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I'll try to keep this short - I don't like rastaban's play on day 1. His case on risk was pure filler, and this early post definitely stood out to me. On June 22 2012 16:46 rastaban wrote: Second, the focus of Marv makes me think of karma after seeing him do it to Gonzaw in our last game together. We need to be careful with tunneling though, when you push someone so hard day1, they will often come across as scum no matter what since the only content you have is them trying to defend themselves against accusations.He could be scum but I just want to say that we need to be cautious, as I feel the case against him is a bit biased. Now his day 1 "meta" is to spam 1 liners so I personally wouldn't mind him getting lynched if there isn't a better candidate but I feel like there is too much discussion on him this early in our day. Remember we have 48 hours, half that time hasn't even passed yet so I don't like the band wagoning on Marv so quickly. That said I have a hard time getting anything from his filter right now. Some people analyze best when their quarry is under pressure but for me that introduces too many variables so I like to read posts where they aren't defending themselves. So marv would you mind answering the original question ( as leading as it may be) about what you feel are your tells, and second who do you feel is most likely scum? I don't like this at all. His opinion is extremely safe - he puts himself in a position where he could safely vote for Marv in the future, but he doesn't actually commit to anything. He doesn't really tell us anything, he just says marv COULD be scum. He also says he feels there's been "too much" discussion on the subject of Marv, but then he goes on to ask Marv some more questions, and he doesn't try to raise another subject, which completely contradicts what he just said. What I find more concerning though, is his vote switch to MrZ. Here he says MrZ is null, and wants to give him more time. So he continues to push his #1 scum-read, fair enough. On June 23 2012 03:47 rastaban wrote: I feel like Nuke hasn't just been a null, like MrZentor, by not contributing, but that his actions further scum agendas. There are legitimate reasons a town player may not contribute day 1, but I can't find legitimate town reasons for Risks actions. This is his post between that and his vote-switch. On June 23 2012 23:23 rastaban wrote: I disagree about risk, he defended himself but didn't actually contribute yet. However I doubt I am going to get enough people to vote for him today. The reason I wanted to wait on on mr.Z untill tomorrow was because he stayed in, even after subbing out. now it isn't deffinate by any leas but it increases the likelyhood he got a blue or red role. I didn't mention this earlier because if he wasn't scum then it increased his chance of getting hit tonight. However I think his vote on marv after claiming both were probably town is pretty incriminating. So MrZ has gone from being null to LYNCH HIM, because he changed his mind (changing your mind =/= scum), and the absurd theory that he's scum or a blue because he didn't /out. If he's so sure about his scum-read on risk, he should ABSOLUTELY push it, instead of taking the easy out on MrZ. For reference, I think this is why MrZ changed his mind. + Show Spoiler + On June 23 2012 11:20 Zephirdd wrote: Holy shit. Look at pages 16 and 17. I just solved this game. VE, marv are both scum bussing the F* out of each other. When was the last time this happened? I remember someone saying it was an "OP strategy". Wasn't it Toad/VE doing it? I don't quite remember. Someone said LI, is that it? Either way, if one of them flips scum, I'm sure as hell attacking the other. I thought the initial "attacks" were terrible for both parties, but at this point this all feels fabricated to me. TLDR I don't like Rastaman's day 1 play, I think it's downright scummy. | ||
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On June 25 2012 19:20 marvellosity wrote: wait, so prplhz AND Probulous were roleblocked. hrm de hrm Well, we know there was a jailer, so the other would have been rbed by scum. Or one of them is lying. | ||
