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is kinda hard to get the pulse of the game after 10pages but i will do my best. I a vanilla btw | ||
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...Something i think is very basic, i will look at the last persons who voted for Heavonearth, seeing as Bussing at this stage of the game is ridiculous l guess at least tried to divert town's attention to someone else | ||
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They were trying to push a lynch on Crossfire, seeing as this wasnt working they decided a Bus from roflwaffles55 and austin will kept his target "just in case". We still have 6 more hours till night ends right? | ||
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to sciberbia and s0lstice, you guys being very good analyst and posters. i want you please read austincc's filter, be in his place, he is(should be) pretty confident about his posting skills, the avoiding of the Heaven issue, he kept his vote on crossfire and relys on his defense/persuassive skills. One of you two will die tonight i think | ||
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I guess they were afraid of you austin  | ||
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Seeing you have killed 2 mafia, we are in a ver confortable position, dont kill me because of me lurking. The last scum you killed was playing a very standard mafia (seeing as he was one of my reads whit me just reading 10 pages at once) we need to see if he left a connection to someone. i had mixed reads from the posts of austincc, he being killed is very weird, because (to me) solstice and sciberbia are much much better players (no offense austin) and they have posted a couple of analysis. So, give a couple days please and i will try to help town if you havent killed the last mafia when i comeback, but i trust you will get him | ||
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On June 17 2012 14:13 Crossfire99 wrote: - Unforgiven, what are your thought on all that has been happening? Mouldy didn't help out so much (hence being replaced), so I want some of your thoughts. Sorry, didnt see this, to be honest, i have no idea of was happening right now, my only help to town right now will be my vote. I will try really hard to long in tomorrow and vote for your best candidate. I cant read 10 pages now :S, it sucks to be a replacement | ||
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On June 18 2012 09:03 zelblade wrote: Warning to unforgiven_ve for failing to vote. sorry! just got home  | ||
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I promise i will read all of the thread tomorrow and have a answer for you. Like this days, i just got home . Sorry for not being of any use , for now i just cant tell you im not mafia, im just a vanilla townie. | ||
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i will read starting the last NK! | ||
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Second, i want to respond to the most "stronger" argument against me, mods not killing me, i just can say this, i dont have a real or graphic way to prove it, (i dont know if its agains the rules to say this) but im gonna do it anyway. After a couple pm's whit the main host about some other thing i asked him to put me in the replacement list, a couple days after a got a pm asking if i was ready to replace MJ, i say "zomg yes lolz" BUT...i didnt counted whit some RL complications, this made it harder to get the pulse of the game and find time to read-post, like i already said, if you check my last couple post you will see i made them around the same time (after 12-1am here)... I can see the mods not killing because i personally asked for a spot and because they dont want this to become another "bunch of modkill-replacements game" (like the last game, i, suki, austin, xatalos shaopi, solstice, sciberbia etc etc played) 3- In the past game i posted a list of recommentations of i think the game should be played, i see some of you are taking a lot of information from past games, this is what i said + Show Spoiler + Also, i have a reccomendation, please people, dont use PAST games as a guide, people change their way of play everytime, the last (and only) game i played, town got fucked (in part) thanks to this...i was mafia, lurking, bad town play and bad reads based on past games granted us the victory, only 1 mafia died thanks to a very lucky shot. 4.- Me claiming Vanilla Townie: from my pov, i wanted to make scumhunting easier for the town, when i realized i wouldnt have much time to post, i decided to come clear and say my roles, that way people had one less player role to worry about, i know "you are giulty till proven otherwise" but i gave it a shot, suki you have a different game whit different players/roles everytime, you cant play all the games the same way (read above) (whitout taking in account RL situations and free time to read/play) 5 .