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On June 26 2012 21:51 prplhz wrote:
Hey Mattchew why am I scum again?
I was wrong about thoughts on you as i just said... Would you like to rub it in further?
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On June 27 2012 01:33 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On June 27 2012 01:30 Snarfs wrote:On June 27 2012 00:17 marvellosity wrote:
His argument is thusly:
He's played this was as town before, so he can't be town!
He's not played this way as scum, so I'm going to ignore that fact and say he must be scum!
Logic fail. Actually, my argument is thusly: Premiss 1: He was recently mislynched as town Premiss 2: If he's town he'd be more worried about being mislynched because of (1) Premiss 3: He is not acting like he's worried about being mislynched Conclusion: Not town. Premiss 1 is verifiable Premiss 2 is hard to dismiss on the basis that your mislynch contributed to us losing the game and I don't think that you like losing games. Premiss 3 is reflected in your "I'm actually playing a scummy town game" defense.
@risk.nuke: You say VE is the towniest town that ever towned. Marv says he's going to kill VE if you let him live. You say that marv should be left alive. What? Now that's a logic fail. This game is fun. Premise 1: I never play scummily as scum Premise 2: I therefore never get lynched as scum Premise 3: Therefore I would not put myself in this position Premise 1 is verifiable Premise 2 is verifiable Premise 3 is reflected in this game. BUT, you dismiss the scumplaying marv argument, and only stick to the townplaying marv argument. Scum.
Bow down to the great one.
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On June 27 2012 01:37 marvellosity wrote:
Remember in Magic, Matt, when you ended up sheeping me on Zealos despite not believing your read? How I worked out Hiro was red and I called Katina scum?
When I flip, sheep me.
How is the air up there?
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On June 27 2012 02:24 marvellosity wrote:
One of the problems I'm having is guaging people, because I'm not used to being lynched.
With Matt. I know he has healthy respect for my scum play. I also know he has healthy respect for my town play because he was happy to sheep me on my judgement in Magic.
Here he is sarcastic and dismissive towards me. I can't tell if this is because he's scum or because he really thinks I'm scum. I don't know how to differentiate with him.
I actually think you are most likely SK > Scum > Town
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On June 27 2012 04:54 rastaban wrote:I am getting a very very scummy vibe from Mattchew. I just went back through his filter and a couple things stood out. The zentor lynch for one. He was the only person who thought Zentor had claimed blue. Show nested quote +On June 23 2012 10:16 Mattchew wrote:
I am going against my policy of always lynching mrzentor cause I don't think it's smart to lynch a claimed blue in a mini on day 1 especially with no counterclaim... Are we thinking that he got lucky with his guess or someone is holding their tongue? Do you think someone counterclaiming would be worth it to likely Out 1 scum?
Ve Marv and prob i would like your thoughts on rasta.. He is also very quick to believe it. when he realized he made a mistake he quickly switches Show nested quote +On June 23 2012 10:23 Mattchew wrote:On June 22 2012 12:01 MrZentor wrote:I don't think Prphlz as mafia would suggest something as idiotic as lynching me. + Show Spoiler + Is this not for this game.. Cause If not fuck me let's lynch mrz Now think about this, for a town player they could make the same mistake, but they would be trying to root out if it was a valid claim or not. Instead he takes it at face value and thinks it is enough on its own not to lynch someone. Nothing changes from when he realizes Z is blue to actually green and yet that sole reason makes him switch his vote. Like I said, town could make the same mistake, but I don't think it would be handled the same way.
