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JingleHell
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On July 17 2012 04:30 tube wrote: what lol maybe i just dont see anything to analyze in day 1 with no information So instead of looking for information, reading between the lines, or talking at the people who ARE talking to try and get things established, you make useless one-liners that clutter up the thread? Did the other scum help you with this strategy? | ||
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JingleHell
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On July 17 2012 05:01 tube wrote: yes i am 3 people just talked about how somehow my not believing in analysis day 1 is a tell since you guys apparently think thats something to talk about if you think theres a motive to question do tell If there's no discussion day 1, if there's a mislynch, there's almost no information to work with day 2, at which point I suppose you still want us to avoid analysis on limited information? This game is all about finding a way to work despite the information disadvantage, and find the scum. Active non-contribution is a fairly valid reason for a D1 lynch, in absence of scumtells. | ||
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JingleHell
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On July 17 2012 05:04 tube wrote: half of the people in the game have already been accused and i literally dont agree with any of the arguments that were made yet because they're all too speculative yeah those are my thoughts i guess im mafia If you don't like the accusations, make your own, or better yet, go watch Elmo. What did you expect to happen in a game that's all about persuasion, scamming, and perception? | ||
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JingleHell
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##Vote Tube Until and unless we get a clear scumread, let's get rid of the guy who's actively not contributing by telling us we're doing it wrong and not doing anything else, like posting a read or starting a useful discussion. | ||
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JingleHell
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On July 17 2012 05:08 tube wrote: jesus what is with all this hostility We aren't being hostile. We're playing the game. You're basically telling us that until and unless the scum team decides to tell us who they are we should shut up and sit down, because you don't like our speculation. Without, might I add, elucidation on what's wrong with the arguments being presented. | ||
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JingleHell
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On July 17 2012 05:22 tube wrote: i didnt martyr myself i thought making a sarcastic statement like that would make people realize how pointless it is to lynch me You might be able to expect that to work if you've actually made an effort in the thread. I can't argue with the mindset, I've taken it myself. But if you haven't actually TRIED to be productive, and you have half the town on you, you need to start presenting a defense. | ||
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JingleHell
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On July 17 2012 05:39 tube wrote: the points against me are that im being an active lurker and thats supposedly our best lynch how am i supposed to respond to that other than "i just felt like posting" because i didnt want to be inactive from my point of view im not attracting suspicion to begin with Did you actually bother to read any of the guides, the rules, or anything at all about how this game works before signing up? What matters is a combination of intuition and persuasion. Discussion, analysis, and reading between the lines. The scum have information, we don't. We talk, we have conversations, we get people's stories, we look for things that don't make sense, we make guesses. In other words, the town speculates, and hopes for the best. The best is more likely if we have a lot of actual discussion (one line posts telling everybody you don't agree with them without saying why or what you believe isn't discussion). People who post things that only contribute clutter are bad for the town. "I don't agree." as the paraphrased sum of your post is a great example of only contributing clutter. | ||
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JingleHell
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On July 17 2012 05:44 tube wrote: and yeah in every accusation against other people so far you can tell that people are just trying to make something out of nothing which is why i dont agree with anyone yet also there should be pressure on the people who haven't even posted yet to say something: drwiggl3s fulla mufaa evulrabbitz thats 4 people any of which could be mafia just sitting there watching you guys gang up on the "active lurker" And if you flip town, I'll consider them as plausible targets. If you flip scum, I'll consider them confirmed townie. Deal? | ||
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JingleHell
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On July 17 2012 05:49 Hapahauli wrote: Let's not pre-determine our lynches less than 24 hours into day 1 Jingle. While tube is at the top of my list right now (even moreso after chainsaw defending himself with a list of lurkers), we don't know if he'll be the scummiest player by the D1 lynch deadline. I was actually fishing for a reaction more substantial than his current posting, thanks for interfering. And you're one to talk, remember XX N1 where you were like 72 hours away from deadline planning to lynch me until DT confirmed me on D2? | ||
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JingleHell
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On July 17 2012 05:54 tube wrote: lmao i seriously cant believe posting my beliefs in one-liners is considered a scumslip whats the day 1 success rate on that one, hapa? also i did say what i believed multiple times now, and i haven't started any arguments against people because like i said there's too little to go off on day 1 When do you expect us to get sufficient information to lynch people if we don't have active, meaningful discussions? Low-content posts are so useful for scum because they give the appearance of activity without having large amounts of content that could potentially be used in a case against you. | ||
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JingleHell
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On July 17 2012 05:55 Hapahauli wrote: Of course I remember - it was a huge mistake, and I don't want to see it repeated. With tube, I'm thinking the same way I was about Lazer. If they flip green, at least we don't have them hurting the town with their attitude. | ||
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JingleHell
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On July 17 2012 06:02 drwiggl3s wrote: Is this.. a scum slip? You should always go for mafia. Lynching someone for being bad-town is a mistake. This is a noobie game after all. No, it's not a scum slip. It's what I said earlier, if we don't have anybody who really screams "scum" at us, we can just lynch the person who might just be actively bad town. The "noob game" excuse doesn't fly with me, we're all newbs, thus being in the game. This game is plurality lynch. Most votes at the end of the day dies. So yes, someone who's actively not contributing can be a severe detriment. Ask Hapa about the town win in XX. Where the guy I would have lynched for being such a PITA was trying to coerce people into not voting for the guy we ended up lynching. Who flipped red and won us the game. Actively bad town are scum's best friend. And if they make it to MYLO or LYLO, they can cause a town loss, because they look scummy. In XVIII I won as scum because of an actively bad town player who I was able to lead a mislynch on and walk away from it because he was so scummy sounding. Scum had all 3 alive at endgame. | ||
