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On July 05 2012 09:29 austinmcc wrote:Blech. Removing my vote from ET. If he gets replaced, I'm all for lynching whoever comes in. Sorry replacement guy! Still can't reconcile 12's earlier nonsense with scum. Maybe it's a great tactic to get pushed aside and not be considered for a lynch, but if that was the plan it's failed miserably. I assume people are gone and we can't get traction on another lynch, but I could vote ShiaoPi or Katina atm. ShiaoPi I mentioned before, it's an odd read mainly based on the fact that we haven't agreed on some of our reads this game. Katina got some pressure early this cycle. It was her birthday, so to some extent the lack of filter is explained by that. When she returned, she addressed the pressure by getting active for a moment. After the pressure died down on her though, look at some of the posts from later in the day: Show nested quote +On July 05 2012 03:54 Katina wrote:On July 05 2012 03:29 ghost_403 wrote:
I want to hear Katina's thoughts on Twelve. I don't think that Twelve is Mafia. From what I have seem from his filter he explains himself and his actions. He has been concise in explaining his actions. One thing I don't like though is he doesn't seem to be doing a lot of analysis. Show nested quote +On July 05 2012 04:10 Katina wrote:
(austinmcc note: this is addressing Vivax) I'm looking over his filter and seeing that he has a decent amount of posts. The contents of his posts seems like they are sincere. He gives his opinions and looks like he is putting effort into scum hunting. For now I would say town until I see something that erks me. Just some very bland reasoning. Broad statements that look like they give reads, but they're kind of...airy? 12 has concisely explained himself and his actions (I disagree with her here). Vivax has been sincere, posted a decent amount, given opinions, and seems to be putting effort into scum hunting. This just feels...off. Like they're the read equivalents of someone trying to convince you they can communicate with the dead by throwing out really broad statements and letting your mind fill in the blanks for them. Sorry Katina. While I appreciate your cookie, with ET out of the running for tonight my vote's going on you.
As for this post against me, I don't think any of these things are airy. I said that I think Twelve and Vivax are town. Neither of them have given a full analysis on someone. Which is troublesome but at the same time neither of them have been afraid to post their thoughts. You're basically saying my wording is off? That's hardly a reason for wanting to kill me. Furhtermore just because you disagree with me doesn't mean I'm Mafia. A lot of people have been doing that this game. Accusing someone who thinks they are Mafia or accusing someone who disagrees with them. If you think Twelve isn't concise and is Mafia then you need to prove me wrong because from his filter it is evidence to me that he is town.
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On July 05 2012 10:39 NoSmurfHere wrote:like, who knows why she stepped up contribution. It could be because she's scum and got scared into it, or because she's town and she legitimately has time now. However the content of her contributions is pretty useless. She wanted to lynch casualman and her thoughts on most of my reads were this: Show nested quote +On July 04 2012 12:08 Katina wrote:
Easy, I don't think Twelve, ShiaoPi, Adam/maju are scummy at the moment or at least not enough for me to push for them. Adam/maju haven't really posted much so I don't have enough of a read on them. I haven't paid enough attention to grush to get a good enough read. All those people I would like to see more from before making a confident decision on their alignment. If your going to make me pick one I would kill maju at this moment in time.
I was merely posting my thoughts since I said I would and I have been busy for a lot of this time and haven't been posting as much as I would like. I didn't clarify my reads on Maju/Adam but basically I lumped them together because they were two lurkers who I thought had opposite alignments. as for the first two I thought both were scum at the time. Ultimately she backed down from both ET and twelve. Understandable NOW in retrospect based on the vote switch, but honestly she didn't do any work in pushing her lynch nor did she do any work in stopping twelve'ET from being lynched. She only commented on them when she was forced to comment by other players. Pretty sure she's scum for this because as town she fights to get her lynch of choice. I recall in Emergency she tunneled Blazinghand for hours because she basically knew him to be scum. She did similar things in Liar Game with Palmar and in countless other games where I've seen her be ignored by townies yet be completely 100% correct. Here her reads are being ignored because they're bad, and she's not pushing them either. We all know she's really good as town but she's not displaying this.
It's because I actually have time now. Not because I'm scum and got scared into it. I didn't think ET and Twelve were Mafia to begin with. As I have said in my other posts I think they are town. There wasn't much I could do to stop Twelve or ET from being lynched. I have learned that once the town makes up there mind there is almost no way to convince them otherwise. I have defended Twelve, that was really all I could do. I didn't comment because I was forced to. I commented because my opinion was asked and I have nothing to hide so I gave it. Despite what other people think and whether they agree with me or not. I'm going to keep defending Twelve, and tomorrow either casualman or Mandolar should be lynched. I will also support a BKE lynch as I still think he is Mafia as well. If you remember from my pass games I do go after more than other person and change my target as the game progresses and I learn more.
