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On July 25 2012 15:51 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:Show nested quote +On July 25 2012 15:49 Probulous wrote:On July 25 2012 15:44 Mattchew wrote:On July 25 2012 15:42 VisceraEyes wrote:
TBH I don't think the game was designed for 4 consecutive scum lynches and 2 D1 nuclear launches...but I mean, your guess is as good as mine. no one else has had their vote stolen. So BM's role hasn't been mirror'd. But where would it have been useful? Day was a no-lynch without the role and the other lynches have been almost unanimous. What is the point in revealing the role when it wouldn't make a difference to the outcome. It would be a decent play to wait until there are a few people left and bust it out then to secure a misslynch. wait probulous are you saying that you think the mirror theory is correct?
No. I was simply responding to Matt who does.
It is possible that it is correct. If Chez and Sandroba are the mirrors of the Chairman of the Board amd Marketing, then we have space for the power roles. It would mean a scum VE which would pain me severely. I have liked his play this game and I would feel real shitty to get played like that.
There are some questions that would need to be answered but his actions could be explained by a mafia viewpoint.
He shot BH because he was pushing BH from early and didn't want to out himself. BH was going to die so why not take the cred.
He gave me the lynch because he has no more non-scummy buddies to give it too. He was hoping I misslynched hence his attempts to discredit me beforehand. His whole reason for giving me the lynch was to "test" me and when I pass I am suddenly scum? He needs to get me lynched but I have played pretty well this game so he needs to find another way. So he uses the mirror thing to get the jump on me and try and convince people that I am scum based on roles.
His attempts to discredit Chez makes sense as well because Chez has had good reads all game.
What I don't understand is why he would offer himself as a 1:1 trade. Surely when I flip he will flip next, so why bother?
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Probulous if you intend to swing this around on me I hope you have a contingency for when I flip town. I think you might be capable, but you now know that I'll flip town.
Town, please pay attention to what's happening right now. MZ and Probulous are now colluding in light of my discovery. They're both hesitant to lynch Chezinu.
I REALLY don't want to have to make a spreadsheet and hypothesize variables and convince you guys...just look at the flips, look at them. Both Bugs and Palmar were both TWO SHOT Pardoners. Two shot, as in both of them could do it twice per game. Neither one of them even considered using it to save their teammates, because neither one of them realized it could spiral like this. I'm actually glad Palmar was as uninvested as he was or he probably would have pardoned himself just to buy time.
Honestly, it's what we've got - and seriously, we're way way ahead.
Now, here's what I'm thinking: you scummy bastards are right, it is possible that Chez and Sand were mirroring the Executives...it fits with the theme, etc etc. I'm willing to wait on syllo's opinion before committing to action at this point.
Can we all agree that if someone launches a nuke they're immediately lynched though? I mean, seriously, whether you're implicated by this theory or not, that's just TOO MUCH right?
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ve, read the thread. really. we discussed the slooshtopic like 1474383 pages. no he did not claim the same role.
I want you all role claim you exact rolename and abilitys now.
i dont lynch based on a stupid mirrortheory, if i dont have all roleclaims.
today's lynch will be determined the good old behaviorbased way.
even though you still are welcome to roleclaim, meapak.
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don't be paranoid VE, I am in no way colluding with probulous, I am hesitant to lynch Chezinu because even within the realm of your theory I think it's more likely that Chez mirrors an executive. That's not even taking into account the fact that he's largely played protown and had decent reads.
I am however very much in favor of lynching the first person who launches a nuke.
On an unrelated note, did you know dogs can get hiccups? Mine currently has them and it's driving me nuts lol.
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On July 25 2012 16:26 supersoft wrote:
ve, read the thread. really. we discussed the slooshtopic like 1474383 pages. no he did not claim the same role.
i dont lynch based on a stupid mirrortheory, if i dont have all roleclaims.
today's lynch will be determined the good old behaviorbased way.
even though you still are welcome to roleclaim, meapak.
edit: no i dont want a roleclaim just yet. the possible medic may have done a good job and i want to see if we get lucky again tomorrow. we can still do a mass roleclaim after we lynched mz and sloosh.
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Mass claim unnecessarily improves scum aim. Right now they have to choose how to handle this situation supersoft, and I'm against a mass-claim.
We have information enough to decide a lynch with the claims we have.
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On July 25 2012 16:26 supersoft wrote:
ve, read the thread. really. we discussed the slooshtopic like 1474383 pages. no he did not claim the same role.
I want you all role claim you exact rolename and abilitys now.
i dont lynch based on a stupid mirrortheory, if i dont have all roleclaims.
today's lynch will be determined the good old behaviorbased way.
even though you still are welcome to roleclaim, meapak.
-_-
Don't ask for role claims if you're certain you're going to lynch me. That's just idiotic and gives scum more information than they need.
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I'm willing to submit to lynch if you guys lynch Probulous next to test the theory. I will flip town.
