Normal Mini Mafia II

On July 02 2012 06:05 marvellosity wrote:
VE <33333

On July 03 2012 05:03 MsZontar wrote:
/in

On July 03 2012 11:10 drwiggl3s wrote:


:D

drwiggles was just temp banned for 2 days by Manifesto7.

That account was created on 2011-04-08 12:36:54 and had 15 posts.

Reason: No picture in the picture thrad. Our thrread warnings arent bullshit.

Banned whileni eat dinner.

On July 06 2012 11:27 Zephirdd wrote:
My opinion is that going "besides everyone's usual fill of Policy Lynch is bad" is cutting on the discussion and reducing the potential subjects for dicussing, thus reducing the potential to scumhunting. Who wants to avoid scumhunters? scum.

Bluelightz, you're scum?

On July 06 2012 11:30 Bluelightz wrote:


It's just from my expierience that when someone start's a discussion about policy lynches everyone always think it's bad so therefore I just cut to the chase and get started with scum hunting.

On July 06 2012 11:32 Zephirdd wrote:
you're not cutting to the chase, having that part of the discussion is great. Even if people agree, the way they do it is what matters.

However, if they don't even need to do it, we wouldn't find their "way" and we wouldn't have useful information for scumhunting in the first place.

On July 06 2012 11:37 Bluelightz wrote:


If using Policy lynches for scumhunting is their way, well, that's how they scum hunt,is it important that we know "their" way of scumhunting? Explain the bolded part please, I don't see how having that part of the discussion is great.

My opinions on that Policy Lynch Discussion:
1. That it waste's time that could be used for scum hunting.
2. That from countless games everyone will probably say "Lynch All Liars sucks, Lynch All Lurkers for day 1!" (but if someone has a opinions on LaLiars or LaLurkers please share it)

On July 06 2012 11:55 Dangeresque77 wrote:
Yea I agree.

If we dont find something to talk about then we won't find out Whoes scum.
Policies for lynching is as good a topic as any

On July 06 2012 12:10 Dangeresque77 wrote:




Basically I just say all that lynch all liers lynch all lurkers etc.

But yea it's sircumstantual, I mean im not gonna just condem someone just because he breaks a rule period.

On July 06 2012 12:51 Dangeresque77 wrote:


As response to your first question on me. I don't know what to tell you. I figure that lynching policy is just a good conversation starter. It gets people talking and it helps scum hunt


In response to the second. what I ment was that I believe that we can't just kill someone without stopping to think about it first if he broke a policy.
99 percent of the time I'll be for it but I like to think about it a little bit before I just vote lynch

On July 06 2012 17:49 NoSmurfHere wrote:
sup guys I'm vanilla town

I go sleep now

On July 06 2012 20:06 Bluelightz wrote:


What the hell? What are you doing? trying to shit up town discussion? tell me a good reason why are you doing this please, I don't know why anyone should claim (except if their name is Kenpachi).

On July 07 2012 08:46 Bluelightz wrote:
[b]prplhz[b]

Let's see, he opens this game with this post:



A vote with no reason which is explained with a reason that

On July 07 2012 08:48 drwiggl3s wrote:
I don't think dangeresque is being weird. I think slOosh gave good reason after his initial post and "ninja vote". I am suspicious of sinensis. MsZontar's actions don't seem out of the ordinary to me. I'd attack you to if I didn't just get out of a game with you where you were playing just like this (but were town). And yes I also think prplhz behavior is scummy.

Is any of this enough for a lynch? yes. Is any of it good enough for a sure fire mafia lynch? no. So i want others to talk.

On July 06 2012 22:23 prplhz wrote:
when it comes to sloosh my bullshit tolerance level is pretty low

marv ignoring me because scum

On July 07 2012 08:52 drwiggl3s wrote:
Is any of this enough for a lynch? yes. Is any of it good enough for a sure fire mafia lynch? no. So i want others to talk.

I don't want to throw blame around on behalf of weak cases when I'm actually waiting to see more. I was just stating my opinions so far on what's happened D1.