So many people this game are just accusing others because they disagree or attacking their attackers. Most of the accusations aren't even related to any Mafia behavior. Derp, Derp! (I don't speak this language so I hope I didn't just call someone a nasty name, Sorry!) This whole game has basically been all based on Meta and not of what is actually going on but I'm sure we at least got two Mafia in casualman, Mandalor, and BKE if not all three.
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On July 05 2012 10:51 NoSmurfHere wrote:
yeah she's basically saying a whole bunch of stuff but then not advancing any opinions on anyone.
Since when have we known town Katina to have ignored 6 or 7 scummy players in the game? At the very least she will have acknowledged them or read them as scummy. She might be focused on one person but she isn't totally focused on that one person.
I remember in MTG she was sort of like this. She tunneled some townie endlessly for no reason even when everyone else considered that guy just to be playing somewhat badly. Her play is a bit different here (she asked me postgame how to improve and maybe that's why) but not particularly different.
If she steps up her game tomorrow then I'll gladly back off but her reads are too convenient for me to believe she is town.
How are they too convenient? I only saw one other person suspect Mandalor. People have ignored casualman since day one. The amount of pushing for BKE is meh. You want convenient how about the large number of people who want to kill Twelve and ET or me?
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On July 05 2012 01:29 Katina wrote:Show nested quote +On July 04 2012 18:19 Vivax wrote:
Lynch twelve or katina. I think Shiao has posted enough to be estimated better once the two of them flip.
Katina ignoring so many scummy players to suspect Adam is just ridiculous. I think I've found something to Adam's defense.
I'm not ignoring them, I just don't think that ET or Twelve is Mafia. I admit they are scummy in some way or another but it's not strong enough to lynch them just yet. Show nested quote +On July 04 2012 19:18 ShiaoPi wrote:
Dropping by before going out.
@NSH:
I'll explain my vote on hyaach again. I used the term "aggressive" on BM as in he is throwing around suspicions wildly with not much more than a hunch.
Now to hyaach's aggression, I was only asking him on his opinions/reads and he responds with a straight out "no, don't like you" and when other people also ask him he goes "why should I share a case?". It is just unfathomable to me why he does not want to share with town.
I also defended vivax since I know from experience that he might be an "easy" mislynch (did that already), so at least to me there is enough reason to defend him.
@Katina/Twelve:
Why do you want to lynch the useless troll? Won't give us anything besides flipping a coin on alignment.
Then we have on person narrowed down and can focus elsewhere. Even useless trolls can turn out to be Mafia. Show nested quote +On July 04 2012 22:09 Mandalor wrote:
I got my vote on either Katina or Twelve right now.
Katina pretty much just followed VE's thoughts on Day1, semi defended BM and now made a case of casualman who imo cannot be read and better be ignored for now.
Twelve. As MattChew pointed out earlier, he accused the two most popular lynch candidates without providing a basis for this. Just an hour after mK was modkilled and flipped green, he says how it was "a lurker lynch [he] really didn't agree with". How convenient to post that after the modkill and never mention mK before. I agree with VE's thoughts, yes. It was D1 and I had a town read on him and he's a good player. So of course I would be inclined to consider what he says and look at the person myself then come up with my conclusion. I semi defended BM because I wanted to see more from him. He's hard to read at first. I was expressing my thoughts in my recent post. I didn't know that posting on a lurker (along with several others that aren't lurkers was scummy....
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On July 05 2012 11:10 austinmcc wrote:Right. But then Show nested quote +On July 05 2012 01:41 Katina wrote:
austin gets a cookie for that point against ET. I'm curious to see if ET steps up and either posts his case or explains why he hasn't presented it yet. You had him town. Then I got a cookie, and it looked like you were going to be suspicious of ET if he didn't 'splain himself.
Yes, I suspicious of ET and waiting for him to come in and defend himself or post a read. I was giving him the benefit of the doubt since I have played with him a few times and knew how he acted. I wrote him off as town for now until I saw either his post or his defense. But when neither came and people switching their votes I was curious to the outcome. If I was truly convinced about him being Mafia I would switched my vote.
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On July 05 2012 11:13 NoSmurfHere wrote:
You had reads but didn't explain them.
