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On June 20 2012 23:25 marvellosity wrote:
marv/VE/Prob scumteam gogo

On June 21 2012 12:33 johnnywup wrote:
thought of coming back from the dead to /in, but i have to send my computer in for repairs so no-go for me

On June 22 2012 07:16 marvellosity wrote:


you may quiz me and i will answer your questions.

On June 22 2012 07:20 risk.nuke wrote:
VE, I totally am! I can't roll scum so you should trust me.

On June 22 2012 07:28 risk.nuke wrote:
Well Zentor started out very strong but then his activity dropped which is all-in-all a scumtrait.
He spends half of his posts unnecessarily defending himself and the other half is useless 1-worders. I would very much like him to come here and explain himselves. Seeing how he can be one of the largest postcount in this game and have said so little of significance.

On June 22 2012 07:29 marvellosity wrote:


I like this question a lot. I think there are a couple of possible tells. But tell me what you think first.

On June 22 2012 07:38 prplhz wrote:
I always do stuff. If you didn't notice, before I died I pointed out the last two scum. Everybody was just lynching me because of something someone else did which sucked out my motivation but I still read thread and filters.

How exactly is zentor in a game that he /outed?

On June 22 2012 08:25 Probulous wrote:
Guys, guys, guys....

I'm sorry but I am town this game. Snarfs, that's mean and I thought we were friends

@VE, your vote makes little sense what happened to Marv? Actually, where is Marv, he owes me my alimony?

On May 30 2012 06:16 marvellosity wrote:


Much like Magic you are reading my responses as defensive when they were not. I'm just baffled you are asking questions I have already stated clear opinions on or at least alluded to.

On June 22 2012 09:38 slOosh wrote:
It's absolutely imperative that we resolve this miller claim issue. If we aren't all on the same page then scum can use the miller business to screw us over later. It has to be clear. Late-claiming millers will be policy lynched on the basis of it is purely anti-town. Scum can also "look VT and pro-town", so that is just foolish Zephirdd.

On June 22 2012 09:42 marvellosity wrote:


This is the second misrepresentation. Trying to compare a 'defence' in a game where I wasn't accused to my defence this game where I am in fact accused

First misrepresentation:





I clearly said what I was referring to in Magic and yet you try to pretend that you went and looked and didn't find anything. Despite the fact I said exactly what I was referring to.

On June 22 2012 09:52 marvellosity wrote:
Don't be an idiot. Why would I let myself in for this (fairly predictable, even if how long and hard it has continued was not) when I didn't have to? Use your noggin.

On June 22 2012 10:43 marvellosity wrote:
haha me too ^^

On June 23 2012 07:07 marvellosity wrote:
I don't know how to push my VE read because a lot of it is based on the fact that I know my alignment 100% and no-one else does.

Basically he picked up on something that shouldn't have been *that* important, and crusaded/tunneled on it ad infinitum. He hasn't paused to look for the alternative explanation, he's just blindly going down the same alley. I think a townplaying VE would be more actively considering the idea that I was town rather than pushing me like he is.

Gonna get a bit egotistical for a minute - it feels like he's trying to get rid of me at an opportune moment on the back of something that he's exploded out of proportion.

I got tunneled into oblivion by Blazinghand in LI and I get a totally different feeling about it now. There I had a clear townread on BH because of the nature of it. Every time I see VE post I see him try to twist my words a little.

I said this about meapak in bang bang - it's either weak ass townie play or it's scummy play, and I think it's scummy play.

On June 23 2012 07:19 marvellosity wrote:
If you're trying to figure shit out, you're doing a fucking awful job of it.

On June 23 2012 09:12 risk.nuke wrote:
To explain my absence, yesterday was midsummer which is a huge festival and we have some old celebration traditions in Sweden. I intended going to go to sleep now and not make an appearance untill tomorrow morning but since there is already 5+ pages about lurker discussion I thought I might need to dive in tonight and fix this. Be back when I read the thread properly.

