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Why are you trying so hard to create a conflict?
You're assuming things unnecessarily and that's why you misinterpret things. I just meant I am wary or cautious or trying to be careful when considering town reads. I'm not necessarily suspicious of people who do it, it's just a cause to be misled.
Taking something that is not alignment indicative and using it as evidence to show someone's alignment is something both sides do. They just do it differently. My post had nothing to do with that and you're seemingly just trying to find fault in my posts because you're pissed off for whatever reason.
If you don't like my posts, go ahead and ignore me.
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Sorry guys, long day at work. Will update shortly as i catch up.
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On July 04 2012 08:43 NoSmurfHere wrote:
Mattchew, what is it about Shiaopi you find townie?
okk fine.
On June 30 2012 22:56 ShiaoPi wrote:
EBWOP:
Forgot Bill Muray,
he looks like aggressive playing townie to me, at least for now.
He has played in 4 newbie games, of which I am sure an aggressive newb got mislynched cause he came across as mean or scummy. The way BM played the start and not knowing his meta, I could see how he would come to this conclusion
On July 01 2012 00:51 ShiaoPi wrote:
@Vivax
I do not want to argue about semantics with you but take it in general terms:
BKE states that he believes it beneficial to be forgiving towards newbies, he then proceeds to attack 2 people's opening posts in which they clearly state that it is a "first time" for them.
It is much more the general idea behind his posts, he tries to encourage newbies first and then attacks the first two who are "newbies" in kinds of definition.
If you cannot see the contradiction here, than there is indeed no point in further arguing with you about the case on BKE
I think this is a good point that he explained his full thought process behind
On July 01 2012 02:09 ShiaoPi wrote:Show nested quote +On July 01 2012 01:25 BroodKingEXE wrote:
Hold Up Hold Up! I clearly said that I think solstice is not a newb. He has been playing the same amount of games as me, and at my experience level that would be a scumass post to make. He dodges responsibility and subtley confirms his towniness. Why'd he do it like that? Scum thrive off subtley in their posts making us subconsiciously move them off their radar. Hell have I been subtle? A policy and two accusations making up the just of my posting. Casual's post makes no sense from a town intent, he declares he is a dumb newb and then procedes to bandwagon me on no evidence (by him). I cant give any leway on logic if their is none. I think he is a newb scum that is trying to distance himself from the guy that said" look at newbs through this lense". And let me say again I am Not A newb
At least in my perspective so if I try to hide behind that I should be lynched. Excuse me but whre did you say that solstice is not a newb? Looked through your filter, found nothing. Have you actually considered the possibility that he is in fact busy and so he dropped by with that post to say he is sorry in advance? Might be motivation to do just that, also check his other games, his opening is pretty similar to the games he has played and judging from that single post that he could be scum does not convince me. I agree on your reasoning on Casual, he is on my radar as well. I do not understand though what your "noobishness" has anything to do with the issue at hand. Nobody accused you of hiding behind noobishness so why bring it up? Until now your defense has been: -I said solstice is not newb (no idea where that comes from...) -I am not scum, since I made policy talk and two accusations. Not strong to be honest. Everyone can make policytalk and the two accusation are kind of easy, solstice is gone for a while and casualman went retard/wtf-mode. Right now I am tending on scum on you, so that will make my FoS into a vote: BroodkingEXE
Once again, I think he explained his thought process, and this vote doesn't seem nervous or forced in anyway. I don't think he's jumping a bandwagon because he brought original points to the argument.
On July 01 2012 05:57 ShiaoPi wrote:of your secret plan to world domination, which involves random vote-dropping?
Doesn't feel nervous, not anything especially strong, but I thought worth mentioning
On July 01 2012 06:54 ShiaoPi wrote:Show nested quote +On July 01 2012 06:27 Vivax wrote:
Guys, look at the voting thread. Casualman just voted for himself. That's his phase 2. I know, I quoted that already and asked him, but he just does not answer... For now I will just probably ignore him
He could have easily stuck to this point, and pressed this as his issue without question (its not like casualman has provided anything to fight this) but instead he does the townie thing of ignoring the troll
TLDR: I think he had a very townie day 1. Remember to read him as someone who's only experiences are in newbie games. His night 1+ has been a mixed bag of weird posts and normal posts.
