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Mattchew you said you pushed Marv all day long on day 1 but from what I read you only asked him the question and the pointed that you thought him suspicious. I even had to prod you for your opinion on him. Will check quotes when I get to a computer. | ||
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On June 28 2012 03:26 Mattchew wrote: I have always pushed Marv as a candidate for lynch. Day 1 did he have any chance of getting lynched? Day 2 when the votes actually mattered, where was my vote? Oh right it was on Marv. I forgot that voting Rastaban forced me to stay with Rastaban the entire day whether he would get lynched or not. I wanted to push Rastaban to get him lynched. I still think he is scum, I still want him lynched. I voiced that I would vote Marv should Rastaban not be getting the votes to get lynched. Once again, the option to type ##unvote DOES IN FACT EXIST The bold is not true. You did not push Marv as a lynch day 1. In fact you have not pushed a lynch at all. Yesterday you posted your cases and then dissapeared. Then come deadline you got all huffy survived the lynch and left. | ||
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On June 28 2012 06:46 marvellosity wrote: VE if you were still sure enough to vote for me to die yesterday, why do you even think that I would be telling the truth that I shot you? o.o You're going to have to explain that to me. VE invited you and I don't think he thinks you're mafia  | ||
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I think VE, Marv, Snarfs and rastaban are town. Mattchew is mafia. | ||
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The one game that I actually didn't enjoy playing turns out to be my first win  Oh well ![[image loading]](http://youcantrusttess.edublogs.org/files/2011/06/smile-dog-2dbdt8v.jpg) ![[image loading]](http://www.capetown.travel/uploads/legacy/Happiest_man_alive_thumb.jpg) ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/7HLWr.jpg) Time to change my profile  Will read up on all the insanity that happened since I died. | ||
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This game for me revolved around figuring out Marvel's alignment. Normally I look at other people and try and get a better overall picture of the thread. But here the marvel thing was so dominant I had to take a position on him. I understand VE's position because marvel's reaction still doesn't make sense to me. The only thing that evers comes from not providing clear responses is a shitstorm. @Marvel, can you explain why, when you saw VE was going to tunnel the shit out of you, you didn't clarify your response to Mattchew? To me that is what sealed your fate (for a while). You knew that the only thing that would come out of being opaque would be more mess and yet that is exactly what you did. I get that people were trying to work out VE's alignment. I don't know, I have never been screwed over by a scum VE so maybe I am biased. But we all know he is liable to pressure until he gets an answer and so it is your responsibility to provide it. You can blame VE all you want but that will not prevent this from happening again. Ultimately Marv, all I wanted from you was a post that said clearly "I didn't know how to answer the question so I pushed it back. I don't want this to contiue to shit up the thread so please drop it. I will take a look at my games and give you some thoughts in a little while." and then post something clear. It was your choice NOT to do this that made me think you were scum. slOosh, you were a casualty of the marv/VE/me thing, for that I apologise. I was so focused on marv that I didn't think about other targets. I am not sure if this is the right response or not? If something like that happens, do you try and figure it out or let it be and focus on other stuff? I don't understand what happened at the end of this game. How scum lost is beyond me and rastaban should have just killed town to earn a win. Why did he no-lynch? I didn't enjoy this game, mainly because I played badly. Bugs as always you invest a huge amount of effort into your games and I really appreciate that. Your constant presence in the Obs QT and your post game stuff is worth signing up for. Thank you very much. | ||
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On July 02 2012 09:30 slOosh wrote: So where do I get confidence? Wow that is a weird question. My lack of confidence could perhaps be attributed to a pendulum effect from when I was a newbie, when I would tunnel people hard and singlehandedly strongarm mislynches. That's why I kind of asked for opinions and when Prob and prplhz gave me nulls (I think I had townish reads on them at the time) on my Snarfs case I guess I just dropped it, perhaps regardless of the marv/VE kerfuffle. I think I'm developing a good track record and that might help, but is there anything else I can do? Well I think you need to be more forthright about getting answers. You obviously had reasons for your case and when we responded with a null thing, it isn't really a response. Maybe make sure people understand your case a bit more. Tunnelling is where you approach everything with a confirmation bias, seeking clarity is not the same thing. | ||
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On July 02 2012 09:19 wherebugsgo wrote: Here's the problem though, and this is because of a failure to understand where the question came from in the first place: the question Mattchew asked marv was loaded, which meant no matter what answer marv provided, half the town would call him scum. I pointed this out in my d1 notes specifically and it worked out exactly as I thought it would. I disagree. If I don't know something, I say it. If people call me scum because of it, then they are stupid. What is the harm in straight up saying "I don't know. I haven't really thought about my meta, let me get back to you." and then saying "Well I had a read and these are some thoughts..." | ||
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On July 02 2012 09:38 marvellosity wrote: I don't really understand this line of thought. It's not alignment indicative either way. You don't think as scum I would want the noise and suspicion at me to go away? What you suggest would have been best play FOR BOTH alignments, and my failure to do so would be a failure FOR BOTH alignments. Do you see? The outcome of not clarifying was people thought you were scum. You didn't get lynched Day 1 and the whole thing continued Day 2. If I were scum in your position, I would be quite happy. Even if you were lynched Day 2 all that would have done is confirm VE and myself (which was obvious anyway) and town would have no-where to go. The people defending you were town so that doesn't help us. Messing up the thread and sacrificing yourself is a decent scum play. A townie move would be to clear the air and quell the storm. Why? Because it makes it easier to scum hunt. It removes you from the centre of attention (you're town after all) and allows us to move on. But by inflaming the situation I had not choice but to try and work out your alignment. If I was scum, I would have continued doing what you were doing until I got lynched. I would ahve got my team to bus the hell of out of me. If I was town I would have been upfront and transparent. If town had gone batshit on that, well that is their problem. | ||
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On July 02 2012 09:48 marvellosity wrote: I don't honestly see how you think people thinking I'm scum would be a good scumplay. But there we go. Well look at your defense. Um scum would never do this because it is so scummy. Should we have lynched you then? | ||
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