EPT##Vote: Vivax
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grush57
Korea (South)2582 Posts
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austinmcc
United States6737 Posts
I like his pushback against marv on the FT vote. Why would scum vivax not be content there? mK was a mislynch, FT was a mislynch, why bother bringing up Grush when he can sit on mK or FT knowing they flip town, or sit on BKE without worry that his vote looks all that odd. VE, thoughts on his D1 vote concerns? Don't particularly love the interactions with BM. Don't know why he'd support BM's cases on VE and acro, how can you support a case that basically calls 2-3 (BKX started popping into BM's stuff) people scum within the first little bit of D1? Don't love this question On July 01 2012 00:02 Vivax wrote: VE, why would you support a bandwagon on BM without posting the reasons for it? BM had been mentioned, but there was a single vote on BM at this point. And you're right, he keeps obliquely referencing BM, in that question and in his "regarding" post, without really talking about BM. Overall, I'm getting mixed signals, not enough for me to vote him yet, still need to look at others. Also, and I'm spoilering this because I may have terrible meta analysis and meta analysis on a newer player is PROBABLY not very valuable, but: + Show Spoiler + Did a quick read of Vivax's filters in Newbie XV and Newbie XVIII , townie in both. A few basic observations:
I don't love how he seems to be more focused this game compared to newbie games. Less larger posts. Less posts addressing lots of recent happenings. Not confident enough in my meta abilities or meta on a first full-size game to rely on this though. And while he's not calling out oodles of people in single posts, he did manage to find Mandalor, BKE, Marv, Acro, VE all scummy. | ||
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BroodKingEXE
United States829 Posts
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NoSmurfHere
New Zealand613 Posts
I need to reread again because I feel uncomfortable with my reads. I think Katina is scum but she's not going to be around today (and wouldn't be even if she were town) and I'm not sold on Vivax. I'm pretty sure there's at least one scum among the more active players. Perhaps ET. | ||
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VisceraEyes
United States21170 Posts
NSH please comment on the posts regarding Vivax rather than just dismissing them. "Not sold" isn't enough at this point, not when you're wishywashying out of your present candidate and you admittedly don't have any other strong reads other than "Meh I think one of the more active players is scum" with no reasoning. Guys watch NSH very closely - he was winding up to lead this lynch on Katina, and now he's backing off subtly...don't let him pull bullshit. | ||
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Vivax
22080 Posts
You might be genuinely convinced that I'm scum, but you forget there's 6 of them. Maybe don't skip everyone else's post while promoting your own. | ||
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VisceraEyes
United States21170 Posts
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austinmcc
United States6737 Posts
He posts about grush when FT has 3 votes. mKmK 10 / BKE 7 / FT 3 when Vivax spoke up. Sentiment in the thread had started to change, so it's not like he couldn't anticipate more coming, but we had less than 1:30 left and needed 5 more votes to get swapped at a minimum. The way he defends him is also less calling FT town, and more asking why Marv has singed out FT, when similar lynches are available. I'm okay with Marv's answer that the read comes from more than just the text itself, but I think Vivax's question is one that townies should have been asking. I know I didn't feel fully comfortable with why we swapped so hard. Sure, it could be to gain some cred, but it could also be concern over a really hard push on a guy for reasons that can't really be articulated. | ||
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VisceraEyes
United States21170 Posts
On July 03 2012 12:19 NoSmurfHere wrote: Scummy posts that defend BM Plenty of players said "I just don't want to read or consider BM" which is completely understandable from a town perspective. Softly calling him town is pretty strange, though. It makes sense from a mafia perspective, since they know he'd return town to checks. Sucks for them that a vig had the sense to shoot him in the face. One thing I am very interested in now: Acrofales, now that BM is dead who would you like to kill today? Who qualifies as scum? Scummy posts that defend BM. That kinda exactly describes this post doesn't it? On June 30 2012 23:30 Vivax wrote: I trust BillMurray in his case against VisceraEyes and acrofales. Why? I looked through VE's filter and didn't like it, then saw acrofales jumping in with this to try and defend him: That self-vote stunt wasn't shitty evidence. It was probably planned in egocentrical way by a scum player. I can understand if someone placed his vote on somebody else for no apparent reason, since that will immediately force someone to defend himself (or he can try and make it look like he's