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On August 01 2012 09:58 VisceraEyes wrote:
He saying you should be grateful - obviously if he put you on a scum list we would have lynched the piss out of you dear.

On August 01 2012 07:54 Probulous wrote:
I agree with what Bloody Cobbler is saying. I think if you halved the number of town blues the game would be fairer. Three day vigilantes is insane. We didn't need the snoopers or the cop to out the mafia team eventhough they are incredibly powerful roles.

Risk, given the setup I have no idea why you would not just risk it on your own. Your team know you are looking for scum and unless you are a the town leader you are unlikely to get killed. If you do, well that is the risk you take. As for town lynching you, you have more power than the other townies in that you can night kill (once the rest are dead) so you should be able to manipulate town into misslynching. I know it is a risky strategy, I never said I expected everyone to do it. I am just suprised given 9 mafia that none tried it.

PM Cops are irrelevant. Think about it, the people who the PM cops checked were all playing like mafia. The PM cop is the same as any other cop in that if you are playing with clarity they shouldn't check you.

On August 01 2012 07:56 austinmcc wrote:

I bought too hard into the "DTs check people who will be around later and you're going to want to know their alignment" mentality, so I avoided anyone I thought was going to get lynched. In hindsight, that was a particularly bad idea, because even when we had 2-3 clear candidates for a lynch I chose not to check any of them, fearing chance.

Also, lol dem <_<s. I was reasonably sure you sent that because of the sender saying everyone thought him mafia, but those faces just confirmed it. If you'd been sending messages like that all along, you were getting to freely out yourself to every minion that noticed.

On August 01 2012 07:54 Probulous wrote:
PM Cops are irrelevant. Think about it, the people who the PM cops checked were all playing like mafia. The PM cop is the same as any other cop in that if you are playing with clarity they shouldn't check you.

On August 01 2012 10:10 gonzaw wrote:
Again:



That "PM Cop" outed three scum when he caught my message.
It's not "irrelevant" if he can catch more than 1 scum with a "check", or can know all about scum's strategies (even if he outs only 1 scum).

On August 01 2012 10:14 gonzaw wrote:
Also damn. I keep looking at the scum team, and if the game hadn't started yet I'd say the scum team would win

Also lol Zealos not only was "caught" yet was actually acting scummy. I can't believe how people didn't lynch him.
Even I thought he was scum until like D4, how the hell did you guys figure out he was town?

On August 01 2012 10:05 slOosh wrote:
Woo it's finally over!

Really didn't expect to replace as an exec, seeing has this was only my second time rolling scum, and because Foolishness talked to gonzaw first, I was clueless for a half cycle, and was just relaying whatever he said because I didn't know what to say.

This game was particularly difficult because as mafia we had to find out who mafia were separately from the thread, and in essence play two games at once, the first to find mafia teammates and the second to then push the not mafia. Not knowing if who you were pushing was 100% town or not causes hesitation, and it probably leaked out in the posts, whereas townies just played regular.

It feels like most effort was put into identifying other mafia members, and therefore less energies were available to mislead / misdirect town.

My first claim was probably panic induced as Foolishness was dead and suddenly I became the scum in charge without a clue how to play. I then pulled out the mole and doctored the PMs - second mistake here. I mistook pardoner for politician in my mind and thought BM was indeed mafia, so screwed up there, and I subbed katina's name with risk's which I believe played a part in his lynch (not sure, wasn't paying too much attention after I died) - didn't know risk was scum so shot ourselves in the foot there too. I wanted to set up Meapak for the late game but I should have realized sooner that medic on mafia team was dumb as heck. Or maybe I realized when he did the worst fake claim of all time.

Maybe if Foolishness was alive a couple more cycles so that we could get some communications going it would have helped us ... but I really think that even without communication just the pure knowledge of knowing who was on your team would be so much better. Like, scum don't get a QT but are given each member's names kinda setup could maybe show the importance of communication better.

