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VisceraEyes (1)
furerkip
Blazinghand (4)
Katina
Snarfs
VisceraEyes
ghost_403
ghost_403 (1)
MrZentor
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HiroPro
United States2624 Posts
VisceraEyes (1) furerkip Blazinghand (4) Katina Snarfs VisceraEyes ghost_403 ghost_403 (1) MrZentor The day ends in 24 hours at 22:00 GMT (+00:00). With 13 players alive, it takes 7 to lynch. | ||
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VisceraEyes
United States21170 Posts
What do you think about Zentor Katina? Like Pandain, I'm having problems with how he's posting and I think I'd like your opinion as well. | ||
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Katina
United States454 Posts
In BH's normal posting he is trying to figure out who mafia is. He is just very aggressive about it. | ||
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VisceraEyes
United States21170 Posts
##Unvote: ghost_403 ##Vote: Blazinghand | ||
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VisceraEyes
United States21170 Posts
Blazinghand, ghost_403, MrZentor BH for his change in style and his lack of scumhunting, ghost and Zentor because their tones seem indicative of wishy-washy scum. I'd like to hear more from furerkip, considering he's still voting for me and hasn't done any scumhunting outside of basically just calling me a liar for no reason, but I think he's more likely town than the people I just listed. | ||
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MrZentor
United States1648 Posts
On June 05 2012 22:31 ghost_403 wrote: I buy VE's claim. His play doesn't make that much sense from a scum perspective. By claiming miller so early, you put yourself under a lot of scrutiny, and for what? So that the eventual DT check, which might not even be here (can someone point me to the role counts?) is void? Too much pressure for too little reward at this stage in the game. Of course, I've misread VE in something like 110% of the games I've played with him. Furerkips posting has been remarkably anti-town up to this point. I still haven't decided what to make of that quite yet. Shraft points out that this could just be him acclimating to TLMafia environment, so I'll give him a bit more time before I start pushing for his lynch. I appreciate VE pressuring Katina to chime in, but I think we all know that she will contribute on her own schedule. I'm not going to lynch her for that. I'm want to hear her thoughts on Furerkip. First, he says that he believes VE to be miller, but he then says that he's probably wrong. This coupled with the fact that he thinks Furerkip is scum makes me suspicious. On June 05 2012 23:11 ghost_403 wrote: @artanis: That's just not true; VE always dies in the first 72 hours of the game. No way he'll get checked. As far as Furer, there was a post or two of his that looked scummy rather than newbie town. I'll go back and find them in a bit. I can't wait for him to try to make some of Furer's posts look scummy. ##Vote: ghost_403 | ||
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ghost_403
United States1825 Posts
The fact that VE dies promptly in most games was a sarcastic remark based around the fact that in the games I've played against him, he tends to die rather quickly. Aperture Mafia springs to mind. @MrZentor: Another sarcastic remark on my part. I do believe VE's claim to be a miller, and my comment stating I was most likely wrong was not meant to be taken so seriously. Also, I'm still trying to figure out the logical leap from "ghost thinks someone might be scum" to "ghost must be scum, and should hence be lynched". @VE: I seem to have been absent because I've been absent. Work/life keeps me busy. Also, I don't see how I was "content to discuss it ad nauseum". I said I believed it, explained why, and left it at that. Okay, now to actually do something in this game. | ||
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Navillus
United States1188 Posts
Now looking at the votes on him I get suspicious, VE's vote which is now moved was very fast and didn't go on much, he basically read a couple of posts where artanis points this stuff out and says his meta is different and jumps on. This is suspicious but even more FOS: Mr.Zentor he has a couple posts about VE that don't indicate much then his first post where he says something solid is him jumping on ghost for 1. admitting that he is bad at reading VE which makes no sense and 2. for not following up on furer which I've mentioned. It just looks like Zentor isn't trying to talk about reads or cases, he just wanted to jump in and vote someone people were already suspicious of. Finally, Hyaach is just ringing all the wrong bells in my head, he has a few posts all talking about VE, they're confusing and most of them are him explaining this post - On June 05 2012 11:15 Hyaach wrote: I would let VE live for a day unless something really scummy comes out from his play. it takes huge balls on claim this early, be it fake/real and its not a fool proof plan imo mafia or town. Besides, from his claim, i would put all his analysis on a magnifying glass to be dismembered and examined piece by piece. which says nothing, it says that he doesn't want to lynch VE immediately which no one was suggesting then he says that the claim could be fake... or not! and that we should analyze VE, something he himself told us to do. This post isn't in itself that bad but it says nothing strong and he manages to post a fair amount after this without clarifying much or taking any kind of stance, so until a point where he does ##Vote: Hyaach | ||
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ghost_403
United States1825 Posts
Blazinghand's opening post from that game: On April 14 2012 08:46 Blazinghand wrote: That doesn't make his idea wrong though. Look, here's what's gonna happen D1: we'll be at lylo. Our cop needs to claim NOW, and get medic protection, and NOT call who he is checking. Scenario A (cop does not claim): We enter D1 and the mafia has possibly shot the cop. The cop can claim at this point and we have 2 confirmed town, or 1 confirmed town and 1 confirmed scum. If the cop got shot, though, we're flying blind. Scenario B (cop DOES claim): We enter D2 and the mafia cannot have shot the cop, because the medic protected him overnight. THE COP CANNOT HAVE BEEN SHOT, meaning we have 2 confirmed town, or 1 confirmed town and 1 confirmed scum. I think that even though it's gonna be LYLO tomorrow, the cop should claim, and the medic should just protect him. Two important things to notice:
This is directly opposed to his first post in TLM LI, where he gets right down to analyzing the scummier players in that game, and ignores game mechanics entirely. Compare these two posts to what he opened with in this game: On June 05 2012 07:43 Blazinghand wrote: Ah where would we be without a hilarious/bad VE claim? On a more serious note, given that he's either lying scum OR actually a miller, there's no reason for a DT to check him-- whether he's lying or telling the truth the result is the same. Personally, I think it's more like the first than the second. By the way, he rolled scum for the first post and vig for the second. His lack of pictures and posts could easily be attributed to him simply being busy, but I think that the time he spends discussing mechanics instead of play points to him rolling scum this game. | ||
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ghost_403
United States1825 Posts
##Vote Blazinghand at least until he starts playing like the townie blazinghand. | ||
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ghost_403
United States1825 Posts
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wherebugsgo
Japan10647 Posts
On June 06 2012 06:03 ghost_403 wrote: Will voters who vote in the improper format be notified in thread? no | ||
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ghost_403
United States1825 Posts
wbg doesn't love us. | ||
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wherebugsgo
Japan10647 Posts
If you're an observer and want the obs QT, PM me. | ||
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MrZentor
United States1648 Posts
Because Navillus accuses me of doing that, he picks somebody whom nobody has accused, regardless of how suspicious Hyaach actually is. (Hyaach seems to be a lot like furerkip, a bit anti town but not scummy.) In summary, he votes for somebody who isn't really suspicious, just so he himself doesn't look suspicious. Guilty much? | ||
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Blazinghand
United States25550 Posts
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VisceraEyes
United States21170 Posts
On June 06 2012 07:01 Blazinghand wrote: MrZ why don't you think I'm scum BH really? This is all you have to say to the accusations against you? | ||
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Blazinghand
United States25550 Posts
On June 06 2012 07:05 VisceraEyes wrote: BH really? This is all you have to say to the accusations against you? The accusations to me are "BH isn't hunting scum or pressuring anyone" which... well, it's actually true. I haven't been hunting scum or pressuring anyone. Although I personally know I'm town, I could see how you could make that meta argument (though you'll note that since my ban I haven't been swearing in games though so don't expect any of that.). The only way for me to exonerate myself is to find scum, so I'm gonna go do that. Or would you rather I waste everyone's time arguing about whether or not I should have been hunting scum during the first few posts in the game? I'm gonna go hunt scum. You've already voted for me, there's nothing more you can do to hurt me. | ||
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MrZentor
United States1648 Posts
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Blazinghand
United States25550 Posts
On June 06 2012 07:08 MrZentor wrote: I don't think I'll ever have an accurate read on you, Blazinghand, but I would be interested in you explaining why you haven't bothered to accuse anybody yet. See, that's funny, because I think your case against G_403 is scummy. I also think that this sentence you JUST SAID, this one right here, is the same one you call G_403 scummy for using: On June 06 2012 05:00 MrZentor wrote: First, he says that he believes VE to be miller, but he then says that he's probably wrong. This coupled with the fact that he thinks Furerkip is scum makes me suspicious. Isn't that interesting? G_403 and you both seem to be very unsure of yourselves reading VE and myself. Still, the Ghost waffling case is all very reasonable, not counting the fact that you've said the same thing: On June 06 2012 05:00 MrZentor wrote: I can't wait for him to try to make some of Furer's posts look scummy. ##Vote: ghost_403 What G_403 says here is null. Although there are scum who do this to delay, there are town players who say this before going to bed or whatever. MrZ quotes it like it's some sort of evidence then says "I can't wait" as though that's analysis, but don't be tricked! It's not! You see, leading up to this moment, Pandain and VE both pressured MrZ, and VE put a vote on G403: + Show Spoiler + On June 06 2012 01:30 Pandain wrote: I think Mr. Zentor is very suspicious, and should be looked at instead. He's offered very weak arguments, suggesting he does not want to force his opinion onto the town. He's offered vague statements that do not really put himself out there("a bit rash", "would probably", "I think, but we should") which do not prove him being mafia but merely cause me to be watchful. On June 06 2012 02:02 VisceraEyes wrote: I agree with your points on Zentor. I'm very interested to hear what else he has to say. I'm also suspicious of ghost. Again, very wishy-washy and very non-committal. Although he seems to be aware of what's happening, he's very absent. He claims to buy my claim, but is content to discuss it ad nauseum. On June 06 2012 03:33 VisceraEyes wrote: Yeah okay, that's fair I think. I haven't read the analysis in question or anything, but if what you're saying is true then I'm down with a ghost lynch. ##Vote: ghost_403 I think I should point out however that he could just be lazy townie in this instance, but based on what we've pointed out here I think he's got a good enough chance of flipping scum to lynch. Who else is down with a ghost lynch? On June 06 2012 03:34 Snarfs wrote: I agree that MrZentor and ghost are playing what I'd deem cautious. I'd really like to hear more from MrZentor though, as he seemed cautious even before the game started (asking wbg if he could be in the game, etc.) And of course MrZ doesn't have the balls to go after me. His natural response is to attack the guy who's got votes and FoSes on him, and try to dig up some vaguely scummy statements (That he himself has also made). "Now, perhaps G_403 is scum" Have you ever played with G_403? Here's a typical post of his from LI: On April 22 2012 08:46 ghost_403 wrote: @paq: Why do you care so much what I think about you? I'm not going to try and lynch you today, and I don't think that your alignment says anything about Mattchew. @marv: I agree with gonzaw. Stop giving us excuses and help us find scum. Pending the results of his usefulness, I think I'm not disinclined to lynching Marv today. He's always like this. His scum meta is to lurk a lot: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=309405&user=104946 G_403 is just being typical G_403 and MrZ had pressure on him and looked for an easy vote, which he thought would be G_403 and not me. He was wrong. ##vote: MrZentor Sup | ||
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