On April 05 2012 09:42 MrZentor wrote:
I still don't see why you guys killed me when nobody counter claimed SU doctor.

On June 23 2012 11:20 Zephirdd wrote:
Holy shit.

Look at pages 16 and 17. I just solved this game.

VE, marv are both scum bussing the F* out of each other. When was the last time this happened? I remember someone saying it was an "OP strategy". Wasn't it Toad/VE doing it? I don't quite remember. Someone said LI, is that it?

Either way, if one of them flips scum, I'm sure as hell attacking the other. I thought the initial "attacks" were terrible for both parties, but at this point this all feels fabricated to me.

On June 26 2012 04:59 rastaban wrote:

I don't see how you go from one moment thinking VE is so town that both a jailer and mafia would try and hit him noght one to then thinking he is the leading scum.

I think it is most likely that you are both town arguing with each other like you and gonzaw in bang bang. I thought maybe VE was scum for a bit as well due to the fact that he didn't get a single vote yesterday despite the back and forth but going through his filter I didn't see it. He also tried to lead yesterday's lynch which scum is often hesitant to do.

marv, what are your thoughts on risk? he hasn't changed a thing since I called him out yesterday, and now says we should ignore him because he is lazy....

On June 26 2012 06:02 marvellosity wrote:
Except actually you promised to look into the cases against him later and comment on him, and you did not. That was a flat out lie.

You wanted to appear good by saying you didn't want to lynch Zentor, but there was only one creditable alternative to the lynch and you knew it.

I also look lovely when dressed up like a fairy. But that's nothing to do with anything.

More to follow regarding VE's response to my case. Stay tuned folks!

On June 26 2012 00:33 marvellosity wrote:
:/ I've swung around again. I really think VE is scum, or actually quite possibly SK.

I'm making my town tell on his emotion to a null tell. He proved in LI he can get all 'emotional' as scum. Firstly I just can't get over the way he pushed me.





Ok, so we've established he thinks I'm totes amazing scummer. It makes absolutely no sense to me how he thinks someone as good at scumplay as I am would get myself into this situation. xscsc summarised it quite nicely:



This is the crux of it, and xcksc hasn't even seen my scumplay, but he understands. Yet VE who saw me trash town in LIV and LV as scum does not see it.

This doesn't add up. Clearly sidestepping Matt's question WAS NOT the correct scumplay. Just look at what's happened. There's a mental disconnect going on.



First paragraph is just trite, it says nothing. He's just explaining the wincon for a townie and scummer. I commented before on the 2nd part. Calling me out for finding him scummy, calling himself town. It's manipulative.



When I accused him before, I wasn't calling him scum because I was town. I'd said I had the perspective of 100% knowing I was town that others did not. I simply did not say he was scum because he was accusing me. Twisted my words.

On June 26 2012 00:33 marvellosity wrote:
On the day 1 lynch:

Realising he's not gonna get me through, he turns his attention to Zentor. Subsequently:



This is where it all gets odd. He doesn't want to lynch Zentor, and lists 3 other people. Who doesn't he name? The other leading candidiate, rastaban. He is realistically the only alternative, but nothing. Compare - slOosh was trying really hard to get people to switch from Zentor to rastaban, but VE? nothing. Let's see if VE ever talks about rastaban:



This is it. Nothing else. He never lets us know what he thinks of the alternative lynch candidate, despite promising to, and despite saying he didn't want to lynch Zentor. It's a half-assed, not-real attempt.



Except VE never tries to make ANYTHING happen. He says this and disappears.

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I also feel like his pushing of prplhz is a sham. He came straight from LV where two townies pushed hard for a policy lynch on a player they disliked. He should know this isn't a scumtell. But it looks good to push someone on wanting a policy lynch like that, doesn't it?

Conclusion: All his scumhunting is a sham. He knows and states I'm an excellent scum player, but somehow then thinks I would come into this game as scum and play scummily. He twists my words. He never talks about rastaban despite promising to, despite saying he didn't want to lynch Zentor and rastaban being the main alternative. In fact he never pushes any alternative. Pushes prplhz because it's an easy thing to do.

