] WBG: "dear god I hope you are trolling" = soft call of hier scum
[04.08.12 13:46:59] WBG: aka the only way he's town is if he's trolling
[04.08.12 13:47:02] ME: what?
[04.08.12 13:47:06] ME: have you read his case
[04.08.12 13:47:11] WBG: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=352668&currentpage=22#438
[04.08.12 13:47:11] ME: have you seen how bad it was
[04.08.12 13:47:13] WBG: soft calling zephirdd scum
[04.08.12 13:47:19] WBG: for "contradicting" himself
[04.08.12 13:47:27] WBG: it's not quite as bad as yours
[04.08.12 13:47:32] WBG: yours is the worst case I've ever seen
[04.08.12 13:47:35] WBG: you use a pro town tell
[04.08.12 13:47:36] WBG: to call me scum
[04.08.12 13:49:02] ME: i don't call zephirdd scum at all
[04.08.12 13:49:09] ME: i point out shit he didnt say
[04.08.12 13:49:12] ME: thats not soft calling anyone scum
[04.08.12 13:49:19] ME: thats playing mafia rofl
[04.08.12 13:49:22] WBG: soft calling is not directly
[04.08.12 13:49:24] WBG: calling anyone scum
[04.08.12 13:49:30] WBG: it's suggesting a suspicion
[04.08.12 13:49:32] ME: well
[04.08.12 13:49:35] WBG: the only person
[04.08.12 13:49:37] ME: he does deserve it
[04.08.12 13:49:38] ME: do you disagree?
[04.08.12 13:49:40] WBG: you have called scum directly
[04.08.12 13:49:40] WBG: is me
[04.08.12 13:49:42] WBG: well also VE
[04.08.12 13:49:45] WBG: no
[04.08.12 13:49:47] WBG: zephirdd is probably town
[04.08.12 13:49:53] WBG: VE is also probably town
[04.08.12 13:49:54] ME: because he understood your master plan?
[04.08.12 13:49:57] WBG: prplhz is scum
[04.08.12 13:49:58] WBG: no
[04.08.12 13:50:04] WBG: because he's not playing like a retard
[04.08.12 13:50:09] WBG: and he's not being diplomatic
[04.08.12 13:50:12] WBG: he took a controversial stance
[04.08.12 13:50:17] WBG: when he didn't need to
[04.08.12 13:50:27] WBG: also his opinion is clearly genuine
[04.08.12 13:50:44] WBG: not something a mafia would do, they'd just sit back and lurk
[04.08.12 13:50:46] WBG: like, idk
[04.08.12 13:50:50] WBG: the rest of the playerbase
[04.08.12 13:51:00] WBG: you're blind if you don't see how both grush and prpl
[04.08.12 13:51:02] WBG: are obvious scum
[04.08.12 13:51:32] WBG: broodking as well most likely

GL!

slOosh

3291 Posts

August 04 2012 18:52 GMT

#549

On August 05 2012 03:49 BioSC wrote:

Show nested quote +

Well the hypocrisy here is that you are letting WBG get away with doing something because it's easy to go after "easy" targets. This isn't about lynching between WBG and grush57, it's about lynching the one you think will most likely flip scum. Do you think grush has a greater chance of flipping scum than WBG? If so, vote him and argue for it. If not, then reconsider your stance.

Toadesstern

Germany16350 Posts

August 04 2012 18:56 GMT

#550

On August 04 2012 00:20 wherebugsgo wrote:
Gotta love 8:30 vision appointments.

For anyone who doesn't know, from my perspective Erandor and VE share two important traits:

One, they both call me scum in every game without fail regardless of their own alignments.

Two, they're both awful as town.

Right now I lean toward Erandor being terrible, since I don't think as scum he'd stop being lazy long enough to form a coherent sentence.

from log
[04.08.12 13:19:16] WBG: between VE and myself everyone else on the roster is terrible at town
[04.08.12 13:19:19] WBG: therefore any other shot
[04.08.12 13:19:19] WBG: is bad

Got it. Everyone is awful as town.

slOosh

3291 Posts

August 04 2012 19:02 GMT

#551

Hmm... right now I'm debating between talis and prplhz ...