What? I never said I believed him I just didn't want to lynch a claimed blue day 1... I voted and wanted to lynch MrZentor because of policy that belongs to games of the past, not because I had a scum read on him this game. You can see me voice my thoughts on this here (click me) and when I said that I would never sign up for another game with him in it
On June 27 2012 04:54 rastaban wrote:Similarly we see today he posts this case: Show nested quote +On June 26 2012 12:05 Mattchew wrote:So I have three suspects in my list for scum/sk players. Those three (in order of how I would like them lynched/killed) are Rastaban, Prplhz and marvellosity
My First Suspect is Rastaban.+ Show Spoiler +On June 23 2012 04:10 Mattchew wrote:Show nested quote +On June 22 2012 16:46 rastaban wrote:
Second, the focus of Marv makes me think of karma after seeing him do it to Gonzaw in our last game together. We need to be careful with tunneling though, when you push someone so hard day1, they will often come across as scum no matter what since the only content you have is them trying to defend themselves against accusations. He could be scum but I just want to say that we need to be cautious, as I feel the case against him is a bit biased. Now his day 1 "meta" is to spam 1 liners so I personally wouldn't mind him getting lynched if there isn't a better candidate but I feel like there is too much discussion on him this early in our day. Remember we have 48 hours, half that time hasn't even passed yet so I don't like the band wagoning on Marv so quickly.
That said I have a hard time getting anything from his filter right now. Some people analyze best when their quarry is under pressure but for me that introduces too many variables so I like to read posts where they aren't defending themselves. So marv would you mind answering the original question ( as leading as it may be) about what you feel are your tells, and second who do you feel is most likely scum? (big post by post case on Risk.Nuke that I am not quoting) Show nested quote +On June 23 2012 03:47 rastaban wrote:
When I review MrZentor I see someone who hasn't contributed much, which, while scummy, isn't enough to lynch yet in my opinion.,Especially when he commits to delivering something tomorrow. I have seen players like Foolishness say the same thing so I am inclined to give him till tomorrow before I make my Judgment on him.
This all feels extremely middle of the road, I am ready to jump on a bandwagon but don't want to commit to anything scum play. He also contradicts himself about the talks about Marv, then contradicts his we have 48 hours post, by posting a case that he is pretty deadset on, about risk.nuke. Overall I just feel like Rastaban's posting has been flaky and his case on Risk is bad. To answer his question to the thread, I read his vote switch that he was not confident in a Marv lynch, and that he wanted to pressure a lurker with no content. Also, his first 30ish hour case doesn't take into account that Risk.nuke has played many many games before ##Vote: rastaban On June 26 2012 03:43 rastaban wrote:
@Snarfs
But notice how even after he says to remove both of them he follows up with "marv seems a bit scummy. Partly because how his inabillity to see how Vicera is town." which leaves it open for a future vote and still throws suspicion on marv.
As for removing VE from the lynch pool, marvs recent vote on VE was the first this whole game. Despite the back and forth it was only ever 1 way, VE was not in any danger of being lyched at any point so all he really states is: don't vote marv yet, but he is a bit scummy.
Also a lot of people had come out in defense of marv by that point saying we need to hold off on lynching him. If this had been the one to help get the votes off marv I would be more inclined to think it town aligned but as it is, it just seems regurgitated to me.
He thinks marv is scummy but did not want to vote for him day 1? That's perfectly reasonable play. On June 26 2012 10:21 rastaban wrote:On June 26 2012 10:16 marvellosity wrote:On June 26 2012 10:12 VisceraEyes wrote:
He wants to know why in an effort to establish your townieness via the method you chose, you answered rashly without thinking when the point of the exercise was to honestly answer the question so you can be judged either scum or town right then. There's not a lot else I can say on the matter by this stage. If that's really enough to lynch me then whatever. I hate that there are so many players who basically haven't contributed this cycle. Where is Matt and his promised reads? Where are Shraft and Snarfs? Why is rastaban always so irrelevant? Why does risk who always has an opinion not have an opinion? Hey I am not sure what you want from me, since day one I have had a town read on both you and VE. I think Risk is scum (you admit hasn't contributed). I agree a lot of people are very absent and need to get posting so we can see what side they are on. I find this tone (throughout the game) when in conversation with Marv to be strange. He has not ever given a reason for thinking Marv or VE is town, yet constantly lumps them together as townies arguing. All in all, I find the tone of Rastaban's posts to be hesitant and a little off. I find that his lumping of townreads on players suspicious, and he has never really responded to a single case brought up. Instead he has just safely tunneled his forced case on Risk. I want scum Rastaban dead. He barely even defends himself even though he was extremely close to being lynched which shows me he's more scum than bad town (for you prob... <3) ##vote Rastaban
Next up we have PrplhzI have already posted my thoughts on his timing of his Zeph case. While I was wrong about MrZ being his scum teammate, that hasn't dropped my suspicions. He posted a case, when it had no chance of actually impacting anything. I can't see a reason a townie would do this. It is obviously not going to get the attention he should want it to receive and all it provides him with is the ability to later on say I've been making cases all game. He hasn't posted about Zeph since that day ended. I think enough time has been given to say WTF? and then he goes and posts this... On June 26 2012 09:56 prplhz wrote:
VisceraEyes
marvellosity
How do you feel about risk.nuke? Like is Risk now your #1 target too now? Where did his suspicions of Zeph go? Why isn't he trying to push his case on him that he wanted to lynch me for calling him out on the weird timing? Why can't I equate almost anything he has done with a Town Agenda?