On July 07 2012 08:48 drwiggl3s wrote:
I don't think dangeresque is being weird. I think slOosh gave good reason after his initial post and "ninja vote". I am suspicious of sinensis. MsZontar's actions don't seem out of the ordinary to me. I'd attack you to if I didn't just get out of a game with you where you were playing just like this (but were town). And yes I also think prplhz behavior is scummy.

Is any of this enough for a lynch? yes. Is any of it good enough for a sure fire mafia lynch? no. So i want others to talk.

On July 07 2012 08:54 drwiggl3s wrote:
Well then that tells me two things. 1 your a shitty vig. And 2 you have weak reads if the best you can do at night is shoot another town.

On July 07 2012 08:55 drwiggl3s wrote:
Blue i am saying there's not enough to make a strong case. there's enough to make a weak case, and it's already been made throughout the thread on those players.

On July 07 2012 08:57 Bluelightz wrote:
[b]

yes why is there enough to make a weak case and not a strong case? what do you think is a strong case wiggl3s?

On July 07 2012 09:08 NoSmurfHere wrote:
*yawn*

Wiggl3s whose smurf are you? Unless you're actually decent at this game we can only laugh at you telling marv he was killing townies in his last game. He can probably learn something from it, but being a player and having knowledge are two completely separate things. Thus trying to attack his argument on the assumption that he is bad is simply an exercise in logical fallacy.

On July 06 2012 20:06 Bluelightz wrote:


What the hell? What are you doing? trying to shit up town discussion? tell me a good reason why are you doing this please, I don't know why anyone should claim (except if their name is Kenpachi).

On July 07 2012 09:34 NoSmurfHere wrote:
I don't understand how claiming vanilla town is "shitting up discussion"

I never responded to you because your concerns honestly weren't worth responding to in the first place.

On July 07 2012 09:43 NoSmurfHere wrote:


So do you throw a pointless fit every time Kenpachi claims VT too?

Why are you trying to call me scum for something that is alignment-null?

On July 07 2012 10:59 NoSmurfHere wrote:


so what was the point of saying that I was shitting up discussion? Is that what happened?

I think claiming vanilla is a good way to start a game when there's nothing else to do. Kenpachi rule might be effective, it might not be, but it's completely alignment-irrelevant.

Although to toot my own horn as scum I would never do it because it would mean I couldn't fakeclaim later. As scum I plan ahead and having the opportunity to fakeclaim something is imperative. If I claim vanilla town in my first post that's basically thrown out the window.

On July 07 2012 11:22 Zephirdd wrote:
Bluelightz, can you consolidate your reads on prplhz, Dangeresque77, drwiggl3s and Sinensis? Your posts are really spaced out and it's hard to follow your train of thought.

Do it all in one post.

On July 07 2012 08:48 drwiggl3s wrote:
I don't think dangeresque is being weird. I think slOosh gave good reason after his initial post and "ninja vote". I am suspicious of sinensis. MsZontar's actions don't seem out of the ordinary to me. I'd attack you to if I didn't just get out of a game with you where you were playing just like this (but were town). And yes I also think prplhz behavior is scummy.

Is any of this enough for a lynch? yes. Is any of it good enough for a sure fire mafia lynch? no. So i want others to talk.

On July 07 2012 06:46 drwiggl3s wrote:
Not to take any heat off prplhz - I still think he should post something useful. But I think a better scum read would be slOosh.

Here's my case against him:



His first post isn't actually very suspicious to me. People troll, random vote, etc. all the time. but what follows is what makes me think it was a plan put in place to make him seem pro-town. (rather then an actual desire to lynch me).





His follow up posts show great reasoning, and a desire to poke people who are new and or lurking to get a reaction from them. Sure this looks like a great town post, but isn't it too great? Like he starts a mini flare up in posting where everyone's wondering why I have a vote already despite not having posted. And then after a short time he comes back with a flawless reason, thus allowing him to appear pro-town while giving him the opportunity to sit back and not have to post any more.

To me at least this seems like the most suspicious action in the thread.

On July 07 2012 08:52 drwiggl3s wrote:
Is any of this enough for a lynch? yes. Is any of it good enough for a sure fire mafia lynch? no. So i want others to talk.

