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On July 25 2012 15:23 supersoft wrote: stop. we are definetely not lynching Chezinu. wtf :D Everyone hold your shit for a second. VE don't go all conspiracy theorist yet, that's austin's job iirc.
I propose we lynch zealos today. It's long overdue and it'll whittle down scum numbers even more.
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On July 25 2012 15:25 Probulous wrote:Show nested quote +On July 25 2012 15:18 Mattchew wrote: ##vote Chezinu
if we are going to test this theory on someone, it might as well be the least useful of those we are trying to test it on (and the one with a direct town-flipped counterpart) This is downright stupid. Think about it, we have two confirmed mirror roles. What does a third do? If you think Chez is scum because of his actions, then post a case, but lynching him because we want to test the mirror role thing is scummy as all hell. It has been "tested" and twice it has been found to be true. So if you accept that it is true that every role has a mirror than you can push Chez based on your belief but not to "test" it. So we aren't in a position where we can test a theory that nets us 2 scum?
However, VE I have no seen a mirror to BM's role.
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On July 25 2012 15:30 supersoft wrote: we have also me. I am towndreamflower. But we also should have 2 executives, so we could have 2 messenger roles in our team. And so far we have no counterpart to sloosh. This is a good point, if the mirror theory holds true then sloosh is probably the mafia nuke.
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EBWOP:
hmm I should make it clear that I'm not 100% sold on the mirror theory yet, just pointing out that if it's true sloosh is almost certainly scum.
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Could we have the OP updated?
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On July 25 2012 15:33 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:Show nested quote +On July 25 2012 15:30 supersoft wrote: we have also me. I am towndreamflower. But we also should have 2 executives, so we could have 2 messenger roles in our team. And so far we have no counterpart to sloosh. This is a good point, if the mirror theory holds true then sloosh is probably the mafia nuke. nah sloosh/supersoft would be the mafia vig, who actually shot foolishness lol
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Matt, hasn't it been tested already?
What exactly does another flip tell us that the previous ones haven't? It's a really bad reason to lynch someone.
@Meapak
Why did Zealos leave out the first line from sandroba's PM? I just don't understand how his reaction to sandroba makes him scum. Either he deliberately chose to remove that line and not respond to sandroba in thread, or he is dumb and wasn't reading.
Wait a second, maybe he expected Sandroba to die that night alleviating him of the need to post the PM? But that doesn't explain why he left out the first line. I don't get it, can someone explain to me?
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This is the PM Chezinu sent me last night...or I'm assuming it was last night because it came with the night-post.
Your doing Great! VE. Just keep the suspension on me. Prob doesn't seem to be helping much though.
By saying after sand flips that you would know my role, I mean I had his role! I was fake lynching sand (it was no where close - I even joked around about it in the thread, I even thought you did too) in hopes mafia wouldn't kill him. But they did.. If you noticed BEFORE Sand died, he was on my pro-town list along with you and Prob.
By saying I would be Prob's leader I was implying I was a Bossy employee. Please don't tell him the truth. Let him believe what he much for town to be united. I will break it to him later, since I'm wasting this pm on you. I'll probably message him tomorrow. BUT THE MAFIA CAN'T KNOW THIS! Let them believe that I can see roles such as Prob's, the lawyers, and the craze employee.
I said the mirror thing BEFORE Kurumi was dead and said if he was town then it means nothing!
Oh and about the two missing messages. I was really busy one day and missed the deadline by minutes. The next one went to a seemingly pro-town player. I may reveal it later. Please just trust me. I'm making a huge risk by sending this pm to you because you could still be mafia who just gave away a free present for town. But you gotta take some risks sometimes, like I did with Prob -- and it sure was proven to worth wild. I rock the PM world, where I speak the truth to few. This time its YOU! YAy! oh and the host.. cause sometimes I go a little crazy without having someone to talk to. I don't have time to find all the quotes in the thread, but I make it quite obvious. I claimed that I'm a Boss many time before Sand flipped. Now that you know what to look for it should be easy. So yeah, I'm a Bossy Employee.
Don't post this in the thread until maybe the next day or possibly a little later. Actually can you just ask me in the thread for permission? Cause revealing this pm would ruin my plans. Oh, and your the one who suggested sand. But we both realized he was innocent before it was too late anyways. But mafia killed him .
Hopefully your attacks on me keeps me alive -- I was thinking that I was most likely to get hit by mafia at this time than town anyways. But I don't want to push my luck too much.