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damn telephone.
meapak do it now. i bet you claim vt :-D
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GUYS i mistyped that. i already corrected myself. no mass roleclaim. no lynch based on roles.
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On July 25 2012 16:32 supersoft wrote:
damn telephone.
meapak do it now. i bet you claim vt :-D
I'm not going to roleclaim
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good. if you think i am now afraid that you're medic, you're wrong :D
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On July 25 2012 16:36 supersoft wrote:
good. if you think i am now afraid that you're medic, you're wrong :D
You're not going to get me lynched. Like the rest of the long line of my accusers, you have no case, you're simply parroting what Palmar started. If you think I'm remotely concerned about dying then you're wrong.
If we can all consider some serious lynch candidates for a moment, I really don't like the idea of lynching anybody to prove your theory VE. I'd much prefer if we spent some time on sloosh or zealos. Also worth looking into are austin and I haven't forgotten about rastaban. In fact, depending on how things go with sloosh and zealos, it may actually be time to lynch rastaban today.
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we have a case. If you read the thread, you will find it.
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On July 25 2012 16:45 supersoft wrote:
we have a case. If you read the thread, you will find it.
lol.
You're a good player supersoft but your weakness is that you sometimes get hopelessly arrogant. You don't have a case, I'm not getting lynched.
Moving on how about we hear from you on who you'd realistically like to lynch today.
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hey! It's not my fault that we ended up on 2 different teams to consecutive games. :D
Seriously Meapak, you're the realistic lynchtarget today.
It's nothing personal Meapak, it's purely business.
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On July 25 2012 16:47 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:Show nested quote +On July 25 2012 16:45 supersoft wrote:
we have a case. If you read the thread, you will find it. lol. You're a good player supersoft but your weakness is that you sometimes get hopelessly arrogant. You don't have a case, I'm not getting lynched. Moving on how about we hear from you on who you'd realistically like to lynch today.
btw. You're a good player, too. But i couldn't see that this game. That's one main allegation.
You're not town, simply because you didn't reach your own standart.
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Meapak super's right, in spite of the fact that you keep saying people don't have a case on you, there is actually a case to be made. The fact that no one can be arsed is actually indicative of it, not the opposite. People want to lynch you because you've been acting passive and scummy.
You're absolutely a realistic lynch today, and it's in your best interest to accept that fact. Continuing to insist that you're unlynchable is like, so very scummy and you really need to stop doing it.
So yeah, I guess I'm waiting to hear from syllo and marvel on what they make of all this. In the meantime, this is a pool of players I'll lynch into in a heartbeat.
Meapak_Ziphh, Probulous, Zealos, austinmcc, BM
BM because I think he might be the Trecherous Employee. A role that steals powers sounds like the kind of thing that looks for a CEO if you know what I mean. And that would give leeway for a role to not be mirrored, which could have been designed to throw this very kind of thinking off the scent.
Ugh, so much wrapped up in this theory that fits. What would KILL it guys? Maybe that's where we're going wrong...maybe we should be figuring out if there's any way this DOESN'T work. For instance, Probulous being town (from my perspective) breaks this theory. That would be my path of least resistance if the goal is "breaking" my theory. Can anyone think of a way to break this theory that does NOT involve killing someone who has, in the last 2 cycles, single-handedly lynched scum?
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On July 25 2012 16:59 supersoft wrote:Show nested quote +On July 25 2012 16:47 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On July 25 2012 16:45 supersoft wrote:
we have a case. If you read the thread, you will find it. lol. You're a good player supersoft but your weakness is that you sometimes get hopelessly arrogant. You don't have a case, I'm not getting lynched. Moving on how about we hear from you on who you'd realistically like to lynch today. btw. You're a good player, too. But i couldn't see that this game. That's one main allegation. You're not town, simply because you didn't reach your own standart.
That is a hopelessly bad argument. I recognize that my activity level isn't as high as I would like it to be, however my play hasn't been "bad." My reads have been good and I haven't made any major mistakes that hurt the town. No I haven't been as active as I usually am but if you actually take a moment to look at what I've done it's consistent with my standard town play, just on a smaller scale. If you're going to base your "main allegation" off of meta, at least read some scum games and see the difference.
This discussion is probably not going to get anywhere tonight so I'm going to bed. Tomorrow we'll decide whether it's a sloosh or zealos lynch. Maybe could even be rastaban's turn.