I don't want to throw blame around on behalf of weak cases when I'm actually waiting to see more. I was just stating my opinions so far on what's happened D1.

On July 07 2012 08:55 drwiggl3s wrote:
Blue i am saying there's not enough to make a strong case. there's enough to make a weak case, and it's already been made throughout the thread on those players.

On July 08 2012 07:43 VisceraEyes wrote:
Yeah okay.

##Unvote
##Vote Drwiggl3s

On July 08 2012 07:54 VisceraEyes wrote:
slOosh is so dreamy.

On July 09 2012 11:32 Dangeresque77 wrote:
more importantly we have 2 confirmed town atm.
ill save some time and make it three
im police officer
i jailed zephirdd
ill include my reasoning as well
im basically a medic with a slight drawback(maybe not if used on a mafia member). i think zeph is town and thought he was a reasonable target for mafia, so jailing him seemed to be prudent

On July 07 2012 12:42 Sinensis wrote:
Okay, I'm caught up:

sloosh, what are you doing? You vote wiggles with no explanation, people call you out for it, you change your vote to me with no explanation at first, people call you out for it, then your explanation is that I was your first suspicion (even though you randomly voted wiggles first?) because my posting is mechanical? My posting is mechanical and that's why I'm scummy, maybe you could elaborate on that. Even though you seem to have changed your mind again to prplhz before I responded to you. Are you just jumping on the easiest target every time? What's the deal?

Prplhz shouldn't be lynched today. No way in hell. He's gotten too much negative attention from too many people, it seems likely to me mafia is pushing for the easy lynch against an aggressive player. And why wouldn't they? prplhz isn't playing as good or as friendly as he could be. This is the last time I defend him against the rest of the angry mob unless he stops with the "LOL SCUM LOL."

I am going to go with gut for my day one vote. Zephirdd's posting is the scummiest right now in my opinion. He spends a lot of his time telling other, presumably town players, how to play. Something mafia can't seem to resist doing in most of the games I play. He is stating mostly FACTS (people talking like they know something for certain are suspicious because only mafia have FACTS) and very little speculation.

As for everyone who is suspicious of me for lurking, you're right, it's suspicious, my bad. I work during the day (USEAST) and can't post till night usually. Expect my posts then, like I'm doing now. If anyone has any questions for me now is a good time I will be around.

##vote: Zephirdd

On July 08 2012 04:48 Sinensis wrote:
I could probably swing this vote back onto someone else if I switched but I'm happy to be where I'm at. I'm going to leave it on Zephirdd till the end of the day and see if people are still mad about it. I still think he's scum but I'm the only one that would think that right now, so yeah, not budging.

On July 08 2012 13:03 Sinensis wrote:
Wow I thought I was going to be thrown under the bus for sticking to my gut (as per usual), and you guys go and kill someone completely different on nothing but gut and weak meta?

Keep an eye on those that switched votes from me to wiggles in my opinion.

That's sloosh, VE, and dangeresque. I would gamble one of them is mafia.

On July 10 2012 11:55 Zephirdd wrote:


thoughts on VE?

On July 09 2012 09:17 Bluelightz wrote:
Well, in the subject of VE , he speds most of the time pocking people and voting people :O, also his vote switch is suspicious too as he just without reason or giving a SHORT reason he just switched.



No reason thur amiright?

---

VE also has a lot of crappy posts which are just deadweight for the thread, an example is the following:



One the plus side though, his aggressive behavior is a normal behavior for VE such as in Sum Of All Fears Mafia IIRC

On July 10 2012 12:03 Sinensis wrote:


While you're here and knowing all about me maybe you could confirm that I am also frequently stubborn, often to a fault.

On July 10 2012 12:15 Sinensis wrote:


WHO ARE YOU WHAT IS GOING ON

On July 11 2012 09:20 VisceraEyes wrote:


Are you serious?

I'm town, SCUM AREN'T GOING TO RESIST! THAT'S MY POINT!

UGH, fuck this. Lynch me then. I get accused of giving up, so I defend myself. STILL I get accused of giving up, so fuck it. I'm giving up. Enjoy your mislynch and probably your loss.