So Chezinu is now NOT claiming that his role is called "Director of Communication" and it is instead called "Bossy Employee", the role that Sandroba flipped.
Let it all sink in. Chezinu is talking about "his plans" and whatever, but he's been TROLLING ALL GAME LONG. I don't care at all about "his plans" because he hasn't seen fit to do town any favors by making a lick of sense all game. So whatever man, don't vote for him. I think enough people will because his playstyle is, in general, disliked. Hope you like popcorn.
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On July 25 2012 15:35 Mattchew wrote:Show nested quote +On July 25 2012 15:33 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On July 25 2012 15:30 supersoft wrote: we have also me. I am towndreamflower. But we also should have 2 executives, so we could have 2 messenger roles in our team. And so far we have no counterpart to sloosh. This is a good point, if the mirror theory holds true then sloosh is probably the mafia nuke. nah sloosh/supersoft would be the mafia vig, who actually shot foolishness lol Only one of them can have actually killed foolishness.
Here's my biggest problem with the mirror theory. There are 4 scum left, 2 are execs. That only leaves 2 other possible minions with roles. The mirror theory simply doesn't hold up since we know there are more than 2 townies with PRs.
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On July 25 2012 15:36 Probulous wrote: Matt, hasn't it been tested already?
What exactly does another flip tell us that the previous ones haven't? It's a really bad reason to lynch someone.
@Meapak
Why did Zealos leave out the first line from sandroba's PM? I just don't understand how his reaction to sandroba makes him scum. Either he deliberately chose to remove that line and not respond to sandroba in thread, or he is dumb and wasn't reading.
Wait a second, maybe he expected Sandroba to die that night alleviating him of the need to post the PM? But that doesn't explain why he left out the first line. I don't get it, can someone explain to me? I mean if it aint broke don't fix it type shit... but the problem is supersoft brings up a good point with chezinu+sand = 2execs so we would have to lynch into scum between you and VE and I don't feel comfortable doing that
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On July 25 2012 15:38 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:Show nested quote +On July 25 2012 15:35 Mattchew wrote:On July 25 2012 15:33 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On July 25 2012 15:30 supersoft wrote: we have also me. I am towndreamflower. But we also should have 2 executives, so we could have 2 messenger roles in our team. And so far we have no counterpart to sloosh. This is a good point, if the mirror theory holds true then sloosh is probably the mafia nuke. nah sloosh/supersoft would be the mafia vig, who actually shot foolishness lol Only one of them can have actually killed foolishness. Here's my biggest problem with the mirror theory. There are 4 scum left, 2 are execs. That only leaves 2 other possible minions with roles. The mirror theory simply doesn't hold up since we know there are more than 2 townies with PRs. uh, double stack?
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TBH I don't think the game was designed for 4 consecutive scum lynches and 2 D1 nuclear launches...but I mean, your guess is as good as mine.
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On July 25 2012 15:36 Probulous wrote: Matt, hasn't it been tested already?
What exactly does another flip tell us that the previous ones haven't? It's a really bad reason to lynch someone.
@Meapak
Why did Zealos leave out the first line from sandroba's PM? I just don't understand how his reaction to sandroba makes him scum. Either he deliberately chose to remove that line and not respond to sandroba in thread, or he is dumb and wasn't reading.
Wait a second, maybe he expected Sandroba to die that night alleviating him of the need to post the PM? But that doesn't explain why he left out the first line. I don't get it, can someone explain to me? hmm I had forgotten the whole bit where he took stuff out of the PM which is just incredibly dumb. I don't understand it either, however when I read that whole thing as it happened zealos just came across as scum who had gotten caught flat footed. Couple that with sandroba's flip and I felt really good about him being scum. The fact that he's basically disappeared hasn't helped my perception of him at all. If you're under suspicion and you're town you should be demonstrating why you're not mafia by being helpful and contributing... zealos has declined to do this. You could be right and he could simply be monumentally stupid.
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Would it be possible that there are two town messaging people to mirror the executives? The name Bossy Employee kind of fits with mirroring actual bosses. Both of them are allowed to PM with a restriction of once a day/cycle (I'm not sure what it is). That makes sense in my mind.
Again, if you vote Chez for his playstyle then you will lynch him as town as much as scum. Maybe you are happy with that. Contrary to what you may think Chez has been awesome this game. Take a look at his reads. I don't want to lynch someone who has been right so often.