If you don't explain why you have reads on the main candidates then you can't expect to actually contribute, right? Upon rereading your filter I've noticed that some of the things I've said are wrong. I don't think Mandalor is scum given that he was one of the only players Adam seriously attacked. It could have been an early distancing attempt but I find that a bit unlikely given that Adam gave some fairly strong reasoning for it.
I'll give you the benefit of the doubt for now. Why do you think ShiaoPi is town?
Didn't say I thought he was town, didn't say I thought he was Mafia either. I have a null read on him right now. I'll look at him again. There have been other people that I have been paying more attention too this game. Like casualman, notice how he showed up right after the lynch happened and graced us with another lovely post of his.
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On July 05 2012 20:03 Vivax wrote:
Ok, so twelve considered his life to be more valuable than that of somebody he believed to be town.
This is arguably not pro-town, but a lot of townies might have done the same in his spot.
Katina, can you post a list of your opinions regarding all players?
Needless to say I might use it against you, it really depends on what you write there.
You don't need to give long explanations, just guess the players' alignment.
Okay, here's that list.
I think these three people are Mafia:
BKE
causalman
Mandalor
I think these people are town:
VE
Twelve
Mattchew
NSH
Kurumi
People I'm leaning suspicous on:
Maju
Hyaach
grush
Everyone else is null.
On July 05 2012 23:12 ghost_403 wrote:
Hey Kat, what do you think about Maju?
As I just stated in the list above I find him suspicious. He doesn't really do anything. He tried to contribute day one so people wouldn't suspect him. Then he went inactive and once people started to notice he came back and started posting one liners.
On July 06 2012 02:03 MajuGarzett wrote:
Why do people suddenly want to kill me? How does thinking that my response to one question is insufficient supersede the last 2 days of discussion on 12, Katina, etc.
He seems to try and divert attention off himself. It's not to say his point isn't true but at the same time this is a pretty inactive player who is telling us to stop looking at him.
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I ignored you? Sorry if I did, I have a lot of stuff to respond to at once I might have accidently overlooked you. All the names on that list I have gave reasons for in my previous posts. So feel free to go back and look through my filter. There's a nice section on you in there.
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On July 06 2012 16:21 Hyaach wrote:
i want to lynch katina. the pickup in activity just seem to convienent. same as the reads his giving out. almost null people or just general disruption to town. his case are also weak and his not pushing for any. just post to slip by again is not good in my opinion.
What does that even mean? I don't know how picking up activity is too convienent and scummy. I clearly stated I was busy. When I picked up my activity was because I had free time on my hands to be active more. My cases aren't pushing for anyone? I think you should go back and read through my filter. I have been openly giving my opinions.
Since no one is going to vote for casualman or Mandalor. I would like to see BKE lynched today. I have stated my reasons for wanting to see him lynched and they have not changed.
##Vote BroodKingEXE
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Pretend that I made that bold
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What? O.o There's no way I could have flipped red when I was clearly sent a green role PM unless I'm blind.
That's stupid. Hyaach is lying.
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I just got back to the computer. It's still a weekday.
What else am I supposed to say? I have never been in this position before where someone claims a false red check on me. I'm not Mafia. I have been trying my best to give out reads, answer any questions, and defend myself the entire game to prove to everyone that I'm town. Then to have this bad claim come in and get me mislynched yet again. I had to have been framed. That's the only logical way I could have turned up a red check. Especially as mentioned I have been in the spotlight and there would be a high possibility I would be checked. So who else would be a perfect target to frame? I find it more likely that Hyaach is lying.
Also you have been determined that I'm Mafia this whole time because of some stupid meta thing you have going on me. That's pretty much it other than your fluffy accusations against me about how stepping up my activity and giving my reads are "too convienent" That's ridiculous. After your constant attacks and pushes for me the whole game who's to say you aren't the one that framed me? Tossing around suspicion of me the whole game and pushing me into the spotlight while you sit on your throne and sway the town with a wave of your hand. Then suddenly I get a red check on top of everything else. If anything that is what I would call convenient.
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Ooor I have been defending you because I don't think you are Mafia. I haven't had allies in any of the other games I have played in so what would make this game any different? I always give my opinions and I don't care who agrees with them or not. I thought you were town when everyone was against you. That's a risky thing to do as Mafia. I'm drawing a lot of attention to myself by doing that.
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On July 07 2012 10:35 Hyaach wrote:
why would i trade myself for you? if anything lynching scum today or mislynch townie would still tesult in 2 kp at night. if i were scum and bke was my scum buddy. i have zero reason to save his ass and pu him and i out to dry next day
Who cares as long as one of you survive you win.