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JingleHell
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On July 17 2012 06:37 tube wrote: by the by that also applies to jinglehell's reasoning as to why i should be lynched My reasoning to consider you a target is simple. 1: If we hit MYLO or LYLO with someone posting like you are alive, it greatly increases our odds of a mislynch. 2: If we don't get any scum to lynch (which you seem to think we can't possibly get any information on D1, which is a self-fulfilling prophecy, if nobody gets people talking we're guaranteed to never have information) we can only go by "scummiest". Right now, whether you like it or not, your behavior strikes me as scummy. And, it seems, everybody else agrees that your play is somewhere in the realm of bad town or scum. Which makes you one of the current scummiest. Hence, a target. | ||
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JingleHell
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On July 17 2012 06:42 Mufaa wrote: Ok, time to get to work. @Tube - You need to start contributing if you want to live. I wouldn't vote for you currently, but only because it's still early. You're the most obvious lynch right now. Instead of telling everyone why you should live, show everyone why you should live. Contribute something other than one liners (Who do you suspect? What seems suspicious to you?). It doesn't have to be an airtight case, but we need to force scum to make slips, not dropping one liners that lets everyone bandwagon you halfway through d1. @Jingle- Early in the day you say: A reasonable opinion, except for the fact that you have two out of the three total votes so far. Both of your votes/cases so far have been the most obvious choices, which if the day ended right now I would be upset if we didnt lynch one of them. When you're claiming that you hate the risk of early bandwagons however and you're the most likely cause of a bandwagon forming I have to question it. I'm not sure if you're scum, but this feels like you're trying to skirt around discussions by picking the most obvious tells without actually trying to find scum. More to come, but I need to check over filters more closely before I do. The "early bandwagons" I was referring to, for the sake of context, is votes where you don't have an explanation. It's hard to defend against no reason, hence making for a danger of bandwagons. I try to have some sort of reason for a vote, which leaves room for them to counter, which means that people might have more reason to jump OFF of an early bandwagon if the need arises. | ||
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JingleHell
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On July 17 2012 06:50 tube wrote: i've said it over and over all ive done is tell people that i dont accuse anyone as of yet still dont see how that convinces anyone that im playing against town and i already said people need to generally post more (i myself was trying to do this but didn't want to lie to do so i just said what i thought about people's accusations) You don't get information without discussion. You aren't fomenting discussion, you're hampering it by posting low content posts, saying, basically, that everyone's arguments suck, but you can't be assed to tell us what's wrong with them. If you don't understand how that doesn't help, you're definitely a hindrance. And if you do understand and don't actually try to fix it, that's even worse. What you need to do is make your behavior useful. Short, non-committal posts are very much a scummy thing. | ||
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JingleHell
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I'm saying tube sounds scummy as all hell, and if we don't lynch him because of it now, if he IS town, his scummy play may bite us in the ass later. If the only two options for someone are "scum" and "seems like scum", it's a choice between "Lynch now" and "lynch later", unless they fix their play enough to get some BOTD. | ||
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JingleHell
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On July 17 2012 07:14 tube wrote: how is there even such a thing as mafia "generally" act this way because if that were true a mafia would never act that way you guys find it really hard to believe that a townie wouldn't want to attract attention until he found more evidence or made some kind of actual connection between nights and days Welcome to the wide world of WIFOM. The thing is, there's some scum tells that are still relatively solid, despite scum knowing them. Not committing is one of them. Just because scum know it's dangerous, doesn't mean they can avoid it completely. If you take strong stances, it can come back and bite you later, unless your strong stances, and your transition from one to another, make sense. It's more prone to making sense if you're town. No, you can't "know" that something is or isn't scummy. But you also can't make a case without deciding something seems scummy for X reason. If you never make cases, the scum are guaranteed to win. It doesn't matter what your reasoning is, HAVING reasoning for what you do or say is always relevant. So far, you've failed horrible in that regard. And a townie wanting to withhold judgment for a lack of evidence should either show some initiative and look into the case, and post their reasoning on it, or stay the hell out from underfoot so they don't clutter things up and start sidetracks. | ||
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JingleHell
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On July 17 2012 07:30 tube wrote: Yeah I agree his argument had bad logic but again I think he's just making accusations out of nothing, like this segment for example: I don't necessarily read such an argument as a scumtell because it could also just as easily be his candid attempt at scumhunting. Fact of the matter is, there's virtually no way to tell for something like this. Also, if you think putting words into people's mouths is suspicious, take a look at JingleHell's early posts against me that sparked the entire bandwagon. He does it multiple times by saying that I basically said so and so and therefore was clearly playing against town. Feel free to respond showing how my paraphrasing was so unreasonable, in context, without reading your mind, otherwise this sounds like an OMGUS. | ||
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On July 17 2012 07:32 Obvious.660 wrote: Woah! It's like a completely different person sat down at your computer and started typing. WELCOME TO THE GAME, TUBE! to On July 17 2012 07:39 Obvious.660 wrote: ##Vote tube Reason: out of character posting. Coached response. is a bit bizarre. Frankly, that sounds more like scum suddenly seeing a chance for a bandwagon on someone they didn't lead the case against. ##Unvote ##Vote Obvious.660 | ||
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