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Okay. I've read Twelve's filter and some of the points brought up about him. I now have a top 3 people I want to lynch. Twelve has some stuff that reads like scum. Compilation of the cases:
On July 02 2012 04:17 Mattchew wrote:Mattchew's People that need to die and why list2. TwelveBlatant contradiction in his first posts. Says he is all for Band wagon hatred, then jumps on the 2 bandwagons forming at that time (Kurumi and BKexe) + Show Spoiler +On June 24 2012 10:45 Twelve wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2012 14:17 Sinensis wrote:On June 23 2012 13:19 grush57 wrote:
If you're too lazy to post about policy lynching me, then you would be too lazy to do anything else so goodbye, you would be useless to town anyways. You try explaining to 30 people why they should hate someone they don't know yet. I'm all for band wagon hatred! explain away On June 30 2012 15:31 Twelve wrote:
My initial thoughts are to be suspicious of Kurumi. He takes three posts to say very little, seeming to want to contribute without actually offering anything. I also agree that BroodKingEXE is suspicious for the same reasons, a long ranting post on a topic that he didn't seemed concerned about before the game started. I'm going to read the thread a bit more... just my initial thoughts. Follow this with his next 2 posts, the first with quite possibly the worst reasoning for a vote ever (read completely forced reasoning to try and continue a bandwagon), and then a post trying to be cutesy and buddying with the thread saying "don't take it personally" yuck. + Show Spoiler +On July 01 2012 08:24 Twelve wrote:Show nested quote +On July 01 2012 08:12 BroodKingEXE wrote:
I think a vote count would be appropriate:
Votecount:
VisceraEyes: VisceraEyes ,Bill Murray
mKmKmK(2): NoSmurfHere, rastaban
BroodKEXE(4): Katina, casualman, VisceraEyes , ShiaoPi, Drwiggl3s
Bill Murray(1): Acrofales
Acrofales(1): Bill Murray
casualman(3): Mattchew, BroodKingEXE, casualman This reads as scum to me. Reorganizing public information and posting it as a friendly town helping message, even though in reality it offers very little information. I hear "Hey guys, scum would never post a vote count where they are losing! Clearly BKE just has the town's best interests at heart!" On a side note though, what reasons would there be for casualman to vote for himself if he were town? On July 01 2012 17:12 Twelve wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On July 01 2012 16:07 BroodKingEXE wrote:Show nested quote +On July 01 2012 08:24 Twelve wrote:On July 01 2012 08:12 BroodKingEXE wrote:
I think a vote count would be appropriate:
Votecount:
VisceraEyes: VisceraEyes ,Bill Murray
mKmKmK(2): NoSmurfHere, rastaban
BroodKEXE(4): Katina, casualman, VisceraEyes , ShiaoPi, Drwiggl3s
Bill Murray(1): Acrofales
Acrofales(1): Bill Murray
casualman(3): Mattchew, BroodKingEXE, casualman This reads as scum to me. Reorganizing public information and posting it as a friendly town helping message, even though in reality it offers very little information. I hear "Hey guys, scum would never post a vote count where they are losing! Clearly BKE just has the town's best interests at heart!" On a side note though, what reasons would there be for casualman to vote for himself if he were town? Are you going to ninja vote me for posting a votecount? You got to be kidding me, own up to your vote and post it in the thread dude. Or are you a scum trying to jump the wagon unnoticed? Not sure that ninja voting is against the rules, but just so we can stay friends: ##vote: BKXI made my case against you, not really trying to hide anything. The current "bandwagon" against you is merely logical, nothing personal ^^
I don't know why Mattchew is making connection cases based on not-yet-flipped people, but of the two I think Twelve is more likely to flip scum and I think this case sums up his D1 behaviour. Twelve's defense consists mainly of "it was a joke" and some discussion about what a bandwagon is, which seemed okay when I hadn't read his filter and only saw the case in a list of scum. Now I'm no longer convinced.