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On July 07 2012 10:36 NoSmurfHere wrote:
Hahaha so in light of there being a claimed red check on katina I go from being a townread for Katina to being the person who framed her.
Hahahaha this is priceless.
You'd think that if I were sitting on a throne and waving town around I'd have gotten my choice of lynch (you or ShiaoPi) yesterday.
It was a suggestion, anything is possible in these games. You of all people should know that espcially being around as long as you have been. I'm glad you are getting all giggly like a little school girl. I love you too.
As for your choice of lynch you always get it eventually. If not the same or next day so don't try and be all modest. It doesn't help that the town does what it wants as well.
This is all you have to say to what I wrote?
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On July 07 2012 10:38 Hyaach wrote:
show me a case where you actively push it like your town meta. you have been giving convient reads and refuse to take a stanve until someone else does
BKE, casualman, Mandalor. Do you not read filters? By read I mean actually read what they contain and not just derp through them.
I don't refuse to take a stance until someone else does. I have gone out of my way to take a stance on a few people this game whether it's accusing them of being Mafia or defending them because I have a strong town read on them.
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On July 07 2012 10:52 Hyaach wrote:
u defend bm day one. added post after mkmk lyncht make it seem like you care. add on cases where the ebtire towns are divides in half. bke is my green check too. makes me suspect u even nore. cman is a troll and i dont know what to make of mandanlor and myself? lol.
I do care.. The town is just about always half divided. BKE is green on your supposed "check" So trolls can't be Mafia? I find it interesting that you would let a troll live over someone who is posting their reads and trying to help the town find Mafia. You don't know what to make of yourself? Interesting. I would imagine you would have some idea by now.
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On July 07 2012 10:52 NoSmurfHere wrote:
So katina, is Hyaach lying, or were you framed, or both?
Your story is kinda weird. If you were framed it doesn't necessarily mean Hyaach is lying. So if you claim to be framed why is your instant conclusion that Hyaach is a liar?
I don't see the town motivation behind immediately claiming Hyaach is a liar without looking at the facts first. I had to actually go back to the OP and see if there were millers (there aren't) and to see how framers worked. (which Wiggles just clarified)
So instead of looking over the facts, your instant conclusion is that Hyaach is lying. You say he has to be lying, without even considering for a moment the motivation behind the claim. What motivation would a scum Hyaach have to single YOU out, of all players? The only plausible explanation for that is you believe all three of BKE, Twelve, and Hyaach to be scum...which honestly, I find to be absurd, and you haven't pushed this notion anyway. Are you of that opinion?
Thinking about it rationally, the only reason a scum would fakeclaim DT in this position is to save both BKE and Twelve, but then they would draw so much attention to themselves when their target flipped town that it would be simpler to paint one of BKE/Twelve as town and bus the hell out of the other. In fact it would be far more effective, even.
Then the second part of your little tirade kicks in. If you got framed, why is it necessitated that Hyaach is lying? If you're of the opinion that you got framed then you should believe Hyaach's claim.
Instead it seems like you've just started panicking and now all you can do is sling mud at the situation to try and make it go away.
I don't know if I was framed or if Hyaach is lying. I have been looking over the facts this whole game. His motivation would be to go for someone in the spot light. With you on my back this whole game you gave him a nice target. As I have said numerous times I think BKE is Mafia and I'm not sure what to make of Hyaach anymore. Twelve I have a town read on. First reaction I had when I saw that red check was he had to be lying because I'm town. Then I read to see what roles could be in the game and noticed the Mafia could have a framer but since I think BKE is Mafia and apparently had a green check then it makes it hard for me to figure out which option it could be. If I had a town read on BKE this game then I would be more inclined to believe Hyaach's claim and conclude that I was framed.
Again as I said Mafia don't play by one particular style that would make the games too easy. It depends on the Mafia team as well some could have jubjubs who do odd things while others have experienced players who do odd things. I'm not slinging mud and trying to make it go away. I'm trying to defend myself from being mislynched this game. I'm not the target you should be trying to get lynched.
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On July 07 2012 11:01 NoSmurfHere wrote:Show nested quote +On July 07 2012 10:57 Katina wrote:On July 07 2012 10:52 Hyaach wrote:
u defend bm day one. added post after mkmk lyncht make it seem like you care. add on cases where the ebtire towns are divides in half. bke is my green check too. makes me suspect u even nore. cman is a troll and i dont know what to make of mandanlor and myself? lol. I do care.. The town is just about always half divided. BKE is green on your supposed "check" So trolls can't be Mafia? I find it interesting that you would let a troll live over someone who is posting their reads and trying to help the town find Mafia. You don't know what to make of yourself? Interesting. I would imagine you would have some idea by now. You never answered why you completely ignore grush the troll but not casualman the troll. What separates the trolls?