Finally we have Marv.I actually should maybe color Marv black, because I think his play just feels very off. I think I lean him being the SK more than I do him being scum. Either way he eventually needs a noose. His filter is long and fluffy. A ton of arguing with VE but even more deflecting of actual answers... instead he resorts to inane arguments full of WIFOM and fallacys, like in all these filter enhancing posts. Can someone pick me out anything pro-town from these? + Show Spoiler +On June 22 2012 07:29 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On June 22 2012 07:22 Mattchew wrote:Hi All, I want MrZentor dead. On June 22 2012 07:16 marvellosity wrote:On June 22 2012 07:14 VisceraEyes wrote:
Let's try and figure out a way to figure out if we're town right here and right now...
:/
Because it's going to help me a lot if I can trust you. I now know you're a fucking beast as scum. What do you suggest? you may quiz me and i will answer your questions. Marv, if you were to pick out the differences in your scum play and your town play, what would you point to? I like this question a lot. I think there are a couple of possible tells. But tell me what you think first. On June 22 2012 07:30 marvellosity wrote:
incorrect answer On June 22 2012 07:32 marvellosity wrote:
lol, ok dear. If people could look for themselves, then maybe just one person in the whole of LV and the obsQT might have had a tingling suspicion, no?
No. On June 22 2012 07:34 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On June 22 2012 07:31 VisceraEyes wrote:
The point of the self-evaluation was to see if you left anything out - obviously we can go and look for ourselves Marv, and we'll have our own opinion...but for you to turn the question around and ask for his answer first is incredibly scummy and immediately forces me to not trust you. here's a clue count how many times anyone said i said or even hinted at anything scummy in LV see the pressure i was under at the start in magic at the start for wanting to shoot NT off the bat compare to current situation profit On June 22 2012 08:52 marvellosity wrote:
lol, ok. On June 22 2012 09:39 marvellosity wrote:
VE, you're so tedious sometimes. On June 22 2012 09:50 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On June 22 2012 09:47 VisceraEyes wrote:On June 22 2012 09:42 marvellosity wrote:On June 22 2012 09:20 VisceraEyes wrote::OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO Anyways look what I found guys! On May 30 2012 06:16 marvellosity wrote:On May 30 2012 06:16 VisceraEyes wrote:
Marvel, the correct response is "my thoughts are X and Y and Z"...my question of you wasn't an accusation, so there's no need to get defensive. Saying things like "I already said" and "I made a comment" are very defensive when all I wanted was your input.