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So Mattchew:
You make a point of Shiaopi saying he found BM town for his aggressiveness.
What do you make of him calling BM town for his aggressiveness but calling Hyaach scum for the same reason?
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Alright I'm going to try and clarify some things since apparently I didn't explain myself very coherently.
On the Foxtrotter swtich -
I had just got a scummy read on foxtrotter out of the thread. I checked the voting thread and saw that a large bandwagon had formed on him. When I went to find out why there was such a huge swing of votes towards him, I noticed that I had less then 1 hour to vote. Instead of figuring out exactly how much time I had I just "ninja" switched in both threads.
On saying "soooo, i guess i'll shut up :D " -
I had just posted a ridiculous conspiracy theory/rant against NoSmurfHere. I still think he is scum, but it was a bad way to present the information. Anyways, pretty much every single thing I wrote turned out to be false. NoSmurfHere cannot be ringleader because BM was the Ringleader. Rastaban cannot be NoSmurfHere's mafia partner because Rastaban turned up green. Once i knew the facts, I felt silly for posting my theory, and offered to shut up.
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On July 04 2012 09:17 NoSmurfHere wrote:
???
Why are you trying so hard to create a conflict?
You're assuming things unnecessarily and that's why you misinterpret things. I just meant I am wary or cautious or trying to be careful when considering town reads. I'm not necessarily suspicious of people who do it, it's just a cause to be misled.
Taking something that is not alignment indicative and using it as evidence to show someone's alignment is something both sides do. They just do it differently. My post had nothing to do with that and you're seemingly just trying to find fault in my posts because you're pissed off for whatever reason.
If you don't like my posts, go ahead and ignore me.
I'm not trying to create a conflict, there's already a conflict if you hadn't noticed.
I'm trying to understand what you mean, and you've told me. You're right, I was assuming that wary meant suspicious...but that wasn't "unnecessary", I had to assume that because that's what you said and how it sounded in context. I'm not "just trying to find fault", I'm just trying to understand. Why is me trying to understand such a bad thing?
It's not that I don't like your posts, but when everything you're saying is in direct conflict with what I'm thinking, yeah I'm gonna have a problem with that. I had a townread on Katina, she was your top suspect. My top suspect was obvTown to you, like, how the fuck do you WANT me to react to this shit? And to make matters worse, you dismiss everything I say! "Oh, you're just wrong. That post is worthless. That point is trash. You're a fucking idiot"
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@Acrofales
+ Show Spoiler +On July 04 2012 06:01 Acrofales wrote:Okay. I've read Twelve's filter and some of the points brought up about him. I now have a top 3 people I want to lynch. Twelve has some stuff that reads like scum. Compilation of the cases: Show nested quote +On July 02 2012 04:17 Mattchew wrote:Mattchew's People that need to die and why list2. TwelveBlatant contradiction in his first posts. Says he is all for Band wagon hatred, then jumps on the 2 bandwagons forming at that time (Kurumi and BKexe) + Show Spoiler +On June 24 2012 10:45 Twelve wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2012 14:17 Sinensis wrote:On June 23 2012 13:19 grush57 wrote:
If you're too lazy to post about policy lynching me, then you would be too lazy to do anything else so goodbye, you would be useless to town anyways. You try explaining to 30 people why they should hate someone they don't know yet. I'm all for band wagon hatred! explain away On June 30 2012 15:31 Twelve wrote:
My initial thoughts are to be suspicious of Kurumi. He takes three posts to say very little, seeming to want to contribute without actually offering anything. I also agree that BroodKingEXE is suspicious for the same reasons, a long ranting post on a topic that he didn't seemed concerned about before the game started. I'm going to read the thread a bit more... just my initial thoughts. Follow this with his next 2 posts, the first with quite possibly the worst reasoning for a vote ever (read completely forced reasoning to try and continue a bandwagon), and then a post trying to be cutesy and buddying with the thread saying "don't take it personally" yuck. + Show Spoiler +On July 01 2012 08:24 Twelve wrote:Show nested quote +On July 01 2012 08:12 BroodKingEXE wrote:
I think a vote count would be appropriate:
Votecount:
VisceraEyes: VisceraEyes ,Bill Murray
mKmKmK(2): NoSmurfHere, rastaban
BroodKEXE(4): Katina, casualman, VisceraEyes , ShiaoPi, Drwiggl3s
Bill Murray(1): Acrofales
Acrofales(1): Bill Murray