What seperates them is that grush has posts where he actually says something. While casualman goes in active for almost the whole game and pops in to insult people or say "let's lynch this guy!!" I admit I have overlooked grush and a few other people this game. There have been others I can get an actual read on and casualman is just too bad and getting ignored too much to be true.
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On July 07 2012 11:11 NoSmurfHere wrote:Show nested quote +On July 07 2012 11:08 Katina wrote:On July 07 2012 10:52 NoSmurfHere wrote:
So katina, is Hyaach lying, or were you framed, or both?
Your story is kinda weird. If you were framed it doesn't necessarily mean Hyaach is lying. So if you claim to be framed why is your instant conclusion that Hyaach is a liar?
I don't see the town motivation behind immediately claiming Hyaach is a liar without looking at the facts first. I had to actually go back to the OP and see if there were millers (there aren't) and to see how framers worked. (which Wiggles just clarified)
So instead of looking over the facts, your instant conclusion is that Hyaach is lying. You say he has to be lying, without even considering for a moment the motivation behind the claim. What motivation would a scum Hyaach have to single YOU out, of all players? The only plausible explanation for that is you believe all three of BKE, Twelve, and Hyaach to be scum...which honestly, I find to be absurd, and you haven't pushed this notion anyway. Are you of that opinion?
Thinking about it rationally, the only reason a scum would fakeclaim DT in this position is to save both BKE and Twelve, but then they would draw so much attention to themselves when their target flipped town that it would be simpler to paint one of BKE/Twelve as town and bus the hell out of the other. In fact it would be far more effective, even.
Then the second part of your little tirade kicks in. If you got framed, why is it necessitated that Hyaach is lying? If you're of the opinion that you got framed then you should believe Hyaach's claim.
Instead it seems like you've just started panicking and now all you can do is sling mud at the situation to try and make it go away. I don't know if I was framed or if Hyaach is lying. I have been looking over the facts this whole game. His motivation would be to go for someone in the spot light. With you on my back this whole game you gave him a nice target. As I have said numerous times I think BKE is Mafia and I'm not sure what to make of Hyaach anymore. Twelve I have a town read on. First reaction I had when I saw that red check was he had to be lying because I'm town. Then I read to see what roles could be in the game and noticed the Mafia could have a framer but since I think BKE is Mafia and apparently had a green check then it makes it hard for me to figure out which option it could be. If I had a town read on BKE this game then I would be more inclined to believe Hyaach's claim and conclude that I was framed. Again as I said Mafia don't play by one particular style that would make the games too easy. It depends on the Mafia team as well some could have jubjubs who do odd things while others have experienced players who do odd things. I'm not slinging mud and trying to make it go away. I'm trying to defend myself from being mislynched this game. I'm not the target you should be trying to get lynched. So with one vote on you and me backed off (because there was literally no chance I would get you lynched today) you consider yourself "in the spotlight?" In addition, if his motivation is to go after a townie in the spotlight (as scum) what happens when you flip town? He dies, right? What kind of shitty motivation for scum is that? He trades you, who have so far been pretty irrelevant in the matters for town, for himself. That's essentially like town losing four players all at once (when comparing team sizes) Why do you have a town read on Twelve? What makes him town? What makes BKE scum? If you're actually looking at the facts, why is it that you still haven't figured out which stance you want to take?
People have put me up for a lynch candidate for most of the game. Just recently did everyone begin to back off and this red check comes up. Then when I flip town Hyaach can claim I was framed and use that as his scapegoat while protecting BKE. The lynch on Twelve got switched last minute I wouldn't put it past the town to do it again. Twelve has been here and contributing, he has defended himself to the last minute and still continues to post after escaping a lynch. Where if he were scum I would imagine he would go off into lala land like BKE does. BKE disappears and comes back when people start getting suspicious of him and put him up for lynch or he makes small comments on other people's post to make it look like hes contributing when in reality he isn't. He makes bad defenses and basically sheeps along with what all the other people are doing and pushing me on the side.
I haven't figured out which stance to take because I think BKE is Mafia and I have been suspicious of Hyaach. If it turns out that Hyaach is telling the truth and I was framed then I will get down on my hands and knees and wash your feet in the most holiest of water.
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