- Solstice case against me + Show Spoiler + On June 19 2012 03:59 s0Lstice wrote: Anyway, yea. Last scum is Unforgiven_ve I'll start with the point that Xatalos gave away Look at how reluctant the mods are to kill this player. No vote on D1 from Mouldy Jeb, he gets replaced. No vote on D2 from Unforgiven, he gets a warning. Is the last scum going to get mod-killed, resulting in a town win? Doubtful.Now let's look at Mouldy Jeb I'll start with another game he was in, where he was town. Here are some select posts. He explains his reads here, then takes a firm stance with a vote. Look at this game: His reasoning is pretty weak in both games, but it's far weaker in this game. The baseless suspicion of roflewaffles is very, very telling. Looks like newb scum trying to appear like he is pressuring his teammate. The most important thing, however, is no votes. It doesn't match, and it's scummy. Now, move to Unforgiven. He has been useless this game, except for a weak bus on roflwaffles, which gives him just a smidge of town credit. Maybe enough to keep him off the radar while he lurks with purpose. Look at how he dances around austin: This is just after he said his two main suspects were roflewaffles and austin. Now let's look at other games. NMM XV comes to mind. His filter is big, so I'll just highlight a few points. Again, just like MJ, the tone does not match. He is sure-footed and comes down hard on his reads. Here, not so much. I feel like this post is getting pretty big, so I won't pull quotes from NMM XIII, but go have a look. He was scum in that game, and he lurked with purpose. He bussed teammates as well. It looks A LOT like what's happening in this game. That leads me to my next point. This game, right now, feels a lot like XIII. The scum lurked, and town tore itself to pieces, destroying the people with content (who were all town) one by one. It's been a seemingly insurmountable task to find the last scum in this game, and we've already started the process of slowly cannibalizing ourselves. It seems insurmountable because we (I) cleared the last scum based on bussing arguments. A wise man (thanks Marv!) told me in coaching PM's that bussing is only illogical for scum if it causes a scumbuddy to be lynched. When HeavOnEarth and roflewaffles bussed MJ, was there seriously any chance that he was getting lynched that day? No. Emphatically no. Them bussing him was not illogical, it was smart. Look at the confusion it caused. I bet Greymist has been in that scum QT insisting that they not be afraid to call each other out, and he was right of course. I'll even add NK analysis for the cherry on top. Why are our strong town reads still alive? Because we have been completely, utterly, wrong since Day 2 began. Unforgiven was free to blue snipe as he pleased (austin could look blue, no? he is cautious like a blue), because the big talkers were all wrong. Also, remember how the night action was so late? It's because Unforgiven has been busy, like he said. It all makes sense! FINALLY!!!!! Please let's kill Unforgiven_ve on day 3 and be done with this game. I want to feel the sweet taste of victory. On June 19 2012 08:44 Miltonkram wrote: @ s0Lstice I was reading through the filters when I noticed your posts on Unforgiven. I was a little skeptical of the case, it seemed like you were reading way too far into host actions and such. The only thing I found scummy was HeavOnEarth's "bus" of MJ D1. Nevertheless your posts caused me to do a double-check of Unforgiven's filter. I'd like everyone to take a look at this post. What purpose is there in claiming VT? If a player is vanilla they should be happy to take a bullet for our blue roles. Claiming vanilla does nothing for town. What does it do? Firstly, it makes it less suspicious when Unforgiven isn't shot during a night cycle. Secondly, it keeps Unforgiven from committing completely to information. Any actions a VT takes have the built in defense, "but I didn't have complete information." This seems advantageous since roflwaffles was still in the game at that time. If roflwaffles was still alive after N1, he could back down from the weak pressure he posted here. There is absolutely no reason for VT to claim VT. Lynch this guy. , mods not killing me and past games way of play being his first motivations, i would mark it as already answered. Me "dancing" around austin, it was just a hunch, for me it seemed he was trying too hard this time, but that was enough because i just read his filter and all the thread once, rolf's play was pretty standard.6.- alan133 + Show Spoiler + Please respond to your accusations. If you are blue please claim your night actions, now. + Show Spoiler + His opening post randomly attacks one target 7.- Milton again+ Show Spoiler + On June 19 2012 17:56 Miltonkram wrote: Back from work. Unforgiven, is there any reason why you claimed vanilla? I'd like to open the question to everyone else as well. I'm not sure I'll get an answer from Unforgiven and I'd actually appreciate some sort of explanation if there is one. Is there any reason why a town player would claim vanilla? I honestly can't think of a good one. Between HeavOnEarth's awkward "bus" and Unforgiven's VT claim I think we have all the evidence we need. I feel pretty good about this. ##Vote: HeavOnEarth 8.- Suki again + Show Spoiler + On June 20 2012 01:48 suki wrote: following up with what sciberbia said, Xatalos' original quote did not mention the Obs QT. Therefore, I took it as Xatalos was implying that zelblade had slipped information in the main thread. I interpreted it this way, and I think s0lstice did too. This prompted s0lstice to take a much closer look at the mod text, which lead to his theory that because unforgiven had not been modkilled after missing his vote, there was some meta information that could be gathered from it. In the end, there wasn't really a slip, but I do think s0lstice's point that the moderator actions are a big hint at unforgiven's real role has a lot of merit. In addition, I'd like to point out that in Mafia XV, unforgiven never once claimed that he was vanilla town or even town, despite being a VT. In that game unforgiven got a lot of heat for his posting style (which was pretty anti-town and confusing), but he never tried to claim VT/town and use that as an excuse. | ||