All in all, thank you hosts for hosting, and players for playing.
p.s. join Mad Men Mafia so we can start playing.

My first claim was probably panic induced as Foolishness was dead and suddenly I became the scum in charge without a clue how to play

I wanted to set up Meapak for the late game but I should have realized sooner that medic on mafia team was dumb as heck

On August 01 2012 10:32 layabout wrote:
Not knowing your teammates is a tremendous advantage if you want to survive. Minions should not have given a rat's buttock about secretly figuring out who their team mates were. This game gave mafia the tools to play to their town game's. The biggest real issues for minions were the anonymous PM's, BM's stealing power and the difficulty of having to play out a very long game.

On August 01 2012 10:10 gonzaw wrote:
Again:



That "PM Cop" outed three scum when he caught my message.
It's not "irrelevant" if he can catch more than 1 scum with a "check", or can know all about scum's strategies (even if he outs only 1 scum).

On August 01 2012 10:14 gonzaw wrote:
Also damn. I keep looking at the scum team, and if the game hadn't started yet I'd say the scum team would win

Also lol Zealos not only was "caught" yet was actually acting scummy. I can't believe how people didn't lynch him.
Even I thought he was scum until like D4, how the hell did you guys figure out he was town?

On August 01 2012 10:25 Probulous wrote:

I was responding to risk. My point was that playing a solo game would make PM snoopers irrelevant because you would aim to look as townie as possible. Remember snoopers only get PM that go to or come from the person they check.

I made my reasoning quite clear. The claim thing was dumb but it made no sense from a scum perspective either. Actually his whole play this game was terrible but it was not malicious and he doesn't have a record of playing fantastically. Compared to yourself who I know is really inciteful when you roll town, so I knew you were scum. I mean I almost got you lynched Day 1 and the only thing stopping me from pushing you later was I thought you were genuinely busy. That and we had better targets.

Look at your targets for scumhunting. They were easy to push, you never went after the really big fish and you never raised something completely new. If you are behind (people think you are scum) you have to do something different. Something big. It was really hard to establish your innocence in this setup because everyone should have been legitimately scumhunting. This was true for town and for scum. The problem scum had was they decided not to do that on Day 1 which meant you guys were never truly cleared.

On August 01 2012 10:32 layabout wrote:
Not knowing your teammates is a tremendous advantage if you want to survive. Minions should not have given a rat's buttock about secretly figuring out who their team mates were. This game gave mafia the tools to play to their town game's. The biggest real issues for minions were the anonymous PM's, BM's stealing power and the difficulty of having to play out a very long game.

On August 01 2012 10:36 austinmcc wrote:
2 were caught by the snooping, Q-bert-Z was caught by his own posting.

I agree that the role was strong, but we were also lucky in that I never caught a town message. Like, see rasta outing himself because of the double Chez message. Seemed like we would very well might have lynched Chez the next day, outing a nosy employee AND lynching a townie, just because of the town messaging roles. Honestly, in 8 checks we caught 1 scum message between the two of us. Had we caught a few town, especially town messages that were trying to fake mafia instructions...could have led to a couple easy mislynches and the outing of a few power roles. Just didn't play out that way.

Zealos didn't look lovely, but he was so entirely uninvested in the game before that message, and remained so entirely uninvested afterwards, that he didn't feel like a better lynch than other options. Plus, once mafia started flipping, they'd ALL been pushing Zealos. Made it really easy not to lynch the guy when every scum wanted him lynched.

On August 01 2012 10:37 gonzaw wrote:
Couldn't you say the same thing about sloosh?
I mean, his claim didn't "make sense from a scum perspective" either (was just bad), and his play wasn't that incriminating (compared to Zealos at least).
Yet Zealos was never considered as lynch at all yet sloosh was always "almost confirmed scum" ever since he claimed.
Of course, unless I'm missing something that made people think "Zealos is town" and "sloosh is scum" that didn't have anything to do with their "dumb claims/reactions".