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zelblade
Profile Joined December 2011
Australia901 Posts
June 02 2012 01:03 GMT
#16
/in

I will not be modkilled.

Currently in 2 games but both look like they are ending soon (PYP and MTG). Is that fine?
zelblade
Profile Joined December 2011
Australia901 Posts
June 02 2012 01:22 GMT
#18
On June 02 2012 10:21 VisceraEyes wrote:
Also I left my Tunnel-Goggles at home today, so hopefully I can actually get something DONE this game. Fucks sake.


Well bugs wont be playing so you should be fine ^^
zelblade
Profile Joined December 2011
Australia901 Posts
June 05 2012 03:02 GMT
#89
Claiming miller when self-aware is definately something that should be done no? Furekip, how does it hurt town for us to know that he is a miller and not waste any DT checks we might have on him? Do you really think that scum is going to risk a possible counterclaim claiming miller at the very first post like that? (I am not really certain how this setup generator works but I dont think that there can be 2 millers?)

Naturally this doesnt mean that VE is clear from any suspision - Its still a possible play for mafia.

And lynching based on "scumslips" alone is generally not a good idea as artansis pointed out. More often than not these "scumslips" are made by townies. Trust me when I say I know this because I "slipped" (as a VT) by saying "to town" in my first game.

zelblade
Profile Joined December 2011
Australia901 Posts
June 05 2012 03:08 GMT
#90
On June 05 2012 11:15 Hyaach wrote:
I would let VE live for a day unless something really scummy comes out from his play.

it takes huge balls on claim this early, be it fake/real and its not a fool proof plan imo mafia or town.


Besides, from his claim, i would put all his analysis on a magnifying glass to be dismembered and examined piece by piece.


Why would it take "huge balls" to claim if he is town?

Why would you let him live for only "a day"?

Why would you put his analysis specifically to be dismembered and examined just because his is immune to checks? Does this mean you think this claim is suspicious?
zelblade
Profile Joined December 2011
Australia901 Posts
June 05 2012 06:54 GMT
#96
How does claiming miller paint a targert on his head if hes town when its an anti-town role.

And you didnt answer this: Why did you state that you are going to let him leave for only "a day?"
zelblade
Profile Joined December 2011
Australia901 Posts
June 05 2012 07:46 GMT
#98
Eh wait what did you mean by "paint a targert on his head"

It generally means a targert for scum to shoot (thats what I thought you said) but did you mean a targert to be lynched instead?
zelblade
Profile Joined December 2011
Australia901 Posts
June 05 2012 14:40 GMT
#107
On June 05 2012 23:11 ghost_403 wrote:
@artanis: That's just not true; VE always dies in the first 72 hours of the game. No way he'll get checked.

As far as Furer, there was a post or two of his that looked scummy rather than newbie town. I'll go back and find them in a bit.


Well you apparently havent been reading someone's recent games.

zelblade
Profile Joined December 2011
Australia901 Posts
June 06 2012 13:21 GMT
#241
Apologies for the splotchy activity have been a little busy of late.

Either way I would be perfectly fine with a Pandain lynch. The blueslip feels exteremely fake to me. Slipping like that is akin to making a major scumslip... and one is more likely than not going to be more careful about leaking their role no? As pointed out, the random vig claim as well as the random mason discussion managed to severly derail the thread which reeks of scum. A couple more points is that he tries to dump suspision on me through a vauge statement.

+ Show Spoiler +

I'm also very suspicious of Zellblade, as he's hardly posted at all. In fact, hilariously enough, he's just asked interogative questions. Which I find hilarious and will do one day.


Call it OMGUS if you will, but the combanation of his mispelling my name and calling me bad hurts my feelings =(

So why are interogative questions suspicious? I found hyaach's post to be a little.... wierd so I questioned it. Why do you even bring me up if you dont intend to lynch me today? (Assuming this since he wants to lynch BH + he isnt even bothering to make a serious case) Town doesnt bring up every little suspision they have and put it out in the open, and this side comment looks alot like mafia attempting to derail the discussion onto me. Note that this is when pressure starts going onto him.

##vote: pandain
zelblade
Profile Joined December 2011
Australia901 Posts
June 06 2012 13:22 GMT
#242
On June 06 2012 22:12 Shraft wrote:
Hyaach, zelblade and furerkip should really start posting again. They haven't said anything for almost a day.


Had something on today.