I think VE is scum (or SK :D)

On June 22 2012 07:16 marvellosity wrote:


you may quiz me and i will answer your questions.

On June 22 2012 07:29 marvellosity wrote:


I like this question a lot. I think there are a couple of possible tells. But tell me what you think first.

On June 22 2012 07:34 marvellosity wrote:


here's a clue

count how many times anyone said i said or even hinted at anything scummy in LV
see the pressure i was under at the start in magic at the start for wanting to shoot NT off the bat
compare to current situation

profit

On June 22 2012 07:29 marvellosity wrote:


I like this question a lot. I think there are a couple of possible tells. But tell me what you think first.

On June 22 2012 07:34 marvellosity wrote:


here's a clue

count how many times anyone said i said or even hinted at anything scummy in LV
see the pressure i was under at the start in magic at the start for wanting to shoot NT off the bat
compare to current situation

profit

On June 22 2012 09:46 marvellosity wrote:


one was a defence, one was not. do you see yet?

i didn't encourage people to leave the thread to read other games. i said i never said anything scummy in LV and I pointed out explicitly the scummy thing I was pressured for in magic.

the whole original question was on meta, and now you're pushing me for defending on meta? really?

On June 26 2012 09:56 prplhz wrote:
VisceraEyes

marvellosity

How do you feel about risk.nuke?

On June 26 2012 10:27 marvellosity wrote:


Now that it's day 2 I can smile at stuff like this. The way you even phrase this basically leads on to suggest I claimed scum by being evasive. If that's genuinely what you think I would have done as scum, then I can only shake my head in disbelief and shrug.

On June 26 2012 10:47 marvellosity wrote:
Then you genuinely do somehow underestimate my scumplay despite touting it so much.

I mean, what does he gain from the whole exchange, as a scum player? Some WIFOM, and he avoids a rather simple question that I'm sure he was quite capable of answering.
What does he gain from it as town - well, not a lot...he used some of VE's play there in his case, the rest just seemed to shit up the thread and bring him lots of negative attention.
I could buy SK, perhaps, as his actions don't make sense from either perspective, but I'm not nearly close enough to a scumread on him to warrant a vote. I'm more confident on my rastaman read

On June 26 2012 16:22 risk.nuke wrote:
VE you think rastabans scumread on me is genuine? Anyway I don't know if I want to lynch rastaban because when scum have attacked me with a bad case in the past they generally back of. And townies are more prone to do the kind of moron tunneling rastaban is doing. (Given though, in the past the ones who were townies kept making tunnelingcases and tried to get me lynched. Rastaban is just calling me his #1 which is lazy and seems more mafia-aligned.

On June 26 2012 16:26 Probulous wrote:
Do we know how many scum we can expect? I thinking 3 with an SK is probably a bit much but I have never been involved in a balancing session.

On June 27 2012 01:04 marvellosity wrote:
I'd shoot VE because town doesn't have the balls to lynch him. Snarfs is lynchable.

On June 26 2012 21:53 prplhz wrote:
I kind of agree with risk.nuke that marvellosity doesn't look scum. I have no idea about the SK thing or what the "SK profile" is. I just think that marvellosity was out of a sticky situation looking kind of alright if he was scum (the day1 tunnelfest) and then he decided to engage in it again out of the blue on day2 when it should be pretty obvious that he would end up looking horrible, makes no sense at all to me. It's really that simple.

On June 27 2012 05:18 risk.nuke wrote:
Nice scumhunting strategy VE. Encourage people to ignore when they are beeing questioned, if you're trying to look town you're doing it wrong.

On June 27 2012 05:01 VisceraEyes wrote:
Because it's 1 for 1 with ME prplhz, and you've seen what I'm capable of doing to a thread.

Walk with me prplhz. Why would marvellosity want to go 1 for 1 with me in the thread, knowing it would destroy it, and knowing town wasn't going to lynch me, when he's a fucking vig and can just shoot me to death?