+ Show Spoiler [Twelve's defense] +On July 02 2012 04:55 Twelve wrote:@Mattchew haha where to start... My first post that you quote was from before the game even started, so it probably shouldn't be taken to seriously. I simply don't know anyone here and was trying to start a conversation. The fact that you see a contradiction is also puzzling I can sort of see how it could be misinterpreted that I was saying "I am all for the hatred of bandwagons" but thats not what I was saying. In fact I was saying the opposite, I was asking to be clued in so I could join a bandwagon, but this was largely a joke. Suffice to say, anything I said before the game officially started probably shouldn't concern town too much. I do take issue with your use of the word band wagon though, upon reading the thread I found both BKE and Kurumi extremely suspicious, regardless of other players posts, and made my thoughts known. BKE says alot while conveying extremely little actual information, appearing to be helpful but really just mixing the pot. Kurumi writes long winded, somewhat schizophrenic sounding poems to his co-workers that are about as informative as a fortune cookie. I don't to see a vote count or FOS: BKE FOS:Kurumi for my brain to begin forming conclusions. As for the cutesy yuck bit, he seemed pretty angry that I would vote in the vote in the voting thread without warning him, so I tried to keep things light  (read: I wrote something much ruder but thought better of it and decided to kill him with niceness :D) As far as calling out casualman, I tried very hard to think of any strategic reason a town would vote for themselves and I could think of none. I had the same issue with VE voting for himself, but voted unvoted in the same post, sort of like lowering and raising a supply depot while you wait for your rax to build i guess, so I really don't have a problem with it going under the radar.
Bugs suggested this about his apeshit behaviour at night:
On July 03 2012 07:04 NoSmurfHere wrote:Show nested quote +On July 03 2012 06:52 marvellosity wrote:
NoSmurfHere - here's a clue. You're not established. even if I'm not established he'd just call me scum. To call me godfather is stretching unnecessarily. It could only mean he already knows my alignment.
I don't really see a reason why a townie would call someone godfather. Scum pushing a townie, or scum distancing himself from an actual godfather are both better explanations.
I seem to remember there being another case against Twelve which was the one that actually made him blip on my scumdar, but I cannot find it. Anyway, yeah. I'm still not completely sure about Vivax, Katina has gone awol again. Lets kill Twelve.
##unvote
##vote Twelve
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Have you looked at Shiaopi, Acrofales? Can you give me an idea of what you think of him? Worse or better than Twelve would be good enough, I imagine.
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On July 04 2012 05:58 NoSmurfHere wrote:
Stop talking to Kurumi, it's a colossal waste of time and space. If he wants to contribute he'll contribute. Otherwise we're best off just reading his posts and ignoring him for a while.
@VE there is nothing particularly scummy in the post of Vivax you quoted. Just calling something scummy doesn't make it so, and I'm pretty annoyed that you haven't yet learned your lesson. If you can learn to actually provide reasons for your reads then I might listen to you, but until then you're not really worthy of any serious attention. If you continue to do so I'll call for your lynch. The fact of the matter is that Vivax's activity patterns and his effort indicate that he's either a townie who is seeking to kill mafia but doesn't really know the proper things to look for (which is why he attacked marv, for example) or he's a really good scum who is pushing blame onto culpable townies. For now I lean toward the former because some of his posts (such as the one that missed the reason for your selfvote/unvote) simply indicate he is a townie who isn't reading thoroughly.
Upon rereading, my stance on Katina hasn't changed. I am very sure she is scum. I am also still fairly sure Twelve is scum, and that Shiaopi is scum. I'll post cases later today but these three players are my strongest reads. I have to look at the posts a couple more times to see if I'm just paranoid or if there is a scum, but I really do think that one of the more active players (i.e. someone between ET, Acro, and VE) might be scum. I just can't figure out why I have that nagging feeling or who it is.