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On June 25 2012 21:19 marvellosity wrote: I know you've just replaced in, but this post is one massive regurgitation of what various other people have said in the thread. Safe easy explanations that have already been given. It looks impressive but really there's nothing there. + Show Spoiler + On June 25 2012 18:21 xsksc wrote: Well, first of all - since my predecessor went AWOL and I don't know what his thought process was, I might as well answer this instead. I'll try to keep this short - I don't like rastaban's play on day 1. His case on risk was pure filler, and this early post definitely stood out to me. I don't like this at all. His opinion is extremely safe - he puts himself in a position where he could safely vote for Marv in the future, but he doesn't actually commit to anything. He doesn't really tell us anything, he just says marv COULD be scum. He also says he feels there's been "too much" discussion on the subject of Marv, but then he goes on to ask Marv some more questions, and he doesn't try to raise another subject, which completely contradicts what he just said. What I find more concerning though, is his vote switch to MrZ. Here he says MrZ is null, and wants to give him more time. So he continues to push his #1 scum-read, fair enough. This is his post between that and his vote-switch. So MrZ has gone from being null to LYNCH HIM, because he changed his mind (changing your mind =/= scum), and the absurd theory that he's scum or a blue because he didn't /out. If he's so sure about his scum-read on risk, he should ABSOLUTELY push it, instead of taking the easy out on MrZ. For reference, I think this is why MrZ changed his mind. + Show Spoiler + On June 23 2012 11:20 Zephirdd wrote: Holy shit. Look at pages 16 and 17. I just solved this game. VE, marv are both scum bussing the F* out of each other. When was the last time this happened? I remember someone saying it was an "OP strategy". Wasn't it Toad/VE doing it? I don't quite remember. Someone said LI, is that it? Either way, if one of them flips scum, I'm sure as hell attacking the other. I thought the initial "attacks" were terrible for both parties, but at this point this all feels fabricated to me. TLDR I don't like Rastaman's day 1 play, I think it's downright scummy. It wasn't you but your predecessor was dodgy. Practically the first time he mentions zentor and it's his 'best bet', votes him, no reasoning given. Later on condemns Zentor for voting me without saying why. Hypocritical play. My predecessor promised to filter Rasta and give an opinnion but he didn't do it, so it's the first thing I did after reading the thread. Call it regurtitated nonsense or whatever you want, but I'm going over posts that have already been discussed to death. What sort of new content are you expecting? Would you prefer it if I made shit up/lied? The honourable von Klaust II promised an opinnion, I gave it. Take it or leave it. I obviously disagree with my predecessor regarding your last point but there's nothing I can do about it except play better and prove I'm town. | ||
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In one post he said you were scummy as fuck, and then later he switches his vote to MrZ, maybe I'm blind, but I couldn't find a post saying that he'd changed his opinnion about you. | ||
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On June 25 2012 21:40 marvellosity wrote: Indeed. I've replaced in to games a few times, always as town, and never felt the need to justify my predecessor's play or fulfil promises on what they did. I understand you're not me though. Given you're around. What do you make of me? as slOosh died, what do you think of Probulous? I felt it was something that should be cleared up after slOosh called him out on it before he died. Initial impression after reading you - I think that you're town. On June 22 2012 23:05 marvellosity wrote: I didn't make a conscious decision to go 'lol gonna appear scummy now'. I read Matt's post and made a reply to it without giving it that much thought. The point being I give every post I make as scum due thought. Again, I'm gonna have to disagree with my predecessor here. People, including him, were pointing out that the way that you answered the question, and the argument following it, didn't make sense for a townie. However, it really doesn't make sense for scum either. Any remotely decent scum player is going to put 10x the thought into how they answer questions regarding their alignment and would never have answered that way, it draws wayyyyy too much negative attention, for no gain. I don't think you handled it the best way, but I think people need to realise that a bad play does not equal scum. Probulous - after a quick glance at his filter, I'm not sure, null I guess. I would say his posts "look" town, but I thought the exact same thing at the start of C9++, where he was scum, so that's irellevent. Off-topic. On June 25 2012 13:12 Probulous wrote: This is so annoying >< The only two people who mention the removal of SK as a possibility end up dying at the new deadline. The fact is, unless someone claims a night 1 vig shot, there is a SK. If either of these guys were alive, they would be pretty much guaranteed not to be the SK. Fate, why do you laugh at me  I do not understand this post at all, can someone enlighten me why on earth mentioning "no SK" would mean they would be guarenteed to not be it? Am I missing the point? | ||
