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On July 17 2012 07:38 tube wrote:Show nested quote +On July 17 2012 07:26 Hopeless1der wrote:
I'm done with tube. This is going around in circles and wasting time. His current approach to responding is making my head hurt.
It's going in circles because all of you said the same thing over and over without explaining, which led me to say the same thing over and over until obvious.660 made this post: Show nested quote +On July 17 2012 07:26 Obvious.660 wrote:On July 17 2012 07:14 tube wrote:
how is there even such a thing as mafia "generally" act this way because if that were true a mafia would never act that way
you guys find it really hard to believe that a townie wouldn't want to attract attention until he found more evidence or made some kind of actual connection between nights and days You need to share what you know and what you believe. It's important because if you are town and get randomly chosen (assuming no better target exists for mafia) tonight and die, you have contributed nothing of value and we will never really know why you were chosen. Maybe they got tired of reading your posts. Maybe they want to use you as a vehicle of suspicion on others who had formed opinions against you or defended you. Bottom line - having no opinion is not playing town-safe, especially when you are in the spotlight.Form an opinion, roll with it, see what information it can get you. Don't sit on the sideline and let everyone else do the work. Doesn't seem like a fun way to play the game, honestly. actually giving me a reason to do things differently. However, to respond to you, Obvious, isn't it obvious that nobody knows anything yet. Even if I had a role I haven't gotten to use it so I can't say anything quite for sure. My strongest opinion is that people who have very few to no posts should be the ones under heaviest suspicion. Anyone else find his offhand mention of him potentially being a blue as suspicious? I don't think town would try and hint at having a role, or even mention it.
On July 17 2012 05:39 tube wrote:
the points against me are that im being an active lurker and thats supposedly our best lynch
how am i supposed to respond to that other than "i just felt like posting" because i didnt want to be inactive
from my point of view im not attracting suspicion to begin with You're being an active lurker again. Garbage one-liners certainly aren't helping your case.
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and to further light a fire under your ass
## Vote tube
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On July 23 2012 05:19 iamperfection wrote: Did i play the best no (even though the perfect one made 2 perfect reads on jingle and yourharry before anyone else) but im gonna at least im gonna go down swinging. If your town join in the conversation even if you dont agree with the other people are saying. As far as I'm concerned you piled your vote onto YourHarry and doubted jingle's motives until well after he claimed JK with the crumb... How does that constitute a 'perfect read' - it had to be spelled out for you. You were pretty far from the truth in both cases.
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On July 23 2012 05:24 calgar wrote:Show nested quote +On July 23 2012 05:19 iamperfection wrote:On July 23 2012 04:43 tube wrote:
I said more than that. Did i play the best no (even though the perfect one made 2 perfect reads on jingle and yourharry before anyone else) but im gonna at least im gonna go down swinging. If your town join in the conversation even if you dont agree with the other people are saying. As far as I'm concerned you piled your vote onto YourHarry and doubted jingle's motives until well after he claimed JK with the crumb... How does that constitute a 'perfect read' - it had to be spelled out for you. You were pretty far from the truth in both cases.
You do realize the perfect gimmick is kind of my "thing" right.
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On July 23 2012 05:32 iamperfection wrote:Show nested quote +On July 23 2012 05:24 calgar wrote:On July 23 2012 05:19 iamperfection wrote:On July 23 2012 04:43 tube wrote:
I said more than that. Did i play the best no (even though the perfect one made 2 perfect reads on jingle and yourharry before anyone else) but im gonna at least im gonna go down swinging. If your town join in the conversation even if you dont agree with the other people are saying. As far as I'm concerned you piled your vote onto YourHarry and doubted jingle's motives until well after he claimed JK with the crumb... How does that constitute a 'perfect read' - it had to be spelled out for you. You were pretty far from the truth in both cases. You do realize the perfect gimmick is kind of my "thing" right. Thanks, I gathered as much. You may be on to something, though.
##Unvote
##Vote tube
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Oh hell. Today is going to hit OMGUS really fast. Tube, what do you have to say for yourself?
@Perfection, there are a couple things you've brought up.
1 is my "trap" set for calgar. I originally suspected you two of bussing from the start, especially after calgar neglected to really push for your lynch day1.
2 is your suspicion about tube attempting to get you lynched to save wiggles. He also neglected to really push for your lynch. My reads are now all screwed up because tube has not supported any of his actions with good reasoning or analysis. Up until tube posted:
On July 23 2012 04:43 tube wrote:
I said more than that.