:/ Much like Magic you are reading my responses as defensive when they were not. I'm just baffled you are asking questions I have already stated clear opinions on or at least alluded to. This was his defense in LV, the Zim themed large we were just in. Marv DOMINATED that game as scum, and look at what his first act of the game was (upon replacing in)! It was using his "meta" as a personalized defense against my accusations. Look at his defense this game! Oddly enough, it's a personalized "meta" defense again! Marv, your response? This is the second misrepresentation. Trying to compare a 'defence' in a game where I wasn't accused to my defence this game where I am in fact accused First misrepresentation: On June 22 2012 07:34 marvellosity wrote:
here's a clue
count how many times anyone said i said or even hinted at anything scummy in LV
see the pressure i was under at the start in magic at the start for wanting to shoot NT off the bat
compare to current situation
profit On June 22 2012 08:57 VisceraEyes wrote:
Probulous, what did you see when you went back and read Magic? When I went back, all I saw was a completely different opening strategy. I mean, he could just be doing a fast-expand or something, but it's looking kinda cheesy to me. :/ I clearly said what I was referring to in Magic and yet you try to pretend that you went and looked and didn't find anything. Despite the fact I said exactly what I was referring to. I "pretend" that I went and didn't find anything? I went and looked and I said EXACTLY what I found. I don't care about you wanting to shoot NT, nothing similar has happened this game to compare it to. When I went back, I found what I was looking for - you acting like a townie. You haven't done that this game. When I went and looked at your scum game, I found something there too - you defending yourself needlessly with meta . You HAVE done that this game. These aren't misrepresentations, they're observations I'm making. If you don't like it, STOP TELLING PEOPLE TO GO READ YOUR PREVIOUS GAMES. I've quite clearly stated I am not, stop it. The similar thing, VE, is that I wasn't afraid of saying something that was scummy in that game. In this game, unless you underestimate me which I think you do not, you should be aware that I know making a sidestep to Mattchew's question could be viewed scummily, and I'd avoid it like the fucking plague if I were scum. On June 22 2012 09:52 marvellosity wrote:
Don't be an idiot. Why would I let myself in for this (fairly predictable, even if how long and hard it has continued was not) when I didn't have to? Use your noggin. On June 22 2012 09:56 marvellosity wrote:
a) because i'm unafraid
b) because i get information from who and how i'm pushed On June 22 2012 10:19 marvellosity wrote:
wrong way of looking at it Prob
if I were scum I'd have thought more before answering matt's question. even if this conversation has been quite interesting On June 22 2012 10:13 marvellosity wrote:
it means you're a very special boy <3 On June 22 2012 10:20 marvellosity wrote:
who knew being the centre of attention was so tiring?! gosh On June 22 2012 10:39 marvellosity wrote:
we could dance? On June 22 2012 10:43 marvellosity wrote:
haha me too ^^ On June 22 2012 18:31 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On June 22 2012 16:46 rastaban wrote:
Now his day 1 "meta" is to spam 1 liners so I personally wouldn't mind him getting lynched if there isn't a better candidate What an exceptionally stupid thing to say, well done. On June 22 2012 23:05 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On June 22 2012 23:03 vonKlaust II wrote:On June 22 2012 09:50 marvellosity wrote:
I've quite clearly stated I am not, stop it. The similar thing, VE, is that I wasn't afraid of saying something that was scummy in that game. In this game, unless you underestimate me which I think you do not, you should be aware that I know making a sidestep to Mattchew's question could be viewed scummily, and I'd avoid it like the fucking plague if I were scum.
1. You agree with the statement that sidestepping Mattchews question could be viewed as scummy. 2. You would avoid doing that as scum i.e. it would point to you being scum. You agree both that it would seem scummy and that it actually is scummy. Still you did it. It doesn't make point from any perspecive and makes me think you're just trying to fill holes you made with bad play. I didn't make a conscious decision to go 'lol gonna appear scummy now'. I read Matt's post and made a reply to it without giving it that much thought. The point being I give every post I make as scum due thought. On June 23 2012 07:15 marvellosity wrote:
'fabricated some fantasy'
your posts are just littered with insidious phrases like this. On June 23 2012 07:19 marvellosity wrote:
If you're trying to figure shit out, you're doing a fucking awful job of it. On June 24 2012 03:29 marvellosity wrote:
No, I'm just arrogant and sarcastic.