PM dialogue shows what I think is legitimate frustration, a higher degree of consistency (since you talk in real time), and fits in with what he has said in the thread.

strongandbig

United States4858 Posts

August 04 2012 19:06 GMT

#552

dont rely on pm dialogue.

"i can't find out a good scum in pm's. no one really can." -wbg from those pm's

Toadesstern

Germany16350 Posts

August 04 2012 19:09 GMT

#553

I don't really know what to make of the pm-log.

I agree with slOosh that it looks to be genuine but I still don't understand why. It's like "BAM I'm here and fuck you" out of nowhere. So I don't really get why they had this mud fight. I don't see a reason to be that insulting in the thread and I don't see a reason to be like that in the log either.

There's a couple of things in there I'm having problems with, like the one I just quoted in my most recent post.

slOosh

3291 Posts

August 04 2012 19:19 GMT

#554

On August 05 2012 04:09 Toadesstern wrote:
I don't really know what to make of the pm-log.

I agree with slOosh that it looks to be genuine but I still don't understand why. It's like "BAM I'm here and fuck you" out of nowhere. So I don't really get why they had this mud fight. I don't see a reason to be that insulting in the thread and I don't see a reason to be like that in the log either.

There's a couple of things in there I'm having problems with, like the one I just quoted in my most recent post.

He is pissed off, and consistently so. I don't mind him calling the player base awful since I don't think it's a high level base, and with the several people I'm unsure with I find their play this game lackluster.

He does his meta thing with grush, but that is consistent with his play throughout the months - he likes meta and he uses it well. I dislike meta since it's hard for me to use, and I guess the conflict arises when he calls grush obv scum, we can't see it and then he gets mad that we can't see something that is so obvious to him. However I don't want to do what I see as a lurker lynch.

Also he spends 1 hr arguing with Erandorr. 1 hr. Trying to convince him (Erandorr) that he (WBG) is town. This is like ... what a town would do.

In any case it addresses the major concern I had with WBG, which is he doesn't care about the lynch, and the PMs show that he does care, just in a way that it is difficult for me to immediately understand. I agree with his (WBG) mason stuff as I mentioned before so everything checks out.

Now it is a matter of picking out who to lynch: I'm deciding between prplhz and talis, both who have done crap to be associated with the WBG lynch, i.e. if WBG flips town then they are free from blame and get to point more fingers.

slOosh

3291 Posts

August 04 2012 19:21 GMT

#555

Oh yea, so it's crystal clear:
##Unvote: Wherebugsgo

wherebugsgo

Japan10647 Posts

August 04 2012 19:31 GMT

#556

I am thoroughly pissed off because there is literally no reason to lynch me, and because Erandor started tunneling for a really really bad reason (and clearly had no intention of stopping).

I'm at a pretty low bullshit tolerance right now, which is why I raged at him so fucking hard in the PMs. He kept saying mr not coming on skype was an indication of me being scum. I explained it has nothing to do with the game (I've just been busy) so when I came home from lab (this log began at 3 am last night for me) I got on skype to rage at him for being bad in thinking I am scum.

I half tried reasoning with him but even in that you can tell he has no interest in thinking I am town. There is no convincing him, therefore I wasted my time.

Also I didn't fully mean everything I said. Not everyone in the game is awful. I don't actually think VE is awful, but this case is definitely terrible. SlOosh is probably the only player who has anything close to a legitimate reason (besides me voting myself, that's me forcing you to kill me)

So, just kill me.

grush57

Korea (South)2582 Posts

August 04 2012 19:32 GMT

#557

Bugs seems, angry about the lynch. Maybe they were my lunar senses going off, sorry.
##Unvote: Wherebugsgo

Also, someone prove to me their town :D

wherebugsgo

Japan10647 Posts

August 04 2012 19:33 GMT

#558

Also the people who think I willingly brought attention to myself are funny. I didn't fully think of the repercussions when I outted the masons in terms of thread presence but I also didn't account for the fact that many people who have different opinions will consider opposing viewpoints as scummy (because they are incapable of understanding that different does not mean scum)