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I apologize if I'm being dense Snarfs. No doubt you are being sensible and I'm seeing good stuff from you so I'll be dropping this now.
I see your point on prplhz. It starts off as a policy lynch, a fall back in case we don't find anything.
On June 22 2012 07:41 prplhz wrote:
Okay whatever the fuck. I joined this game because I thought zentor had outed by meh. zentor is the default lynch for today because he's an unpleasant person just to have around. In case we don't find anything better then he should die just because of how destructive he is when he's town. I played with it once and I don't want to play with it again.
##Vote: MrZentor
On June 22 2012 07:52 prplhz wrote:
Okay here's a case I just made up:
prplhz: Lets policy lynch zentor because he's the one I have had the worst experience playing with!
zentor: What, I'm not scum!
Well no one ever said that you were so why are you already denying it?
How about that?
Anyway, I am suggesting a policy lynch on zentor unless we find something better and I don't think that that's a bad idea at all, actually it's a pretty good idea. Who would you policy lynch VisceraEyes? Just someone random? I'm sure we can have one of the lovely hosts pick out a random number for us (so we don't have to deal with all that derp about how you pick an actually random person that we had in iGrok's game).
On June 23 2012 07:51 prplhz wrote:
zentor is a better lynch than any of you because his short filter is full of things that will give you a headache, and because according to his previous games, that's not likely to change on day2. He is doing objectively scummy things such as making up bullshit excuses for not contributing that contradict each other, and stalling while promising that he'll do something later. His latest contribution was my filter in a spoiler. We might as well get rid of him early on unless we have a better lead. Do you really think that either of you is a better lynch than zentor?
Overall MrZentor has indeed made minimal / poor contributions. I see no problem there when prplhz pushes forth his MrZentor lynch on the basis that he isn't really doing anything. What the question is, however, is "is prplhz actively looking for a better read?" or is he just settling for MrZentor, which is reflective of an attitude that doesn't care ~> anti-town. Looking at his filter, I really don't see him pursuing other reads. He always comes back to focus on MrZentor.
Note that last post comes an hour before he builds his case on MrZentor, yet he still uses that reasoning - "unless we have a better lead". I'd expect something like "he is a good lead" - we aren't defaulting to offing the worst player (irrespective of performance this game) right now; MrZentor has not shown much improvement this game at all, yet prplhz is still acting like we are lynching him because he is a bad player in general, not a player playing bad ~> scummy.
Could I get some thoughts on Probulous as well? I don't like how he jumped on the MrZentor wagon.
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MrZentor, no one listens because people don't see your posts as worth listening to. Stop playing the victim and put in the effort to find scum and people will start listening.
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Lynch is in a little more than 4 hours I believe.
vonKlaust: in your own words, why should we lynch MrZentor?
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No ... I'm not liking this at all. Shraft brings up a good point about MrZentor's meta, which adds to my belief that he is townish.
I think the rastaban choice is a better case here. Even though his last posts says he posted his thoughts on MrZentor, there is nothing in his filter that really indicates his thoughts. His posts are padded with fluff. His vote switch seems unnatural.
##Unvote: MrZentor
##Vote: rastaban
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Yea I really think rastaban has a higher chance of flipping mafia than MrZentor.
On June 23 2012 03:08 rastaban wrote:
This game I am trying something different since I don't worry about having a gun, I am going to push my scum reads and try and save my town reads. If I get lynched for that, at least town gets a trail votes to follow that led up to it.
On June 23 2012 23:23 rastaban wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2012 19:34 marvellosity wrote:
Fairly happy with risk's recent contribution.
Had a look through Zentor's filter. His vote on me was the first time he mentioned me at all (other than the general 'how intense' comment), and worse it was in response to Zephirdd's comment about scum bussing. 'One of them has to die' - why? no reasoning.
I first got my anti-town read on Zentor in Bang Bang when he mysteriously lumped Toad into his list of scumreads without having previously mentioned him, because other people had done so. So pretty satisfied with where my vote is right now. I disagree about risk, he defended himself but didn't actually contribute yet. However I doubt I am going to get enough people to vote for him today. The reason I wanted to wait on on mr.Z untill tomorrow was because he stayed in, even after subbing out. now it isn't deffinate by any leas but it increases the likelyhood he got a blue or red role. I didn't mention this earlier because if he wasn't scum then it increased his chance of getting hit tonight. However I think his vote on marv after claiming both were probably town is pretty incriminating.