casualman(3): Mattchew, BroodKingEXE, casualman This reads as scum to me. Reorganizing public information and posting it as a friendly town helping message, even though in reality it offers very little information. I hear "Hey guys, scum would never post a vote count where they are losing! Clearly BKE just has the town's best interests at heart!" On a side note though, what reasons would there be for casualman to vote for himself if he were town? On July 01 2012 17:12 Twelve wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On July 01 2012 16:07 BroodKingEXE wrote:Show nested quote +On July 01 2012 08:24 Twelve wrote:On July 01 2012 08:12 BroodKingEXE wrote:
I think a vote count would be appropriate:
Votecount:
VisceraEyes: VisceraEyes ,Bill Murray
mKmKmK(2): NoSmurfHere, rastaban
BroodKEXE(4): Katina, casualman, VisceraEyes , ShiaoPi, Drwiggl3s
Bill Murray(1): Acrofales
Acrofales(1): Bill Murray
casualman(3): Mattchew, BroodKingEXE, casualman This reads as scum to me. Reorganizing public information and posting it as a friendly town helping message, even though in reality it offers very little information. I hear "Hey guys, scum would never post a vote count where they are losing! Clearly BKE just has the town's best interests at heart!" On a side note though, what reasons would there be for casualman to vote for himself if he were town? Are you going to ninja vote me for posting a votecount? You got to be kidding me, own up to your vote and post it in the thread dude. Or are you a scum trying to jump the wagon unnoticed? Not sure that ninja voting is against the rules, but just so we can stay friends: ##vote: BKXI made my case against you, not really trying to hide anything. The current "bandwagon" against you is merely logical, nothing personal ^^
I don't know why Mattchew is making connection cases based on not-yet-flipped people, but of the two I think Twelve is more likely to flip scum and I think this case sums up his D1 behaviour. Twelve's defense consists mainly of "it was a joke" and some discussion about what a bandwagon is, which seemed okay when I hadn't read his filter and only saw the case in a list of scum. Now I'm no longer convinced. + Show Spoiler [Twelve's defense] +On July 02 2012 04:55 Twelve wrote:@Mattchew haha where to start... My first post that you quote was from before the game even started, so it probably shouldn't be taken to seriously. I simply don't know anyone here and was trying to start a conversation. The fact that you see a contradiction is also puzzling I can sort of see how it could be misinterpreted that I was saying "I am all for the hatred of bandwagons" but thats not what I was saying. In fact I was saying the opposite, I was asking to be clued in so I could join a bandwagon, but this was largely a joke. Suffice to say, anything I said before the game officially started probably shouldn't concern town too much. I do take issue with your use of the word band wagon though, upon reading the thread I found both BKE and Kurumi extremely suspicious, regardless of other players posts, and made my thoughts known. BKE says alot while conveying extremely little actual information, appearing to be helpful but really just mixing the pot. Kurumi writes long winded, somewhat schizophrenic sounding poems to his co-workers that are about as informative as a fortune cookie. I don't to see a vote count or FOS: BKE FOS:Kurumi for my brain to begin forming conclusions. As for the cutesy yuck bit, he seemed pretty angry that I would vote in the vote in the voting thread without warning him, so I tried to keep things light  (read: I wrote something much ruder but thought better of it and decided to kill him with niceness :D) As far as calling out casualman, I tried very hard to think of any strategic reason a town would vote for themselves and I could think of none. I had the same issue with VE voting for himself, but voted unvoted in the same post, sort of like lowering and raising a supply depot while you wait for your rax to build i guess, so I really don't have a problem with it going under the radar. Bugs suggested this about his apeshit behaviour at night: Show nested quote +On July 03 2012 07:04 NoSmurfHere wrote:On July 03 2012 06:52 marvellosity wrote:
NoSmurfHere - here's a clue. You're not established. even if I'm not established he'd just call me scum. To call me godfather is stretching unnecessarily. It could only mean he already knows my alignment. I don't really see a reason why a townie would call someone godfather. Scum pushing a townie, or scum distancing himself from an actual godfather are both better explanations. I seem to remember there being another case against Twelve which was the one that actually made him blip on my scumdar, but I cannot find it. Anyway, yeah. I'm still not completely sure about Vivax, Katina has gone awol again. Lets kill Twelve. ##unvote
##vote Twelve
I am curious why you are quoting Mattchew to make your case against me. Mattchew never had a case against me, it never had any traction, He misread a post from before the game ever started and tried to point out my "contradictions". Ridiculousness.