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VE - do you still have strong feelings about Marv? Has your opinnion about him changed? Are you planning to push his lynch today? | ||
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On June 26 2012 01:39 VisceraEyes wrote: Since Marvel has claimed scum by thinking I'm scum, everyone should be voting for Marvelosity. He clearly doesn't want to play, so let's oblige the poor chap shall we? Sorry, what? Why is that claiming scum? | ||
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On June 26 2012 01:43 marvellosity wrote: It's not, he's sarcastically dismissing my case without addressing any of its points. Hilarious stuff. xsksc, I'd rather you read and commented my case rather than VE's trite responses to it. I'm reading it right now, I just REALLY didn't like VE's responses. Ok, so I think you have some valid points - particuarly where the lynch is concerned. He said he didn't like it, but he makes no attempt to actually get off. The VE that I remember would MAKE something happen. I didn't like his tunneling of you on day 1, either. | ||
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On June 26 2012 02:10 VisceraEyes wrote: Anyway, I'll respond to marv's case in full when I feel like it. I don't feel like it right now, so you'll excuse my indifference. Indifference? You said it was claiming scum. -_- | ||
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On June 26 2012 02:14 VisceraEyes wrote: I have a penchant for exaggeration xsksc. It's one of my more annoying yet endearing qualities. Well, I don't think it's doing you any favours right now. I've admired your play in the past, so I know you're not bad. I would really prefer to see you make a proper defense and refute any points you think are invalid - if you are innocent, rather than just dismissing it and voting him with an OMGUS. | ||
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On June 26 2012 02:28 VisceraEyes wrote: Xs, I've been suspicious of marv all game, don't even. ....nope, not doing this right now. No one admires my play, my play is a fucking joke. Saying that only makes me suspicious of YOU Xs...but whatever, I'll look into that later. I said I'll respond to Marv's case. I'll do it. When I fucking feel like it. No, really, both times I've played with you as town (c9++ and election), you've been really strong, your day 2 GF shot in election was particuarly sick. I don't think your play is a joke at all. | ||
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On June 26 2012 15:01 VisceraEyes wrote: I'm too lazy to vote-count, but it doesn't look good for marvel. Does anyone have anything to say in defense of marvel? For my part, I have to admit that his poor play this game doesn't make sense to me from any perspective. Maybe Matt's right, maybe he's SK or something...but I just can't bring myself to think that he's town. I've tried. My read on rasta is far stronger than my read on marv, here's my first thoughts on marv after I replaced in - On June 25 2012 22:17 xsksc wrote: Initial impression after reading you - I think that you're town. Again, I'm gonna have to disagree with my predecessor here. People, including him, were pointing out that the way that you answered the question, and the argument following it, didn't make sense for a townie. However, it really doesn't make sense for scum either. Any remotely decent scum player is going to put 10x the thought into how they answer questions regarding their alignment and would never have answered that way, it draws wayyyyy too much negative attention, for no gain. I don't think you handled it the best way, but I think people need to realise that a bad play does not equal scum. I mean, what does he gain from the whole exchange, as a scum player? Some WIFOM, and he avoids a rather simple question that I'm sure he was quite capable of answering. What does he gain from it as town - well, not a lot...he used some of VE's play there in his case, the rest just seemed to shit up the thread and bring him lots of negative attention. I could buy SK, perhaps, as his actions don't make sense from either perspective, but I'm not nearly close enough to a scumread on him to warrant a vote. I'm more confident on my rastaman read + Show Spoiler + On June 25 2012 18:21 xsksc wrote: Well, first of