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strongandbig
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States4858 Posts
June 24 2012 00:33 GMT
#1694
Vanilla Townie
"It's the torso" "only more so!"
strongandbig
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States4858 Posts
June 24 2012 01:07 GMT
#1696
Obviously if I'm accusing you of playing like a third party it means I still think you're lying about not reading your role PM.

Seriously if that's true you should be banned for a game or two.
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strongandbig
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States4858 Posts
June 24 2012 02:24 GMT
#1697
oh shit i missed my 1k post

drazeeeeerrrrk! stop making me angryyy!
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strongandbig
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States4858 Posts
June 24 2012 16:27 GMT
#1722
Okay so I was thinking there is actually a minuscule but nonzero chance they are both telling the truth, if Hyaach is a miller or xkcd is a random detective. In that case we should lynch xskc first because then Hyaach can RB ghost again for hopefully another kill-less night and we can still have town win even with two mislynches.

##vote: xkasdf
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strongandbig
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States4858 Posts
June 24 2012 17:43 GMT
#1725
On June 25 2012 02:38 ghost_403 wrote:
Acro put together a pretty good case on xderp. And I agree on it, but I think it misses out on the most scummy thing that xegad has done (namely because he hadn't done it at that point).

If you are a DT with a red check, and people want to lynch you, why wouldn't you be pushing your red check?

He lied about his claim. There's no way a town DT would act the way he has in this situation.

##vote xfrac


I don't agree - if he's scum he would also be pushing the fake red check. A town dt would know that by dying he can push his read with 100% effectiveness.

That said we should still kill xsfhqwgads because of what I said above.
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strongandbig
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States4858 Posts
June 24 2012 18:15 GMT
#1731
Drazerk isn't ruled out. Hosts refuse to confirm that he couldn't be vanilla townie.

Here's something interesting though - all the claimed and revealed town or third party roles come from previous games on TL mafia except for Sherlock Holmes and Marceline the Vampire Queen.
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strongandbig
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States4858 Posts
June 24 2012 18:18 GMT
#1733
Scum may or may not have been given fakeclaims, but I've actually seen scum make impossible fakeclaims web when they were given actual safeclaims (ie in space station mafia.)
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strongandbig
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States4858 Posts
June 24 2012 18:18 GMT
#1734
Not as the same roles. Professor badass was a hydra name I think, and yugioh was that weird joat thing. Just the role names.
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strongandbig
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States4858 Posts
June 24 2012 18:38 GMT
#1741
Lol, if he hadn't already claimed DT he could claim he derpzerked it through the whole game lol

Alternatively maybe scum hasn't recruited the traitor yet so he doesn't know if the game is going to end when he dies.
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strongandbig
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States4858 Posts
June 24 2012 19:18 GMT
#1743
... You mean what if Hiro's role PM lied to him?

We have the same win conditions as each other... it's confirmed in our role PM.

We are mod confirmed survivor to one another, if one of us is neutral then the other one is also.
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strongandbig
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States4858 Posts
June 24 2012 19:23 GMT
#1744
You also seem pretty sure that the game will continue after we kill off Maju's scumbuddy.
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strongandbig
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States4858 Posts
June 24 2012 23:04 GMT
#1750
you know what would be funny? A scenario in which a townie fakeclaims scum to get the third party players to vote for their scumread.

DOOO IIIITTT
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strongandbig
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States4858 Posts
June 25 2012 11:17 GMT
#1766
... That's exactly why I think there's some other mechanic to keep us from winning.

Specifically, why I think that Drazerk is another third party out to get us.
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strongandbig
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States4858 Posts
June 25 2012 11:31 GMT
#1768
Acro, you are making the exact same mistake you did in holy roman mafia. You're relying too much on your idea of who is "confirmed town" and not enough on actual analysis and playing the game.

There is a very good chance to take the only scum KP out of the picture completely. If you kill me off you are not only potentially fucking over me and hiro, if Drazerk or someone else does have a hidden KP, but you're also potentially sacrificing a townie. If xskc or Hyaach are scum, which is almost certainly the case, then they have no reason to hold their KP any more, since we will clearly be lynching both of them before ghost.

You are also opening the door to scenarios in which town loses a winnable game. If there is a recruited traitor in your town team then you lynch me, and there's a NK, then it becomes 4-2-2. At that point ghost and hiro no longer have any reason to vote with town, since you have shown that you don't give a fuck about our interests even though we've been playing allied with you the whole game. Town loses right then.

If it turns out the scum is in your "confirmed" posse, then if you lynch me, xs, and Hyaach you lose, assuming there are nks after each lynch.

Tldr
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strongandbig
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States4858 Posts
June 25 2012 11:32 GMT
#1769
Acro, you are making the exact same mistake you did in holy roman mafia. You're relying too much on your idea of who is "confirmed town" and not enough on actual analysis and playing the game.

There is a very good chance to take the only scum KP out of the picture completely. If you kill me off you are not only potentially fucking over me and hiro, if Drazerk or someone else does have a hidden KP, but you're also potentially sacrificing a townie. If xskc or Hyaach are scum, which is almost certainly the case, then they have no reason to hold their KP any more, since we will clearly be lynching both of them before ghost.

You are also opening the door to scenarios in which town loses a winnable game. If there is a recruited traitor in your town team then you lynch me, and there's a NK, then it becomes 4-2-2. At that point ghost and hiro no longer have any reason to vote with town, since you have shown that you don't give a fuck about our interests even though we've been playing allied with you the whole game. Town loses right then.

If it turns out the scum is in your "confirmed" posse, then if you lynch me, xs, and Hyaach you lose, assuming there are nks after each lynch.

Tldr, you're making the same dipshit mistake you did in holy roman mafia, by using mechanics instead of scumhunting and by not killing the obvious scum staring you in the face. Don't do it again.
"It's the torso" "only more so!"
strongandbig
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States4858 Posts
June 25 2012 11:34 GMT
#1770
@drazerk I think you only have a single KP and will use it against hiro as soon as I'm dead.
"It's the torso" "only more so!"
strongandbig
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States4858 Posts
June 25 2012 11:37 GMT
#1772
It also doesn't have to be you, it could be acro or ghost. I just think its you because you haven't been playing pro-town.
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strongandbig
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States4858 Posts
June 25 2012 11:51 GMT
#1774
... Not if town loses. Do you have any response to my traitor point?

Also are you claiming here?
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strongandbig
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States4858 Posts
June 25 2012 12:36 GMT
#1777
My fear of dying is because I'm playing to my freaking win condition.
Which is for me or hiro to stay alive.
How is this hard to understand?
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strongandbig
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States4858 Posts
June 25 2012 13:00 GMT
#1779
I'm worried there is some weird role that wants to kill third parties, or that Drazerk would kill me out of spite if given the chance.

Town doesn't lose the game at 1v1v3 if two of the three vote with the townie.

Here's my scenario for a traitor. You lynch xks or Hyaach now and they flip scum but the game doesn't end. There is a night kill, so you know that someone other than me and hiro is scum. It's 4v1v3 and you have two chances to find the traitor.

Alternatively if xks is town but Hyaach is scum, then after you kill him it's LYLO and you have to find the traitor.

In either of these situations killing me first takes away a crucial day and straight up makes you lose if Hyaach is scum and not xks.

You're also mis representing what I'm saying a lot of the time. If xks and Hyaach are both town then it's because Hyaach is a miller. If that's the case then you're at LYLO again after you kill them both, and have one more chance to find the scum.
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