On July 11 2012 10:52 slOosh wrote:
I'm sick and tired of VE, and I'm sick and tired of a town that is too scared to lynch him. I'm pissed off but I can't just stay silent because it actually seems like he is convincing you guys.

On July 11 2012 11:00 marvellosity wrote:
That was the most intense 15 minutes of mafia I've ever had

On July 08 2012 01:39 slOosh wrote:
Thank you marv.

I'm been trying to figure out how to built a case on tonality / whatever it is I'm using. So I'll just bullet point things to keep in mind when reading thread / filter.

- His hardline defense of prplhz. HARD.

In an atmosphere where most of the vocal townies were expressing a desire to lynch prplhz, he hardline defends him. During this he calls us an "angry mob" and also hedges a backout option. Yet he admits that prplhz really isn't worth defending according to his current game play. There is a contradiction in word and action. He wants to be seen opposing the prplhz lynch yet he deems prplhz worth lynching up to that point.
Sinensis was DEFENDING prplhz because he thought that the lynch was going too easy (like when MrZentor was lynched in Wheel Of Fortune Mafia). Look at that first point, do you see something terrible? I do. Because, that point is fucking useless and doesn't explain why THAT DEFENSE OF prplhz SCUMMY, it doesn't matter if Sinensis is defending prplhz when everyone else is wanting to lynch prplhz, that's like inviting someone onto a bandwagon. Next point, it doesn't matter if he calls us an angry mob lol. Last point(s). he doesn't deem prplhz worth lynching he say's its the last time hes going to defend him while he is still "LOL SCUM LOL", complete misinterpretation.


- His general tone of condescension and misinterpretation

He is acting out really defensively but does so in a condescending anti-town manner. No one was bashing him, no one was critiquing him because his posts were well thought out. He is slinging mud around.
what is the problem with Sinensis's response? he doesn't point out the "anti-town" manner

- He spends his energies on meaningless things to feign activity
Note the Zephirdd exchange: against a player he thinks is scummy he seems to think that changing his mind is a good action to pursue. Note his exchange with me, where he accuses me of ??? I address it here. He is conjuring up suspicions and flailing when pushed to explain them.
It's what Sinensis is suspicious of.....

Doesn't actually use these things for scumhunting. For Zephirdd, he called him scummy before the exchange, and with me, he ignores everything said and done to address prplhz.
Umm...... quotes? How does Sinensis being suspicious of Zeph matter here...?

I think this is a solid D1 lynch.
Truly solid

##Vote Sinensis (for emphasis, my vote was already on him)

On July 08 2012 07:35 slOosh wrote:
I am here and fine with drwiggl3s

On July 08 2012 07:53 slOosh wrote:
##Unvote
##Vote:drwiggl3s

Gotchya.

On July 11 2012 10:36 slOosh wrote:



Think critically. Sit tight and watch a lying scum flip.

On July 08 2012 07:35 slOosh wrote:
I am here and fine with drwiggl3s

On July 12 2012 11:35 Dangeresque77 wrote:
ill probably die tonight anyway, but heres who i think is scum
SlOosh. mrzentor. bluelightz
heres my case on sloosh
sloosh- basically i agree with most of the points brought up by zeph and marv
the only people he has been accusing in the last 2 pages of his filter are zephrid, and prphlz
both of these players are thought of as confirmed town. a scum would of course want to cast suspicion on two members who have a good rep




right here is is screaming at us to switch back to Ve. and then later he claim to self vote so we can get a lynch.
hes trying to shove the suspicion somewhere else(onto a townie) and he is claiming self sacrfice for the town
sacrificing yourself sounds townie but doing it while trying to shove suspicion onto someone else is downright scummy
once he is fighting to lynch a player who is town

i dont like how after he came under suspicion he just exploaded. its ok to defend yourself but 80 percent of page 4 in his filter are things like this

this is not helpful in the slightest to the town and ended up in getting one of us lynched
after he survived he came right out of the gate and tried to get zeph and prphlz lynched

my last note on him is that almost all of his points on "why zeph is scum" dont involve him explaining why its scummy