Okay, this stops here. I've provided reasoning for thinking Vivax is scum, several times. It's not scummy "because I called it so", it's scummy because it's indicative of pushing an agenda Bugs. Like, I explained that in the post! I explained that the fact that he didn't push us at all after that post VERY CLEARLY ILLUSTRATES THAT HE'S PUSHING AN AGENDA. Don't threaten me with "Oh I'll push your lynch if you don't stop", that's absolutely asinine. You think I'm afraid of you sir? You think I'm afraid to die? I'm fucking town bro, I'm not scared of you pushing my lynch because I know I'm town and I have faith that town will see that. ESPECIALLY since you're threatening to lynch me for pushing my lynch preference. Get over yourself. I can get Vivax lynched without your help, or the help of your cronies.
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I'm in for a twelve lynch.
His bandwagoning on the FT lynch is reason enough. And I don't buy the story where he kills his rl friend, who then turns out to be townie. Jerk.
VE, more facts, less emotions. Clap clap for the speech.
##Vote twelve
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All townies should be voting for Vivax, for the good of the town.
On July 02 2012 00:41 VisceraEyes wrote:Vivex is blatantly misrepresenting the facts. I explain, pretty clearly, that I voted for myself so that the voting thread would show up on my Subscribed Threads list. This thread was already on there from me posting in this thread several times even before the game started, but I had no reason to post in the vote-thread until the game had started, and so it wasn't on my subscribed threads list when the game started. I've explained this in two separate posts here Show nested quote +On June 30 2012 18:33 VisceraEyes wrote:
BM, I did that specifically to get the thread in my subscribed threads. Come on, sir.
Reverse-WIFOM? Really? and here.... Show nested quote +On June 30 2012 18:41 VisceraEyes wrote:
Hey I'm the first to admit that sometimes, lynching VE is the optimal play. That's not what my self-vote was intended to signify my desire for, however. I literally posted in the thread so it would auto-subscribe. So I don't know why you're saying that I "haven't defended myself" on the matter when I clearly have. Get your facts right, seriously.
On July 03 2012 14:31 VisceraEyes wrote:This vote...feels better. I want to lynch Vivax. For starters, Vivax directly supported BM's (dumb) case against Acro and I. However, in spite of me lurking like a beast in D1 and Acro pushing a BM lynch, Vivax never pushed for either of our lynch. Ever. Unless this post counts - I've spoilered it because it's big. And you'd think after a big-ass post like this there'd be a vote attached to it or something...there isn't. + Show Spoiler +On July 02 2012 00:34 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On July 01 2012 23:50 VisceraEyes wrote:
Now, this is the ONLY question you've asked me Viv (that I can see), and you've TWICE now accused me of ignoring questions...which is funny because I answer the question in my filter BEFORE you ask it.
So I guess the question becomes: instead of accuse me of "evading your questions" or whatever, why didn't you just look in my filter for the answers you sought? Show nested quote +On July 01 2012 00:29 Vivax wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On June 30 2012 10:39 VisceraEyes wrote:Show nested quote +On June 30 2012 10:03 BroodKingEXE wrote:
I want to start out discussing newbies. How are we as a town going to deal with players that are not as strong (as we do have a couple in the game)? Personally I think that these players need to be examined for the intent of their posts more than the evidence that they provide. Newbies still need to figure out what types of evidence are valid for examining a person, and we need to look at whether they are trying to draw out info from nothing or if there was actually a scummy read behind it. In the last few games I have played newbies have been lynched from poor evidence when they in fact were legitimately trying to help the town. I want everyone to take this in mind as we deal with newbies. .......I'm kinda having a hard time accepting that you don't have an agenda considering all these factors. FoS: BKE
The case against BKE also started based on a weak claim. How the hell is one supposed to have an agenda when he's taling about policy? Should BKE have posted all lurkers and newbies or what did you expect him to do, VE? My other question concerns your reasons for suspecting BKE. Regarding BillMurray:Your reason for suspecting him is that you think that he tried to start a bandwagon on you. He called you out cause of your selfvote, and so did I. You never defended yourself for your weird self-vote, others defended you instead, like acrofales with this lolpost: Show nested quote +On June 30 2012 17:53 Acrofales wrote:On June 30 2012 14:23 Bill Murray wrote:
VE's selfvote shenanigans is scummy
I do not agree with faking confirmation bias I disagree. A selfvote at this point is completely null: it's the start of D1 when votes mean nothing, and who the hell knows why VE does what he does anyway?However, with all the pre-game "policy lynch VE" stuff going on (it was fun, but lets not take that shit seriously), I think scum could be pushing a VE lynch based on shitty evidence like this. ##vote BillMurray Doesn't look like acrofales has any interest whatsoever in even considering a scum VE, and his next post: Show nested quote +On June 30 2012 19:16 Acrofales wrote:On June 30 2012 18:47 Bill Murray wrote:
your selfvote does not fool me VE
VE + Acrofales scumteam
calling it now Lol. Nice OMGUS. So let me follow your thought process. 1. VE is scum because he voted for himself, which only scum would do to look townie. 2. I call the reason dumb (which I guess could conceivably be seen as a defense of VE, but was more an attack on you. I am still pretty null on VE). 3. Instead of backing up your reason for voting VE with some actual evidence, you OMGUS and conclude that VE and I must be scum together. Do I really need to point out the multiple logic fails in here? Here acrofales says that 1. he doesn't believe that selfvote to be scummy. 2. doesn't want to look like he's defending VE and emphasizes that he doesn't have an opinion regarding him. 3. Goes so far to say that the self-vote can't be used as evidence for anything and that BM's case is OMGUS. Then VE doesn't explain the self-vote and tries to discredit BM with this: Show nested quote +On June 30 2012 19:28 VisceraEyes wrote:
Acrofales, I suggest you leave BM to his insanities. I'm gonna look for scum instead of try and reason with him. Then BM answered with this: Show nested quote +On June 30 2012 19:32 Bill Murray wrote:
Acrofales, it's not OMGUS when I have reasoning
You have chainsawed
You have also set up a chance for a weak ass switch to the BW on BKExe
scummy as fuck
##unvote
##vote acro What's going on atm?A BKE bandwagon. I didn't like acrofales and VE after this. Notice how he never comments on BM at all. LOL I think it's funny because he specifically says "Regarding BillMurray" and then proceeds to talk not about BM, but instead about Acrofales. And now his vote is on BKE, because BM's post "looked like scum bussing, with plans to kill Acro after". Scum. Let's lynch it.
All of this is scummy as shit behavior, and I'm not going away. I was right about BM. Sheep me to victory.
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Vivax and Katina look interesting.
What do you guys think of ghost? He was the last to vote for Fox, begged for people to tell him what to vote for and then jumped on the wagon.
He made a long post on ET (who I think is town) and then badaboombadabang said he'd vote for BM (he didn't).
Other than analysing ET there is no contribution on his part.
Pretty sure he's scum. Anyone agree?
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Just skimmed through everything that has happened while I was gone.
It looks like nobody is willing to lend me a hand with hyaach as the focus switched to twelve/Vivax/Katina.
My opinion on Vivax remains the same, he is doing his usual erratic annoying townie play, so I believe we would get a mislynch if he ends up with the most votes (can't blame you for hanging him though)
I'll do some rereading on twelve and katina's past games, before giving my opinion on them
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On July 04 2012 06:24 Mandalor wrote:
Vivax and Katina look interesting.
What do you guys think of ghost? He was the last to vote for Fox, begged for people to tell him what to vote for and then jumped on the wagon.
He made a long post on ET (who I think is town) and then badaboombadabang said he'd vote for BM (he didn't).
Other than analysing ET there is no contribution on his part.
Pretty sure he's scum. Anyone agree?
Fuckin LOL.
I didn't vote for BM, I shot him.
Catching up, brb.
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Reasons the spoilered post is scummy - Calls for lynch between VE and Acro in the linked post, never votes for either of us, even after the spoilered post.
- I ask him specifically about BM, he never talks about BM
- Defends BM by saying I was "discrediting" him
Like, NSH is saying I didn't say any of this when I said all of it. And he's willfully ignoring these facts.
This isn't emotion, this is observation. *shrug*
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Second one suggesting our vigi might be scum.
Gz to your 1000th post, ghost.
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I was right about BM too, you moron.