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Now, if someone has any doubt/question i would gladly answer it. So...people...we can be sure of something, we have one last good/lucky mafia...i will just post my reasons for alan: town suki: town sciberbia: neutral crossfire: neutral Miltonkram mafia My reasons (this is all 100% filter based) First, His good samaritan side + Show Spoiler + It looks like he's a non-native English speaker. I can understand him having difficulty with the language, let alone conveying a tone that pressures other players. If that's the case I would like to hear more of what he has to say. He's shown a willingness to think deeply and consider all possible lines of play that I think may be valuable to the town. By no means am I clearing him of suspicion, but there is a certain townie logic to some of his actions now that I think more about it. I think we have several better lynch targets anyway. I'll outline who I will support for lynch in my next post. If you check his filter you see he has never been really pressured, being under the radar in general all the 3 days, he has fired some innocent question about "his reads" but never really putting pressure + Show Spoiler + roflwaffles55 I'm suspicious of this guy based on two of his posts. First one is a response to s0Lstice/sciberbia: Sure! When it comes to lynching lurkers I would agree in that it shouldn't be the focus, and would prefer to lynch someone acting scummy day 1. As to NL, I am firmly against it and if we can't get a clear majority on scummy-acting folks then we should at least lynch a lurker, especially on D1 and 2. Notice the eager to please tone of his post. I'm looking at it as a possible scumslip. His 2nd suspicious post: I agree that I may have been a bit too aggressive right off the bat, but I implore you to look at my arguments and his, and take more from it then just an overzealous attempt on my part. ##unvote alan133 There you go, I'm still suspicious, but I may have underestimated the significance of a vote. Notice how self-conscious he is in this post, especially in that last line. I realize that several players weren't interested in his case, but there is absolutely no harm in keeping pressure on a player until they give you a satisfactory defense. Essentially he backs down from his pressure based on a tiny reprimand from Crossfire. It seems like he's trying to keep himself out of the spotlight. @ roflwaffles Ok, I see what you're saying. I thought you were completely backing off of alan even though you've made a decent case against him. I still don't like the fact that you took your vote off of him based on a wrist-slap from Crossfire, but I guess I misunderstood your intent. Since you're still pursuing your case on alan the unvote seems less scummy. HeavOnEarth I was checking on the game at work + Show Spoiler + when I noticed this post and it struck me oddly. was sort of waiting for MJ to post something after he was like hurr durr ima post soon. i took a look at his previous game though and his posts seem consistent from when he was townie. hes really not helping at all, and definitely still looks scum, but it feels like poor town play rather than mafia. as for golden im still undecided since he hasnt posted anything what the fuck -_-. why sign up if ur not gonna fucking play but i guess i doubt hes mafia, i would've expected at least a simple reply to my accusations if he was mafia by now. but it seems he just doesnt give a fuck @_@ idk. kinda confused at this point This just seems like an excuse for a lack of activity. He explains that he's waiting on MJ even though there's plenty of other things going on in the thread. He's also frustrated by one lurker (Golden) even though he's played Mafia before and knows that lurking usually happens in every game. The confused tone is what really gets me. I feel like town would push through the confusion and post reads no matter what. His "confusion" looks like an excuse not to post to me. And after seeing Heaven is going to be lynched and its impossible to stop it he post this: + Show Spoiler + On June 15 2012 04:59 Miltonkram wrote: Oops, slept in a bit later than I'd planned. s0Lstice, I'm inclined to agree with you. HeavOnEarth looks like the best lynch candidate. Everybody, I'd suggest you take a look at him. His filter is not particularly long, but I think there is enough scummy behavior there to warrant a vote. ##Vote: HeavOnEarth On June 15 2012 05:48 Miltonkram wrote: @ Heaven There are a lot of people jumping on your case really quickly. Not gonna lie, it's making me a little nervous. Please post some sort of defense or at the very least what kind of reads you have on players whenever you have the time. When he sees rolf is going to be killed/lynched after the case against him, he tries to gain some credit posting this + Show Spoiler + On June 16 2012 07:33 Miltonkram wrote: Hey guys, just got caught up on the thread. Figured I'd throw in my two cents while I've got time. The case against roflwaffles is the closest I've seen to a slam dunk case in any of the games I've played in. There's not much I can add to it. Proceed to string him up with my blessing unless of course we have a vigi, then just shoot the poor bastard. Not much to add in suggestions