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On July 25 2012 15:42 VisceraEyes wrote: TBH I don't think the game was designed for 4 consecutive scum lynches and 2 D1 nuclear launches...but I mean, your guess is as good as mine. no one else has had their vote stolen. So BM's role hasn't been mirror'd.
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On July 25 2012 15:44 Mattchew wrote:Show nested quote +On July 25 2012 15:42 VisceraEyes wrote: TBH I don't think the game was designed for 4 consecutive scum lynches and 2 D1 nuclear launches...but I mean, your guess is as good as mine. no one else has had their vote stolen. So BM's role hasn't been mirror'd.
But where would it have been useful? Day was a no-lynch without the role and the other lynches have been almost unanimous. What is the point in revealing the role when it wouldn't make a difference to the outcome. It would be a decent play to wait until there are a few people left and bust it out then to secure a misslynch.
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On July 25 2012 15:40 Mattchew wrote:Show nested quote +On July 25 2012 15:38 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On July 25 2012 15:35 Mattchew wrote:On July 25 2012 15:33 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On July 25 2012 15:30 supersoft wrote: we have also me. I am towndreamflower. But we also should have 2 executives, so we could have 2 messenger roles in our team. And so far we have no counterpart to sloosh. This is a good point, if the mirror theory holds true then sloosh is probably the mafia nuke. nah sloosh/supersoft would be the mafia vig, who actually shot foolishness lol Only one of them can have actually killed foolishness. Here's my biggest problem with the mirror theory. There are 4 scum left, 2 are execs. That only leaves 2 other possible minions with roles. The mirror theory simply doesn't hold up since we know there are more than 2 townies with PRs. uh, double stack? I would have thought the minions would have been warned off of shooting foolishness given how easy it would have been for someone to shoot foolishness and get away with it had he been town. I can understand the rational behind a mafia vig shooting foolishness which is exactly why I'd expect him to have warned people against it.
The more I think about it though, it doesn't matter either way since sloosh is scum no matter which way you slice it according to the mirror theory. Unless you think supersoft could be scum but I doubt it.
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On July 25 2012 15:49 Probulous wrote:Show nested quote +On July 25 2012 15:44 Mattchew wrote:On July 25 2012 15:42 VisceraEyes wrote: TBH I don't think the game was designed for 4 consecutive scum lynches and 2 D1 nuclear launches...but I mean, your guess is as good as mine. no one else has had their vote stolen. So BM's role hasn't been mirror'd. But where would it have been useful? Day was a no-lynch without the role and the other lynches have been almost unanimous. What is the point in revealing the role when it wouldn't make a difference to the outcome. It would be a decent play to wait until there are a few people left and bust it out then to secure a misslynch. wait probulous are you saying that you think the mirror theory is correct?
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On July 25 2012 15:49 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:Show nested quote +On July 25 2012 15:40 Mattchew wrote:On July 25 2012 15:38 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On July 25 2012 15:35 Mattchew wrote:On July 25 2012 15:33 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On July 25 2012 15:30 supersoft wrote: we have also me. I am towndreamflower. But we also should have 2 executives, so we could have 2 messenger roles in our team. And so far we have no counterpart to sloosh. This is a good point, if the mirror theory holds true then sloosh is probably the mafia nuke. nah sloosh/supersoft would be the mafia vig, who actually shot foolishness lol Only one of them can have actually killed foolishness. Here's my biggest problem with the mirror theory. There are 4 scum left, 2 are execs. That only leaves 2 other possible minions with roles. The mirror theory simply doesn't hold up since we know there are more than 2 townies with PRs. uh, double stack? I would have thought the minions would have been warned off of shooting foolishness given how easy it would have been for someone to shoot foolishness and get away with it had he been town. I can understand the rational behind a mafia vig shooting foolishness which is exactly why I'd expect him to have warned people against it. The more I think about it though, it doesn't matter either way since sloosh is scum no matter which way you slice it according to the mirror theory. Unless you think supersoft could be scum but I doubt it. it depends on how often execs can speak with their minions and how much info they disclosed. But shooting the guy basically everyone thought was scum is a good way to earn town cred. idk why sloosh/super would fakeclaim that shot knowing he would be counter-claimed
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What did slOosh claim?
Did both slOosh and supersoft claim the same thing?
UGH, fine, I'll research the theory completely and write up a post or something. But guys, I'm pretty sure this is what's going down.
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