all - since my predecessor went AWOL and I don't know what his thought process was, I might as well answer this instead. I'll try to keep this short - I don't like rastaban's play on day 1. His case on risk was pure filler, and this early post definitely stood out to me. I don't like this at all. His opinion is extremely safe - he puts himself in a position where he could safely vote for Marv in the future, but he doesn't actually commit to anything. He doesn't really tell us anything, he just says marv COULD be scum. He also says he feels there's been "too much" discussion on the subject of Marv, but then he goes on to ask Marv some more questions, and he doesn't try to raise another subject, which completely contradicts what he just said. What I find more concerning though, is his vote switch to MrZ. Here he says MrZ is null, and wants to give him more time. So he continues to push his #1 scum-read, fair enough. This is his post between that and his vote-switch. So MrZ has gone from being null to LYNCH HIM, because he changed his mind (changing your mind =/= scum), and the absurd theory that he's scum or a blue because he didn't /out. If he's so sure about his scum-read on risk, he should ABSOLUTELY push it, instead of taking the easy out on MrZ. For reference, I think this is why MrZ changed his mind. + Show Spoiler + On June 23 2012 11:20 Zephirdd wrote: Holy shit. Look at pages 16 and 17. I just solved this game. VE, marv are both scum bussing the F* out of each other. When was the last time this happened? I remember someone saying it was an "OP strategy". Wasn't it Toad/VE doing it? I don't quite remember. Someone said LI, is that it? Either way, if one of them flips scum, I'm sure as hell attacking the other. I thought the initial "attacks" were terrible for both parties, but at this point this all feels fabricated to me. TLDR I don't like Rastaman's day 1 play, I think it's downright scummy. | ||
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On June 26 2012 15:57 VisceraEyes wrote: I mean, that looks more like claiming VT obliquely than a blue-slip...but I see what you're saying. At any rate, I really don't think rastaban is scum and slOosh was pushing rastaban for lynch. What do you make of that? On June 24 2012 06:51 wherebugsgo wrote: Vote Count - Roughly 10 minutes to go MrZentor (8): prplhz, VisceraEyes, prplhz (0): Probulous (0): marvellosity (0): von Klaust II (0): risk.nuke (0): rastaban (5): Snarfs, Snarfs (0): Well, we know there was at least 2 townies on Rasta - slOosh and Zentor, who are both dead now. I feel like slOosh was making a lot more sense in this game than he did in c9++, I guess that's why he was killed. On June 26 2012 16:00 Probulous wrote: Have you read my marv case? Yes, holy shit dude have you considered a career in writing? I'll reply to this bit due to the massive length of it. TLDR: marvel was caught off guard by Mattchew's question and chose to throw it back to the thread. This in itself could be a town response but when he told us that his scummy behaviour made him town, he hit on a plan to ensure he wasn't lynched. He knew his initial response was inadequate but chose to use his scummy response as a tool to cause confusion and shit up the thread. By never taking the multiples chances he had, to clarify his original position, he ensured that the mess continued for as long as possible. Whenever VE or I pushed him to contribute he could just reply with his meta defense that he cannot be scum because scum would never do this. If we believe that, then we would never lynch anyone. If he had just stated the truth, that he responded rashly and would take the time to provide a proper answer, I would have dropped this case. But his insistence that it takes up as much of Day 1 as possible makes me believe he is mafia. Do you really think it's likely he'd get caught off guard when asked a direct alignment related question right at the start of day one? I mean, I'm not marv, I'm a terrible scum player - but I sure as hell would put a LOT more thought into answering a question about my alignment than I would as town. His responses seem fairly arrogant and careless - hence why I thought he was town. It's a shitload of WIFOM, but maybe I just have a different opinnion about this than you or VE, but I really don't see why he did NOT stop the mess if he was scum - it was just making him look worse, and he could, like you said, just answer the question and you would have dropped the case. The fact that he didn't just baffles me, but I don't think it makes him scum. | ||
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On June 26 2012 21:11 Mattchew wrote: Are you saying you don't know who you would shoot or you are enticing me into guessing who you would shoot rofl | ||