But it's not the case. stopping cause the point is made and this is getting tedious. This alongside his flip-flopping on VE, which I think is less likely then the usual confident (he called himself arrogant) town Marv. Instead of actually picking one person he decides to do three cherry picking small specific things rather than focusing in on one person and trying to get them lynched. We end up getting our second mistake from him where his case against prp is based on not even reading the day post. How can he be taken seriously as hunting scum when he isn't even following thread. I think it shows that his goal wasn't to find scum but to look like he was.
I like how you cherrypick my case on you and 2 reading mistakes that lead to false conclusions which once I realized I was wrong I changed and admitted to being wrong. The hypocrisy is fantastic. Also, I believe that the things I pointed out are true scum-tells. I don't need a 3 page post-by-post case to prove these when I can just be more concise with my content.
On June 27 2012 04:54 rastaban wrote:
We also have him pushing for marv, but look at how long it takes for him to actually switch to marv despite having him on his top 2 scum list. It takes 2 different people mentioning it for him to setup an obvious situation (who you shooting marv) to finally make a reason to justify his voting for marv.
I am not confident in killing Marv, I can understand what he means about being more careful when playing as mafia. In the past when I have played as mafia I reread everything looking for things that make me seem suspicious and remove them. Everything I say seems artificially sanitized, but as town I am more concerned about finding scum regardless of peoples opinions on how I do it. I say we let him live tonight and see what mafia does knowing who our Vig is. If he lives for a while we can come back to the issue and kill him but now mafia needs to make a choice. Also mafia may not even have a roleblocker but town does, or we might have a detective who can investigate him for us etc..
I think Mattchew is Mafia and a better lynch than marv today..
##unvote risk.nuke
##vote mattchew
This is a really really funny contradiction. You believe in Marv saying that scum are more careful yet you want to lynch me for making mistakes in the thread.
Also, to answer your other awful point about the length of time it took me to switch my vote, I was waiting to see if a lynch on you would gain traction. It was early enough in the day where if enough people saw what I saw in you that you could still be lynched. I still believe you to be a better lynch than Marv but since very few people agree with me, it seems I will have to vote my second strongest read so that my vote will actually count.
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Wow, am i really about to be lynched without a case being made against me... I haven't even seen anything I have written quoted in the last 5 pages (where almost all my votes came in). You guys are letting scum get a lynch without even providing a fucking reason? This has to be a joke
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i literally just got home from Abe Lincoln Vampire Hunter (7:50pm showing in Morristown NJ I have the ticket if you would like to see)...
Get a life?
I don't even see a case except for one that I responded to by Rastaban. Noone even quoted my response. This is literally fucking retarded
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On June 27 2012 11:44 Probulous wrote:My thoughts on Mattchew Show nested quote +On June 22 2012 14:17 Mattchew wrote:
Maybe I am being blinded by something, but I do not see how you can get a read off of Prplhz's posts so far. I can't judge him on the MrZ policy cause I completely agree with it, and I don't see anything in his posts that has an agenda. That being said, his posting is not helping town either, so that needs to shape up immediately Terribly flaky post. This is not flaky, its fact. Do you have a solid read on Prp based off the posts he made up until that point. Taking this early game quote out of context is super easy and super deceiving. Show nested quote +On June 23 2012 04:10 Mattchew wrote:
This all feels extremely middle of the road, I am ready to jump on a bandwagon but don't want to commit to anything scum play. He also contradicts himself about the talks about Marv, then contradicts his we have 48 hours post, by posting a case that he is pretty deadset on, about risk.nuke. Overall I just feel like Rastaban's posting has been flaky and his case on Risk is bad. To answer his question to the thread, I read his vote switch that he was not confident in a Marv lynch, and that he wanted to pressure a lurker with no content. Also, his first 30ish hour case doesn't take into account that Risk.nuke has played many many games before Which is ironic since that was his whole reason for voting for rastaban. Being wishy-washy is really a null tell for crazy newbs. I don't understand what not including risk's meta has to do with anything. I think Risk is town because of his Meta and I think almost anyone in a game with risk before should also be able to read this. Rasta ignores this. Also, my reasons are far from wishy-washy as I say the other people I would be willing to vote for. Show nested quote +On June 25 2012 15:07 Mattchew wrote:
Prplhz's post on zeph came at a really suspicious time. He may as well have asked for a no-lynch because if his case had actually gained traction, thats what would of occurred considering the time and players available. This is terrible terrible reasoning. Why prpl would push for a Zentor lynch all day long and then offer alternates is completely reasonable. We want people to offer their thoughts on more than one person but Mattchew finds that scummy. Once again, the timing of the post is being clearly taken out of context. If prp wanted Zentor to be lynched still, why post a case right before his lynch. He is in no risk of being killed after the lynch and has 24 hours of night to post his thoughts on anyone and everyone. Show nested quote +I answered Snarfs question because it was asked of me. The discussion I believe had shifted away from Marv and he was no longer a lynch candidate. I don't believe that posting anything further about Marv would have helped town at that time. I will however be posting more on him in the next 24 hours while we discuss lynch candidates. Given he started the mess this is the biggest cop out ever. Biggest Cop Out? I have commented plenty on Marv since this post. The timing of everything is what you are confusingShow nested quote +On June 26 2012 12:05 Mattchew wrote:
I find this tone (throughout the game) when in conversation with Marv to be strange. He has not ever given a reason for thinking Marv or VE is town, yet constantly lumps them together as townies arguing. All in all, I find the tone of Rastaban's posts to be hesitant and a little off. I find that his lumping of townreads on players suspicious, and he has never really responded to a single case brought up. Instead he has just safely tunneled his forced case on Risk. I want scum Rastaban dead. He barely even defends himself even though he was extremely close to being lynched which shows me he's more scum than bad town (for you prob... <3) This is a really careful case given Mattchew has been pushing rastaban all game. There is nothing new since his first case and it is weak as hell. The language is also really soft. Using pharses like "I find", "never really", "a little off" but suddenly he wants him dead? beware self meta ahead... You clearly haven't compared my town cases vs. scum cases in the pastNever mind how this play with his other reads it is an excuse for a case. Instead of saying why my cases are bad, or why the reasoning behind them suck you vaguely say they are bad. This is bad play
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when I flip town will you please please please lynch Rastaban.
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On June 27 2012 12:00 VisceraEyes wrote:
We'll probably lynch prplhz next, is that okay? :/
Honestly I'd rather lynch him now - we have an hour, can we make it happen?
X(
Why
On June 27 2012 12:00 Probulous wrote:
thoughts on xsksx Matt?
I will read his filter now
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Upon extremely quickly reading xsksxI he is acting similar to me when I roll scum. He looks to be bussing his teammate rastaban, and he post his vote in hopes that noone else votes with him but then leaves it there to avoid participating in the thread, but if Rastaban were to be lynched he'd be the first to get cred for it.
Otherwise he's been useless
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On June 27 2012 12:14 rastaban wrote:Show nested quote +On June 27 2012 12:00 VisceraEyes wrote:
We'll probably lynch prplhz next, is that okay? :/
Honestly I'd rather lynch him now - we have an hour, can we make it happen?
X( I think marv has gone to bed so not sure it is possible and I prefer a Matt lynch. I need to do some more reading of prplhz to come to a conclusion as I think his last post could make sense when it is very late and you hate no lynches. I would the same thing unless I was positive the guy was scum. Also it is hard to stand your ground with so many other people certain someone is scum. He might be scum but I would need more time to read his posts, I think it is a great topic for tonight or once day starts. .
lol
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On June 27 2012 12:18 Probulous wrote:
Yeah that's a really bad post rastaban
are you going to force me to post suddenly clarity memes
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Anyone notice the amount of no-reason votes on me and then disappear acts pulled for this lynch. Its bullshit
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##unvote
##vote xsksc
He is bussing his teammate and is lurking and is afraid to post freely in the thread. He has no opinions on others.
And prob, I am first and foremost trying to avoid a mislynch, me being dead wont do the town any good
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Mafia would love nothing more than killing a townie for free
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Your reasoning is unbelievable
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VE you ready to lose another game for town mr. Awesome?
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You can read his filter and see a scared scum trying to blend in
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