for blue players either. Just breadcrumb your night actions so we can come back to them later. I'll have more analysis up shortly. Then he just goes whit the bandwagon and puts me as a sure mafia trying to gain one more day, expecting for a (almost sure) suki misslynch tomorrow, me + nk + suki would leave 3 town and 1 mafia, he just wants to gain some time and try to get another misslynch on golden/cross +NK =GG and after all this, his subconscious betrays him and post this On June 19 2012 18:48 Miltonkram wrote: Wow. I can't believe I did that. Work was pretty brutal tonight and I'm extremely tired. I meant to vote Unforgiven. My bad ##Vote: HeavOnEarth ##Unvote: Dead guy ##Vote: Unforgiven_ve Yeah, gg. I will try and check in tomorrow. sciberbia, suki and alan, please read milton filter's and put yourself in his position, read his posts, analyze his neutral play, under the radar in all the game | ||
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On June 20 2012 07:49 Miltonkram wrote: @ Unforgiven Quick clarification, are you referring to mafia play here or just newbie play in general? Newbie games my scummy friend | ||
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None of his arguments do much to convince me. He doesn't give any great reasoning for the mod-warning How can i give reasoning about something that not depens on me? Its op's choice to warn me or replace me or kill me, its ridiculous if someones expect a good reason of something i have no control on.I'd be interested to hear what you find suspicious about me You are overeager to show your "scum hunting" skills, you are trying to take (and have succeded so far) town leadership, you remember me of the guys who won the last game i played, people fell for it, people didnt want to REALLY analyze the way he was playing. Being closed minded doesnt help too, fyi. If bussing is really that ridiculous, then everybody should look town to him except suki. The read i get from suki its a stardad newbie trying to be helpful, for some people (like me) its hard to make nice post whit colours and cute format, you need to just read and remember that thing you or alan posted here "sometimes the simple solution its the solution", dont expect posts from the people to "impress you", its a ridiculous and not helpful thing to do. He/she was trying to help and he/she got it wrong, its a newbie game, expect this A LOT of times. I've been there a few times already.What I'd expect from a townie unforgiven -- If he announces that he's going to lurk, he'll lurk regardless of whether or not he is accused -- He'd make some good reads and sound confident about them Kinda hard to make good and "confident" reads and lurk at the same time dont you think? Im pretty sure Milton is mafia, if for some reason he flips green, i will tip my hat to when you/cross flip red. -- If he does pop back into the thread, he'll scold people for being dumb and not provide a lot of reasoning Uh? i guess you are basing this on the last game...i quote "its so easy to change your style of play" and again, different situations i had a lot fo time to burn those days, cant do it now, open your mind, dont close your options basing it in one past game, you can do it (maybe) after a bunch of games you start to recognize the player different strategys _______________________________________________________ What I'd expect from a mafia unforgiven -- Decides to lurk, but then defends himself when accused -- Make some less than persuasive arguments because his heart isn't really in it. He knows he is wrong. So, if i lurk and give a easy lynch for mafia im town, if i try to defend myself i should get lynched because of it? If you check my post im not really trying to be perssuasive, im trying to you people got and read and put yourself in Milton's position Theres 2 option for the last mafia to do: 1.- Always be under the radar and try to not gain any enemies and always look like you are in the same sintony as town and 2.- Be aggresive, take town leadership, point fingers to people who cant convince the town (for different reasons, posting, lurking, difficulty to express ideas) Thats why you and cross are labeled as "neutral". | ||
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@Unforgiven_ve You forgot to mention Golden. Your case @ Miltonkram also fits him. However, he acts the same in another game i checked, except for the hostile response part. Yes, i was aware of this, Golden's filter i very similar to miltons but (to me at least) he really put some pressure on Heaven, read his case against him. Now, please, if i get lynched and alan gets killed at night, kill sciberbia then milton in that order + Show Spoiler + The agressiveness coming from sciberbia and his "stubbornness" SCREAMS desperate mafia, i bet you he will go for suki then, now that suki's case is fogotten it will be his card up his slevee, Because its obvious a sciberbia lynch today its impossible | ||
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Milton and sciberbia...if town wants to win kill those two. i'd bet my account naming rights on this, any takers? | ||
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On June 21 2012 01:49 Crossfire99 wrote: Oh, also if unforgiven flips green, I'm going to guess that either milton or golden are mafia, but i have both of them as pretty much town right now...unforgiven better flip red. lol Yes, because BEFORE reading your case he was my main suspect, you backed from your case pretty easily, you are falling for his good redaction ans posting skills. After readin some more, Milton jumped to be my main suspect...I confess my faith was on you cross =( ... and i even thought suki would have some brain and see beyond the lines and lame excuses from milton and sciberbia, alan is just a sheep now, got a lucky shot. Golden, well...he is afk and its not helpful, but he is town. | ||