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On June 26 2012 21:46 risk.nuke wrote: Well it's pretty much ironclad that marv isn't mafia. Maybe a SK but honestly his playstyle doesn't fit the SK profile. I think he's innocent and there are to many eggs in the marv basket. If he's the SK he's under our control anyway. As such I suggest we lynch xsksc instead. risk thinks marv is not mafia. xsksc thinks marv is not mafia. As such, let's lynch xsksc. ??? | ||
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On June 26 2012 21:46 risk.nuke wrote: Well it's pretty much ironclad that marv isn't mafia. Maybe a SK but honestly his playstyle doesn't fit the SK profile. I think he's innocent and there are to many eggs in the marv basket. If he's the SK he's under our control anyway. As such I suggest we lynch xsksc instead. On June 26 2012 22:34 risk.nuke wrote: I kind of like Mattchew, he's sadly always this lazy as town but I sense townie over his train-of-thoughts. and ##Vote: xsksc ??? Explain please. | ||
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On June 26 2012 22:44 marvellosity wrote: I'm fairly sure I know what risk's explanation is, but I want to hear it from him. xsksc, can you work out what it might be? that I'm on rastaban and he disagrees with that? I haven't a clue. | ||
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On June 26 2012 22:45 risk.nuke wrote: If i asked you this xsksc. If I don't lynch you, who do you think we should lynch? I'm voting for rasta, is that not obvious? | ||
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On June 26 2012 22:52 risk.nuke wrote: Would you mind quickly listing three minor reasons for why you think he's scum that other people haven't said already said. Oh I see, the "regurgitated" stuff bothers you as well. There's not a lot I can do about that. If you want to see why I think he's scum, read my opinnion of him. My opinnion of his filter is based heavily on day one interactions which were already discussed to death. How do you expect me to form completely brand new fresh opinnions off that? Forming an opinnion WITHOUT using stuff people have already talked about is fucking impossible after replacing in to an active game... Would you prefer if I went and made shit up? Fabricated reads that I don't actually have, so it can be fresh? | ||
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On June 26 2012 23:29 risk.nuke wrote: Nah it's just that when I suspect someone there are always minor things I think and feel that I forget or choose not to share because maybe I don't find the right words. Here's what I think of you. Klaus was weird. Fist he lurks hard and does finally come out with 1 decent post. Then his standard and activity falls presumably from pressure and he bandwagons Zentor. As for you. You're shady and you don't seem to have any desire to find mafia. Your scumhunting accomplishments of this game have been a very weak case on rastaban and agreeing and repeating what others thought of rastaban. Which wouldn't be so bad exept he happens to also be the only person you've voiced suspicion on. And you didn't even start it, you just followed it up after Klaus. besides that all you've done is some pecky coment-responses to VE and Marv to keep them going. That's because he's the only person I have a decent scum-read on. I've voiced my opinnion on marv quite a bit too. About klaus's lurking, I know I have to answer for that as I am essentially HIM - it won't be happening for the rest of the game, that's all I can do it, really. I'm not quite sure what you're acusing me of when you say "pecky comment-responses".. On June 25 2012 22:20 xsksc wrote: EBWOP, meant to add this as well. VE - do you still have strong feelings about Marv? Has your opinnion about him changed? Are you planning to push his lynch today? On June 26 2012 02:24 xsksc wrote: Well, I don't think it's doing you any favours right now. I've admired your play in the past, so I know you're not bad. I would really prefer to see you make a proper defense and refute any points you think are invalid - if you are innocent, rather than just dismissing it and voting him with an OMGUS. Is that a bad thing? I'm trying to get more information so I can actually get a decent read on VE - I don't know if that's what you would call "pecky" but whatever, if I'm unsure about someone, I consider that more information from them is only a good thing. | ||