Anyway I'm done trying to reason with you for now. The first post you quote is worthless because Vivax admitted he made a mistake regarding your selfvote. The second post hinges on Vivax apparently not pushing for your or Acro's lynch. Sure, the defense of BM makes him look bad but it's characterized by him having a strong opinion and clear stance. Most scum in that type of situation won't hardline so that they can spin the story in their favor later.
That's how grush and Katina looked when they referenced BM (and the fact of the matter is that there were very few players who mentioned him)
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That was @VE. Mandalor is clearly not reading the thread. He wouldn't make a bad lynch either.
So that means I have on my suspect list:
Twelve
Katina
Shiaopi
Mandalor
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On July 04 2012 06:30 NoSmurfHere wrote:
I was right about BM too, you moron.
Anyway I'm done trying to reason with you for now. The first post you quote is worthless because Vivax admitted he made a mistake regarding your selfvote. The second post hinges on Vivax apparently not pushing for your or Acro's lynch. Sure, the defense of BM makes him look bad but it's characterized by him having a strong opinion and clear stance. Most scum in that type of situation won't hardline so that they can spin the story in their favor later.
That's how grush and Katina looked when they referenced BM (and the fact of the matter is that there were very few players who mentioned him)
Oh, really? So, when called out, all scum have to do is to admit that they were wrong and they're clear, huh? That's cool, because I thought that when people say things, they should be held accountable for them. He thrice called me out for not answering his question Bugs, and I answered it BEFORE he asked it. So we shouldn't hold him accountable for the actions sir? No? Not at all?
What an example to set! What a precedent! You truly are a town innovator, sir. Truly.
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On July 04 2012 06:30 NoSmurfHere wrote:
I was right about BM too, you moron.
Anyway I'm done trying to reason with you for now. The first post you quote is worthless because Vivax admitted he made a mistake regarding your selfvote. The second post hinges on Vivax apparently not pushing for your or Acro's lynch. Sure, the defense of BM makes him look bad but it's characterized by him having a strong opinion and clear stance. Most scum in that type of situation won't hardline so that they can spin the story in their favor later.
That's how grush and Katina looked when they referenced BM (and the fact of the matter is that there were very few players who mentioned him)
Yeah? So? He said in the first post that he would be voting between myself and Acro, and by the second post in that quote, he STILL HADN'T DONE THAT! Having a "strong opinion and clear stance" are worth nothing if he doesn't back up his shit with a vote and act like he means it Bugs, seriously...you're ignoring the most obvious and blatant things.
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@VE: A) Calm down, the last thing I want to see here is you and anyone else mudslinging in this town.
B) I've been looking through Vivax's filter all day, and it strikes me as much more newbie town than newbie scum. Your point about the weird association with BM doesn't really prove his alignment one way or another.
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Lol.
I don't agree with you.
If Vivax answers this question satisfactorily, I still won't agree with you. If he doesn't, then I might be inclined to rethink my stance. (but that's pretty unlikely)
Vivax: why did you not vote VE or Acro yesterday?
+ Show Spoiler +the fact of the matter is that Vivax already has a statement in his filter that says why he didn't vote Acro/VE. It's hilarious to me that VE is going nuts over Vivax missing VE's selfvote explanation when VE has missed Vivax's lack of vote explanation.
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Fine whatever, tell me who to vote for then. I'd rather be painted as scum for doing what town tells me than painted as scum for trying to find scum.
##Unvote
Unreal.
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Katina's posting looks a lot more like her scum posting than her town posting. She says she's been busy, so I would cut her some slack for the time being. If she doesn't start playing town by the next cycle, I wouldn't hesitate to lynch her.
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VE if you're town then you need to go back and do what you chastised Vivax for not doing. Go back and reread the thread, because you are clearly operating either purposely on misinformation or unintentionally. If it's purposeful then obviously you're scum but if you're town you'll go back and reread everything with an objective stance.
You have this massive propensity to OMGUS as both alignments, which is why I think your read on Vivax is total horse shit.
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@NSH: A) Calm down, the last thing I want to see here is you and anyone else mudslinging in this town.
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