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Now, when i die, We will need golden to afford a mislynch: me dead + NK+ Show Spoiler + (most probanly alan but it can change after mafia read this and choose a random target hoping to get a suki misslynch tomorrow) 1mislynch tomorrow + NK = 1town and1 mafia gg I confess i had some faith on you cross ... suki just cant see beyond the lines and is in love whit cute posts and lame analysis... and alan is just a sheep, he just got lucky whit that shot + Show Spoiler +is this the kind of post you were expecting siberbia? My last attempt will be this, going against my own belives and seeing you are blindly reading and using past games, i will show you what a mafia posted in NMM XV On May 31 2012 17:31 Xatalos wrote: blah - As things stand, I'm ready to go for a Unforgiven_ve lynch. However, I want to see your response first, Unforgiven_ve. You better impress with your next post or your filter looks really bad already. On May 31 2012 23:43 Xatalos wrote: blah Finally you posted something, but it's not what I was hoping for from a town Unforgiven_ve. More like what I expected from a Mafia Unforgiven_ve. This response convinced me. It's time to get the ball rolling. AHEM On June 20 2012 11:41 sciberbia wrote: Unforgiven's response didn't do anything for me. I'm not surprised, because my primary points of accusation are points that you cannot easily explain away. He has a lot of text, but doesn't say many things of substance. To summarize his post: On June 20 2012 14:48 sciberbia wrote: I was really unimpressed by Unforgiven's case on miltonkram. Here are my thoughts: bleh- | ||
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and i see i posted the same thing in the beggining , so you can be sure | ||
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in 6 days lolz+ Show Spoiler + bunch of noobs | ||
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Thing to do. You are sure of your vote or either you are not, saying that just shows you are weak Minded and just jumped in the easiest bandwagon, what about making some analysis before I'm dead? | ||
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Thing to do. You are sure of your vote or either you are not, saying that just shows you are weak Minded and just jumped in the easiest bandwagon, what about making some analysis before I'm dead? | ||
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Sciberbia, you so mafia its just ridiculous. Tell me, who will be your next lynch target after I die?? | ||
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Lol, gg newbs. REMEMBER THE MAINE! | ||
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Lol, gg newbs. REMEMBER THE MAINE! | ||
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It wasnt a deserved victory, it wasnt a “amazing play“ by milton, town deserve to win. We lost not because of mafia play, but because of overeagger townies triying to be superdetectives And not seeing the simplest clues, by this time some of you should have a better understanding of The game and how some people play it. You are so full of “indepth“ analisys bullshit that you want to belive for catching a mafia you need a columbus, That players should make extra long and colorful post talking about hypotethic and useless scenarios, and spend a gazillion hours playing to belive them. You talk A LOT about wifom situations and you dont really have any idea how to do it, the rules says you have to play to win, sometimes that means you should consider another situations besides the ones you see. Keep it simple, you arent playing whit masters of disguise in here. Dont try to lead if you dont know how to do it, people will blindly follow You if you have the littlest iniciative, so please, use this carefully, in game and real life. All in all, GG, it really was a fun game whit a unexpected end. | ||
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On June 27 2012 22:16 suki wrote: - I think if I had been lynched in place of unforgiven or golden, sciberbia would have led the way to a town victory. I also had a look at my Day 1 while going over the final cases, and even though I hadn't meant to, I have to admit I did look pretty scummy. So s0lstice and sciberbia and Crossfire, if you're feeling bad, don't feel bad. I should have played Day 1 better. No, he never was in the right track, he was closed in his own analysis and didnt wanted to see other scenarios, he was the main reason for town lost. alan just got to spersayian level on my ranking list because of admitting the mistakes he did, now he will be very aware of this. sciberbia is just good to write long analysis (same as solstice) when their reads are wrong that townie will get lynched no matter what, because people will buy this style of posting as "yep he's right" whitout really doing some analysis for themselves. 3 games i've played, 3 games that has happened the exact same thing. People would follow the best poster discarding their analysis, gut feeling, because they think it wouldnt be enough to convince this players. | ||
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