I do find it wierd though that furekip is suddenly exteremly quiet after posting a ton regarding VE's claim near the start of the game. Might be IRL issues though.
zelblade
Profile Joined December 2011
Australia901 Posts
June 06 2012 13:49 GMT
#250
On June 06 2012 22:40 ghost_403 wrote:
The post that I had originally thought was most scummy from Furer was this one. I don't like the fact that he says he's going to back off on VE since no one is jumping on his bandwagon. However, upon further reflection, I think he did exactly what I would have done in the situation: state that he still thought VE was scummy and move on to doing something else. I don't think that he's nearly as scummy after giving it further thought.

This post still bothers me a little:
Show nested quote +
On June 05 2012 07:38 furerkip wrote:
If you are wondering where I got 4 from, it's from the maximum amount of mafia as you can see on the 1st page.

I've checked the first page, and it doesn't say how many scum are in the game. It could be an extrapolation, or it could be a scumslip. If he does flip scum, I would assume that there are either four scum total, or, more likely, three scum and a serial killer.

I still don't like his stances on mislynches outside of LYLO, but that could be easily attributed to him learning to play outside of TL.

tl;dr: I was wrong, and my read on him has gone from scum to null.


Wait what?

I took his word for it and didnt check the OP -_-

I dont think that him claiming that there was 4 scum is scummy since its a somewhat plausible assumption and may be the norm where he plays, but him lying about it being in the op is just...
zelblade
Profile Joined December 2011
Australia901 Posts
June 06 2012 13:52 GMT
#251
I am actually willing to lynch furekip based on that alone. As said, there is no townie reasoning possible to lie about something like that. Sure scumslips are usually made by townies but I dont think that they would lie about their reasoning like this. The only problem with this is that it is so dumb as mafia too -_-

So furekip why did you lie about it?
zelblade
Profile Joined December 2011
Australia901 Posts
June 07 2012 07:42 GMT
#324
Why fake a blue slip that looked so fake when vt...?

I'm on a bus home right now, will post more in a bit
zelblade
Profile Joined December 2011
Australia901 Posts
June 07 2012 08:48 GMT
#326
+ Show Spoiler +
On June 07 2012 09:40 Shraft wrote:
I'm not that suspicious of Navillus anymore. All of my problems with him came from one post that I thought was loaded with scumminess, but I haven't been able to notice anything scummy about his subsequent posts. I've made the mistake of tunneling a player based off of one really scummy post before, and I am not going to do it again. Additionally, we now know that Pandain had a town read on him.

I've got this gut feeling that at least part of the Mafia is lurking. They might have one active veteran player in VE/BH but I think that at least one (likely two) of them are skating by without posting much.
My proposed lynch target for Day 2 is zelblade.
My first issue with him are these questions:
+ Show Spoiler +
On June 05 2012 12:08 zelblade wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 05 2012 11:15 Hyaach wrote:
I would let VE live for a day unless something really scummy comes out from his play.

it takes huge balls on claim this early, be it fake/real and its not a fool proof plan imo mafia or town.


Besides, from his claim, i would put all his analysis on a magnifying glass to be dismembered and examined piece by piece.


Why would it take "huge balls" to claim if he is town?

Why would you let him live for only "a day"?

Why would you put his analysis specifically to be dismembered and examined just because his is immune to checks? Does this mean you think this claim is suspicious?


On June 05 2012 15:54 zelblade wrote:
How does claiming miller paint a targert on his head if hes town when its an anti-town role.

And you didnt answer this: Why did you state that you are going to let him leave for only "a day?"

On June 05 2012 16:46 zelblade wrote:
Eh wait what did you mean by "paint a targert on his head"

It generally means a targert for scum to shoot (thats what I thought you said) but did you mean a targert to be lynched instead?

They make him appear pro town, when in reality he doesn't really have to anything at all. They make it seem like he's contributing to the town even though he's not. I wouldn't have as much of an issue with them if it weren't for his lack of contributions to the town. (VE also poses a lot of questions, but he also brings new information to the table, makes his own cases, etc.)
After this he returns after about 24 hours just to jump on the Pandain lynch with this post:
On June 06 2012 22:21 zelblade wrote:
Apologies for the splotchy activity have been a little busy of late.

Either way I would be perfectly fine with a Pandain lynch. The blueslip feels exteremely fake to me. Slipping like that is akin to making a major scumslip... and one is more likely than not going to be more careful about leaking their role no? As pointed out, the random vig claim as well as the random mason discussion managed to severly derail the thread which reeks of scum. A couple more points is that he tries to dump suspision on me through a vauge statement. [1]

+ Show Spoiler +

I'm also very suspicious of Zellblade, as he's hardly posted at all. In fact, hilariously enough, he's just asked interogative questions. Which I find hilarious and will do one day.