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On June 27 2012 05:31 prplhz wrote: I didn't ignore you, I read your post alright. No I wouldn't (and I know because I just replaced into iGrok's mafia) but I don't think that means that everybody would react like that. He is using a dumb excuse for creating content and that's townie enough to me right now. von Klaust II wasn't even under any pressure, I think you voted him for lurking and that was it. You'll also see that xsksc isn't actually defending von Klaust II's standpoints, he actually starts out by saying (correctly) that he can't take responsibility for them or explain them. He just answers the questions to create some sort of content and get a kick start into the game and I think that looks pretty townie. This sums up what I was gonna say nicely, thanks. I took a completely different stance on marv than von Klaust did, too, so I'm not sure why people think I'm trying to justify von Klaus's opinnions. On June 27 2012 12:35 Mattchew wrote: ##unvote ##vote xsksc He is bussing his teammate and is lurking and is afraid to post freely in the thread. He has no opinions on others. And prob, I am first and foremost trying to avoid a mislynch, me being dead wont do the town any good Lurking and afraid to post freely? No, it's called being asleep. I have no idea you're so sure that I'm bussing Rasta O_O | ||
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On June 27 2012 14:17 VisceraEyes wrote: So you'll be happy to note that marv didn't die xs...what do you think about the no-lynch and the events leading up to it? Well, I started to get a bit worried that I might have been wrong about marv, when I was reading this bit - On June 27 2012 10:33 marvellosity wrote: i'm literally done. ##vote: marvellosity On June 27 2012 10:34 marvellosity wrote: it's pretty much playing against my wincon and i might get modkilled for it, ya. i can't bear that after everything i've put into this game the last 48 hours, prplhz, the guy who fucking pointed out how retarded the argument on me was, goes "meh, he might be scum after all". Like, wtf, seems completely OTT for a townie who knows he is innocent... but it did succeed in giving people second thoughts, so I guess that's why I got a bad feeling about it. Mattchew seemed like a decent lynch, considering how little time you guys actually had to come up with one - I don't really get why you jumped off at the last minute though. On June 27 2012 13:34 VisceraEyes wrote: And to be honest, he pushed the right button on me losing town the game. I didn't want people to sheep me onto him when I wasn't sure of his guilt myself. Why would it be your fault in particular, weren't you like the 4th or 5th vote onto him? I don't think a no-lynch is as bad as some folk are making it out to be, though. | ||
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On June 27 2012 13:34 VisceraEyes wrote: And to be honest, he pushed the right button on me losing town the game. I didn't want people to sheep me onto him when I wasn't sure of his guilt myself. I already mentioned that I find this weird...I don't see why he felt the entire responsibility was his, and why he was so worried about it. | ||
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On June 27 2012 22:49 rastaban wrote: Allow me to quote a townie from the last game I played in: marv can speak for himself, but I don't consider what he did this game to be "outrageous" | ||
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On June 28 2012 02:08 VisceraEyes wrote: Read xsc's comments when he returned. When he came in, he had an opposing viewpoint regarding you than his predecessor had - yet one of risk's problems with him is that he came into the game and 'immediately tried justifying his predecessor's reads'. And that's it man, that's the extent of his problem with xsc. xsc hasn't even been a major figure in the game, what's his opinion on others? Do you know? Do you care? Why is he a town read? He was off-voting last night, and while he's decrying my actions regarding the lynch, his vote was uselessly parked on xsc. You at least were on Mattchew and I DID remove your part of getting the lynch done. Not risk though, he has NO right to be shitty or saying I'm "full of shit" when he can't be arsed to even SHOW UP for the fucking lynch. Twice in a row. I wonder what the excuse is last night, because unless I'm mistaken, midsummer is over. I can go post by post if you want marvel, but you're smart enough to get the gist of what I'm talking about without it so I'm going to refrain. I'm not even sure where you stop talking about me and start talking about risk o_O I'm exhausted - gonna go sleep, I'll reply in the morning, hopefully I can make more sense of this post then... | ||
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