The reason I said what I said about NoSmurfHere was because I wanted to get my notes out to a detective in case I died. Maybe indicative of newbieness, but I didn't want to die and not be able to say anything else.
Finally, would you mind revisiting your scumdar and finding an actual case against me? I'll gladly answer any further questions.
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Alright, I am back!
I see there has been a lot of talk about me today and I'm sorry I haven't been here to defend myself. There was so much I don't even know where to start. I noticed that there has been talk about my meta and that I haven't been digging much into reads and filters. In a big game like this there are so many people that I'm looking at, I just post my vibes for now until I see more from each player.
I'm going to get make my case now on a worthy subject and I will post it as soon as I am done.
To the batcave!!!
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On July 04 2012 09:41 VisceraEyes wrote:Show nested quote +On July 04 2012 09:17 NoSmurfHere wrote:
???
Why are you trying so hard to create a conflict?
You're assuming things unnecessarily and that's why you misinterpret things. I just meant I am wary or cautious or trying to be careful when considering town reads. I'm not necessarily suspicious of people who do it, it's just a cause to be misled.
Taking something that is not alignment indicative and using it as evidence to show someone's alignment is something both sides do. They just do it differently. My post had nothing to do with that and you're seemingly just trying to find fault in my posts because you're pissed off for whatever reason.
If you don't like my posts, go ahead and ignore me. It's not that I don't like your posts, but when everything you're saying is in direct conflict with what I'm thinking, yeah I'm gonna have a problem with that. I had a townread on Katina, she was your top suspect. My top suspect was obvTown to you, like, how the fuck do you WANT me to react to this shit? And to make matters worse, you dismiss everything I say! "Oh, you're just wrong. That post is worthless. That point is trash. You're a fucking idiot"
man everything I'm saying is not in direct conflict with you. We (apparently) had the same scumread on BM. I called the vig shot on him. If you find Twelve, ShiaoPi, and Katina to all be town then you haven't done a great job in expressing yourself on that front (other than Katina). I consider Vivax town for the exact same reason you consider him to be tunneling you; you think he didn't read. You clearly didn't read his posts very well and he even answered why he didn't vote you or Acrofales. Not to mention he clarified it again.
Could I be wrong? Sure, but you haven't really pushed your read after I showed resistance to it. You just got mad and gave up. How the hell is that supposed to convince me that you are right and I am wrong? It just serves to piss people off and get confused at how dramatic you are.
If you think Twelve and ShiaoPi are town why don't you tell us all why? I asked Mattchew a question just now about ShiaoPi and he didn't answer yet. You mind telling me what you think about that question?
It'd be really nice if you stopped being a drama queen and answered questions/pushed your reads without getting offended every single time I disagree with you.
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also, I called one of your points worthless ONCE because it had already been refuted. If you want to exaggerate, go ahead, but obviously it's not going to get us anywhere.
I thought it was particularly funny that as soon as I revealed who I was you immediately called me scum. It's like this vicious pattern every game where you simply call me scum just because. You might have been right once but you're just going to shit up the thread if you call me scum every time we're in a game together.
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Actually, Acro called the vig shot on him, but semantics.