Call it OMGUS if you will, but the combanation of his mispelling my name and calling me bad hurts my feelings =(

So why are interogative questions suspicious? I found hyaach's post to be a little.... wierd so I questioned it. Why do you even bring me up if you dont intend to lynch me today? (Assuming this since he wants to lynch BH + he isnt even bothering to make a serious case) Town doesnt bring up every little suspision they have and put it out in the open, and this side comment looks alot like mafia attempting to derail the discussion onto me. Note that this is when pressure starts going onto him. [2]

##vote: pandain

  1. The part about the blue slip being akin to a major scum slip and the claim feeling fake is mostly insipid bullshit, and the part about him derailing the thread had already been taken up several times.
  2. This feels really much like scum trying to find scumminess in people they know are town. I mean "Why do you even bring me up if you dont intend to lynch me today?". Come on. His remark about "town not sharing their every suspicion" is also bullshit. I've seen players who like to share all their suspicions, and I've seen other people who make out plans to catch scum, not sharing any reads until they believe that they have fool-proof case on their target. Besides, even if your statement was true, that was not what Pandain was doing. He was not "sharing all his suspicions", he was merely stating that he found you suspicious. It doesn't really seem like at attempt at derailing the thread either. If he wanted to shift the attention towards something else, I believe he could've come up with something that works better than just "I find X suspicious".

Keep in mind that this is the only lenghty (it's lenghty compared to his other posts) post that zelblade has written, it contains only bullshit, and he does not take a firm stance on anything. He is just "fine with the Pandain lynch". His two most recent post about furerkip's scum slip (which furerkip has yet to explain, by the way) brings no new information either.

Basically what I'm saying is that if zelblade doesn't do some quality posting during Day 2, we should lynch the fuck out of him.


I dont see how me saying that the blueslip seemed fake is bullshit, when it seemed so forced. I cannot wrap my head around someone "slipping" like that, and thus thought it was fake, and thus thought he was fakeclaiming scum since doing that as town makes no sense.

Basically I agreed with the pandain case and thought that he was most likely to flip scum on a couple of points, and I mention them in passing. So just because I dont bring up any new points means im scum? Really? As town I usually sheep cases that I find are good/likely to hit scum, might I ask, how is this suspicious to you?

Also, "im fine with a pandain lynch" = I want to lynch pandain, I think hes scum and he needs to hang. Are you really going to nitpick over a small thing like phrasing? Me voting him means me making a stance on the issue. What does "firm" stance even mean? I guess its fine to accuse me if I try to shrink away from responsibility after the lynch, but am I doing that?

zelblade
Profile Joined December 2011
Australia901 Posts
June 07 2012 08:50 GMT
#327
Also I want to lynch furekip if he doesnt give a good explanation for lying about the mafia team numbers thing.
zelblade
Profile Joined December 2011
Australia901 Posts
June 07 2012 09:36 GMT
#329
I think its fairly obvious why fakeclaiming vig as a vt d1 isnt exactly the smartest thing.

As stated I was busy with stuff. Will have more time so dont worry about it.

It does equal it -_-
Even if you dont think it does the fact that I voted him along with the post should say something no?
zelblade
Profile Joined December 2011
Australia901 Posts
June 07 2012 23:46 GMT
#381
Does rb stop mafia's night kill?

Since bh didn't get a rb notification (I am assuming this since he was speculating on a town jk), We either have a medic who doesn't know what he is doing, an offensive jail from a jk which might have led to the no kill (assuming hats how it works) or bh is lying about his claim. I don't think that the claim is fake, nor do I think that we have a dumb medic, so

##vote:furekip

Either way bh do you have your bullet or is it gone?
zelblade
Profile Joined December 2011
Australia901 Posts
June 07 2012 23:54 GMT
#383
Would you have gotten a notification if furekip got jk'd instead? I assume no? Why did you speculate furekip the one being jailed in that case -_-

zelblade
Profile Joined December 2011
Australia901 Posts
June 08 2012 00:00 GMT
#385
Well that doesn't say much about furekip's alignment.

But he still needs to answer some shit
zelblade
Profile Joined December 2011
Australia901 Posts
June 08 2012 01:02 GMT
#390
does a vig who gets rb'd lose his bullet?

Because I highly doubt so since that isn't the norm
zelblade
Profile Joined December 2011
Australia901 Posts
June 08 2012 01:09 GMT
#392
Oh missed that, thought it was similar to pyp.
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