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On July 25 2012 02:51 syllogism wrote:Show nested quote +On July 25 2012 02:21 HiroPro wrote:On July 25 2012 02:18 supersoft wrote:
We are not lynching Zealos tomorrow. We lynch Meapak Explain the case to me then please. He has been very passive and his behavior near day 1 lynch deadline was quite suspicious. First he wanted to switch from BH to Gonzaw because mattchew's vote was "stuck" on gonzaw. He also stated that he was fine with lynching either BH or Gonzaw and cites Sandroba's support being one of his reasons for support gonzaw lynch. However, after the no-lynch he started the blame game in a very noncommittal manner, vaguely alluding to people responsible for the gonzaw wagon when BH and austin wagons were "well established". Now, who is responsible for Gonzaw wagon? Sandroba and Probulous, the former who is considered nearly confirmed town by this point! He also says people who "threw their vote away" are also under scrutiny, but they certainly didn't come under any scrutiny from Mr. Meapak. It's also worth nothing that Meapak hadn't voted at all until he showed up 45 minutes before the lynch when BH wagon was the dominant one. He had to vote, so he pretty much had no choice but to vote BH at the time. It doesn't get much more passive than this: Show nested quote +On July 20 2012 04:06 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On July 20 2012 04:01 HiroPro wrote:
MZ, you think Zealos is scum? I do actually. He came in, was under some pressure, and then promptly checked out once he was safe. To me that's always extremely scummy. If you were a serious lynch target you had better work your ass off to give town reason to keep you around next time. Zealos hasn't done that. Show nested quote +On July 20 2012 04:07 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On July 20 2012 04:02 Blazinghand wrote:
I think Zealos is scum! The literal non-thread-reading and utter garbage that tries to look town but isn't makes him like my #1 scumread. Well that's nice to know, I'd appreciate if you wrote out a case. You're lucky to not be dying today so I think you should make some serious contributions to give people reasons to rethink their position on you. At the time Meapak is still sure that BH is mafia (though for some reason he writes a case on Rastaban instaed), but right after saying he thinks Zealos is mafia he weakly asks BH to write a case on Zealos. Now he, just like Palmar was, is barely posting and doesn't seem to care at all.
On July 25 2012 06:32 marvellosity wrote:Oki doki, here are my thoughts (so you can hold me accountable, VE  ) Meapak_Ziph: Yeah, there's a high likelihood he's scum. syllogism pre-empted what I was going to say about him a couple of pages ago: + Show Spoiler +On July 25 2012 02:51 syllogism wrote:Show nested quote +On July 25 2012 02:21 HiroPro wrote:On July 25 2012 02:18 supersoft wrote:
We are not lynching Zealos tomorrow. We lynch Meapak Explain the case to me then please. He has been very passive and his behavior near day 1 lynch deadline was quite suspicious. First he wanted to switch from BH to Gonzaw because mattchew's vote was "stuck" on gonzaw. He also stated that he was fine with lynching either BH or Gonzaw and cites Sandroba's support being one of his reasons for support gonzaw lynch. However, after the no-lynch he started the blame game in a very noncommittal manner, vaguely alluding to people responsible for the gonzaw wagon when BH and austin wagons were "well established". Now, who is responsible for Gonzaw wagon? Sandroba and Probulous, the former who is considered nearly confirmed town by this point! He also says people who "threw their vote away" are also under scrutiny, but they certainly didn't come under any scrutiny from Mr. Meapak. It's also worth nothing that Meapak hadn't voted at all until he showed up 45 minutes before the lynch when BH wagon was the dominant one. He had to vote, so he pretty much had no choice but to vote BH at the time. It doesn't get much more passive than this: Show nested quote +On July 20 2012 04:06 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On July 20 2012 04:01 HiroPro wrote:
MZ, you think Zealos is scum? I do actually. He came in, was under some pressure, and then promptly checked out once he was safe. To me that's always extremely scummy. If you were a serious lynch target you had better work your ass off to give town reason to keep you around next time. Zealos hasn't done that. Show nested quote +On July 20 2012 04:07 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On July 20 2012 04:02 Blazinghand wrote:
I think Zealos is scum! The literal non-thread-reading and utter garbage that tries to look town but isn't makes him like my #1 scumread. Well that's nice to know, I'd appreciate if you wrote out a case. You're lucky to not be dying today so I think you should make some serious contributions to give people reasons to rethink their position on you. At the time Meapak is still sure that BH is mafia (though for some reason he writes a case on Rastaban instaed), but right after saying he thinks Zealos is mafia he weakly asks BH to write a case on Zealos. Now he, just like Palmar was, is barely posting and doesn't seem to care at all. Passivity is the name of the game. I have two recent memories of Meapak playing town, that is Liar mafia and LV. In Liar Mafia Meapak was a central figure, being a part of the meapak/gonzaw/ET town circle. More pertinently, in LV he believed he had found scum in VisceraEyes, and what did he do? He made a big case and then relentlessly pushed VE until he got his lynch. We have none of this here. Here he has 'found scum' in rastaban and makes a case. Except he never pushes anyone to lynch rastaban, even though he pops up on occasion to go "yeah rastaban is still scum" and the like. Meapak is uninvested and scum.
On July 22 2012 09:25 Katina wrote:
Meapak: Picks on easy targets for the most part. The only one he hard pushs is rastaban who hasn't been too active this game. He makes for an easy target. Meapak continues to push rastaban when it's clear that no one is going to go for it. His Mafia list is pretty meh, As I said the only hard read he has been pushing is rastaban to try and make it look like he's scum hunting so he doesn't draw too much suspicion.
if you somehow didn't catch it, meapak :-D
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