if you look at his reasons as to why he is scummy none of them would actually make me think he is scummy.( this means he is grasping at straws trying to get zeph lynched)
for expample. when he calls zeph out for switching to mrzentor and "discrediting" marv.
he berates zeph for scum-hunting basically and not wanting to follow a hunch. he is trying to warp zephs wards so that he sounds more scummy

i dont have time becuase i might die in 5 minutes so ill give my quick reasons for the others

i think mr zentor is scum because of all the reasons that were brought up when we were about to kill him. we had a good case on him.
he has been very quite in the past day. i think he is trying not to screw anything up and he thinks that he can get away with being a tad lurkky.

my last member of the scum team was between bluelightz and sinensis.
a few of his posts about slOosh convinced me that he was more likly to be scum

right here he is trying to not get slOosh lynched.


right here though he condones to lynching sloosh but he doest compltely give in
i feel like from a scum stand point right here is where he realized that SlOosh was not going to get lynched becuase we did not have enough people to switch over. so he jumped on the wagon so he did not look like he was defening the man who was trying to get a town player lynched.
and then his last post accusing slOosh i feel is scummy as well.

right now i feel as though he is trying to do the opposite in this post as he was trying to do in his other ones with sloosh.
now he know that slOosh will be lynched and that 80 percent of people have scum reads on him. as scum he would be foolish to be the only person not on that wagon. but he is one of the last to have jumped on it.

if he was town his mind should have been harder to sway. he wouldnt have voted sloosh unles he actually thought he was scum not by just saying "i support a switch i guess"

On July 11 2012 09:16 Bluelightz wrote:
VisceraEyes

I don't like how he just gave up on addressing Marv's point's rather than defending himself, which makes me ask this question: "Is he town? If he is town why is he not defending himself to convince other that he really is town (which I doubt)".

As well with other reason's I have mentioned I will change my vote to VE.

##Unvote
##Vote: VisceraEyes

On July 09 2012 09:17 Bluelightz wrote:
Well, in the subject of VE , he speds most of the time pocking people and voting people :O, also his vote switch is suspicious too as he just without reason or giving a SHORT reason he just switched.



No reason thur amiright?

---

VE also has a lot of crappy posts which are just deadweight for the thread, an example is the following:



One the plus side though, his aggressive behavior is a normal behavior for VE such as in Sum Of All Fears Mafia IIRC

On July 11 2012 10:26 VisceraEyes wrote:
Sentiment was heavily against me coming into today. When the votes started falling, yes, I'll admit to having a moment of despair. BUT - considering the way slOosh has been playing, my read on him has changed to the point where I no longer think he's town pushing me mistakenly, but is scum maliciously taking advantage of town sentiment, I've found renewed fervor in my own defense.

My D1 switch was based on a couple of things. First of all, at the time I was reading slOosh as town, and a town slOosh is someone I can get behind. When I saw his support of the DrWiggles wagon, and after rereading the guy myself, I was totally fine with him as a lurker lynch since no one seemed interested in lynching prplhz or Sinensis (my preferred lynches at the time).

If you're referring to the prplhz switch, that was emotionally motivated. The guy was basically trolling the thread, and then out of nowhere came in with a case on me. When people OMGUS on me, I get pissed...especially when my suspicion on them is completely justified.

I have "a lot of useless posts"? I have a filter of THREE pages man, and I'd wager to say that MAYBE 10% of them are contentless and useless. Most of my posts have contained my opinions on the happenings in the thread and my reads/thoughts on players. And if you think I have a lot of posts in THIS game, you should read some of my other games. :/

On July 12 2012 12:19 slOosh wrote:
Last scum is D77 not MrZentor.
Medic do not claim. Scum used delay.

Lynch me fine - we can still win this if we have a medic / vet.

On July 14 2012 11:08 MrZentor wrote:
-.- Zeph is dead.

On July 14 2012 23:58 MrZentor wrote:
There were tons of cases against Sinensis, and I was directing you toward those to find why he's scummy. Why should I have to make my own case?

On July 16 2012 00:34 GMarshal wrote:
ok, updated.