PRPLHZ COME THE FUCK ON BRO

On June 27 2012 04:40 prplhz wrote:
Okay lets lynch Shraft. I'm not in any way confident enough that marvellosity or even VisceraEyes are scum so I don't want to lynch into them. But you guys are going to fucking stop this tunnelfest or I am not going to give a shit tomorrow. We know that you think each other are town, you are only allowed to make very few and condensed posts on each other from now on. Seriously.

You also need to shoot tonight marvellosity but we can talk about that later.

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I want to lynch Shraft because of how hesitant he has been doing anything this game, how he seems more occupied with getting his vote down than with actually doing something with the lynch, and partially because of some other things.

His first vote on rastaban came after he made a case on rastaban's first post but he hesitates to vote him. Then next he says that rastaban's case on risk.nuke was scummy but he doesn't vote him. Then a few hours later he votes rastaban just because of these two things, cautious first post and risk.nuke case. This wasn't just a few hours later, this was after three other people had placed their vote on rastaban already.

Next is the current marvellosity wagon, we talked about it for ages but he is hesitant with his vote. He only votes after Probulous makes his big case. Earlier he said that the question-answer-thing was a bit scummy but it wasn't worth lynching marvellosity over, but now he is using that very same argument for voting for marvellosity! I also think it's very telling that he is actually saying that marvellosity is scum for saying that his own behavior is town. Why would any townie ever say that his own play is scummy when it is townie by definition? Townies think that everything they do is the towniest shit ever (even when it isn't which is surprisingly often).

The most telling about how he is acting during these lynches is how little he cares about the lynch itself compared to his vote. After he votes rastaban, he does not mention rastaban again in the thread at all! He doesn't push his lynch even though he's been suspicious of him all game long. It looks like he is happy he just got his vote down and now he doesn't really care who gets lynched. The same thing with the marvellosity lynch: more than 10 hours before deadline he actually says "It's probably too late to sway the lynch". That sounds like he thinks that marvellosity is town but 10 hours before the lynch he doesn't really want to do anything about it. Instead he makes a big post on Snarfs concluding that he is null.

He is also keen to point out how tired and drunk he is all the time, like he's trying to apologize for his play. Scum are a lot more prone to apologize for their game because, unlike townies, they're not actually trying their best and they don't see their game as inherently good! And this is in spite of how no one is actually attacking him, which is my next point. Shraft is one of the very few guys who has not been attacked the whole game, he's actually hardly been mentioned. His filter is small, he has a small town presence, and there's plenty of scummy stuff in there. Why didn't scum jump him already? This is of course supplementary because I'm not going to blame him for other people's actions but I think it's well worth noting.

##Vote: Shraft

On June 27 2012 07:44 marvellosity wrote:
And my role has nothing to do with my behaviour. I'm one of the 'play blue like green' brigade. The fact that day 1 I sucked at playing green is another matter entirely.

On June 25 2012 12:12 wherebugsgo wrote:
--SNIP--
Roughly 48 hours until 03:00 GMT (+00:00) to get in votes. With 10 alive it takes 6 to lynch. The following night will either be shortened or lengthened to get the game back onto its normal deadline schedule.

On June 27 2012 08:31 marvellosity wrote:
Yeah, it isn't gonna work. I said ask me anything and all you managed to "ask" me was that if I don't get lynched now then I necessarily have to get lynched later.

If you really think I'm scum you should be taking this opportunity to question me on shit.

Even when I lie cravenly and absolutely about my reads (...) you should be able to get something from it.

On June 27 2012 08:46 marvellosity wrote:
Look at my filter today. I have provided plenty of content, including my thoughts on most players in the game.

The reason I don't bother questioning you on anything right now is because you blow up like that post right there and that isn't going to help me stop town lynching me.

On June 27 2012 09:48 VisceraEyes wrote:
Well it was good of you to pretend to be with me on this Prob.

Who do you think we SHOULD lynch then, in 3 hours?