He isn't doing what he said he would do - hold him accountable. He pushes risk saying that he is scummy, yet waits for risk to defend himself. When he does, all he doesn't comment on whether the defense is valid or not, but dismisses the whole thing and says risk still hasn't contributed. How is that pushing scum reads? He clearly still has one, but isn't pushing it. He is merely going with the flow and sentiment of town.
Compare his play here to his play in Bang Bang, in which he is confident in what he says and isn't afraid to put out his thoughts. In this game there is more fluff and more references to games that don't really prove anything. Moreso, suspicions of him have been ignored several times, which indicates resistance.
Vote rastaban.
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I think rastaban has a higher chance to flip scum. Therefore I will vote him and try convincing everyone else to do it too. MrZentor is playing like junk, but I still think rastaban is scummier.
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Prplhz I need your current thoughts on rastaban and MrZentor. The case you made against Zephirdd could have been made very early on in the game and it clashes with your "let's lynch MrZentor if we have nothing else" because you say this phrase after the quoted Zephirdd's post.
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rastaban, this is probably the post that makes you think the Zentor switching his mind is scummy (correct me if I'm wrong). Notice the timestamps. There is a whole day - a little more than 24 hours between his two posts, pages 11~19, in which a lot of VE Marv interaction happened. Do you still think what he did was scummy? (p.s. to everyone else this is what I was alluding to when I asked people for opinions on Probulous - I think it's bogus reasoning to hop on a bandwagon).
On June 23 2012 22:28 Probulous wrote:Hi guys, I am back for a little while before I hit the hay. I won't be up before the deadline as it is 7am on a Sunday morning so this is my last post until the deadline. Show nested quote +On June 22 2012 11:03 MrZentor wrote:
I really don't think either one of VE/Marv is scum. Show nested quote +On June 23 2012 11:20 Zephirdd wrote:
Holy shit. Look at pages 16 and 17. I just solved this game. VE, marv are both scum bussing the F* out of each other. When was the last time this happened? I remember someone saying it was an "OP strategy". Wasn't it Toad/VE doing it? I don't quite remember. Someone said LI, is that it? Either way, if one of them flips scum, I'm sure as hell attacking the other. I thought the initial "attacks" were terrible for both parties, but at this point this all feels fabricated to me. Show nested quote +On June 23 2012 12:09 MrZentor wrote:I don't know Zephirdd....it got pretty intense, but I do agree that we should kill one of them.  ##Vote: marvellosity ##Vote MrZentorHe doesn't mention the other person who has two votes already (Rastaban) and just plonks down his vote on his earlier town read with no explanation. This makes no sense from a townie POV. If he wanted to waste his vote he would put it on someone who has 0 chance of getting lynched but instead he puts it on the highest vote getter who isn't himself. He wants marvel lynched but provides no reasoning. Worse he doesn't want Rastaban lynched but provides no reasoning for that either. Why did he vote for his town read over all the other possible candidates? Maybe it was a joke vote. Well as of now he hasn't moved it and given his lack of reasoning for anything I cannot assume he is joking. Zentor is playing the fool and hoping to slide by with minimum effort. He can play better than this and is putting in no effort. I am more confident of a Zentor mafia flip than a Rastaban flip and hence my vote. I also think there is a possibility they are both scum. Goodnight and Goodluck
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On June 24 2012 02:40 vonKlaust II wrote:
Right now though, my best bet would be Mr.Z I think.
I don't really know about Rasta yet, but I'll check his filter out for myself and get back with my thoughts.
But for now:
##Unvote
##Vote: MrZentor
Holding you accountable.
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Understood. Bringing up Zephirdd out of no-where seemed really strange but your reasoning makes it clear. I agree with you that the current pool of candidates doesn't really inspire confidence either which way.
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What the heck deadline in like 15 minutes??
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Switch to rastaban. If you are on the fence with either, just look at the voter lists.
Zentor has Mattchew, vonKlaust II, Zephirdd on him.
Right now its 8-5 Zentor / rasta. With one switch it will be 7-6 and one more makes it 6-7. No risk of no-lynch.
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If I had it my way I'd have both dead. But yea I see your point. I just don't feel like he will flip anti-town though.
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Well since D1 is over, do you want to talk about Probulous now? Starting with his vote on Zentor? I don't think he would make such a base mistake as forgetting timestamps and the 1 day / ~8 pages of discussion in between the posts.
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Weak. I hope you learn to shape up Zentor. Thoughts on Probulous?
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Oh, and von Klaust II: would you shoot him or not? Both questions are open-ended.
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EBWOP: open to everyone for discussion.
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Finally, something interesting. This also probably means no SK.
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EPT