You want me to push my reads, but you simultaneously don't want me to shit up the thread in a direct confrontation with you. I don't get it, but whatever....not my battle. I'm through trying to get along with you in-game. We're not compatible in-game. If you weren't such a cool fucker outside of game, we'd have serious issues.
My opinion on your question is that it's loaded. There's no acceptable response to that question. All it serves to do is make Shiao look suspicious, the answer is completely irrelevant.
##Unvote
##Vote: Vivax
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I can't even tell if you're scum this game because you've been so contrary to everything I've tried to do...that doesn't make you scum, it just makes you................not on my wavelength. Which is comforting because I dislike your style, but not comforting because I like your ability to reason. At any rate, as I said I'm through trying to get along with you. This is business now, and from a business standpoint you have more pull than I do in this town. So I'm going to look over your scum suspects while I go over my own, and see where the fuck I end up doing it that way.
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WBG I think that Shiao's initial reasoning for voting for voting hyaach had nothing to do with his in thread aggression it was other reasons. Then later he cited that Hyaach reacted aggressively, meaning the aggressiveness was forced out of him, not like BM who was outwardly aggressive without any pressure. So I don't think his reasons for hyaach are contradicting his reasons for BM.
But I am doing way too much talking on his behalf lol
I am suspicious of ET, his contributions seem to be very few and far between. VE and WBG what do you guys think
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I'm gonna have to think about this read. I feel so strongly about shiao too.
Anyway as for ET I agree. Besides Katina he's the scummiest vet in the game and something just feels wrongabout his play.
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Alright: casualman is Mafia. He has gone after five people with close to no reason for it. He doesn't have any post that say much and are worthless. His posts consist of one lines saying who he thinks we should lynch.
On July 03 2012 09:10 casualman wrote:
lynch drwiggles
On July 03 2012 11:33 casualman wrote:
guys lynch visceraeyes
What's interesting about this is he later agrees with VE's point about Vivax being scummy. He definetly has a lot of changes of heart. It reminds me of a spoiled kid that makes his parents buy him toys that he never wants.
On July 03 2012 11:52 casualman wrote:
you are just slipping incredibly much.
i don't have to defend myself because i'm obviously town.
Here he uses the BM defense "I'm obviously town so don't even think about killing me" BM loves to play that card when he is Mafia.
I'm going to vote for casualman to see if he wants to come out and play
##Vote: casualman
Now for Mandalor:
I challenge you all to read his filter and ask yourself "What has he done this game?" The disturbing thing about his filter is after reading it when I tried to remember what he talked about. I couldn't think of anything. He has posts, yes but they are almost worthless.
In his filter he has a lot against Mattchew. Or does he? Recently he said he wanted to kill him however if you look at his filter closely he never gives reasoning behind it. He will talk about Mattchew's posts but never directly call him Mafia. Lookie:
On July 02 2012 06:57 Mandalor wrote:Show nested quote +On July 02 2012 06:51 Mattchew wrote:On July 02 2012 06:45 Mandalor wrote:On July 02 2012 06:25 Mattchew wrote:On July 02 2012 06:23 Mandalor wrote:
I said I didn't catch up to the thread. That implies I've read parts of it. Whether that's 10 pages or 14 or 8 is irrelevant I think? I didn't know that was important. There are several people that voted and changed their mind during the course of day1. I didn't change my mind, although I'm not at all sure about BKE, but I don't see how that makes me scum. It means you did not consume all the information available to you before making an opinion. The vote seemed forced out of you by the way the thread was going. Yeah I voted before reading every page. Guilty of charge. I was afraid of being modkilled and therefore decided to place a vote early. BKE's post in question was early in the thread and it looked suspicious to me. I then decided to read the rest of the thread and I'm up to date now. So yeah, it was forced. Not forced by anyone in the game tho. Noone implied I was mafia before I voted, so - again - how does that make me scum? On July 02 2012 06:28 Mattchew wrote:On July 02 2012 06:19 Mandalor wrote:On July 02 2012 05:59 Mattchew wrote:On July 02 2012 05:38 Mandalor wrote:On July 02 2012 04:17 Mattchew wrote:Mattchew's People that need to die and why list3. MandalorFirst post of the game says he hasn't read, but still votes BKE. Cool, I like being scum and trying to blend in by voting the popular candidate too. + Show Spoiler +On July 01 2012 01:42 Mandalor wrote:
##VOTE: BKE
I expected this game to start in like a week or sth. I'll promise to catch up with the thread and be more active beginning tomorrow. Second post, he claims to have caught up, but offers literally no reason for his vote which he still agrees with. Hi scum trying not to be accountable for reads and reasons! + Show Spoiler +On July 01 2012 06:10 Mandalor wrote:Show nested quote +On July 01 2012 01:46 MajuGarzett wrote:On July 01 2012 01:42 Mandalor wrote:
##VOTE: BKE
I expected this game to start in like a week or sth. I'll promise to catch up with the thread and be more active beginning tomorrow. If you're not caught up why did you vote? I had read the first ten pages and it seemed to be the best option. Haven't changed my mind now that I'vve caught up. It's day1 tho, I don't expect a 100% surefire candidate to pop up this early. I wont post his whole filter, but he then goes onto explain that he voted and is voting BKE cause he causes trouble for the town early on. Is this the fault of BKE or the fault of those creating the shitstorm around him with little to no reasoning? Voting for someone because they are being highlighted in the thread and because a lot of people yell "he's scum" at him is terrible reasoning. He also says "I ignored the post-analysis option, because - and I repeat - this is Day1. I barely have a case for BKE, but I have to vote." which just encourages more people to vote ignorantly without reason. Awesome. I love how you blatantly leave out parts of my post so it alligns with what you say. Maybe I should really disregard my anti-post-analytics on day 1 policy, because that reeks of scum. I'd like to highlight that specific part again for future reference: Second post, he claims to have caught up, but offers literally no reason for his vote which he still agrees with. Also you seem to have issues with reading comprehension. I didn't say I didn't read in my first post. I said I didn't catch up, yet. Huge difference (10 pages in my situation). Obviously that only helps your case against me. Since you're making yourself so important, I guess I'll just do that too. You are now my die-list. which parts did I leave out. Did you say that you had read ten pages in that first post? That huge difference is only clarified after someone else called you on it, making it null and void because we have no way of knowing how much you read / didn't read. Did you offer any reasoning for your vote on BKE in your first 2 posts? Did you ever offer any reasons why BKE is causing the so-called trouble you are voting him for? Did you every shine light on how he is pushing a mafia agenda or acting scummy or anything about his scum-like behavior? No you just said he's causing trouble. You left my third post out and decided to summarize and add some nice flavor to it. You know, the whole voting for someone because he was highlighted yadda yadda. I never said or implied any of that. I gave my reasoning in my third post. And you repeat that I voted for BKE with no reason. It's right there. It's fine that you think I'm scum, but you're not helping town by putting words in my mouth. You just join the people that have a case against me and add some lies to it. That's nice, I think I did this in mafia 3. I gave my reasons in post 3. Nothing to add, really. Here's a link to my filter: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=344514&user=2074 I know the link to your filter extremely well trust me. You claim that I summarized it too vaguely. Mind telling me your reason other than his disturbance to the thread, why you think BKE is scum or a good lynch? I am just using your own words. + Show Spoiler +On July 01 2012 10:21 Mandalor wrote:
On Day1, I feel like there's only two good options for town.
a) kill a lurker
b) kill a guy that causes trouble just hours into the game
I don't like option a). Playing as mafia is fun. You hang around in a chat channel and make your plans. You're probably more busy with the chat than writing in the thread, but still... you're less likely to lurk. If the mafia is smart, they will have a couple of lurkers, but definitely not the majority so the odds of killing a town lurker is a lot higher on day1.
BKE qualifies for option b). Whether or not he's mafia, I personally don't like people in my game that use words like "scummy" judging people's first post in the game. Noone has posted enough in this game that I could possibly have built a good enough opinion on them, but apparently he can do that.
I'm not even going to address his newbie-theory.