On June 27 2012 10:15 marvellosity wrote:
The line about non-refundable doesn't appear in my PM.

I actually PMd wbg during day 1 asking if I got my bullet back if I targeted the same target mafia did (ahem, VE) because I thought a cunning ploy would be to target VE and if he was town, scum might have targeted him and I would get my bullet, and if he was scum, I'd kill him.

then i checked the op and realised it was non refundable and sent another pm to wbg before i looked stupid. but bla bla.

On June 27 2012 05:01 VisceraEyes wrote:
Because it's 1 for 1 with ME Probulous, and you've seen what I'm capable of doing to a thread.

Walk with me Probulous. Why would marvellosity want to go 1 for 1 with me in the thread, knowing it would destroy it, and knowing town wasn't going to lynch me, when he's a fucking vig and can just shoot me to death?

Probulous COME THE FUCK ON BRO

On June 27 2012 10:33 marvellosity wrote:
i'm literally done.

##vote: marvellosity

On June 27 2012 10:42 marvellosity wrote:
probulous, vote for me. anyone reading the thread, vote for me

i don't want to play anymore

On June 27 2012 11:00 marvellosity wrote:
VE, I've done a shitload of play today to try to convince town I was town, much of it not related to you. I don't know what else I could do.

On June 25 2012 15:07 Mattchew wrote:


Truth


Can I say "the weekend happened" (work into happy hour into NYC debauchery friday, graduation BBQ party saturday, NY Red Bulls game sunday)?

Also, I fail to see how my thoughts on Rastaban are bad? Those reasons help push a scum agenda while showing a fear of posting in the thread.

Prplhz's post on zeph came at a really suspicious time. He may as well have asked for a no-lynch because if his case had actually gained traction, thats what would of occurred considering the time and players available.

I answered Snarfs question because it was asked of me. The discussion I believe had shifted away from Marv and he was no longer a lynch candidate. I don't believe that posting anything further about Marv would have helped town at that time. I will however be posting more on him in the next 24 hours while we discuss lynch candidates.

I am attempting to post more concisely and be less annoying this game then usual due to complaints in past games. When I wake up tomorrow I want to do a big post explaining my scum reads. You may all hold me accountable for doing so and the reads that I present. For now I am going to sleep after a long weekend.

On June 27 2012 13:34 VisceraEyes wrote:
And to be honest, he pushed the right button on me losing town the game. I didn't want people to sheep me onto him when I wasn't sure of his guilt myself.

On June 28 2012 03:29 xsksc wrote:

I'm not even sure where you stop talking about me and start talking about risk o_O I'm exhausted - gonna go sleep, I'll reply in the morning, hopefully I can make more sense of this post then...

On June 28 2012 06:11 Mattchew wrote:

You could literally do this of anyone.. see

On June 28 2012 06:35 marvellosity wrote:
VE, you've destroyed this town (with my help admittedly)

Now, that doesn't matter so much if your reads are correct. However you were just flat out wrong on me and town is probably going to lose this whole game because you made a bad read on me.

If you're scum, good. If you're town, meh.

On July 03 2012 07:12 Probulous wrote:
Bugs ->

You're a champ mate. I agree that slOosh's point about the size of the game was crucial and it was something I missed in game and post game. I understand now why marvel's play made little sense for scum in this particular game. Sorry Marv, you were saying this but I wasn't getting it. As Bugs says, you are one of those people I know could pull this kind of stunt off which is why it was in my realm of possibility. I like the idea of going back to the source of a fight. I did a bit on day 1 but got caught up in the Marv thing.

In that situation is it better to try and work out the alignments of the people throwing shit, or to just ignore it and look elsewhere for scum? I had real trouble trying to divorce myself from looking at Marv's filter because I felt the game hinged on his alignment and so I had to get a read on him. Maybe I should have just given up and looked harder elsewhere. I always thought Mattchew was suspicious but I never really pushed him until day 2. That was a casualty of my preoccupation with Marv.