could you elaborate on this syllo? I'm still struggling with it. I can't think of a good enough reason he'd fakeclaim there to satisfy me that's what he did

There doesn't have to be a good reason other than poor play. The role does not make sense and his in thread actions do not match the claim.

syllogism

Finland5948 Posts

July 26 2012 13:01 GMT

#3533

On July 26 2012 21:57 marvellosity wrote:

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Yeah, I totally agree with you his in-thread actions did not match up to a shot on Foolishness. But why bring attention to himself with the claim??

He was going to get some attention anyway due to his defense of foolishness. Obviously the intend of the claim was to earn town cred and clearly it's working because even with all these issues with the claim, not just the role itself, you don't think he is mafia. It's certainly possible that he isn't, but it's far more likely that he is. Again, bad claims frequently happen and you can always make that same argument.

syllogism

Finland5948 Posts

July 26 2012 13:03 GMT

#3534

He hasn't even ONCE questioned supersoft's claim. Indeed, he hasn't even mentioned him at all. How is that natural when you "know" you shot foolishness?

syllogism

Finland5948 Posts

July 26 2012 15:54 GMT

#3545

BH, Palmar and Layabout all pushed zealos lynch. It obviously doesn't clear him, but it is another reason why I don't consider him a priority. While they all flipped minion, they could have easily received orders to push for the lynch.

syllogism

Finland5948 Posts

July 26 2012 16:06 GMT

#3553

On July 27 2012 01:02 Bill Murray wrote:
sloosh/supersoft counterclaim 50% lynch imo

Vote Sloosh, not supersoft

syllogism

Finland5948 Posts

July 26 2012 16:13 GMT

#3556

risk you haven't done anything at all in this game and you even refuse to cooperate, why is that? Even there you did your own thing rather than following instructions. If you don't have time to play, at least you should be cooperative or get yourself replaced. If you are town of course

syllogism

Finland5948 Posts

July 26 2012 16:25 GMT

#3558

Also we definitely aren't lynching zealos today, so if you keep your vote on zealos you are intentionally voting for no lynch

syllogism

Finland5948 Posts

July 26 2012 16:53 GMT

#3561

See I thought you could be the traitor, but I couldn't figure out why you would fake claim. Are you under chairman of marketing or of the board?

syllogism

Finland5948 Posts

July 26 2012 17:03 GMT

#3564

I'm curious about these parts

Something big is going to happen with the day post. With limited KP and large town numbers, this game will drag on and it is crucial that we have key players in the endgame. We are setting up a counterclaim. Check out WBG's C9++. The CEO tells me that we have stuff in place to resolve everything. It is likely that you will quickly be found out - that is ideal, it adds credibility; however, you must remain alive long enough for the other pieces of the plan to fit.

Could this refer to only your claim or could it be that mafia really shot foolishness and supersoft is mafia as well?

Go along with what risk.nuke and Foolishness are saying. The votes were moving all over the place day 1, and people need to be held accountable.

Well this directly seems to incriminate risk, but given that risk hasn't really said anything useful at all and they knew about the traitor, it could just be there to throw us off.

syllogism

Finland5948 Posts

July 26 2012 17:06 GMT

#3567

Actually yes, this must mean that supersoft is mafia because they could not have known that foolishness gets shot otherwise. I suppose BH shot foolishness and two other mafia claimed the shot. Supersoft why did you post "wooops" after day post if you shot foolishness?

syllogism

Finland5948 Posts

July 26 2012 17:08 GMT

#3568

I think BH was supposed to claim the shot, but he got lynched before he could claim the shot. That is why supersoft posted "wooops" and then later counterclaimed; they had to change who claims the shot.

syllogism

Finland5948 Posts

July 26 2012 17:13 GMT

#3572

We don't want to nuke Sloosh anymore, ##nuke supersoft or gonzaw rather.

Sloosh wins with town

syllogism

Finland5948 Posts

July 26 2012 17:17 GMT

#3577

On July 27 2012 02:15 VisceraEyes wrote:
Commutor - that makes someone not able to be targeted at night right? Syllo didn't you say you survived the night?

I'm not going to discuss how I survived the night. I'm very obviously town and you are not helping.

syllogism

Finland5948 Posts

July 26 2012 17:20 GMT

#3582

I'm not casting doubt on you, I just don't want to discuss the topic. I'll rather leave mafia guessing.

syllogism

Finland5948 Posts

July 26 2012 17:28 GMT

#3585

Numbers count with mafia only means that OP mafia numbers include the traitor. Remember, until CEO flips there is no reason for town to believe that there is a traitor, so claiming traitor wouldn't save him from lynch unless CEO is dead.

It's fairly clear that BH did shoot Foolishness and it is very likely that he was going to claim the shot, but you lynched him before he could. He didn't get to make a single post after the day post in which foolishness died. They had to change their plans and have supersoft claim the shot. This had been bugging me for a while, but supersoft posted this after foolishness died.

On July 22 2012 09:17 supersoft wrote:
wooooooooops

Why would someone who shot foolishness post that?

syllogism

Finland5948 Posts

July 26 2012 17:40 GMT

#3593

On July 27 2012 02:34 VisceraEyes wrote:
For the some reason someone types "BOOOM Headshot" like I do when I nail scum.

I don't know, that's pretty null itself...but the fact that "something big" was coming and Foolishness died does seem to indicate that scum were shooting Foolishness.

:/

I'ma digest this some more. So are you of the opinion that town doesn't have a vig then?

It's possible that foolishness was shot by both town and mafia, but it's quite clear that at least mafia (BH) shot him. Supersoft defended palmar quite a bit until foolishness flip and later claimed that he was just pretending so palmar could play "without pressure". I assumed that was just embellishing his reads (we are all sometimes guilty of that), but perhaps he is just mafia. I will have to read his filter and consider.

syllogism

Finland5948 Posts

July 26 2012 17:49 GMT

#3599

Supersoft you seem to be panicking in a manner that suggest you are indeed mafia. Meapak wanted to lynch sloosh today, while gonzaw didn't, don't you think nuking gonzaw makes more sense?

syllogism

Finland5948 Posts

July 26 2012 18:00 GMT

#3606

I think we should still lynch gonzaw today and consider supersoft later. I think gonzaw is beyond redemption now that sloosh turned out to be "mafia".

syllogism

Finland5948 Posts

July 26 2012 18:17 GMT

#3613

It still makes sense for there to be a town dreamflower and supersoft's reactions feel genuine to me. Supersoft you have to understand the necessity to reconsider based on those executive PMs sloosh posted. Also, if you are town and you think meapak is mafia, why do you think meapak wants to lynch sloosh today? I suppose he could have figured out that sloosh is traitor, but otherwise wouldn't it make more sense for him to push gonzaw lynch, assuming gonzaw is town?

We should lynch gonzaw today

syllogism

Finland5948 Posts

July 26 2012 18:27 GMT

#3616

If someone wants to be useful, go through the thread looking combing for these

The CEO and I are in the process of figuring who has what - if you have the passive role make a passing accusation of one of the quiet players. If not ask a question / speculate about the setup and possible roles.