lurking). I don't see how a self-vote would create a good atmoshpere for town. It might all be for shits and giggles pre-game, but ingame it just might be an exaggerated attempt to act like an overconfident townie and just causes confusion. Also, Acrofales, I find you to be scummy by finding a reason to jump out of cover and defend someone, but finding no reason to make own cases and post reads. It helps me imagine the option of you trying to cover the scumbuddy who has the role of acting as an overzealous townie. And when I say overzealous, I don't speak about the value of his posts, but of the sheer amount. ____ I didn't like BKE's post until I saw him mentioning the the lynched guy he used to justify his policy lynch discussion about being careful with newbs, that's enough for me as proof that his policy talk was in town's interest and not just some attempt to start a never ending policy discussion. I still cannot be sure of him being townie on the long term, but for now it's enough. If you asked me who I would vote for right now, then it would be either VE or acrofales. So what's up NSH? What's with the double-standard, and why the pressure-drop on Acro? Where was the thought-process from the bolded heading sir? | ||
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VisceraEyes
United States21170 Posts
On July 04 2012 04:24 austinmcc wrote: I guess I'm hung up on his actions before the lynch not because he defended FT, but because of the way he defended FT and the timing. He posts about grush when FT has 3 votes. mKmK 10 / BKE 7 / FT 3 when Vivax spoke up. Sentiment in the thread had started to change, so it's not like he couldn't anticipate more coming, but we had less than 1:30 left and needed 5 more votes to get swapped at a minimum. The way he defends him is also less calling FT town, and more asking why Marv has singed out FT, when similar lynches are available. I'm okay with Marv's answer that the read comes from more than just the text itself, but I think Vivax's question is one that townies should have been asking. I know I didn't feel fully comfortable with why we swapped so hard. Sure, it could be to gain some cred, but it could also be concern over a really hard push on a guy for reasons that can't really be articulated. :/ I see what you're saying. I'm gonna go reread that whole exchange. | ||
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Kurumi
Poland6130 Posts
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Acrofales
Spain18100 Posts
On July 04 2012 05:13 Kurumi wrote: I have some classified information, but I shall not share it because it could be manipulated. Charlie Romeo Utah Mike Bravo This is nighthawk. The falcon has captured the sparrow. You mean this kind of classified? | ||
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Vivax
22080 Posts
I guess town never lynches people trolling or acting overly strange. If he's roleclaiming then he's basically making himself a target for no reason. Doesn't make sense that way. | ||
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BroodKingEXE
United States829 Posts
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Kurumi
Poland6130 Posts
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VisceraEyes
United States21170 Posts
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Vivax
22080 Posts
Gonna be satisfied for now, but I still think that vote + commentary by BM puts you into a bad spot. | ||
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BroodKingEXE
United States829 Posts
On July 04 2012 05:40 Kurumi wrote: I might or might not be dangerous. You know who the | ||
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Kurumi
Poland6130 Posts
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NoSmurfHere
New Zealand613 Posts
@VE there is nothing particularly scummy in the post of Vivax you quoted. Just calling something scummy doesn't make it so, and I'm pretty annoyed that you haven't yet learned your lesson. If you can learn to actually provide reasons for your reads then I might listen to you, but until then you're not really worthy of any serious attention. If you continue to do so I'll call for your lynch. The fact of the matter is that Vivax's activity patterns and his effort indicate that he's either a townie who is seeking to kill mafia but doesn't really know the proper things to look for (which is why he attacked marv, for example) or he's a really good scum who is pushing blame onto culpable townies. For now I lean toward the former because some of his posts (such as the one that missed the reason for your selfvote/unvote) simply indicate he is a townie who isn't reading thoroughly. Upon rereading, my stance on Katina hasn't changed. I am very sure she is scum. I am also still fairly sure Twelve is scum, and that Shiaopi is scum. I'll post cases later today but these three players are my strongest reads. I have to look at the posts a couple more times to see if I'm just paranoid or if there is a scum, but I really do think that one of the more active players (i.e. someone between ET, Acro, and VE) might be scum. I just can't figure out why I have that nagging feeling or who it is. | ||
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