I was reading him as town, and you as scum. Even after reading your case I thought so, as I feel you're pressed into a corner and have nothing else to push for except for tube's lynch. Having read his post, the fact that he doesn't seem to take this very seriously is very suspicious and drives me to want to vote for him instead of you. I'm not ready to swap my vote over completely, but I am prepared to
##Unvote
This is looking like its going to be "too easy" to get tube voted. I'm pretty much the only one who ever gave him a town read to begin with. Seeing his posting regress to his initial garbage version makes we want to get rid of him as he was thoroughly berated for his style of posting and doesnt seem to give a damn. However, that in itself doesn't seem that scummy to me because it shows he's distinctly NOT trying, which sucks for town but doesn't prove his affiliation to me. I don't want to be lynching someone for being bad-town on D3. If he doesn't provide anything useful my hands are probably going to be tied as perfection has at least tried to make himself useful to town. Tube has not.
Speedbump, YourHarry, Fulla, if you'd be so kind as to weigh in here. Who looks scummier and which lynch gives us more to go on tomorrow?
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Just wanted to publicly thank my wonderful cohosts for their help this weekend. Blazinghand has even more time now, so hit him up for some juicy juicy help
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On July 23 2012 07:56 Probulous wrote:
Just wanted to publicly thank my wonderful cohosts for their help this weekend. Blazinghand has even more time now, so hit him up for some juicy juicy help
It's sad but true!
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##Vote tube
Tube, come defend yourself.
My case on Tube coming soon.
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Tube's filter is not short. It is 4 pages long, but browsing through his filter, especially during the beginning of day 1, I cannot help but wonder how none of his posts contribute toward scum hunting. I know this had been touched on before, but here is a representative screen shot of his filter, beginning of day 1. As this is just a screen shot, I encourage you to go through his filter yourself:
![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/8OQ8M.png)
His excuse is that he had no information. Which is fine. But in the midst of having "no information", he does accuse drwiggle in what I think is an attempt to bus his scum buddy. Here are some examples:
+ Show Spoiler +
drwiggl3s your first post is you jumping on the (completely pointless) JingleHell mini-bandwagon against me
and then going on to say that not posting content-heavily means im trying to "fit in" which i wouldnt otherwise try to do as town
if thats your first and only read so far the only person i have a read on is you
To drwiggl3s:
+ Show Spoiler +honestly mafia is laughing at you
And drwiggl3s's attempt to bus tube:
+ Show Spoiler +That isn't even all the one liners that you've posted so far. Majorly shitting up the thread with these useless posts with no decent discussion behind them is a noob-mafia play. You have over 30 posts. And before you changed your posting style they were mostly one liners like these.
Finally when enough people called you out on it you began to post better discussion and actually decent posts, but to me I still think your a scum that is skirting by right now. The only one contribution you had so far was calling out lurkers when the heat was on you and making a list of their names. The only reason you're not being lynched right now is because people have tunneled onto other people since then. But I still think your dramatic change in attitude, posting style, and content is evidence of coaching.
Basically, drwiggl3s and tube's interactions are very uncharacteristic of their typical interactions with other players. They talk about petty ideas and call each other out for being possibly scummy.
However, when the deadline nears tube opportunistically jumps on the Obvious.660 bandwagon and contributes to the mislynch. Of course, that mislynch bandwagon also included myself and confirmed townies Jingle and Evul. But if you subscribe to the idea that the mislynch badwagon probably included at least one scum, tube's jumping on Obvious.660 wagon should make him more scummy.
Finally, near the deadline of D2, when the attention shifts from lynching me to lynching drwiggl3s, tube makes the following post:
On July 21 2012 04:24 tube wrote:
sorry guys i havent been following much lately but I still think perfection is a good lynch
##Vote iamperfection
In this crucial moment, he does not contribute to to discussion against drwiggl3s and completely ignores Jingle's case against drwiggl3s. He provides:
1. excuse for his action, which is he hasn't been following much lately and
2. an attempt to distract town from drwiggl3s, hopefully in an attempt to save his scum buddy without directly defending his case.
In conclusion, tube's interaction with drwiggl3s is uncharacteristic and his distraction attempt when drwiggle3's scuminess was beginning to be realized makes him very scummy.
Finally, I want to dedicate this post to our late Jail Keeper JingleHell. Rest in Peace:
![[image loading]](http://www.norcalblogs.com/post_scripts/assets_c/2011/05/prison_guard-thumb-250x300-4550.jpg)
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@ YourHarry - great catch on the Tube "read" on drwiggl3s. There's absolutely no reason why he should turn around and bandwagon Obvious after wiggl3s being his only read. Great case all around.
Since I haven't done this already for some reason:
##Vote Tube
It is important that we don't use the heavy suspicion on Tube to completely stop our discussion. First half of D3 was pretty quiet by all of our standards (myself included), and we should be maintaining our discussions for the next 24 hours. Remember, even if Tube flips red, there's still a 2nd mafia out there we need to find.
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@Hapahauli: While I'm still suspicious of iamperfection, the cases posted against Tube are very compelling. Tube has spent no time defending himself and sounds like a mafia dying as quiet as possible.
@Hopeless1der: Based on level of suspiciousness each player has, the most probable mafia is tube, Fulla being the secondmost.
