Bureaucracy Mafia! - Page 5

On July 26 2012 00:53 austinmcc wrote:
Gonzaw

- His early stuff does look like he's not around to play.
- While he's defended BH and Palmar, they were on opposite sides of the mafia heirarchy, and he was finding them both town relatively early, so it's not like he's been caught defending 2 or 3 minions that all fell on one side of the tree.
- He went after Foolishness with some decent content.
- His vote yesterday still strikes me as off. Complaining that people won't answer your one question when there's already a majority and you've not been a driving force this game (could see high-activity Gonzaw feeling like people should answer his questions) doesn't sit well with me.

Yesterday's post right before his vote, where he complains that nobody will answer his question and he doesn't feel good about the lynch, is the scummiest part of his filter for me. Worse than the late vote and sheeping. But it's not as bad as MZ.

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MZ

I'm not even looking at the Palmar crap on MZ. MZ looks bad all by himself.

D1 - When I first read this, I liked it. We had so many cases and suspicions flying around early that our D1 was massive and it's tough to pick out the good from the bad. 2/3 the thread probably got accused of being scum on D1.

MZ gives what I think is a variation on that train of thought in his response to VE - + Show Spoiler + - No reason to push extra cases, no reason to interfere with good lynches and drive things off track.

Yet, here's MZ on D2 during the Kurumi lynchHere, MZ encourages EVERYONE to throw out "their various cases." It's not 100% contradictory to his past stances, but it doesn't mesh with them. If MZ thinks that adding cases on people other than the main lynch target(s) is a bad idea for him, then why is it a good idea for everyone to throw out every case? Maybe because it worked so well D1. Not only did we no-lynch, but there are also so many cases and suspicions D1 that it's difficult to wade through. If D2 looks the same, with everyone calling out everyone, then that's another day that will be very difficult to sort back through later on.


That's the main reason I'm finding him scummy - doesn't want to spam/derail thread with cases, asks everyone to do that D2.

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Little other points, some of which others have pointed out (I think?):

- Minor: MZ active N1 pushing consolidation onto Gonzaw, then pushing consolidation onto BH. Foolishness may have been CEO, but he wasn't bullshitting when saying that a couple mass switches late is a recipe for a no-lynch. MZ helped push switches, mafia wants no-lynch. This point only minor because BH flipped mafia and we aren't sure of Gonzaw's alignment.
- MZ tells us he pushes his scumreads hard. He's been bringing up Rastaban over and over, but never really pushing him. Fine. But other reads have just entirely fallen off the table. D1 he found Chez scummy for trolling, mentioned Chez had trolled in past scum games, FoSed him, didn't seem fond. See:
Chez has continued trolling. MZ's response? Nothing. No mention of Chez. No wanting to lynch Chez. In fact, Again: If Chezinu continues trolling, we kill him. Chezinu continues trolling. No desire to kill, no scumread, doesn't want VE's chez-is-mafia conspiracy.

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Also, for the record, VE, I'm worried about Chezinu as well. I'm hoping that he's serious about making sense, but even if he explains and stops trolling, I don't think I'm going to fully trust him.

On July 26 2012 01:18 austinmcc wrote:

I didn't remember him pushing many reads, so I went back and looked. You are right, he's got a lot of correct reads. As far as I can tell:

D1 he wants to kill Gonzaw (unknown) and BH

D2 his posts on Kurumi seem to indicate he's leaning town, but it's not clear. He votes for Sandroba D2, but puts him down as townie in lists at night (perhaps scum because of mirror theory, town at night because mirror theory no good with Kurumi town).

N2 he's got a nice list: + Show Spoiler + We know that so far, that list is 4 correct, 1 incorrect, 4 unknown

D3 - Votes sloosh, who he seems to find scummy throughout day, unknown. Votes palmar later, correct.

You're right, his reads have been good. Very good, and better than I was thinking. But I'm worried about some of the things he has said, and I want to know whether they are the result of a particular power(s) or not.

On July 26 2012 06:41 supersoft wrote:
uh we have a tie between MZ and gonzaw :D i'll wait one more hour ^_^

On July 27 2012 05:49 Zealos wrote:
I am saying this now, I would rather have MZ killed that slOosh at this point, heck, I most wanna kill Hiro or Gonzaw atm. But we need a lynch of some kind so...
Vote: slOosh

On July 27 2012 06:37 slOosh wrote:

I'd reconsider Zealos and rastaban after my flip. It's not the vote itself which is worrisome, but the explanation behind it. It's for the wrong motivations that they are voting for me. I'll be checking up here and there.

On July 27 2012 06:42 slOosh wrote:

Any thoughts on the actual PMs?

On July 27 2012 06:52 slOosh wrote:

Where would he rank among your reads? You said you were null on gonzaw and voted MZ. Who are the other people you think are scummy and why?

On July 27 2012 13:19 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
Great flip, it does make me almost feel like my sheriff was killed though lol!

well I will probably be dying tonight but I'll make a post at the day cycle with how we need to proceed.