EPTTL Mafia LVI - Page 57
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Hyaach
Singapore1737 Posts
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VisceraEyes
United States21170 Posts
Convince him, and you convince me friend. | ||
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Kurumi
Poland6130 Posts
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ShiaoPi
TAIWAN NUMBAH WAN5956 Posts
Well I just noticed that you had done nothing D1 and built a case upon it. Sucks to be me I guess | ||
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Mattchew
United States5684 Posts
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ShiaoPi
TAIWAN NUMBAH WAN5956 Posts
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Vivax
21972 Posts
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kingdedede
Kazakhstan80 Posts
I liked Twelve for lynching after reading his filter and the cases on him. My vote's on him. I don't know why people are suddenly switching. It feels like something is being manipulated, but I don't know what. I'll think about it. Maybe while asleep shit will fall together and we can lynch scum tomorrow. | ||
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Acrofales
Spain17989 Posts
On July 04 2012 08:32 kingdedede wrote: I had a very slight town read on ShiaoPi after D1. I also don't think he fits with the others in the lurker category, he has been posting reads. I haven't analyzed his filter in a while, but I also remember him clearing some of the wifom flying around with drwiggl3s going nuts at night. I liked Twelve for lynching after reading his filter and the cases on him. My vote's on him. I don't know why people are suddenly switching. It feels like something is being manipulated, but I don't know what. I'll think about it. Maybe while asleep shit will fall together and we can lynch scum tomorrow. Sigh. Stupid SSB hydra/smurf. kingderpdederp is clearly me. | ||
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Vivax
21972 Posts
I think I have focused too much on Shiaos latest posts to vote for him. Here's something to Shiaos defense: On July 02 2012 19:39 ShiaoPi wrote: @Acrofales: Your case on Vivax does have merit, but sadly I would say that he is town. He defends me while I even suspected him and disagreed with him most of the time. On July 02 2012 19:39 ShiaoPi wrote: @Vivax: I do not agree on your read on marv, sure he led a mislynch, but being wrong is no scumtrait. Also the way it unfolded marv looked really town just go and check his filter. He was right with marv's alignment and defended him. I've found some more speaking for a town Shiao, but for me the above is reason enough to go back to a twelve lynch. The play is quite different from the one I know, still. | ||
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NoSmurfHere
New Zealand613 Posts
Like, look at his first post: it's just a total rehash of everything that happened and it reminds me of those posts Zealos makes when he rolls scum. It's that "summarize everything" newbie scum crap that they do when they have no idea how to blend in. Shiaopi have you ever played scum before? Can you link me to that game if you have? Have you played town besides XVI? Link me there as well? Acro and Mattchew, what is it about Shiaopi you find townie? | ||
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ShiaoPi
TAIWAN NUMBAH WAN5956 Posts
Never played scum. Town games: NMM XIII http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=334707 NMM XIV http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=337671 NMM XV http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=340298 NMM XVI http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=342960 Maybe they will help you find something. I am off to bed | ||
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NoSmurfHere
New Zealand613 Posts
What separates scum from town is proactiveness in pushing correct lynches and stopping mislynches. Marv was obviously good enough for scum to shoot him, so any scum would have interest in defending marv so that they look better in light of him flipping town. In other words, people calling others town is not alignment indicative and it's a strong reason why I'm wary of people posting their town reads without cause. I think it's only necessary when you're dealing with someone who is likely to be lynched or who has a strong case against them. | ||
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VisceraEyes
United States21170 Posts
On July 04 2012 08:47 NoSmurfHere wrote: I don't put much worth into posts that say "your case on X is good but I think he's town" because scum already know alignments. It's the easiest way to gain cred. What separates scum from town is proactiveness in pushing correct lynches and stopping mislynches. Marv was obviously good enough for scum to shoot him, so any scum would have interest in defending marv so that they look better in light of him flipping town. In other words, people calling others town is not alignment indicative and it's a strong reason why I'm wary of people posting their town reads without cause. I think it's only necessary when you're dealing with someone who is likely to be lynched or who has a strong case against them. So which is it NSH? Is calling others town not alignment indicative or cause to be wary? Ugh, like I don't understand why you think my logic is so hard to follow when you post trash like this. | ||
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BroodKingEXE
United States829 Posts
On July 03 2012 22:52 Hyaach wrote: Katina's filter auto explains herself. ShaoPi's filter are easy to make. Mattchew's list has most turn out town and one turned out ringleader. After his initial meta push on BM, he never went back to discuss BM's play. Spreads FoS over everyone, granted, they were all making bad post but so was BM. And his response to nosmurfhere's list was kinda odd. quoting it 3 times to make a point? VE may be town but I don't get how he see Katina as town too. Then he went on to say nosmurfhere looks scummy to discredit his list. Your only post regarding your reads list. It doesn't provide any info besides your reads. I want to know why you think these people are scummy. You're just stating stuff there is nothing behind any of your posts. What about D1 interactions? If you sat out on D1 you should have plenty of info to give on those: spill. Your holding back or your lying about stuff. | ||
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BroodKingEXE
United States829 Posts
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NoSmurfHere
New Zealand613 Posts
For example, Vivax just used that quote that isn't alignment indicative to suggest to himself that ShiaoPi is scum. It just undermines the read unnecessarily when it shouldn't really change the read in the first place. It's a tool that can be used by mafia to undermine legitimate cases and it's a phenomenon that is misinterpreted often by townies (like meta) How is this bad logic, exactly? Anyway as I read further into ShiaoPi's past games I'm more convinced he's scum. Confirmation bias, perhaps, but I really don't find much of a resemblance between his posts here and in any of his past games that I've read. In XIV he had a defense of himself against a fairly weak accusation that went on for paragraphs. Here his defense is mostly just "I'm finding it hard to adjust to the game size" which is just newb card. | ||
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NoSmurfHere
New Zealand613 Posts
BTW VE if you have such a problem with my read then don't sheep me. You haven't even shown that you are really town yet. | ||
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VisceraEyes
United States21170 Posts
That's why I think it's fucking bullshit for you to say I don't explain MY reasoning and say that my logic is hard to follow when you do the exact same thing, BUT OH IT'S OKAY WHEN YOU DO IT. | ||
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VisceraEyes
United States21170 Posts
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