Tube is still posting in a manner that makes it very hard to believe that he could be anything other than mafia. Fulla has spent even less time posting towards helping town, mainly avoiding conversation by lurking and posting one-liners. The only time Fulla has tried to help town is through relentless railing of Hopeless1der, who I have a very good town read on.
@YourHarry: I also find the interactions between drwiggl3s and tube to be rather weird. I do not see a town tube to be so willing in his complacency in actively hunting mafia.
With these two posts tube made in Day 1, with the post analysis, the second post makes me adamant that tube is mafia.
On July 17 2012 06:05 tube wrote:
wait what?
how is it mathematically sound to just lynch someone because you think their "active lurking" is an attitude that hurts town (explain how i am doing this)
there are 12 people and you want to use the first lynch to get rid of me for sure on a petty basis
honestly mafia is laughing at you
On July 17 2012 06:05 tube wrote:
ebwop after my 4th line: even if im town
As such, ##Vote tube.
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I'm in no fit state to be doing anything properly right now. I'll read up in the morning and hopefully I'll be ready to vote early.
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But at a glance, it looks like tube is taking a dive...
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EBWODP: I will be analysing Fulla's posting further. I can do a Post-by-Post analysis of Fulla within 2-3 hours of this post, but I am limited to PbP on my phone.
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On July 23 2012 06:35 Hopeless1der wrote:
@Perfection, there are a couple things you've brought up.
1 is my "trap" set for calgar. I originally suspected you two of bussing from the start, especially after calgar neglected to really push for your lynch day1.
I was starting to think of the scum team as whole and i think we may be possibly giving them to much credit. Looking back at the drwiggles situation against jingle it dosent really make sense what he did. As calgar pointed out earlier when i had read jingle as town it should have been obvious to almost everyone including the scumteam that jingle was confirmed townie. Also he had to be kill choice that night so why bother making comments like drwigles did when you knew you were going to likely have to kill him anyways. I made a similar point in which i defended yourharry when he was underfire but maybe my thinking is wrong and the reason for drwiggles poor play is due to possible inactiveness of his fellow scum players.
Maybe the reason they were sitting back was how we were all going at each others throats. Jingle @ yoyrharry jingle@ hapa well jingle @ everyone really the calga hopeless me hate triangle. Perhaps they thought we would just kill ourselves off.
Going from this logic perhaps its more simple than we thought and 2 of the scum players are among the most inactive between fulla and tube
Ill put speedbump seperatly because he seems to be doing a better job than those 2 in at least giving us a little something to go off of. However it would support my theory of a directionless scum team that a player was replaced due to inactivity.
@tube if your town i know you have a tool avaliable to you that your not using he is lonely and has nothing better to do use it.
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I didn't jump on the obvious bandwagon I saw reasons of my own to vote him and I think I was the second vote on him.
Wiggles was definitely going to die that day so I voted perfection to show that I still thought of him as scum.
"honestly mafia is laughing at you" wasn't at wiggles read the context again
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On July 23 2012 22:19 tube wrote:
I didn't jump on the obvious bandwagon I saw reasons of my own to vote him and I think I was the second vote on him.
Wiggles was definitely going to die that day so I voted perfection to show that I still thought of him as scum.
"honestly mafia is laughing at you" wasn't at wiggles read the context again You're going to need to do a much better job of that to avoid being lynched today. Several people have leveled several accusations and continuing to gloss over them is essentially you putting the noose around your own neck.
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On July 23 2012 22:19 tube wrote:
I didn't jump on the obvious bandwagon I saw reasons of my own to vote him and I think I was the second vote on him.
Wiggles was definitely going to die that day so I voted perfection to show that I still thought of him as scum.
"honestly mafia is laughing at you" wasn't at wiggles read the context again
its crap like this man it would have taken two seconds to go back and you would have seen i was the second vote on obcious.
Also it was sure thing that drwiggle was going to be lynched when you voted for me? Try again go look back he had 0 votes when you voted for me. So unless you had the gift of foresight you couldnt have known and why would you lie about it now?
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Honestly don't see why I'm so suspicious. Low post count, I've tried to give reads, I try to only post when I can contribute something, I prefer a no bullshit approach, in the TL mafia guide it says that's the best way to help town, less posts + your reads + no nonsense.
I'd just be rehashing whats others have said, which is unnecessary clutter.
Everything I have said I have thought has contributed, if not tell me why?
I'd like to point out i tube several pages ago, now you are ALL agreeing yet saying I'm suspicious?
On the other hand it doesn't bother me to much, I still think it's both Tube and Hopeless, if/when it turns out that I'm seriously going to laugh. I'm sure tube will flip scum his excuses are ridiculous.
##vote tube
@Speedbump - I'd be very happy to hear your analysis, nobody else has just only tell me I'm suspicious each day.
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