I'm not saying I'm sure about BKE whatsoever, but he's our best option in my book. This post: On June 30 2012 10:30 BroodKingEXE wrote:On June 30 2012 10:21 s0Lstice wrote:
Hello folks. I'll be joining the ranks of the scum hunters once again (5th time in a row!). This is my first large game, so it's going to be an adjustment...but one I'm capable of making. Being that it's friday night I will be scarce, but I'll be active on saturday, and I'm sure I'll have plenty of material to analyze. Stay tuned.
Saying that this is your 5th time in a row being town-aligned has the undercurrent of convincing us you are town in this game, and you dodge posting responsibility by it being a Friday. This is a scummy post to start out with. s0lstice first post in the thread (after the game started). I still don't see anything fishy there. At this point I'm even more convinced of mK or probably even you. If I vote for mK, people will call me an obvious bandwagoner. If I vote for you, I'm throwing away my vote, looking probably even more scummy. This is a sitation I haven't been in, yet. Tbh I don't see how to clear myself. People like you seem to have made up your mind on 0 evidence and literally anything I do will make me look worse. So because you don't see anything fishy, means that someone who sees things differently then you is scum? Welcome to mafia, if you are town you are going to be voting on a LOT of mislynches. Why am i scum again? because i think you are scum? or is it because I am promoting discussion in the thread and bringing about viable reasoning for lynch candidates Okay one more post I guess. I don't understand his reasoning. It just looks like the desperate try to start a bandwagon. That's what looks fishy to me. Plus the newbie-theory which would just open up another characteristic of mafia to act like. As I said you're putting words in my mouth. You desperately try to make me look bad without hard evidence. People have called me out earlier and you just join in. No matter what happens tonight, I will remain on people's radar and you solidify that by inventing and implying stuff I never said.
He says Mattchew is putting words in his mouth which I agree with but he doesn't seem to have the balls to call him out. It's like he subtly wants us to believe he's going for Mattchew but in reality there's no actual case nor is there any reasoning. This is definetly consistant with Mafia behavior. Not matter what Mattchew flips he will be able to take the side to look like he was right all the time. For the record I think Mattchew is town but if he flips Mandalor will be able to play it off easy.
Other than that, what has he done really? Nothing. He says BKE is scum but hasn't said anything about how or why since beginning of day 1. He's said multiple times that he doesn't think Mattchew's list is all-town. Which is a pretty derpy thing to say when you consider the actual odds of it being all-town. Even so he doesn't give reasoning why he thinks that way.
Neither of these guys have past games to go by. I'm not going to count Mandalor's games from 3 years ago, all he did was play inactive no matter what role he was. I say we kill casualman first for doing the coagulation thing, but Mandalor is equally attractive.
As for BKE, I still think that he is suspicious. He jumps all over the place and made some very questionable posts in the beginning of the game and lots of people saw this. I would like to kill the above two people more than him right now.
Hyaach, I think he's suspicious and I would be fine with lynching him but I'm going to push for the others before him. Some of the arguements against him I think are unjust and the sudden attention on him seems all too convienent. I'll look into him further as the day goes on.
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Katina why focus on casualman but no mention of grush?
Why focus on Mandalor and consider Hyaach but not consider, say, Twelve, or ShiaoPi, or Adam/maju?
(does anyone else remember that those last two are actually in this game?)
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Easy, I don't think Twelve, ShiaoPi, Adam/maju are scummy at the moment or at least not enough for me to push for them. Adam/maju haven't really posted much so I don't have enough of a read on them. I haven't paid enough attention to grush to get a good enough read. All those people I would like to see more from before making a confident decision on their alignment. If your going to make me pick one I would kill maju at this moment in time.
I was merely posting my thoughts since I said I would and I have been busy for a lot of this time and haven't been posting as much as I would like.
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I completely forgot adam was in this game, I have NEVER seen him play like this before. He is ALWAYS helpful, active and extremely townie as town
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I agree on ET, actually. I don't know what to think about casualman, as he's really only attacked me with any fervor.
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Yeah ET is acting really weird, similarly blending in to his play in JubJub. I expect so much more from him and Adam.
##vote EchelonTee
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EPT
